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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by dan Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:18 am

    1320z........

    hobbit,

    Yes, I guess I am attached to Jesus, especially if I think I am Jesus.  

    Oh, well, so much for paying attention.  

    I am attached to my family.  

    To be authentically human, one must have social attachments.  

    Most of my social attachments are towards Ron’s family.  

    There have been several conflicts between the two families.

    What I fail to understand is foot’s attachment to donny.  It seems to go over and above the call of duty.

    foot is one of those who helped to create donny...... donny has been his boy for many years.  They are practically family.  I understand family loyalty....... up to a point.  

    Even loyalty has its limits.  

    When I ask Princess, she suggests that there was the occasion where foot may have pulled the wrong lever, and now we’re stuck.

    Now we have a reprobate cousin.  

    donny has learned how to game the system, how to bluff his way through.  

    He is the playground bully.  

    donny has had his four years.  That is more than enough, in my personal opinion.  

    Would I let my personal antagonism toward donny stand in the way of Disclosure?  

    It’s possible.  

    Do the ends justify the means?  

    In the end, I agree with hobbit....... we have to be true to ourselves.  

    In the End, I’m going to have to be true to the possibility that I could be the Second Coming, and that donny is just the anteChrist.  I think he has served his purpose.  

    Yes, hobbit, even as a personalist, my loyalties are to the office of the Second Coming.  

    As far as I’ve been able to discern, the advent of the Spirit of Truth will be indistinguishable from the Second Coming.

    If someone has a better idea, I’ll be most receptive.  

    Similarly, my attachment to Jesus is as the holder of the office of the First Coming.

    That is the sense in which I refer to myself as a Jesus freak...... to distinguish myself from the bibliolaters.  


    I’m merely facing up to the fact that foot has laid down the gauntlet.  

    I’m responding in kind.  

    May the best gauntlet win.  


    1420.........

    Evidently foot’s🦶 loyalties lie with the President...... over and above any loyalty to the chick 🐥.

    That goes with his job description.  

    He has sworn an oath of allegiance.  But there are loyalties that go well beyond loyalty to one’s country.  

    President Donald Trump is being disloyal to his country.  He still should be impeached.  

    He has not been, only because the Republican Party has been disloyal.  

    But I would be the first to admit that, in these latter days, loyalties may easily be confused.  

    foot has enabled donny in his disloyalty.  donny’s disloyalty has been borderline treasonous.

    donny is acting as if he thought he was the Second Coming.  

    This does put foot in a difficult position.  

    But he doesn’t seem to mind........ full speed ahead......


    1550........

    The scary thing about donny in this situation is that he doesn’t believe in anything besides himself.  

    He is, at the least, a potential sociopath in the most powerful office on Earth.  

    All being enabled by foot.  

    The only question is whether chick 🐥 is an enabler of foot 🦶.  

    If the world actually is small, then I’m probably the one who set up this situation.  

    This situation is a trap for sociopaths with ambition.  

    It is a trap for the Antichrist.  

    It looks like we found our man.  

    Now what, pray tell?  

    Maybe we should check with the Bible....... eg. just google Antichrist.......

    I mean, google’s got to be good for something......

    Now, I’ve been suggesting that scientism is the Antichrist, in as much as it is the Grand Deception followed by the Great Apostasy.

    However, if God is a dramatist, then the Antichrist would also need to be personified.

    Donald Trump volunteered, more or less wittingly.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:19 am

    Dan,

    Is not the anti christ going to sway most persons to His side???

    Mr Trump cannot be the anti christ?

    Your friend Mr gates can be though, surely.

    The great lie that most are buying and following the piper over the cliff edge whilst wearing their masks is Gates eugenics led, with his gollum fauci at his side.


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    Post by dan Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:20 pm

    Poor hobbit,

    If you want to understand the plan of salvation, you need to understand the best possible world.  

    You need to understand that ultimately the Kingdom and the Truth are within.

    You are an anti vaxxer.  

    That seems to be your one basic truth.

    Yes, you take one thing that you can grasp, and then you try to bend the whole world to fit around that one fact.  

    With your tunnel vision, you are ready to go out and regiment the whole world to fit your vision.  

    In the hands of someone like Donald Trump, this could lead to great evil.  

    Try to think before you speak, hobbit.  

    With such a notion of truth, you are like a child playing with matches.  

    Truth could come and hit you over the head, and you would have no clue.

    For instance, what do you know about the history of vaccination, and where it fits in the history of medicine?

    Please do not use this space to spout your random and very confused thoughts.  

    Try to use this opportunity to broaden your perspective on the history of human affairs........ by a millimeter or two.  
    ............


    There are many, otherwise competent people, who suppose that Donald Trump is the Messiah...... and suppose that everyone opposed to him is in league with the devil.  

    Yes, many of us have become so desperate to be delivered from the chaos and confusion of these latter days that they will grasp at straws.  

    People who are drowning will grab onto almost any piece of flotsam within reach.  

    Trump is not the main culprit.  

    Scientism is the main culprit.  Trump understands that much, and he has latched onto that truth in order to game the entire system.  

