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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    Topic reminder.......

    We’ll see whether this thread disappears or not......


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    Post by dan Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:46 pm

    Thanks, Eric,

    I’m always trying to be more spontaneous.

    I get to practice at the hotel bar, with Larry looking out for me.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:14 am

    Do or do not, there is no try.
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:44 am

    Ack,

    Technically, you are correct, but I don’t think we can just jettison our informal manner of speaking...... not overnight.  

    Heck....... I’m not even going to try.  


    Eric,  

    Thank you for speaking with me last evening.  

    Yes, Eric and I are on different missions....... well, I’m on a mission, and he’s on an anti-mission.  


    The news flash is that, once again, I’ve fallen out of grace with Aliyah.  The reasons are equally obscure.  I’m not sure how Ron will handle the situation.  I do not refuse his phone calls.  


    Especially since Donald Trump became President, there has been increasing talk of conspiracies, even, at times, by liberal commentators, if only by way of reporting.  

    CoCreation is the mother of all conspiracies (MoAC).  

    Every interpersonal portal is the manifestation of interpersonal entanglement....... just another form of conspiracy, whether deliberate or not.  

    My claim is the science, technology and smart phones, in particular are one more manifestation of our coCreational conspiracy...... in a witting and unwitting collusion with our Source....... and with our Telos...... we, creatures, being the bridge between the two, which, on the ‘inside’ are identical.  


    2:15..........

    Once again, I'm left speechless, Princess....... the Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.  


    6:10/ft.........

    One thing I find rather curious about Bernardo’s ‘Dreamed Up Reality’ is that he takes the space-time manifold to be objective.  This position is curiously at odds with his otherwise immaterialist/subjectivist thesis.


    9:50.........

    Here is Kastrup on Cosmopsychism....... https://philpapers.org/archive/KASTUI.pdf



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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 pm

    Updated 03032020

    Background research collection - see extensive list of links (proof of paradigm, more on pdf below on last page)
    https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t158p675-uncommon-thoughts-on-common-things-cyrellys#31127 

    PDF on weathering the bug at home: 
    https://www.slideshare.net/CyrellysGeibhendach1/stay-safe-patriots-2020-updated-02242020


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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:09 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:One man for Congress, two paths ahead. On path for good the other for Dread. The chicken will lead him to the abyss, for the chicken cares not and for truth gives a Hiss.

    T is getting re-elected, unless the globals take out DC.  I don't know the how...only where he eventually lands after a very long walk.  Possibiliities.  Nothing set in stone until the first step into the bottleneck.

    Why would certain parties of the Others piss and moan in irate irritation about having to go back in time to fix the temporal tampering?  

    The many faces of attempted intervention, screwed up by the many faces of the moving parts of a rock.


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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:13 pm

    > Rex reasons...
    https://youtu.be/esb8vBAPm6o

    Cy says: Wouldn't it throw a wrench in the NWO works, if #MAGA all showed up to vote and requested strictly paper ballot instead of the voting machines and said we're not going home till you provide paper ballot option....and the crowds grew to millions
    @realDonaldTrump
    A real election, first clear vote since JFK? Paper ballots, that can be recounted to verify. Sincerely Banais Righi.


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    Post by GSB Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:35 pm

    Does Quantum Immortality Save Schrödinger's Cat in the Best Possible World?



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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:57 pm

    Pecking away all day, leaving a trail of dung, the Chicken does not have a passport, and the song is nearly sung.
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:57 pm

    If there is a song to be sung....... allow me to be there in spirit.

    Pecking away is good enough for 🐥.

    Thanks anyway...... have a good time.
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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:31 pm

    Only the Chicken can follow this path, as he wanders the way through God's wrath. No one can lead or follow his math, for the chicken is pecking the corn from his path.
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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:43 pm

    Foot Mann wrote:Only the Chicken can follow this path, as he wanders the way through God's wrath. No one can lead or follow his math, for the chicken is pecking the corn from his path.

    the problems that plague us aren't God's Wrath at all.  They're very human f-ups.  Some intentional, some accidental...regardless all paths lead to the cesspool of Rome.

