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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    Topic reminder.......

    We’ll see whether this thread disappears or not......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:10 am

    http://classics.mit.edu/Aristophanes/birds.html

    They can’t come out this far Ack.

    They are too scared.

    This is alone with the alonez.

    They all have compromised themselves and lay beside the road as smoking wrecks.

    Only the few have made it out this far.

    The rest don’t matter here.

    This place is poison to them.

    We can’t go back to the sympathy of muppets.

    It’s straight on.

    Oh the sweet idealists.

    I am not one of those.

    I am my self alone with the alone.

    Only those who have attempted this can in any way laugh with me.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:59 am

    I’ll laugh with you as long as I live Old Boy.

    I’ll laugh until I cry ..... and then laugh some more.

    What a joy to be here laughing at the shadows on the wall.

    Smile like you mean it!

    😆
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    Post by dan Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:47 am

    Standby, 🏀💗, for an early extraction from 🏔‘ana.... per order of the Princess 👸..... 🥵🐶!

    And, trust 🐥, this has absolutely nothing to do with the 🦠.
    .......

    And I 🤔 it’s fair to say that ☎s could best be characterized as actuators..... and so are ⚛, for (that) matter, trying to speak quite precisely.  

    Yes,📱 are to people, as ⚛ are to matter...... as three persons in one substance...... if we’re doing ontology.  


    10:36/ft/gmt-3........... 6:38 mst......

    Rise and shine, 🏀💗.........


    12:25/ft.........

    Here I am again, at the Big Horn Sherrif’s office, awaiting further instructions from the Princess 👸.  

    Now I’m heading back to the motel to wake Kevin.......


    1:22/gmt-3.........

    Golly, 🏀💗, neither Ron nor the Princess 👸 is answering the phone, what is a poor 🐥 to do?  Mr Conway tells me that I'm being offered a 48 hour hold with Sheriff Longhair.  Maybe that's where I should head, as soon as I pack my bag.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:01 pm

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    But, so is ugliness.

    Out beyond the concepts of beauty and ugly there is a field.

    I’ll meet you there.

    There is here of course.

    The quick witted will see this.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:17 pm

    I have had a vision.

    A Chimera plays with and protects Kashmir.

    Ha!

    Shangri La is open for only the bravest and purest of hearts.

    End of vision.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:30 pm

    I had a second vision.

    I saw a goat fart on my first vision.

    Bahahaha!

    Wink
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:33 pm

    I would recommend loosing your mindzzzzzz.
    Wink



    "The well-trodden field of contemporary thought should be dug up. Therefore, on every possible occasion, in season and out, the generally accepted truths must be ridiculed to death, and paradoxes uttered in their place. Then we shall see..."
    -Lev Shestov



    Dan's road trip logs are irrelevant.

    Dan is wrapped up in entanglements.

    Best thing to do is cut to the root and drift free.

    You won't regret it.



    "Looking for

    nothing in particular,

    wholly without ambition,

    good-naturedly doing not-doing,

    you arrive at the center of

    yourself and find the

    whole universe

    waiting there."



    I stand here in the center of it all.

    Knowing I know nothing but my self as this.

    Naked and untangled from the dream of knowing.

    I open my heart

    to what is

    as this.

    Alone with the Alone

    **POOF!**
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    Post by dan Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:14 pm

    I’m finally enroute back East......

    But not until after an attempted ditching at the airport by both the Kevins.



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    Post by GSB Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:16 pm

    The decoherence theory of truth (DTT)



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    Post by 7isHeaven Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:16 pm

    "If we knew what that phase offset was, then we could cause these alternate histories to merge again." And there we have the crux.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:34 pm

    Silly muppets don’t realize they are the crux.

    Ack you are funny.

    They can’t see that stuff here.

    You will meet very very few people now who have freed themselves.

    If someone has an argument they are stuck behind walls of words.

    You just have to grin and nod.

    Safest thing to do to.

    No one wants to face reality Wink
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:16 am

    **grin**

    **nod**
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:36 pm

    Have Utah and Montana brought us any closer to portals?  

    I certainly couldn’t prove it.  

    In Utah, portals can be money pits.   Folks can throw money into the wishing well, with abandon.  

    There is desperation at the well. The virus does nothing to calm the nerves.   Ron is not too concerned about this version, but is not making any promises about the future.  The Princess admits to no collusion.  It was time to get back to the garden.  

    Back at Dulles, we toured the Air&Space annex.  It seemed oddly quaint....... just another portal.  

    Is truth deflationary?  

    What inflates must deflate.  

    We look at each other a bit more carefully.  

    The sky does fall, even in Big Sky country, with Sheriff Big Hair of the Big Horn, where some folks got shorn at the Little Horn.  

    With desperation....... with nothing left to loose, the colors run, and the planetary crust tends to melt...... as at Mammoth Hot Springs.  


    10:50........

    Penn station? New york?
    Hey, that would have been a portal and a half...... So I went to Montana to find a portal, but I didn't find it until the cab ride back from the station 🚉 with Benjamin and another passenger. Isn't that how it is, Princess 👸?




