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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

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The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

First topic message reminder :

I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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Post by Cuan Scott Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:35 pm

El Chivo,

Me thinks that despite your opinions on Gnostics, Eschatologists, Rumi and Potus, goats, -  noisy or quiet ones, are kind souls.. Smile

Goats are great climbers so I understand your desire to linger around Cold Mountain like Alex Honnold did at El Capitan.

All that said, a question...

How does Henry James sit on the List?

I think in a 'kind' of Goat way, you are  Wink

U,

Didn't George Carlin talk of praying to Joe Pesci?
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Post by BewilderedBird Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:39 pm

I don't have an opinion CS on James, but I love Carlin.


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Post by dan Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:01 am

If U wants to take up space, he is invited to do so on his own thread.
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Lachman speaks often of the perennial philosophy that is alleged to provide the common core of the various traditions.  

In my own estimation, this core is necessarily ill-defined.  

Let’s take a closer look.........

Ok, we have Neoplatonism and a universal transcendentalism, with the Parmenidean One lying at the center.  

This, of course, leaves out Buddhism........ with the none at the center...... instead of the whole, we have the hole 🕳....... the Abyss.  

Calling it an Abyss, though is to personify it in a negative sort of way....... a via negativa, of sorts.  

An infinity of empty space is an abyss, but it does not capture the abyss of the psyche.......... the dark night of the soul.  

Which is more intimidating?  

With the One or the Abyss, there is something transpersonal.  

With the technological Singularity, we have something Transhuman.

Short of all that, we simply have that life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe.  


1430.........

This existential cri-de-coeur makes way for the plethora of postmodern pluralisms........ cynicisms.



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Post by BewilderedBird Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:24 am

Sayings of Joshu 81

Joshu also said: "Daruma said, 'Those who are outside attain the skin. Those who are inside attain the bones.' Tell me, the one who is even more inside, what does he gain?"

A monk asked, "Would it not be reasonable to say that he gains the marrow?"

Joshu said, "Just get to the skin. At my place I am not concerned about the marrow."

The monk asked, "What is the marrow?"

Joshu said, "In this way you will not even get to the skin."
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Post by dan Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:56 am

Looking for Joshu 81, I came to 84 Baso.......
The light which falls on us is not our accomplishment. It does not belong to us. But if the world was empty of practitioners, where would the light fall?
 One might wonder........

Evidently the light is not impersonal, rather it is interpersonal.  

Such an observation positively make Buddhism warm and fuzzy 🥰.



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Post by BewilderedBird Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:20 am

Joshu wasn’t a Buddhist.

They pierced themselves and thus Buddhism.

What leaks out of these ones is their essence.

I took notice of Joshu.

The peculiar way the Zen talk and live resonated.

In our current dualistic mind, zen is maybe what comes next for us.

Yuh wouldn’t be a robot, you just wouldn’t worry about nonsense.

Some have written the marrow of zen is arriving.

But I don’t think you ever arrive.

Cause you can’t ever leave awareness.

An always on feature.

A light you can’t ever turn off.

That is interesting.

We wait for heaven or apocalypse, while we are aware.

If you were god, you would laugh.

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Post by BewilderedBird Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:34 am

The core of this guy Zhouzhou’s teaching is there is no divine holy truth to learn or know.

There is this world.

Unless one ceases making distinctions, they can not help themselves.

Joshu didn’t give me anything or teach me, but pointed me to that.

You are already this.

Once you realize this, you can expand out to fill all space in 10 directions.
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Post by dan Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:25 pm

This is to say, with analytic philosophers, that metaphysics is a disease of language.  

Some of them took up the quixotic challenge of inventing a disease free language...... to little avail.  

The Zen response is to forego language.

To curtail language is to go against human nature.

It is to such ends that it is considered impolite to speak of religion or politics to strangers.



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Post by BewilderedBird Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:36 pm

Who can really trust anything they think?
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Post by dan Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:54 am

1300z............

I'm reading Dark Star Rising...... about the political use of chaos and and magic, particularly in the rise of Putin and Trump.  

Do I wish to continue to be a party to that process?



1420.........

Behind the magician 🎩 is the 🐇 🕳

Putin and Trump are no exceptions.  

Practicing those arts in secret is black magic....... voodoo.  

Revelation/Disclosure is about coming into the light.  

Go toward the light.........


1520.........

Let 10^10 flowers 💐 bloom.

Let my people go, Princess 👸.


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Post by 99 Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:37 am

That's fascinating Dan. I'm going to buy this book for my library.

As for myself, it's always been...

Ask and you shall receive

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye. shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh. findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Matthew 7:7–8

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Post by dan Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:46 pm

It only required a modicum of hesitation on my part, coming into the election, for me to be relieved of my official disclosure duties, whatever those may have been.

So I guess I can just go back to being chicken little........
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Post by 99 Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:56 pm

Don't lose hope Dan; think positive! We don't know yet where Biden stands on Disclosure in general and he may be a good friend of John Podesta.

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Post by BewilderedBird Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:59 pm

dan wrote:It only required a modicum of hesitation on my part, coming into the election, for me to be relieved of my official disclosure duties, whatever those may have been.  

So I guess I can just go back to being chicken little........  

I generally don’t like people with a cause.

But just being yourself, who you are now, is always the best most authentic way.