    But he has no clue.  He sees the darkness, but he doesn’t know where to begin looking for the light.  

    All he has is his own ego, and an iota or two of information about the portals.  

    Donald mainly wanted to know if he could build hotels on the other side.  

    His understanding of the world does not go much beyond hotels.  That’s our President.  

    Yes, he has given the pot a couple of vigorous but random stirs.  

    And now he thinks he’s ready to explain the Eschaton to the world.  

    And Ron Pandolfi appears to be aiding and abetting him, making full use of the Princess’s alleged control over portals.  

    Is Ron aware of the trap?  That’s hard to say.  

    He does have Donald on the hook.  


    0250..........

    I don’t think any politician has a comfortable relationship with the truth.  

    Donald Trump has demonstrated a disastrous relationship with the truth.  

    Perhaps I should apologize for my association with Ron, given his alleged association with and avid support for Donald Trump.  

    How this situation could work out for the best, escapes me at the moment.  

    I will attempt to attend to my own business....... past associations not withstanding...... and puzzling though they might be.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:31 am

    Mr Trump builds golf courses as well.

    And You are quite correct that I abhor vaccines, they know where they can stick them things.

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    Post by dan Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:18 am

    1420z.........

    Ron remains adamant that Trump is to be the Disclosure President.  

    Donald plays the tribal card.  The jguy did, too.

    I don’t have to.  Final participation does have to take off from the remnants of Original participation.

    Biden is still likely to win.  

    Would that set back Disclosure?  

    That would push it forward to December.  

    Politicians have no choice but to bluff.  

    The Eschaton is no bluff.  

    If you can understand that computers are not conscious, you can understand the Eschaton.  

    If you can understand teleology, you can understand the Telos/Omega.   


    1500........

    I will not take that course if we cannot discuss cosmology, Princess.  
    By the same token, I will not support Trump if you and I cannot discuss tribalism.  

    No requirement

    I require philosophy, Princess.

    I enjoy philosophy

    Why don't we ever do it?  

    I work on it everyday

    How?
    Have you ever read my blog?

    No
    That's not philosophy

    Hmmm......... 🤔
    Then what is, pray tell?  
    Most students can finish school without ever taking a philosophy course.  

    This is criminal neglect on the part of the educational establishment.  

    The result is one of the default worldviews..... either modernism or a scriptural fundamentalism.  

    Buddhism is the only traditional teaching that smacks of philosophy.  

    In fact, Buddhism is composed of a very sophisticated philosophy.  

    Christianity is the only tradition that lends itself explicitly to personalism.



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    Post by dan Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:30 am

    1430z.........

    The fundamental implication or imputation of the BPWH is that the Natural world is a figment of our collective consciousness.  

    People seem relatively comfortable with the notion of a collective unconscious.  

    What is the collective consciousness?

    The world and mathematics are the two main aspects of the collective consciousness.  

    Language might be considered another aspect.  

    The collective consciousness is filler/glue that holds our individual consciousnesses together.  

    It is the conscious aspect of our entanglement.  

    By similar token, the collective unconscious is what’s on the other side of the collective consciousness.  

    In this case, portals are opened by disentanglement..... and a reentanglement with the other side.  

    In this case, both the CC and the CU are impersonal.  

    But, wait, I thought we were trying to get away from the impersonal?

    Ok, I misspoke........ they are both strictly interpersonal.  

    Are sunspots interpersonal?  Yes, and so is the Sun.  

    The Sun is the conscious manifestation of the Source.  

    How is the Sun powered?  

    It is powered by Maxwell’s demon operating in the quantum chaos on the other side.  

    Those demons might be considered the drones of the I Am...... they only have to be quasi intelligent...... really just bots 🤖..... quantum viruses 🦠?  

    We may be talking about the zero point energy problem.  

    The demons would be exploiting the Casimir effect....... or, at least, the analog thereof, on the other side.  


    1930........

    The assumption here is that there can only be one Source.  

    I have not attempted to justify that.  

    If there can be multiverses, why not multi sources..... inter dimensionally orthogonal to one another, as in an infinite dimensional Hilbert space?

    We could have multiple I Am’s emerging out of the primordial ‘quantum’ chaos....... but with each being logically constrained to produce a BPW, one could invoke the identity of indiscernibles.  

    There would at least have to be some sort of a barrier to prevent their merging.  

    Further, it is assumed that all subsequent personal emergence occurs in association with the primordial emergence.  

    With two persons, there must be a connection.  

    The sum of these interpersonal connections forms the basis for an interpersonal world.  

    I consider this basis be equivalent to the collective/cosmic  consciousness.  

    I don’t know at what point in this process there would emerge a collective unconscious.  The unconscious would, at first, logically be subsidiary to the assumed consciousness of the I Am.  

    Perhaps the cosmic potentiality could be the basis for the unconscious.  

    The actual emerges out of the potential.  

    Each bit of the actual trails its shadow of potentiality.  

    All of those shadows will be merged, ultimately..... just leaving room for an individual dream space and memory.  

