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Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

First topic message reminder :

I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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Post by hobbit Sun May 03, 2020 1:35 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52517797

Do not mention 4+1 zer gestapo will eliminate this forum.

Anyone that does not CONFORM to the states narrative vill not be allowed to be heard.


LAND OF THE FREE....MY ARSE.


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Post by hobbit Sun May 03, 2020 1:51 am

https://www.naturalnews.com/hrr/mp3/HRR-2020-5-01-big-tech-coronavirus-censorship-is-an-assault.mp3
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Post by hobbit Sun May 03, 2020 2:02 am



Won't get fooled again, by the WHO.

no surprise they played after 9/11, I bet you LOVE the WHO

Who the fuck is the who?????

Who You think your messing with..... who.

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Post by BewilderedBird Sun May 03, 2020 2:56 am

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Parmenides

Parmenides basic thing was looking into the nature of being.

To them the rational mind was the gift of the goddess.

Infallible.

He said don’t trust the senses.

Nothing is moving and it is all unchanging one thing.

The goddess describes the error in mortals naming opposites and she warns going beyond .

What he meant is not understood or agreed on.

He hints at the value of intuitive knowing.

Contradictions and riddles in his writing.

I think I know what the goddess was warning us about. Going down the rabbit hole, could lead to the danger of infinite regression.

Lewis Carroll warns of this madness.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_regress

Parmenides poem talks of being initiated by the Night.

He also had the concept of to be or not to be.

The goddess warns us in the poem.

We only have fragments of this one poem he wrote about the nature of being.

Plato seems to have been playing around and turning their arguments around in his dialogues.

More hints and riddles.

You know what’s funny, I described to Dan my experiences of coming upon the gates of night and day guarded by serpents, dragons.

A human psychic right of passage it seems.

I never read these presocratics before I started to go with the flow.

But I intuited similar themes and images.

Evidence for me Jung was onto the big show.

The first part of the poem is mythopoetic and describes how immortals take us over the abyss.

Then he gives his rational arguments in Reality section then an Opinion section.

I described the gates in the poem as also being about the day and night.

These common images and synchronicities might mean it has to be one whole monad.

We don’t just get the answers anymore.

We have to use our intellect and intuition to work it out on our own.

More hints to us suggesting we be on our guard and not be misled by senses and appearances.

Fun stuff.

Similar themes related to Hermès Thrice Great in hermetic writing.

“While All is in The All, it is equally true that The All is in All."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All

Just sharing what pops up.

Some strong pings like the fast radio bursts just observed in the Milky Way.

My senses are tingling.
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Post by dan Sun May 03, 2020 4:59 am

1200z........

We thank Chivo for pointing to The All...... not to be confused with All...... I’ll need to do the homework.

The Princess comes to us from that neck of the woods.  Imagine the gic being willing to share her with us....... a rare bird alert.  This time around, she had a foot on the ground...... maybe even two.  

Then imagine that both foot and donny were blindsided by wuhan.  It split the difference...... right down the middle.  The strike zone was rather obvious..... certainly in retrospect, which is the only spect that counts.  

wuhan may send donny to the sidelines....... along with a few other tin horns, who got their horns stuck in the rabbit hole 🕳...... my aching head.  

Our cow 🐄 is dead..... we don’t need donny’s bull.  donny got way behind on his homework 📚...... not realizing that he is the antechrist.  He was the square peg in the round hole 🕳.  

Pre-established harmony is too easy..... it is the woof without the warp, which was beyond the whoK 🦉 pay grade...... mesmerized by Nam.

It is like pre-stressed concrete.

In effect, the universe is partially [sic] existent on the Mental plane, and we may in fact all be parts of The All's psychological makeup, representing parts of The All in its dream or meditation.


1345z.........

The hermetic qabalah is one place to start......


1430z..........

One soon lands on the axis mundi......

There is little doubt that the jguy is the historic axis mundi..... it is a vector from alpha to omega...... it is the mother of all portals.  

Most traditions don’t have a temporal dimension...... there are two such...... the historical/phenomenal dimension and the deep/logical dimension.  

Science explores the analytical aspect of the deep dimension of time..... Jung explores the holistic aspect of this collective unconscious, which we also find in the hermetic qabala..... not quite understanding its temporal aspect.  

In the 4th century, when Christianity was caught up in heresies and still developing the creeds which would define its beliefs, Proverbs 8:22 was used both to support and refute the claims of the Arians. The Arians, assuming that Christ could be equated with the "Wisdom of God" (1 Corinthians 1:24), argued that the Son, like Wisdom, was "created" (Proverbs 8:22), and therefore subordinate to the Creator; their opponents, who argued that the relevant Hebrew word should be translated as "begot", won the debate, and the Nicene Creed declared that the Son was "begotten, not made", meaning that God and Christ were consubstantial.




