With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
We thank Chivo for pointing to The All...... not to be confused with All...... I’ll need to do the homework.
The Princess comes to us from that neck of the woods. Imagine the gic being willing to share her with us....... a rare bird alert. This time around, she had a foot on the ground...... maybe even two.
Then imagine that both foot and donny were blindsided by wuhan. It split the difference...... right down the middle. The strike zone was rather obvious..... certainly in retrospect, which is the only spect that counts.
wuhan may send donny to the sidelines....... along with a few other tin horns, who got their horns stuck in the rabbit hole ...... my aching head.
Our cow is dead..... we don’t need donny’s bull. donny got way behind on his homework ...... not realizing that he is the antechrist. He was the square peg in the round hole .
Pre-established harmony is too easy..... it is the woof without the warp, which was beyond the whoK pay grade...... mesmerized by Nam.
It is like pre-stressed concrete.
In effect, the universe is partially [sic] existent on the Mental plane, and we may in fact all be parts of The All's psychological makeup, representing parts of The All in its dream or meditation.
1345z.........
The hermetic qabalah is one place to start......
1430z..........
One soon lands on the axis mundi......
There is little doubt that the jguy is the historic axis mundi..... it is a vector from alpha to omega...... it is the mother of all portals.
Most traditions don’t have a temporal dimension...... there are two such...... the historical/phenomenal dimension and the deep/logical dimension.
Science explores the analytical aspect of the deep dimension of time..... Jung explores the holistic aspect of this collective unconscious, which we also find in the hermetic qabala..... not quite understanding its temporal aspect.
In the 4th century, when Christianity was caught up in heresies and still developing the creeds which would define its beliefs, Proverbs 8:22 was used both to support and refute the claims of the Arians. The Arians, assuming that Christ could be equated with the "Wisdom of God" (1 Corinthians 1:24), argued that the Son, like Wisdom, was "created" (Proverbs 8:22), and therefore subordinate to the Creator; their opponents, who argued that the relevant Hebrew word should be translated as "begot", won the debate, and the Nicene Creed declared that the Son was "begotten, not made", meaning that God and Christ were consubstantial.
Once again Dan, you go about telling people what burdens you think they have and the ones they need to carry. We need to start calling you the mystery man. Have you ever listened to the words to that Zappa song? Somehow I think you have not. As the “friends of Bill” like to say. “Check your self first”
I was no more more mesmerized by VN them anyone else of that era. I mean like everyone else, unless you lived in a cave you watched it every night in living or should I say dying color. BTW when my brother came back I learned some very ugly truths about our gov. and human nature.
Which leads me to this. We all, every last one of us, suffer from PTSD. Have you ever thought that your own break back during the that period may have been and artifact of the social Cataclysm going on at the time.
LOL You can only be hurt by the ones you love or that love you. But you do have to be aware of that love for certain things to be apparent.
Somehow he has understood perennial philosophy and saving the appearances and simply done away with any popular view of religion.
He cuts right to the root.
Socialism is natural and the way and our chaotic world is transitioning from pack to culture to cosmos.
Any attempt to contain this is going to fail.
Capitalism and materialism refusing to let go will only make it worse.
The farther we pull away from the harmony, the more the storm will rage.
But when we come back, ithings will almost immediately calm.
There are many on earth that must die now I feel to let this happen faster.
The Boomers just can’t let go.
So their fingers are being pried away.
Tolstoy saw all this and kn ew our time even before the 20th century.
He is obviously a portal.
A direct connect to the harmony.
He was calming the storm and then it raged back.
It is getting tribal now and it is likely to get much much worse.
We are apes after all, barely out if the trees, mostly still animals.
The good thing is we discover our secret gardens in the still point and have some respite to commune with the harmony.
This is the ache of every heart conscious or unconscious.
This is deep shit.
The points of light can be seen all through history.
And what we know about them are just memories.
All those words encourage us to have our own experience here.
I can see a web of light enshrouding us.
The more it compresses things, the hotter it gets.
Ignition!
So many amazing Russians!
Man, did they give in to the dark side.
So did Hitler, is that what we want?
That’s what happens when we veer too far from the harmony.
There may be a handful of the powerful who would settle for a world like that.
The Master/Slave archetype has muddied the flow long enough.
It was thought natural for thousands of years and then Christ said we all deserve and should give and freely receive love.
You can’t beat it.
Christ archetype shows loving one another is the natural order.
A garden will show you love, a wild garden even closer to harmony.
The beauty sprouts from the shit.
Quality is just a reflection of the natural beauty nature reflects.
This is a dream world and you can see right through it now.
In great conflict.
There is a great tearing under way.
A sundering.
Our confusion and dissonance is required but clears away like a fog lifting.
The few have realized and Tolstoy became famous because he would not compromise.
Christ is the end of governments, even as they appear to pervert the harmony, cant do it. It always ends in the city burning in the eyes of a mad king or queen.
Christ is the end of conflict.
Christ is the end of War.
No authority or god.
The ideas of authority were woven into the slave religion.
They sewed loving one another through state sponsored religion as a way to keep the slaves calm and it turns out that is the way.
This is a shadow shit show now, just resisting what is.
It is fraying quickly now.
Now I am not a Christian, no such thing, but Christ is just a name for loving your self through seeing All of it.