    But I’m not sure we need to posit any memory in addition to the direct perception of the small world...... the implied omniscience being filtered or compartmented by various ad hoc means.  


    2100........

    At some point the Source goes into hiding, to be replaced by the Sun in the collective consciousness.  

    That cosmic Switcheroo might require just a bit of explanation.  

    At some point the night is split off from the day.  This would be an analogous development.  

    The solar eclipse is a re-enactment.  

    The dark of the Moon 🌚 represents the hidden Source.  

    The eclipse shadow piercing the surface of the Earth is fraught with symbolism.  It is certainly the royal road to astrology.  


    0210........

    The solar emergence coincides with emergence of ego consciousness...... beta consciousness in the nomenclature of Barfield.  

    The breakdown of the bicameral mind, according to Jaynes.  

    This might be related to the emergence of agriculture, historically..... and of the city state........ and of Monotheism.  

    The Olympiad and the Zodiad have more to do with the primordial Source....... somewhat ironically, perhaps.  The Zodiad is eclipsed by the Sun.  It lived on behind the shroud of astrology.  We’re talking Artemis, the goddess of the hunt and Moon....... sometimes associated with wells and springs.



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    Post by dan Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:26 am

    1330z.........

    So, it may be that the Western cannon was pointed backwards.  

    Plato got it backwards.......

    We’re not trying to get into the Sun...... we’re trying to get back in cave...... back into our primordial womb.  

    The Monad is the Great Mother.  

    We’re trying to find our way back to the aboriginal Dreamtime.  

    Back to Mount Olympus...... in the Moon shine.  

    We came out of the Dreamtime, when our dreams started to be lucid.  

    The I Am was the ‘first’ lucid dreamer....... in the Kingdom of the blind.......

    This also coincided with the emergence of agriculture.  

    We left the shaded forest and emerged into the Sun sunny.

    This was particularly the case in Egypt, with the emergence of Ra as the solar deity.  Ra displaced Osiris, god of the underworld.  

    Then there was Horus....... his right eye was the Sun, and left eye was the Moon.  


    1400.........

    The Sun represents monotheism.  The Moon...... polytheism.  

    The appearance of writing and of cities often coincided with the appearance of agriculture.



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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:33 am

    The Chicken is Blind. The Truth he has Declined. He has lost his Mind. Memory left Behind. The Vectors are Aligned. Of Failure he has Resigned. Great Leader he has Maligned. Disclosure has been Assigned.


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    Post by dan Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:01 am

    1300z........

    Hmmm 🤔.........

    Disclosure has been assigned to an undisclosed individual.

    Great Leader........

    foot has no clue that the Truth and the Kingdom are within.


    1950.........

    I don’t see that any politician is going to be spontaneously motivated to disclose the Eschaton.  

    The most we’ve got from donny, so far, is....... ha, ha, I know something you don’t know.  

    If he is defeated, he might use the Eschaton as an excuse to declare martial law....... and refuse to leave office.  This is the only eventuality that might lead to Disclosure, other than having his hand forced.  


    2050.........

    I’ve always assumed that there were thousands of insiders, who have been briefed up to a significant level on the phenomenology/eschatology problem.  

    And that these insiders were being kept in line by being privy to a consensual/reasonable disclosure timeline.  

    But the last four years have put this assumption to the test, as any sense of a deadline has been glossed over.  

    What could be the problem.......?

    1.)  There could be many fewer insiders than I’ve supposed.  

    2.)  It is more difficult blow the whistle on the coverup.  

    3.)  There is simply no audience for a radical Disclosure.  

    It could well be that all of the above factors are in play, and more, besides.  

    On the other hand, there is the underlying assumption that human history has been orchestrated in such a manner as to lead to the best possible overall result for all concerned, with the final, more populated stages weighing more heavily than the earlier stages.  

    This orchestration takes place beyond space and time..... in effect there have been aeons for planning, testing and implementing.  

    No agency or being has the ability to second guess the result.  

    All of us have been involved in this process.  

    And do keep in mind that we are all just One with the personal Source, in any case.

    This selfsame Source/Telos forms the core of each of our beings.  


    Am I any closer to explaining the Sun......... and every thing else?  

    One point is that if the Sun didn’t already exist, we would have had to invent it.  But it didn’t, so we did...... sub specie aeternitatis.

    The Sun provides a singular focus for our collective consciousness.  

    It is our global consensual target..... it is our universal calibration point.  

    How is it powered, if not by hydrogen fusion..... coming out of the Big Bang?

    What powers the I Am? Why is there something rather than nothing?



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    Post by hobbit Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:45 am

    There is a difference between nothing and no thing.

    And consciousness pervades this, multiple dimensions enable this.

    We and this planet and all We observe is just 3D.

    The sun is a transfer location where consciousness is been released into 4D, it's planets and their moons been geometric consequences of compression into 3D.

    Our eternal so called souls are in 5D, and occupy our heart location in the vehicles We call humans.

    I am Me as You are Me and We are all together....JL.