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Post by whoknows Sun May 03, 2020 9:19 am

Once again Dan, you go about telling people what burdens you think they have and the ones they need to carry. We need to start calling you the mystery man. Have you ever listened to the words to that Zappa song? Somehow I think you have not. As the “friends of Bill” like to say. “Check your self first”

I was no more more mesmerized by VN them anyone else of that era. I mean like everyone else, unless you lived in a cave you watched it every night in living or should I say dying color. BTW when my brother came back I learned some very ugly truths about our gov. and human nature.

Which leads me to this. We all, every last one of us, suffer from PTSD. Have you ever thought that your own break back during the that period may have been and artifact of the social Cataclysm going on at the time.

LOL You can only be hurt by the ones you love or that love you. But you do have to be aware of that love for certain things to be apparent.

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Post by dan Sun May 03, 2020 12:03 pm

whoK 🦉,

We all suffer the trauma of our original sin.......

Kicking ourselves down the rabbit hole 🕳.  

Why would anyone ever do such a thing?

Perhaps because this is the best possible rabbit hole.  
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Is consciousness the ultimate reality - Kuhn........ https://youtu.be/ske-PYBCq54



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Post by BewilderedBird Sun May 03, 2020 12:15 pm

So back to Tolstoy this morning.

I really really like Tolstoy.

Such clarity.

Somehow he has understood perennial philosophy and saving the appearances and simply done away with any popular view of religion.

He cuts right to the root.

Socialism is natural and the way and our chaotic world is transitioning from pack to culture to cosmos.

Any attempt to contain this is going to fail.

Capitalism and materialism refusing to let go will only make it worse.

The farther we pull away from the harmony, the more the storm will rage.

But when we come back, ithings will almost immediately calm.

There are many on earth that must die now I feel to let this happen faster.

The Boomers just can’t let go.

So their fingers are being pried away.

Tolstoy saw all this and kn ew our time even before the 20th century.

He is obviously a portal.

A direct connect to the harmony.

He was calming the storm and then it raged back.

It is getting tribal now and it is likely to get much much worse.

We are apes after all, barely out if the trees, mostly still animals.

The good thing is we discover our secret gardens in the still point and have some respite to commune with the harmony.

This is the ache of every heart conscious or unconscious.

This is deep shit.

The points of light can be seen all through history.

And what we know about them are just memories.

All those words encourage us to have our own experience here.

I can see a web of light enshrouding us.

The more it compresses things, the hotter it gets.

Ignition!

So many amazing Russians!

Man, did they give in to the dark side.

So did Hitler, is that what we want?

That’s what happens when we veer too far from the harmony.

There may be a handful of the powerful who would settle for a world like that.

The Master/Slave archetype has muddied the flow long enough.

It was thought natural for thousands of years and then Christ said we all deserve and should give and freely receive love.

You can’t beat it.

Christ archetype shows loving one another is the natural order.

A garden will show you love, a wild garden even closer to harmony.

The beauty sprouts from the shit.

Quality is just a reflection of the natural beauty nature reflects.

This is a dream world and you can see right through it now.

In great conflict.

There is a great tearing under way.

A sundering.

Our confusion and dissonance is required but clears away like a fog lifting.

The few have realized and Tolstoy became famous because he would not compromise.

Christ is the end of governments, even as they appear to pervert the harmony, cant do it. It always ends in the city burning in the eyes of a mad king or queen.

Christ is the end of conflict.

Christ is the end of War.

No authority or god.

The ideas of authority were woven into the slave religion.

They sewed loving one another through state sponsored religion as a way to keep the slaves calm and it turns out that is the way.

This is a shadow shit show now, just resisting what is.

It is fraying quickly now.

Now I am not a Christian, no such thing, but Christ is just a name for loving your self through seeing All of it.

So of course the Masters resist this, manipulate it, but in doing so, they only learn resistance is futile and painful.

They would sacrifice the herd to avoid the pain, but they will feel it.

We live in a paradise and they present the news as if there is nothing left.

No, the age of gorging ourselves on matter is collapsing under it’s own weight.

They fear the end of non-stop consumption.

Party is over.

Christ was around in consciousness in many forms before the historical burp of Jesus.

I know born or mythical Jesus may have been the first to fully realize that archetype, but he was just a man and he said we would do better.

Yes, we have worked a few things out.

Authority is just an illusion.

It will just blow away.

But still we resist.

Yes, the best amount of resistance.

Been over for 2500 years or so.
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Post by dan Sun May 03, 2020 1:16 pm

Chivo 🐐 thinks he can stop 🛑 the world and get off......