    Ron what exactly do YOU want from Dan?  What are your expectations, that for whatever reason he is not filling?


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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:08 pm

    In 2007 the elites were known for dangling the carrot of a place in the DUMBs or on one of the ships (alternative space fleet or non-human space fleet) in front of people to get them to do or say or agree with things.  But the hair splitting reality was all those who had such a place or option offered to them, were never given any tour or view or proof of paradigm of these ships, places, etc.  

    Then in other venues you'd hear that elites would never follow thru with such offers.  The offers of salvation or whatever you'd like to call it was all BS.

    In 2013 - 15 even the comms with the non-human groups resulted in their statements of anger that the elites were creating such places or options without including accommodation for the general population.  One such statement I heard for myself was about the technology that was given to have the ability to create the DUMBs was on condition it included accommodation for segments from every part of society not just the rich, famous, or powerful.

    Now if you know where to look in ancient documents you read about a prior instance of cyclic cataclysm and hiding deep underground and you learn about the demise of most those who sought refuge below...how they became the meat in the middle of a rotten rock sandwich.

    ???hmm?


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    Post by dan Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:04 am

    Cy,

    Ron is my bad cop, and Aliyah is Ron’s bad cop.  

    Neither of them have any patience with muppets.

    However, Cy, in my understanding, Creation is by, for and about (us) ‘muppets’.  

    Folks like 🦶 are here only to serve the rest of us.  They don’t like to be constantly reminded of this fact.  

    Revelation is imminent.  I don’t need to tell you this, Cy.  

    The deepest shadows appear just before the dawn.  

    🦶and 🐥 are operating under very different protocols.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:31 am

    All revelation is imagination.

    The proto mind was our feelings most likely.

    Imagine you can imagine anything, have fun, I certainly am.

    It’s all make believe.

    Who can make the muppets believe?

    Who the fuck would waste their time on ones who can’t imagine or know they are?

    Grin and nod

    Grin and nod

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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:13 pm

    dan wrote:Cy,

    Ron is my bad cop, and Aliyah is Ron’s bad cop.  

    Neither of them have any patience with muppets.

    However, Cy, in my understanding, Creation is by, for and about (us) ‘muppets’.  

    Folks like 🦶 are here only to serve the rest of us.  They don’t like to be constantly reminded of this fact.  

    Revelation is imminent.  I don’t need to tell you this, Cy.  

    The deepest shadows appear just before the dawn.  

    🦶and 🐥 are operating under very different protocols.  



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    Dan Smith wrote:"🦶and 🐥 are operating under very different protocols.  "



    THAT is why I asked him what I did.


    Dan Smith wrote:
    "Revelation is imminent.  I don’t need to tell you this, Cy.  

    The deepest shadows appear just before the dawn.  "




    Yes.  Source has some tricks still up its sleeve, stuff its been working on.


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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:15 pm

    smelly_yolk wrote:All revelation is imagination.

    The proto mind was our feelings most likely.

    Imagine you can imagine anything, have fun, I certainly am.

    It’s all make believe.

    Who can make the muppets believe?

    Who the fuck would waste their time on ones who can’t imagine or know they are?

    Grin and nod

    Grin and nod

    Grin and nod

    The perspective of SELF does not always translate to the TRUTHS of others.


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    Post by dan Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:49 pm

    Thank you, Cy,

    In an hour long conversation, I, too, have reprimanded 💩🐐 about the unnecessary superficiality of his above post, and his constant obsession with offensively/aggressively/transgressively misconstruing the words of others.

    I do understand that 🐐 takes pride in being a thorn in the side of the world 🌎. But why not take it to the next level, and let the 🌎 be a thorn in your side?