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    Post by dan Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:12 am

    NYT, yesterday........
    People of faith are called — again and again and again — to return to the foot of the cross. It’s a terrifying place to stand. But that is where the story Christians profess begins. It is a story about love, not loathing; generosity, not greed. In our time, the will to power has all too often overwhelmed the words of Jesus — and that is why we must hear and heed those words anew.


    What was happening out in the Big/Little horn was the entanglement of two dreams........ the Big Sky 🌌 dream and the Blue Sky dream, and I’ll wager you don’t even know which is which.  

    Certainly, Cy, Joe and the Mormons don’t know.  🐥 is just beginning to figure it out, because he’s beginning to figure where Wyschogrod went wrong.  

    Just ask Buddy and 99.  

    That’s how we open the portals........ it’s all about disentanglement, which is sort of like disestablishmentarianism.  That’s what Sheriff Big Hair taught me out in Hardin.  donny, on a good day, might see half of that picture.  


    9:30.........

    As the shadows grow longer and stronger, the long scams come out.  

    What we need to know is that within every scam is a nugget of truth.  After some practice, it gets quicker.  


    10:20/ft.........

    Understand that right now, the 🦠 is our main lever for disclosure.  Trust us, 🏀💗, we have our 🦠s in a row, kinda like our billy 🐐🐐🐐 gruff.  

    Recommended reading...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Billy_Goats_Gruff

    I’m particularly interested in the symbolism of the bridge, of course.  


    11:20........

    So portals are actually about disentanglement, whenever three or more of you are gathered.......

    Virus 🦠s work by word of mouth 👄, just like the WoM/MoAPS.  

    Please tell foot to quit pestering me about a passport.  I'm not going anywhere until you and I can figure out which would be the funnest place.  


    noon.........

    donny had better get off his fake news, real quick, or it will eat him alive, and I suspect it already has.

    donny never learned the rule of three.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:13 am

    Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about Wink

    It’s very simple Danny.

    You are here, enjoy it or not.

    Soon, you won’t be here.

    It should be obvious what to do.

    I thought you were smart.

    I have seen little evidence of this.

    They are all distracted.

    Very distracted.

    Are you?

    Yuh don’t love the world Smile

    You love the ones you are with.

    Another obvious clue.

    Yuh aren’t Jesus.

    Just my opinion, Jesus wasn’t Jesus.
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    Post by GSB Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:28 am

    Dan has yet to understand that the personal coherence theory of truth has been subjected to personal decoherence.

    A coherence theory of truth which results from idealism usually leads to the view that truth comes in degrees. A belief is true to the degree that it coheres with other beliefs.

    Since idealists do not recognize an ontological distinction between beliefs and what makes them true, distinguishing between versions of the coherence theory of truth adopted by idealists and an identity theory of truth can be difficult.


    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-coherence/



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    Post by dan Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:44 am

    smelly,

    Jesus is not Jesus........ I like that, thank you.  

    And if you take that a step further........ Jesus is not the Jesus who is not Jesus....... which is a roundabout way of saying that Jesus is Jesus, maybe.  


    Gary,  

    Yes, there has been a lot of decoherence...... also known as Creation.  

    Recoherence is about unCreation...... and is what is going on now.  

    ......the personal coherence theory of truth has been subjected to personal decoherence......?

    That is another puzzle.   Generally, physicists suppose that entanglement ~ coherence.  But it might not.  

    As there are two dimensions of time, I would suggest that there are two dimensions of coherence....... being atomic and cosmic, or Alpha and Omega coherence.  

    Omega coherence has to do with the Telos..... which is the portal/restaurant at the end of the universe.  

    That is the same rabbit hole that God kicked us down...... yes, we were kicked under the Eden Express, when our curiosity overcame our better sense.  

    Both Kevins may be receiving Greyhound therapy, as we speak...... after their close encounter with the 🐥.  

    Both of 3.5’s recent teachers may be receiving similar therapy after their close encounter.  

    I hope we understand that 🦠 may be our portal, back home...... in more ways than one.  It could be our light at the end of the tunnel..... a green light, evidently.  We just have to get our 🦠🦠🦠 lined up.  

    Now, I’m having lunch with Bryan.  He must be a glutton for punishment...... kinda like poor Sam.  


    7/ft..........

    Here I am, back home, at my Cross Keys portal.......

    It’s very quiet 🤫.



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    Post by GSB Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:16 am

    And speaking of getting in line ...

    FEBRUARY 27, 2020

    Physicists may have accidentally discovered a new state of matter

    "Have you ever walked into a meadow and seen an apple tree with mangoes hanging from it?" Kar asks. "Of course we thought something was wrong. This couldn't be happening."

    #alien-technology

    https://phys.org/news/2020-02-physicists-accidentally-state.html


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    Post by GSB Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:21 am

    Best possible world? Hmmm ...

    “We are made of these exquisitely ordered, wonderfully choreographed particles of nature governed fully by the physical laws, no free will whatsoever,” Greene said. “And yet even in that environment, our particular arrangements can through a flitting burst of activity, create beauty, illuminate mystery, experience wonder.”