You were not given nor relieved of anything really.

Why not just relax and take er easy until you shuffle out of life?

It doesn’t mean anything more than it does.

What others take as meaning from ones actions aren’t our concern or burden.

Their reactions are theirs.
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Post by U Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:18 pm

99 wrote:Don't lose hope Dan; think positive! We don't know yet where Biden stands on Disclosure in general and he may be a good friend of John Podesta.

Yeah, I bet he is.
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Post by dan Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:34 pm

I don’t know that my goddaughter is able to wrap her head around the BPW.

It’s not as easy as it sounds. There are paradoxes. I don’t have them all solved.

I have a better understanding of how the One becomes many, than I do of the many becoming One..... but that’s what it says on the coins.
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Post by 99 Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:24 pm

I think Catholics have a good understanding of how the many become One because we are taught to embrace that concept right from the get/go.

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Post by BewilderedBird Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:34 pm

I don’t think any religious have any idea what non conceptual thinking is unless they trip on it, which they always try to reconcile to concepts.

Conceptual thinking about Oneness is not oneness.

Oneness is experienced when the default mode network in your brain is quiet, your ego thinking about thinking.

One aspect of the mind is to delineate experience into conceptually separate objects in order to be able to think about them and assign them qualities. This ability to abstract reality into thoughts is incredibly useful.

Oneness is not a concept.

It isn’t even oneness.

It is just a quieting of the mind.

No concepts.

We don’t have anything then to talk about as it can’t be talked about.

So if awareness isn’t before concepts, what to do?

You’re not looking for a PhD, you’re trying to get back into Kindergarten.

I love how this shortcuts all bullshit.

People are just thinking about thinking mostly.

A religion is an exaggeration of being.

Until you realize before concepts is your default, you look for the right book or talk or thoughts.

No one ever resolves anything.

That’s kind of incredible.

And it shows how full of crap we all are.
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Post by dan Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:13 am

0810z.........

Is there any end of Trump that justifies his means...... his meanness?

Anything is possible...... just don’t ask me to carry his water.

One election is a fluke...... two elections is a monstrosity.

It would be carrying a joke much too far.

One portal could easily be worth twenty viruses....... when it comes to Disclosure.  If my goddaughter cannot understand..... then so be it.  But I will not be a party to it.

As for Ron...... I won’t go there....... beyond the pale..... of any possible Truth.  


1040.........

Did I allow myself to be trapped?  

Up to a point, I will go anywhere.  

There are limits.  

Who set the trap?  

Disclosure is not over.  


1440........

Will Truth win....... will love win?  Let there be no doubt.  

But it has been a long and meandering path...... to the End of our Sojourn.  

With postmodernism, the dawn mist sets in.

The cat’s away..... the mice do play...... in the pre-dawn mist.  

Play away........

Was there ever a perennial wisdom?

I think there was...... Parmenides was the first in recorded history to resurrect it.

Plato confused it....... but there was still something left...... the Good.

Zoroaster and Abraham attempted to personify it.

The jguy nailed it.



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Post by 99 Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:08 am

It's unfortunate that even if donny loses this upcoming election, he can still run again.

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Post by 99 Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:03 am

Dan, can you be more specific on what you mean by the term "Disclosure"?

Are you referring to "the secrets of the universe" when you use that term?

And what about UFOs? Is that just something that's inclusive in your definition of "Disclosure"?
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Post by dan Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:12 am

99,

Disclosure = Revelation.

Revelation reveals the Source = Telos..... of Creation.  

Alpha = Omega = the jguy....... if we have to pin the tail on the donkey.  

Buddha was the cosmic Iconoclast...... just to keep us honest.  

All Being is relational...... there is no Being unto itself, in other words.

There can be no Creator without a Creation....... it’s as simple as that.

We are God’s playmates...... he is ours.  

The best possible world = the only possible world.......

It is coherent, personal and finite...... it is geocentric, anthropocentric and Christocentric....... get over it...... get used to it.

It encompasses the best possible Metanarrative, and we are about to see how the Story ends.



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Post by 99 Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:26 am

Dan wrote:Disclosure = Revelation.

Revelation reveals the Source = Telos..... of Creation.

Alpha = Omega = the jguy....... if we have to pin the tail on the donkey.

Then why not just call it "Revelation"?
Using the term "Disclosure" in a forum that also focuses sometimes on Ufology can be confusing to uninformed viewers here.
"Disclosure" is a term that's usually used in reference to gov't release of information they have on UFOs that they are keeping from the public.

I know what you mean by "Disclosure" but rest assured, any newbies would be confused by your use of that term.... at least at first.
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Post by dan Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:29 am

99,

I’m not a stickler for words.  

I’m a stickler for Logos = God = Love....... and that’s just about it.

Well, ok........ God = 10^10 persons in one substance...... consciousness..... Agape....... the I Am...... primordially.  

The Princess 👸 would never let her mind wander so far.  

Hers was to mind the portal....... and she does...... waiting for the cosmic trigger.  

The chick 🐥 may or may not be the trigger, but those of us, here, have front row seats.



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Post by 99 Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:37 am

dan wrote:It encompasses the best possible Metanarrative, and we are about to see how the Story ends.

I agree... things are happening now that seem to point into that direction. Most are in denial about this but it's something that can't be ignored.

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