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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:57 pm

    Source = Universal Creative Consciousness "Celtic Christian concept of GOD" aka "the ONE in All"
    "We be of ONE blood, thou and I" Nature's Crowd universal cosmic greeting (handshake).

    Word - Logos - Truth = Celtic concept of Divinity
    Justice is a sacred aspect of Truth in Celtic Christian culture.
    Liberty or Free Will is the virtue which embraces Truth and Justice.
    Free Will respects both Truth and Inequity.
    Source RESPECTS Free Will.
    Celtic Christian cuiture is deeply concerned as a living moral culture with free will, right choice [Excellence], and Truth

    Reincarnation and Walk-Ins (modern term) are resident tenets of Celtic Christianity which includes Ceili Dei, Pelagianism, Culdee spiritual traditions.

    Nature's Law (American/Old Irish) the root source of British Common Law and Old Irish Brehon Law, stems from Cosmic Law.

    History wrote:The doctrine put forth by the Monophysite sect of the young Christian Church attempted to discredit all references to reincarnation contained in the early gospels.  The early Christian Church had initially accepted the doctrine of reincarnation, which had been a main tenet that was promoted by Church Fathers such as Clement of Alexandria and Origen in the third century, along with St Jerome in the fifth century.  The early writings of Origen had specifically suffered constant attacks over the centuries.  In 553 AD, the Fifth Ecumenical Congress of Constantinople (aka Council of Constantinople II) condemned the writings of Origen, an act authorized by Emperor Justinian, effectively removing most remnants of the belief in reincarnation from Church teachings, while declaring any promotion of that concept to be heresy.

    It is secret documents from the Judean branch of the Essene Brotherhood to which most of Jesu's students belonged, referenced by occult author Eklal Kueshana, which speaks of Jesu's baptismal full-immersion in the River Jordan, describing a temporary switch of inhabitants in the body.  The temporary resident reportedly departed that body at its moment of physical death.  Three days later that resurrected body was once again returned to and reoccupied by its prior original entity, the man known as Jesus.

    Only a few select people knew of this.  Meanwhile per the narrative, Jesus then lived out the remaining 'natural life' of His material body at various European sites, mainly in France, Ireland, and England along with Mary Magdalene who supposedly became His wife.

    Gnosticism attributes much of its spread to Marcion and Valentinus during the mid-second century AD.  Around 140 AD Valentinus claimed to have learned the secret teachings of Gnosticism from Theudas, one of Paul's early disciples.  Gnosticism was also spread by the teachings of Theodotus between c.140 and 160 AD.  Its connection to Greek philosophers further provided a link between the Divine Logos and the mind of the adept (recall the culture/knowledge exchange between the Greeks/Pythagoras and the Drui) allowing select initiates access to a higher level of secret wisdom and esoteric teachings. (See also St. Irenaeus Bishop of Lyons).  Valentinus divulged an esoteric Gnostic belief in different levels of gods or 'divine beings' which was also accepted and strongly promoted by Marcion, who noted a sharp contrast between the vengeful God of the Old Testament and the forgiving God of Love portrayed within the New Testament.

    Valentinus described the Creator God as the "[Root] of the All, the [Ineffable One who]dwells in the Monad. [He dwells alone] in silence...since, after all, [He was] a Monad, and no one was before Him..."  He further clarified the distinction between the two gods, stating that the lesser divine being served as the instrument of higher powers.  Valentinus also stated that the lesser god of Earth:" who reigns as king and lord, who acts as military commander, who gives the law and judges those who violate it," was the God of Israel.  Gnostic scholar and author, Dr. Elaine Pagels, quoted the Gnostic teacher, Justinus, who described the Lord's shock, terror, and anxiety: "...when he discovered that he was not the God of the Universe."