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    Post by dan Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:37 am

    1340z........

    hobbit,

    Consciousness pervades.......?

    That’s getting off on the wrong foot.  

    Sapience is equivalent to Being.  All being, potential and otherwise, arises through sapience.  

    What is left over is inchoate feeling...... feeling had by no one in particular...... particularity being in the province of sapience.  

    How does sapience account for the Sun?

    How does sapience account for metabolism?  

    How does sapience account for the conservation of energy?  

    Sapience requires a game...... games require rules.  Conservation laws provide those rules.  

    Who enforces the rules?  

    We do...... you and me...... mainly through our collective unconscious.  

    The paranormal proves the rules.  

    The paranormal is relegated mainly to the unconscious.  

    That is our policing action.  

    The game required an energy source........ what better than the Sun?  

    What else than the Sun....... hydrothermal vents?  

    What powers the Sun?  

    Necessity.  Where there’s a will, there’s a way.  

    The will powers itself...... bootstraps itself..... out of the Potentia....... the rest is the best possible world.  

    Nothing couldn’t have existed.  This is the only something that can exist, logically.  Get over it...... get used to it.  

    Other worlds..... mostly inferior worlds...... eek out a subsidiary existence...... on the margins...... call it the Hive, if you will.  


    1440.........

    The Sun is our mark of distinction.  

    The Sun shines so the Source can remain hidden....... until just about now.  

    The Sun is the coverup to our portal home...... providing a great deal of distraction.

    Very clever, huh?  

    donny is going to reveal that the Sun is fake news.

    chick 🐥 thinks he’s already squandered his credibility, when it comes to fake news.  donny places himself as the Source.  

    All fakery revolves around himself.  

    That is just the definition of the Antichrist.  

    Where is the Truth, donny?  

    donny is blinded by the light of his own self.  He cannot see his own shadow.  

    Within the shadow of history, j&c incarnate the Source/Telos.  

    You can’t see the shadow, if you can’t see the Source.  

    We have been snow blinded.  The smoke has gotten in our eyes.  

    The Moon has broken our hearts.  

    Yes, history is just the shadow of the Source.  It is our egos that cast that shadow.  

    Plato was right about that....... but he couldn’t understand the best possible shadow.  

    donny knows that the Antichrist is within all of us.  By instinct, he knows your Antichrist better than you do.  

    Within the shadow exists excess tension.  That tension powers all else...... the Sun is just the stand in.  

    It’s virtual particles....... the anti particles balance the particles, so it all works out in the wash.  

    Our anti selves balance our true selves.  

    What’s left over is just the I Am.

    The chick 🐥 will annihilate the anti chick 🐥.  

    So Buddha was right, after all....... all of this nothingness is just the veil of the Pearl of great price....... the dark Sun behind the Sun...... behind the Son.  

    We are babushka dolls.  


    1540........

    Creation is just the dressing of a vacuum diagram, plus the I Am.  

    There is the I Am and the I Am Not.  

    It works out in the wash........ we’re the wash.  


    1830..........

    All is illusion, concocted through the primordial I Am.  

    All of us reflect the I Am...... from within the shadow.  

    Only the I Am is eternal........ all the rest of us are temporal.  

    That kernel is just the core of each of us...... the Logos Spermatikos.  

    In the bright Sun, it’s not that easy to see it, but it’s always right under your nose.  


    2030........

    What about photosynthesis and visual perception?

    I guess I’d have to say that they are both direct..... unmediated by photons.  

    Ok, but why can’t we see in the dark?  

    We can’t see when we shut our eyes.  

    We have to differentiate between seeing and recognition.  

    Are plants recognizing the psychic tension in the Sun?

    That tension is converted to food.  

    The plants are just the mediators, as are the photons.  

    Nature is the show that maintains/conceals the virtuality of the world....... or something like that.  

    Nature is the dressing up of the vacuum loop..... of the bootstrap..... that is our world.  The cosmos is Nature’s cosmetic.  

    Ours is the best possible bootstrap..... the only possible.  


    2140........

    This is what Parmenides was on about....... he just didn’t have the benefit of the crutch of science....... with all its misplaced concreteness..... with its slightly premature theories of everything.  

    The Source may be seen through Nature, as through a glass, darkly.  

    Our psychic tensions don’t really power the Sun..... not directly.... they power Creation, through the auspices/meditation of the One.  

    One fine day we wake up and realize that we are all dangling over the abyss of the One.  

    But why can’t the game go on forever?  

    Because we’re too smart for that...... you can only fool some of the people all of the time........

    And we are suckers for a good story.  

    Are we too smart for our own good?

    It’s just that all good stories must come to an end. The Metanarrative is no exception.



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    1320z........

    Hopefully, we have some appreciation of metabolism..... why metabolism would be such a crucial feature of the BPW landscape.  

    But metabolism comes with plenty of idiosyncrasies.  Does each one need to be justified?  

    What is the air all about?  And why should we have to breathe it?   Why not settle for food and water, for instance?  Who thought oxygen would be such a good idea, especially when atoms don’t even exist?  