So of course the Masters resist this, manipulate it, but in doing so, they only learn resistance is futile and painful.
They would sacrifice the herd to avoid the pain, but they will feel it.
We live in a paradise and they present the news as if there is nothing left.
No, the age of gorging ourselves on matter is collapsing under it’s own weight.
They fear the end of non-stop consumption.
Party is over.
Christ was around in consciousness in many forms before the historical burp of Jesus.
I know born or mythical Jesus may have been the first to fully realize that archetype, but he was just a man and he said we would do better.
I appear to be fully engaged here, you speak nonsense.
I am doing nothing more than listening to the Goddess as she spoke across time.
She emerges many times and Parmenides knew her quite well apparently.
Anyway, so Tolstoy spoke of the true religion not totally revealed. Leibniz felt the same apparently. Tolstoy was speaking about the perennial philosophy.
We only have fragments of it, as we do of the greatest thinkers.
Loved to meet you and Ack on the Zoom a couple of nights back.. really enjoyed the chat and apologies - hungry horses called me away..
Indeed would welcome further chats on zoom or ping me a message anytime. will drop you a pm.
Ack,
I pointed out Jonathan eating his dinner on my lawn the other evening on our call and you mentioned not having heard of him or read the book. I have enclosed a link below to the audio book..
Trust you enjoy..
A wise bird.. as you may agree.. son of the great gull..
I sometimes think he and El Chivo's paths may have intersected..
Chivo talks of quality.. so does Jonathan..
Been watching David Icke's interview on London Real's new 'digital freedom' platform..
It was interesting..
If you are interested in the conspiracy piece the first 2 hours are good.
If you are interested in that which Dan, Ack, El Chivo and most here seems to see as the hub of the conversation wheel, then the last 30 mins is best
Like Hobbit he mentioned Bill Gates..
My observation is that Bill like others, in fact like all of us, he picked up the stick. Maybe he just forgot when you do, you pick up both ends..
Presently I think a great many people wish to club him over the head with it.
Maybe the wisdom and secret for all of us is to not pick up the stick..
Maybe instead of sticks, we should stick to high fives and hugs
Dan mentioned we will tire of our mindless pursuits..
I agree. materialism and the acquisition of stuff unless needed takes up space.. mental space..
I sense for many its not that they own lots of stuff, it owns them ..
shrug..
In the end it all balances out..
Not sure if Foot reads the blog anymore but thanks to Dan for the video..
Many congratulations on the arrival of Mimi's additions to the family
Who was it that was said to have walked on water?????
They term such things as miracles, I don't.
http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm
That fabulous Russian was a dowser, so am I, and I can detect and interact with consciousness, but our five sense human friends can't accept that it is possible to interact with consciousness, so they term any notion of such as miracles.
Bee's shouldn't be able to fly, they don't they displace in time.
Time=gravity.
Consciousness determines time, consciousness determines gravity.
Alter one and you alter the other.
So called flying saucers are not flying, they are displacing the opposing flows of consciousness and thus displace in time.
To the occupants of such craft the planet moves, they don't.
Hobbit......displacing in time, it makes one invisible.
[youtube]pPMtogVgL9c[/xyoutube](Edited by dan..... come on, hobbit, you may express your personal conspiracy theories on your own pages. The same will apply to apparently incoherent statements regarding physics/metaphysics.)
Going forward, you will be expected to confine your remarks in the BPWH section to discussion that relates to the BPWH. Thank you for your consideration.
wk,
Thanks for your participation........ I also enjoy Yes...... ........
Folks do have a difficult time with the coherence theory of truth.
But this MoAPS wasn’t intended to be an easy one. If it had been, there would have been no drama...... we would have been there centuries ago.
The opening of the portals will be traumatic for most of us...... as are most forms of sudden liberation...... there is a rapture of the depths..... with sudden decompression. I’m not the engineer of the decompression event, fortunately.
[youtube]pPMtogVgL9c[/xyoutube](Edited by dan..... come on, hobbit, you may express your personal conspiracy theories on your own pages. The same will apply to apparently incoherent statements regarding physics/metaphysics.)
Then state why, whatever social practice you are pointing to, is not part of the BPW, prior to Disclosure.
For instance, you could point to war or slavery as being deleterious, but, evidently, they were part of the BPW, prior to Disclosure.
In other words, hobbit, before you go criticizing the BPW, you have to understand the BPWH.
Evidently you don’t have a clue about the BPWH.
Until such time as you understand the BPWH, your comments here will continue to be pointless.
In other words, in the BPW, there is a reason for everything.
Your only argument against evil is to argue against this being the best possible world (BPW).
Whether or not this is the BPW is a cosmological issue, not an ethical issue.
I don’t think you have a clue about cosmology or cosmogony. For instance, hobbit, why is there something rather than nothing?
That question marks the beginning of all inquiries concerning the nature of existence.
If you don’t understand this, then you are in the wrong place.
Of course, you could argue that you are in the best possible place, but you could argue in that manner, only in the context of having accepted the BPWH.
There are subtleties here that you are bulldozing/bullying right through.
The best possible world hypothesis (BPWH) is a philosophical issue, not an ethical or political issue.
It seems that you have been unaware of the philosophical nature of this discussion, for your entire sojourn here.
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