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    History II wrote:The extant written Gnostic record consists of 52 Coptic payri texts, which included early secret Christian gospels.  Those texts were found in 1945, stored in jars and hidden amon the cliffs of the mountains near the town of Nag Hammadi, Egypt.  Some of the texts were similar to the teachings of the Followers of Righteousness (Right Choice/Excellence) discovered with the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are usually associated with the Jewish Essene sect.  The gospels of the New Testament are dated between c.70 and 110 AD, while these Gnostic gospels are dated slightly earlier from c.50 to 100 AD.  The Gnostic texts also contain some gospels that are completely unknown within the New Testament.  Those include: the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of the Egyptians (aka The Sacred Book of the Great Invisible Spirit), Gospel of Mary [Magdalene], Gospel of Truth, the Secret Book of James, the Apocalypse of Paul, the Apocalypse of Peter, and the Letter of Peter to Philip.   Some Gnostic gospels, especially the Gospel of Philip, contradict or differ with certain accounts of Jesus that are contained within the 'accepted' New Testament gospels.

    Much of the scholarly knowledge of the Gnostics and their belief system is derived from the writings and descriptions of anti-Gnostic texts written by competing Christian sects of the 2nd century AD.  Much of their true tenets and doctrine can only be inferred from ritual descriptions and comments in thos anti-Gnostic texts.  Nearly all surviving Gnostic records were written in the Coptic language, that resulted when Gnosticism spread to Egypt during the late 2nd century AD.  The Nag Hammadi documents found in 1945 reflect those known Coptic translations, and represent the bulk of extant records and knowledge of Gnosticism, although they represent only a small portion of the original Gnostic record, texts, and beliefs.

    Gnostic beliefs contained fantastic elements of mythology, and a cosmology consisting of multiple levels of heavens, each assigned to a divine being or overseer.  It further involved many mystical conclusions and practices, with numerous elements different than the present Christian teachings.  According to Gnostic researcher Professor G.R.S. Mead, author of the early 20th century book, "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten," the Gnostics believed that the gods were civilizers and teachers (mentors) of infant races; equating those Divine Instructors with the serpent.

    Gnostic belief further revealed that the origins of humankind emerged from what was called a 'divine spark.'  That divine spark was derived from the lesser divinities that 'fell to our world,' or were sent here by either higher divine beings or the Creator, and were then combined with a degenerate mortal lifeform of Earth, resulting in our human species.  Humans were thus believed capable of reuniting with their higher divine elements, perhaps even attaining the level on which the Creator exists, by eliminating or overcoming (free will) the evil characteristics or faults retained by humanity.  Such purging of all human 'character deficiencies' would produce a 'perfected being.' (Excellence/Moral/Spiritual) thus allowing such a 'corrected entity' to then return to its 'proper home' within the ethereal realm.

    Some Gnostic sects even believed that the souls of humankind were completely alien to Earth, belonging to a different celestial realm.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:22 pm

    Cyrellys wrote:
    smelly_yolk wrote:All revelation is imagination.

    The proto mind was our feelings most likely.

    Imagine you can imagine anything, have fun, I certainly am.

    It’s all make believe.

    Who can make the muppets believe?

    Who the fuck would waste their time on ones who can’t imagine or know they are?

    Grin and nod

    Grin and nod

    Grin and nod

    The perspective of SELF does not always translate to the TRUTHS of others.

    There is no truth, so.... Wink

    You are welcome to yours.

    There is a smelly goat who thinks Cy and Dan are very deluded, but it's their delusion.

    They can feel that I am a little brat, but that would also be a mistake and not what is.

    I guess we will just have to accept each other or I move on.

    Be calm Dan.

    Our time simply could be coming to a natural close.

    Frictions help us see when it might be time to move on.

    I was not commenting on others, but imagination in general.

    My smelly ways are not even directed at you Dan.

    Anyway, I'll not explain my art Wink

    Make your own.

    So if my making noise in your presence offends thee, banish me.

    It is your choice.

    I will respect your wishes.

    And No, I am not changing as I am not doing anything.