    To answer such questions, however, one would need a detailed understanding of metabolic systems, which would need to includeUs an understanding of possible alternatives.  

    Such studies seldom progress beyond the suggestion that silicon could be used as the basis of biochemistry, instead of carbon.  

    If there is to be the assemblage of biological parts, it is hard to even begin to imagine an alternative to biochemistry.  

    Why assembly?  Why organisms?  Why not just stick with virtual reality?

    Why mortality? Why natality? Why bother with biology?

    Can we imagine a history without individual life?

    Sapience appears to require complex social structures.  


    1510.........

    News flash....... will the discovery of phosphine in the atmosphere of Venus serve to disprove the BPWH........ https://www.wired.com/story/dr-phosphine-and-the-possibility-of-life-on-venus/
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    Most biologists would say that the main reason for mortality is to make evolution possible through the survival of the fittest.  

    In the best possible world, the modification of species would be ancillary, at best.  

    I would suggest that the main reason for mortality is to prevent the ossification that is often correlated with longevity.  

    Mortality introduces a strongly dynamic element into society, translating into a more robust Metanarrative.  

    Can we imagine an alternative reproduction without embryology?

    The point of Creation is to stand out from Eternity.  Immortality would do very little to that effect.  

    This is where the action is, drama 🎭 lovers 💗.

    Mortality provides the only proper setting for the Eschaton.  

    If metabolism is so important, why not reify the atoms?  

    Well, the atoms would need to be able to jump through the hoop, at the End.  


    Frankly, I’m skeptical that metabolism would even work without strong quantum effects.  Those quantum effects tend toward the regime of immaterialism.  

    I believe that it may work the other way around...... it is the regimen of biological metabolism that enforces the rules of chemistry.  

    I’m suggesting that there must be a hidden hand to sort all the conflicting chemical pathways.  

    I’m not aware of any attempts to model biological efficiencies, starting from basic laws of physics.  Biochemistry floats very precariously on any underlying regime of physics.  It truly is an emergent field, all unto itself.  

    The idea that chemistry is explained by physics is just another outstanding promissory note, wracked up, over the years, on behalf of scientific materialism.  Some day those notes will come due.  

    That life and mind will not turn out to be strongly emergent properties is wishful thinking..... to put it mildly....... biology being irreducibly teleological.  

    Whatever derivative ontological status we may choose to ascribe to atoms will ultimately derive from our understanding of the Monad, and the degree to which they lend coherence to our understanding of the best possible world.  

    Scientific materialism is, itself, a very powerful version of monism, and should be seen as the necessary logical precursor of immaterial monism.  

    Another thought is that there could be a resonance phenomenon between the sapient participants.  This would serve to keep the various background phenomena harmonized.  This is how glitches in the matrix can be smoothed out.  This would also fill in the individual blind spots.  

    This could also be likened to constructive interference.  Our bodies would be the tuning that need to be synchronized.  Atomic phenomena would be one result of the constructive interference.  

    There is also an associated entanglement phenomenon. The wiring of the Earth has also to do with the incipient openings, as a resonant process.



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    OMF just isn’t as entertaining without the smelly goat around.

    Just a random observation.
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    This might be interesting to some.



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    This should be interesting to ALL.

    https://www.thriveon.com/?oprid=1903&ref=104361

    Consciousness has patterns, it is operating at all scale to the fibonacci sequence, and We can have our rightful world, not this corrupt sick world of the few controlling the many, but where consciousness will and can provide whatever is desired by all, with no limits, a garden of eden no matter the numbers involved.

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:14 am

    1310z........

    Of course, besides the Sun, as a stand in for the Source, we also have the alleged Big Bang.  With such models, scientific materialism has paved the way for the understanding of immaterial monism.


    1840.......

    Compared with the Big Bang, postulating an I Am is a very modest conjecture.  

    The I Am, bootstrapping itself out of the primordial quantum chaos, using the Ouroboric, closed time like curve (CTC).  

    What could be more modest than to postulate a minimally observable universe/world?


    2200.........

    This is what is funny about the Singularity hypothesis.......

    Once computers reach the level of sapience, it is assumed that they will be able to bootstrap themselves into cosmic intelligence.  

    But wait, humans are already at that level, and we are already in the business of bootstrapping ourselves.  

    The problem is that we are thinking of intelligence as quantifiable...... you know, intelligence quotient, etc.  

    All we have to do is add more transistors...... intelligence goes to infinity, just like God...... omniscience.  

    It does not seem to have occurred to anyone that personal intelligence might have more to with quality than quantity.  

    With technology we have the reign of quantity.  

    With technology, we have mass production.  

    With persons, we have mass reproduction.  

    What are the limits of our human potential?  

    What are the limits of the I Am?  

    This is the point at which we run into humanistic v. transpersonal psychology.  

    The humanistic version suggests species limits.

    The transpersonal suggests none such.

    And we also have humanism v. transhumanism.  

    Transhumanism is almost always couched in terms of artificial intelligence........ machine evolution supplanting biological evolution.  