Sorry, it doesn’t work like that.

We’re all heading to the other side, at the best possible time, which will be sooner than later......

....... as soon as the Princess decides to open the portals.........

That’s her job...... just be thankful that it’s not mine.  

I have to struggle just to maintain an open channel with her.  



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Post by BewilderedBird Sun May 03, 2020 1:36 pm

I appear to be fully engaged here, you speak nonsense.

I am doing nothing more than listening to the Goddess as she spoke across time.

She emerges many times and Parmenides knew her quite well apparently.

Anyway, so Tolstoy spoke of the true religion not totally revealed. Leibniz felt the same apparently. Tolstoy was speaking about the perennial philosophy.

We only have fragments of it, as we do of the greatest thinkers.

We see fragments emerge in history.

Tolstoy tore into every tradition.

He was searching hard.

Oneness is a seductive concept.

Union.

Joining.

The greatest feeling in life.
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Post by BewilderedBird Sun May 03, 2020 3:16 pm

Like these dudes, I don’t accept or not accept dualism or idealism or physicalism as the end all be all, more a little bit of all of them.

Seem forced more and more toward monist view.

Good episode.

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Post by Cuan Scott Sun May 03, 2020 3:21 pm

WK

Loved to meet you and Ack on the Zoom a couple of nights back.. really enjoyed the chat and apologies - hungry horses called me away..

Indeed would welcome further chats on zoom or ping me a message anytime. will drop you a pm.


Ack,

I pointed out Jonathan eating his dinner on my lawn the other evening on our call and you mentioned not having heard of him or read the book. I have enclosed a link below to the audio book..

Trust you enjoy..



A wise bird.. as you may agree.. son of the great gull..

I sometimes think he and El Chivo's paths may have intersected..

Chivo talks of quality.. so does Jonathan..


Been watching David Icke's interview on London Real's new 'digital freedom' platform..

It was interesting..

If you are interested in the conspiracy piece the first 2 hours are good.

If you are interested in that which Dan, Ack, El Chivo and most here seems to see as the hub of the conversation wheel, then the last 30 mins is best Smile

Like Hobbit he mentioned Bill Gates..

My observation is that Bill like others, in fact like all of us, he picked up the stick. Maybe he just forgot when you do, you pick up both ends..

Presently I think a great many people wish to club him over the head with it.

Maybe the wisdom and secret for all of us is to not pick up the stick..

Maybe instead of sticks, we should stick to high fives and hugs

Dan mentioned we will tire of our mindless pursuits..

I agree. materialism and the acquisition of stuff unless needed takes up space.. mental space..

I sense for many its not that they own lots of stuff, it owns them ..

shrug..

In the end it all balances out..

Not sure if Foot reads the blog anymore but thanks to Dan for the video..

Many congratulations on the arrival of Mimi's additions to the family Smile



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Post by BewilderedBird Sun May 03, 2020 3:36 pm

I have only spoken what I don’t know and what I know.

No one knows before birth or after.

To be honest u have to walk a tight rope using dualism as a balancing bar.

You don’t get to know.

I know anyone definite is wrong.

You know what you experience.

Are the thoughts and feelings interacting or emanating from the body?

How do we know or anyone?

I been round the block of ideas, most never really study the ideas, they stay on the surface.

You can’t fake quality or its light or smell.

This is such a narrow path easy to fall into conspiracy and superstition or reductive thinking.

Gotta be a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll.

Try it all I say and find your own way, but no one is on the high wire but you.

No one can walk it for you, this is where I have Dan beat.

He doesn’t believe in himself.
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Post by Cuan Scott Sun May 03, 2020 4:10 pm

I agree

I have said before, I have stumbled and tripped over my own feet often but I will keep getting up as we each have to walk it.

Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Mozart and millions of others may have always been perfect but all things take our attention and application

Refactoring

Knowing anything won't change how sitting with someone you love watching a beautiful sunset will feel, or the first cup of coffee in the morning.

As to Dan's belief in himself, I dunno.. need to ask the chicken Smile

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When Dan only speaks for himself, you might have a clue he is closer to truth flying between earth and the blue sky.

As far as this princess and second coming nonsense, nonsense it is.

Until then I’ll be practicing my flying in peace.
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Post by dan Sun May 03, 2020 4:54 pm

Chivo,

You can’t be in the flow without understanding its directionality......

When I say that you want to stop 🛑 the world 🌎 and get off...... that is to say that you want to stop the flow of history.  

The missionary position is to be leaning into history...... into the prophetic tradition....... spreading the good news...... being an evangelist.  