    Unlike you folks, I truly act spontaneously.
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    Continuation from here: https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t389p250-notes-from-the-bus-2a#31216

    History III wrote:One of Gnosticism's main 'lesser divinities' was Sophia, meaning 'Wisdom', who reportedly was 'not of Earth origin.'  An evil god, the demiurge, later emerged from her family, taking credit for all past accomplishments; becoming known as and often called 'the creator'.  Obviously a late arrival could not have created all that came before, and hence ccould not be the True Creator, the Supreme Force that initiated the Big Bang genesis of our Universe.  The Gnostics identified that later god as Yahweh, the demiurge or 'living spirit', the one declared by many to be the God of the Old Testament.  It was also thought that such a 'false god' made every effort to keep humanity in a state of ignorance, by concentrating only on material desires and goods, thereby keeping the celestial truth hidden from humans.  That false god reportedly punished any attempt by humanity to acquire knowledge and truth.

    For that reason the Gnostics did not associate God the Father of the New Testament, the Father of Jesu, with the God of the Old Testament; thus discounting the Old Testament texts and excluding those writings from their faith.

    Gnosticism also did not accept that the Godhead had ever taken human form; hence neither Yahweh nor Jesu could be the true supreme Creator.  The Gnostics knew that Yahweh was only one deity among many.  He was often referred to as 'the God of Gods' and 'the Lord of Lords,' clearly signifying other gods and lords beside Himself.  Originally, Yahweh was merely one of the Elohim, who were also called the Nefilim and the 'Genii of the Seven Planets.'  The Gnostics identified Yahweh with evil, calling him Ialdabaoth (aka Ildabaoth), the Son of Darkness.

    Ialdabaoth was also called the child of the egg, sometimes associating him with Manu of India.  He was the son of Sophia Achamoth (aka Sophia Faith), who was the daughter of Sophia (aka Sophia Wisdom or the Divine Wisdom), who was both the Mother Goddess and the Holy Ghost of early Christianity.

    Ialdabaoth is quoted as saying: "I am Father, and God, and above me there is no one."  His mother (Sophia) replied: "Do not lie, Ialdabaoth; for the father of All, the primal Anthropos (the first man) is above thee, and so is Anthropos, the Son of Anthropos."

    History IV wrote:Origen (c.185-c.254 AD) one of the foremost proponents of Gnosticism, was born in Alexandria Egypt. and was a student of Clement of Alexandria.  He was a Christian layperson, writer, teacher, and theologian who spent 28 years instructing both pagans and Christians.  He is generally considered t be the most accomplished Biblical scholar of the early Church, who specialized in Old Testament writings.  

    Origen developed the concept of Christ as the Logos, or Incarnate Word, the Father of Eternity.  He believed that the Son is subordinate to the Father in power and dignity, and strongly believed in reincarnation.  He was denied priesthood in the Church due to an ongoing political conflict with his regional Bishop.

    The olden initiated Fathers of the Church, such as Clement of Alexandria (aka Clemens Alexandrinus) and Origen (aka Origenes), made specific references to what can be identified as the Ancient Ones.  Origen, commenting on the Books of Celsus (which were destroyed by the Church Fathers) spoke of a ladder of creation with seven gates (remember the Seven Races of the Ancients aka Sephiroth), or Seven Heavens.  Clement of Alexandria also wrote: "...these Heavenly Architects, emanate from the Great Supreme Infinite One (Universal Creative Consciousness aka Celtic Christian concept of GOD), and evolved the material universe from chaos."  (aka Unum).  These statements appear to be references to the Ancient Ones, as the builders and purveyors of civilization throughout the universe.

    Further, the dragon was the symbol for the Logos of the Gnostics, yet another icon of the Ancient Ones.