    Personalism and the best possible world are, by definition, non evolutionary.  

    Let’s just define sapience as the cosmic singularity.  

    History is littered with attempts to keep people in their place..... down on the farm.   That’s just the definition of the agricultural revolution...... not to mention the industrial revolution.  


    2300.........

    Once we understand that time is subjective, we can throw evolution right out the window.  

    All we have to do is plug into Eternity....... evolution becomes a joke.  

    But wait, aren’t there, at least two dimensions of time...... the phenomenal and the logical.  

    The phenomenal dimension is limited, but what about the logical?  

    This is asking about the shape of the Logos.  

    Could the Logos be open ended?  

    What about the Logos Spermatikos?  


    0100..........

    The supposition of personalism is that the Logos is closely associated with love, or agape, if you will.

    Are there species of agape? That seems almost to be an oxymoron.

    Agape is the Alpha and Omega of the Logos.

    This is the long and short of it. No?

    If I were smart, I’d quit while I was ahead.



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    1330z..........

    So, is this the end of the story.......?  It’s the end and the beginning.  

    But there is a lot that’s got to happen in between.  

    Disclosure has to happen.  

    Agape has to happen?  

    Agape has never not been happening.  

    The is a strong sense in which agape is the only thing that has ever happened.  

    Agape is strong....... it casts a strong shadow.  

    You can run from agape, but you cannot hide.  

    The light is strong.  We build fortifications to keep out the light.  

    Science is such a fortification.  

    We were seduced into building science....... science was choreographed into the BPW.  

    Science turns out to be a central feature of the BPW.  

    It is our gateway to Monism.  

    Yes, science was necessary to defeat paganism...... polytheism.  

    Science almost defeated trinitarianism, but not quite.  

    Science almost defeated history, but not quite.  

    Trinitarianism is built into history...... history is built around trinitarianism.  

    Trinitarianism is the core story of history.  

    In order to understand history, you have to understand agape.  

    History is the story of agape.  

    Donald Trump is the antagonist of history.  

    The Trinity is the protagonist.  

    Agape is nothing without Truth.  

    Agape is the love of Truth....... Truth being love, in the End...... but only in the End.  This is the whole motive of history.  

    In the age of science, agape included a love of science....... and it still does, as a kind of nostalgia.  

    Philosophia makes up almost half of agape.   That has to do with a love of sapience........ of the cosmic Self.  

    This is a significant aspect of the love of Source/Telos.  

    Sapience/agape is the cosmic glue...... get over it, get used to it.  


    1430........

    So why can we be so easily mistaken for animals?  

    That mistake was the key feature of the scientific revolution.  

    The Unity of Nature is a key aspect of Monism.  

    The only question is whether mind is in Nature, or Nature is in mind.  

    In retrospect, that will be an easy question to answer........ but only in retrospect.  

    That so many held out for so long with artificial intelligence is a bit of a mystery....... but there you have it.  

    That was the only alternative to the Eschaton...... we hung on to that straw for dear life.  

    Poor foot....... does he really have to go down with the ship?  

    Somebody has to.  

    Just as somebody’s got to be the Antichrist....... that’s personalism for you....... in all its gory detail.  

    I’ve said that the soul is our window on Eternity........ it is also our window on Infinity....... on the Transcendent.  

    This window is gratis our social sapience...... you don’t want to leave home without it.  

    Well, we did leave home....... and we have hung on to our social sapience by a thread 🧵 that we call the internet.  

    Yes, the soul is universal...... just as is agape.  

    The soul puts us at one with God, and puts God at one with the cosmos.  

    Does that set us apart....... from Nature?

    Nature is an aspect of the Logos.  

    We are at one with the Logos Spermatikos.  

    We are the Logos Spermatikos.  

    Nature is the flower.  

    Yes, part of us is part of the flower........ but only a part of us.  

    We are not one with Nature.  We are into the transcendental mode of being.  

    Nature itself is not transcendental?  

    That is a question.  

    I have been saying that everything is a portal....... everything is archetypal, at least in part.  


    2300........

    By saying everything is a portal, I’m saying that everything is a microcosm....... everything provides a window on Eternity.  

    You can’t understand one thing without understanding everything.  

    Surely there are some conglomerations that come about by happenstance..... a particular mud puddle, for instance...... a spilt glass of milk....... a tree falling in a forest......

    I guess I’m saying that existence is relative.  Some things are more real than others, and the ultimate reality is agape.  Everything that exists, shares in agape, somehow.  

    Many things seem only to be obstacles to agape.  There is a sense in which Creation is an obstacle course.  Every life appears to be an obstacle course....... and we look for love in all the wrong places.  

    But in the game of love, the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.  

    Every obstacle is crucial to setting up these transpositions.  Every transposition is essential to the fabric of love........ the best possible tapestry. Yes, that does require a certain amount of faith.



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    1340z........

    Yes, everything is a microcosm, but not in and of itself.  

    What about the totemic/animistic side of Nature?  

    Do I not subscribe to panentheism?

    I have said that nothing exists without the I Am.  