That concept is totally foreign to Buddha. It was actually inventive by the jguy.

I’m just part of the cleanup crew.

If you want to know the cosmic consciousness, you have to see it projected into time.

Without this knowledge, you will constantly be buffeted by the winds of change...... by the Heracletion flux.



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Post by BewilderedBird Sun May 03, 2020 11:12 pm

Nope, it is easy and peaceful and almost effortless.

You have no idea what anyone’s life is or will be like.

Pretender.

Maybe you will find that one day, maybe not.

Shrug.

You think there is some thing you have to do then you get to rest.

Nope.

We’ll do it LIVE.

There is only this.

You can imagine what you like.

If you have something new, look me up.

Until then, I’m jumping off cliffs learning to fly.



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Post by hobbit Mon May 04, 2020 4:44 am

El Chivo,

If You want to fly, then You need to achieve what birds do via their feathers.
THERE IS NO GRAVITY.

There is an IMPLOSION versus an OUTRUSH.

It is consciousness at work enabling creation.

The feathers are capable of deflecting the implosion, trees perform this , as do all living entities.

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Post by hobbit Mon May 04, 2020 5:08 am

Who was it that was said to have walked on water?????

They term such things as miracles, I don't.

http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm

That fabulous Russian was a dowser, so am I, and I can detect and interact with consciousness, but our five sense human friends can't accept that it is possible to interact with consciousness, so they term any notion of such as miracles.


Bee's shouldn't be able to fly, they don't they displace in time.

Time=gravity.

Consciousness determines time, consciousness determines gravity.

Alter one and you alter the other.


So called flying saucers are not flying, they are displacing the opposing flows of consciousness and thus displace in time.

To the occupants of such craft the planet moves, they don't.

Hobbit......displacing in time, it makes one invisible.


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Post by hobbit Mon May 04, 2020 10:19 am

They have slipped this into law.

[youtube]pPMtogVgL9c[/xyoutube](Edited by dan..... come on, hobbit, you may express your personal conspiracy theories on your own pages. The same will apply to apparently incoherent statements regarding physics/metaphysics.)

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Post by whoknows Mon May 04, 2020 9:25 pm

Happy trails.



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Post by dan Mon May 04, 2020 9:29 pm

hobbit,

Going forward, you will be expected to confine your remarks in the BPWH section to discussion that relates to the BPWH.  Thank you for your consideration.


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Thanks for your participation........ I also enjoy Yes......
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Folks do have a difficult time with the coherence theory of truth.

But this MoAPS wasn’t intended to be an easy one.  If it had been, there would have been no drama...... we would have been there centuries ago.  

The opening of the portals will be traumatic for most of us...... as are most forms of sudden liberation...... there is a rapture of the depths..... with sudden decompression.  I’m not the engineer of the decompression event, fortunately.  

Only in retrospect, will it make any sense.

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Post by hobbit Tue May 05, 2020 1:46 am

hobbit wrote:They have slipped this into law.

[youtube]pPMtogVgL9c[/xyoutube](Edited by dan..... come on, hobbit, you may express your personal conspiracy theories on your own pages.  The same will apply to apparently incoherent statements regarding physics/metaphysics.)

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Why did you wipe out that link????????

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Is this part of YOUR idea of the best possible world??????

I have grave thoughts about YOU dan smith.

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Post by dan Tue May 05, 2020 3:21 am

Come on, hobbit,

Just state exactly what you are opposed to.  

Don’t go hiding behind other people’s videos.  

Then state why, whatever social practice you are pointing to, is not part of the BPW, prior to Disclosure.  

For instance, you could point to war or slavery as being deleterious, but, evidently, they were part of the BPW, prior to Disclosure.

In other words, hobbit, before you go criticizing the BPW, you have to understand the BPWH.  

Evidently you don’t have a clue about the BPWH.  

Until such time as you understand the BPWH, your comments here will continue to be pointless.

In other words, in the BPW, there is a reason for everything.  

Your only argument against evil is to argue against this being the best possible world (BPW).  

Whether or not this is the BPW is a cosmological issue, not an ethical issue.  

I don’t think you have a clue about cosmology or cosmogony.  For instance, hobbit, why is there something rather than nothing?

That question marks the beginning of all inquiries concerning the nature of existence.  

If you don’t understand this, then you are in the wrong place.  

Of course, you could argue that you are in the best possible place, but you could argue in that manner, only in the context of having accepted the BPWH.  

There are subtleties here that you are bulldozing/bullying right through.  

The best possible world hypothesis (BPWH) is a philosophical issue, not an ethical or political issue.  

It seems that you have been unaware of the philosophical nature of this discussion, for your entire sojourn here.  

Now you know, hobbit.  



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