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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:40 pm

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    In the old days when I was poor,
    Night after night I counted other men's wealth.
    Recently I thought it over
    And decided to open a business of my own.
    I dug a hole and found a hidden treasure--
    A store of crystal jewels.
    A blue-eyed foreigner came in secret
    And wanted to buy them and take them away,
    But I only answered him,

    "These jewels are beyond price!"
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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:42 pm




    This fellow is rather interesting to speak with...
    I have a conversation history dating back to 2013, encouraging open discourse. There are others, but this one knew things at the time even most researchers are only now learning...in detail:


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    Sherkash Denatek=Greetings to all. First, Let's stop the nonsense. The space force is not new, not even close to new. The joke is "ET did not need to phone home because with our help we could have given him a ride home." That's right! Eisenhower inked out the beginnings of a new space force. As it grew and became a huge force it is now to big to cover up. There are colonies on Mars, Saturn and Titan. The Moon is simply over crowded and we still wonder if all humans live with their heads in a toilet bowl. Have none of you seen the moon on certain nights and not seen two of them? Hmmm... What does that mean? We know, we know, if this was true we would know about it. However, any 8 year old can grab a telescope and spend a week outside at night and see things he or she never knew existed. You all ask for disclosure then when we give you some you scoff, never mind time travel which was created by a Hybrid named Nikola Tesla. You may find it interesting to know President Trump's Uncle was Nikola Tesla's scientific partner and protege. A genius in his own right, it was President Trump's uncle who took possession of this fantastic technology so if you want to know why the President sometimes does things which seem too far out. Perhaps he already knew the answer? Actually, he did and does. We gave you the answer. President Trump has been grooming himself to be President since the 70's. Why do you think every country's leader, the Pope and the Rabbi from Russia all went to Antarctica two years ago? Actually, it was several reasons. The demonstration of time travel was only one. Meeting the "Hybrids" was the other. Yes! many of you refer to Hybrids as "The Watchers." Just be happy for the watching or you all would be in WW III if not for their protection of Earth=Tamia. Daniel Hybrid Nation


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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:06 pm

    So Ron,

    I've shored up a few item's in Dan's philosophical box,

    and put more than just a little disclosure on the table in a variety of ways...

    YOUR TURN.

    Display your paradigm knowledge.

    Sincerely Banais Righi do Aes Dana Willamette.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:22 pm

    Liberation is the revelation that there is nothing other than what is happening, and what is happening is unknowable.

    Knowing is the prison of the individual.

    The lack of a need of meaning or knowing is freedom.

    It is the simplicity of what is seemingly happening that is yearned for.

    Something or someone might stop happening that never happened.

    Until then, all one can do is waste energy trying to understand or attain knowledge.

    Wei Wu Wei

    Here we play.

    Dancing on the golden Ray.

    Very Happy
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    Post by dan Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:30 am

    Cy,

    Ron is not a philosopher...... he is not a discloser.   He is not a humanitarian.  

    All of that is my job, which he facilitates or obstructs in a seemingly arbitrary fashion.  

    Conclusions that I have drawn over decades of thoughtful observation, he will deny in a heartbeat.  

    Nonetheless, without my association with 🦶, I would have given up my role of 🐥 years ago.  I did give it up, in the early ‘80s, until we met up in ‘91.  

    The government is going to play a passive and/or obstructive in Disclosure, and Ron gets to be the spearhead of that (non)action.  

    I play along with this strategy, because of my observation that the only meaningful Disclosure comes from within.  

    We can point a person toward the Source, but we can’t make them drink.  

    The Source of all this is the simplicity/complexity of love.  Disclosure is the Big Love.  Everything else is distraction and/or preparation.  

    I provide melody while smelly and Ack provide harmony...... on our better days.  


    1:30/ft...........

    Where I am critical of Cy, and other big worlders, is that they seem to always be pointing to external sources and authorities.  Ufologists, in general have this problem, exemplified by the ETH.  Others of us subscribe to the IDH/UTH.  

    Both smelly and Ack have set aside any questing or conversing about the truth.

    When I mention cosmic love to smelly, he manifests a vehement aversive reaction. I guess you have to hate it or love it.



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