    That’s not completely true.  

    There is a primordial sensorium, of some sort, but there would be a minimal distinction between the sensed and the sensor.  

    I was going to say that there could exist a phantasmagoria, but that may be saying too much.  


    1430...........

    The I Am is the primordial observer.  I have suggested that it emerges out of a primordial Olympiad/Zodiad...... sapience being irreducibly social.  

    Strictly speaking, then, the I Am is a group phenomenon.  

    The Logos Spermatikos is the group genius.  

    I have little idea of what foot is on about.  
    .............

    ‘Before’ the I Am group...... speaking of what was logically prior...... there would have been individual flashes of sentience...... with little distinction between the sensed and the sensor.  

    And what about the Potentia?  Is that not the Logos Spermatikos (LS)...... also being the group genius...... the seed of the BPW?  


    1630..........

    It may not be easy to distinguish the Logos or the LS from the Potentia.  

    Is the Potentia personal?  The Logos/LS is the core of personhood.  

    A person is the incarnation of the Logos...... assuming they are part of a group.  

    Have I set aside the notion of multiple personalities?  

    I’m not sure that we can, primordially, distinguish between the internal and external.  

    Occam’s razor would suggest that we go with the internal group or MPD, but there may be scant distinction, ontologically.  

    It’s important to know if there can be more than one of these initiations/‘incarnations’.  

    The Multiverse theory presupposes multiple Big Bangs.  

    Similarly, we have the many worlds interpretation (MWI) of quantum theory.  


    2030..........

    I’m partial to thinking that there may be many worlds, but that the Earth may represent a special nexus of or in interpersonal space.  

    Ours would be the maximal cosmic commons....... the meeting point of 10^10 minds, which is near the maximum feasible for a personal world, which all worlds must be, in the end.

    And it’s occurring to me that the historical and logical dimensions of time could have a considerable overlap.  

    In other words, the discovery and invention of our world could go hand in hand........ particularly if we include teleology.  

    For instance, time is the dimension through which the Alpha and the Omega become harmonized.  

    No, God doesn’t have to put all her eggs in one basket, but there would be a biggest basket 🧺, the one that you would be watching extra carefully, despite all the appearances to the contrary.  

    The myth of the only son may not just be a myth, in other words.  

    The overlapping of the phenomenal and the logical might help to restore some semblance of free will.



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    Post by Foot Mann Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:52 am

    The Chicken thinks that he is Free. But he is not a Queen or Bee. No longer can he See. He really should drink Tea.
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    Post by dan Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:48 am

    1350z.............

    foot 🦶 assures me that this was English Breakfast tea ☕.  

    Academia is going wild for multiverses........ this is the last hurrah for secular humanism.  

    Yes, it is a left wing conspiracy...... along with PETA....... very sinister.  

    chick 🐥 has always suspected that Q was a vent hole for the BPW, but now it is confirmed...... in case you had a doubt.  

    If donny thinks that chick supports the Antichrist, however....... he might have another think 🤔 coming.  

    Do I support the NWO and the UN?  

    Do I support the Monad?  

    I’m doubtful that the Monad really needs my support...... but if it’s true that the logical overlaps the phenomenal, we might have to revisit that.  

    Does a mud puddle incarnate the Trinity?  

    I wouldn’t necessarily bet against it.  I’d want to check out the context, first.  

    So what else is new?  

    I asked foot if he was getting desperate.  

    Well, understand that foot is a desperado...... there but by.......


    1440...........

    Yes, Virginia, there are many worlds, but they’re not out there....... they’re in here.  

    I’m supposed to talk to joe about disclosure.  His body went missing for a few days...... or maybe it was joe who went missing.  

    I’m reluctant.  joe is not a fan of the small world.  I wouldn’t want to mislead him otherwise.  

    What is out there?  Out there is a phantasmagoria.  It keeps us on the streets.  

    There are folks who game this system.  I’m not sure that is an honorable pastime...... but I guess someone has to do it.  Some over do it.  

    Is chick not gaming the system? It’s pretty minimal.



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    1430.........

    If space and time are not absolutes, then it is agape that holds the world together....... provides the frame.  

    Even those who accepted Newtonian space and time felt that they needed an aether to frame/propagate the electromagnetic/gravitational fields.  


    0100.........

    If we follow the MPD/DID model of the I Am, the Olympiad/Zodiad are all contained within the primordial mind field, along with all subsequent persons.  

    There would then be a single cosmic mind field enveloping all of us.  This field could be similar to the aether.  It could have properties similar to Nature.  

    This could be the fifth element, and be the field that DMT taps us into.  

    It is similar to the Potentia.  

    It includes the background or the ground of Being.  

    Nature and the logical dimension of time would be the conscious aspect of this field.  The Potentia would be its unconscious aspect.  

    This is the ocean on which individual persons float....... immersed in Nature. This is our interpersonal window on Eternity.



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    Post by hobbit Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:38 am

    Dan,

    What has happened ????
    I totally agree with You???

    Love( agape) is the aether ( consciousness)

    It is what everything in 3D is made of and is surrounded by at all scale.

    And little poor hobbit is able to be at one with it, maybe I simply produce far too much DMT of My own?

    Hobbit in shock and admiration of You
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    Post by hobbit Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:48 am

    To those who may have influence and like poetry.


    https://dailysoundandfury.com/must-read-pity-the-nation-a-visionary-poem-by-100-year-old-poet-lawrence-ferlinghetti/

    It applies to all nations presently especially America.

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    Post by dan Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:25 am

    1230z........

    hobbit,

    Thank you.   Yes, there may have been a breakthrough.  

    Don’t hold your breath. I don’t think the deus ex machina of an invasion from space is going to save this show, this isn’t Greek theater, although it is a tragedy. No, we’re going to have to do this ourselves.
    Well, yes and yes....... there will be an invasion from inner space.  

    My strategy for constructing the BPW has been to start first with the biggest problem........ which usually is to explain the Sun and photosynthesis.  

    One can explain the Sun without the Sun, and photosynthesis without the photons, but it’s not so easy to explain both, together.

    You have to keep remembering that it’s all a dream....... The Dream!  

    Who’s Dream is it?  

    It’s all of our Dream...... the collective Consciousness...... the Aether...... the Quintessence...... the Ambrosia of the gods.  If you’ve ever had an Ambrosia burger 🍔 at the Nepenthe Inn, you’ll know whereof I speak.  

    Yes, we drink the Nepenthe from the River Lethe...... we drink the cool aid of scientific materialism.  

    It keeps us all down on the farm.  

    Yes, the bullies, like Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin have drunk from the River Mnemosyne, under the auspices of the Princess 👸.  

    But the Princess has had her own version of Lethe.  

    It’s all part of the Choreography of the collective Dream....... from which we are all about to awaken....... hello, Eschaton.......
    Here comes the sun, and I say
    It's all right
    Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
    Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here


    1340.........

    How much of this Choreography includes the election 🗳?  

    How much includes the passing of RBG?  

    Maybe we’re about to find out.  

    Is donny about to get backed onto the ropes?  

    Will he go for the nuclear ☢ option...... cosmic bully that he is?  

    And what will be the nuclear option?  

    Will it be a significant piece of the Eschaton?  

    But, wait, chick 🐥 thought that Disclosure had to be a package 📦 deal.  

    There is no piece of the cosmic Trigger.......
    On the chat screen preceding the event, there were MAGA people and QAnon people, and people who had joined mostly because Don Jr. had promised to ask his dad about extraterrestrials (“To think that we could be seeing the truth about aliens in 45 minutes blows my mind,” one user wrote).
    Hmmm 🤔..........


    1440.........

    So, this is my conceptual breakthrough.........

    When we look at Nature, we are looking at logic.  The phenomenal world floats on Nature.  

    hobbit can see this with his Uncle Fibonacci...... nature floats on mathematics, and consciousness floats on Nature.  

    Put it all together........ consciousness and the unconscious, and it all makes up the best possible world.  

    Does this put the Sun sunny and photosynthesis in their place?

    I believe that it does.  

    So, yes, the confusion was over the fact that, with Nature, we become conscious of the unconscious.  

    When we dig up a fossil, we are digging up a piece of the Akashic record...... which includes the logical dimension of our Logos.

    It is with Ayahuasca...... with Ayahuasca we are spelunking into the unconscious...... into the geometry and botany of the Unconscious.  

    Many tea drinkers come back with the notion that our lived lives...... the phenomenal realm is something very superficial...... this is the pantheism...... the impersonalism of the mystics...... this is Chivo.... this is the bguy.  

    But then along came the jguy........

    What did the jguy do........?

    He managed to get his little hiney nailed.  

    So what?

    Well, drama 🎭 lovers 💗, the rest is history.  

    And that is no cliché.    

    Stop 🛑 and think 🤔 about it.  

    The jguy invented History by inventing the Eschaton.  

    That’s all.  Now we have the Metanarrative.  

    Wait, didn’t Zoroaster invent the Metanarrative?  

    Well, ok, but, you’ll have to admit...... the jguy sorta nailed it.  

    For those of you with difficulty understanding the jguy...... the chick 🐥 got his little hiney tacked onto the tail end of the Metanarrative...... so there..... nyah, nyah.... told you so.  


    1840.........

    The other day, foot mentioned the vent hole....... something about Disclosure.  

    Well, the Sun is the vent hole for the history of the Coverup...... it’s where we let off the steam of our captivity...... as we are kept under the thumb of science and religion.  Our psychic repression fuels ⛽ photosynthesis.  We get to see some of that with Ayahuasca.  Us, physicists, we all always have to try to conserve energy, somehow, even if we have to invent a new particle or dark energy or something.  


    1950........

    So we are squirrels 🐿 running in a squirrel cage and powering our own sunlamp...... for our virtual reality...... why not?

    Physicists don’t have to worry about why there is something rather than nothing....... all we have to do is invent a little anti-something to go with it...... anyone for an Antichrist?  



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