    “The fact that particles can do that fills me with a sense of gratitude that really borders on reverence,” Greene added.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/2/20/brian-greene-physics-will/


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:39 pm

    My smelly view...

    I think you have to get beyond Nietzche, now he isn't the end all be all, but you have to go through him.

    And he called bullshit on most of this and I agree.

    We live in a superficial world.

    But we are not superficial.

    It is amazing to me, with our depth, the dregs and lies we settle for.

    We live on starvation rations, when there is a bounty in every moment.

    We are vital and powerful and just here, no meaning in it but what we make.

    And he would just laugh and laugh about all the systems of faith and belief here on Earth swirling in chicken and goat shit.

    Nihilism is very sobering and useful.

    I recommend it.

    I dare you to live with it.

    But 'isms' are lies too.

    Concepts betray.

    These are the peaks we must push into.

    So if you have not developed your philosophy beyond Nietzche, you are in a lost dead untruthful world by my view.

    Reality ain't for wimps or "ists".

    Morality passes away.

    So the chaos now is the jet wash between this transition.

    All systems of of morality will fall...HARD.

    And it will be a fucking mess.

    Don't be in the way.

    Don't argue with the faithful, they will kill you, smelly goat has learned that.

    Avoid the ideologue, they are liars.

    Seek out the free thinkers close to their hearts.

    They have the beat.

    They were the Beats.

    I'm alone with alone out here.

    Not a muppet in sight.

    They are all down there, believing, experimenting, politicking, loving, dying, birthing.

    But then you have to make for the summit.

    But the only way up...is down.

    And I'm sorry, I don't have faith most muppets are gonna do the work to own their lives letting their bullshit theories and understand go and sanity at times.

    But I am.

    Letting go

    Letting go

    Let it all go

    It's just meaningless really.

    I know Dan, you will have the classic arguments or ignore me.

    But you know what I am talking about.

    You may not want to admit it, but you had to have considered jettisoning it all.

    IMHO, we are totally lost and there is only one way.

    Into the Darkness.

    Hahahaha

    You might hear a goat once in awhile, maybe listen.

    I killed god in my heart.

    And I paid the price.

    Living my own life.

    It is a thing to kill your god, but the god would beg you to if it loved you.

    See Jung and Izdubar in The Red Book.

    We are not one inside, we are many and we have to collude with our aspects to get their agreement to go with the flow and stop fucking our lives up.

    This is how I see and live anyway, you can't be much different than me.

    No system of morality will stand.

    But virtue and quality?

    Those live in me and I bring them to the world.

    There is no objective morality at all.

    Lies

    Lies

    Lies

    **MUAH**
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    Post by dan Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:01 am

    I feel your pain, smelly.  

    You were not born with a golden spoon, or given a golden Princess.

    But I am sure that both of us have experienced the DNoS.  And that makes us pretty much equals, in the eyes of the ‘Lord’.  

    And, yes, the ‘Lord’ is just us on steroids.

    Only difference, 🐥 has gotten his steroid shot, and poor 💩🐐 has not...... you are still in your DNS.  

    For the first twenty years, my steroids were mostly self administered..... until approximately October ‘91, when 🐥 met 🦶.

    Since then, yes, I’ve been cheating.  

    I soon realized that we were experiencing the best possible Disclosure, in which I happened to be a person of interest..... BFD, as we say.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:57 pm

    BFD indeed.

    Well, I do not know what you know or don’t.

    I only know another by their acts.

    I act as I am.

    With no plan.

    I face the darkness alone.

    There is no BPW.

    I will concede our best life is always the one we have.

    If
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    I am what makes the world the best it can be for this.

    Leibniz was wrong about many things and he isn’t here.

    Arrogant he seems to me and stupid.

    The problem with genius.

    You can’t rest in their thoughts.

    Until you are out here my man, I don’t know, you can’t really know anything.

    I don’t cheat.

    No net.

    I’m 100% self made.

    I only know the fine quality in my self.

    I smell it in others.

    I call it forth.

    I am a smelly midwife and Disclosure could use this frank kind of discussion if nothing else to render it meaningless.

    I see why I met you.

    To stand in your way.

    You have not bested me or understood me.

    Only I can do that I know.

    My legion is now behind me as one voice.

    There is no such thing as princesses.

    That is remnant of the master slave story.

    I don’t know what the other weak minded and hearted fools believe or care.

    None of this is about anyone but the one who perceives it.

    No meaning I can give you or anyone.

    And I’m thankful for that.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:58 am

    It does appear that the 🐥 increasingly has the 🐐 on the defensive.  

    The 🐐 wishes to block the truth....... wishes to forestall history....... good luck 🍀 with that, smelly.  


    The lesson today will be on the number of 🌎s.  

    My first point is that if there is more than one 🌎, then, logically, there would be an ♾ of 🌎s..... with or without a Creator.  

    What would a Creator want to do...... the more the merrier?  

    And, if there is more than one Creator, there would be an ♾ of them.  

    Creators would be creating Creators.  

    Does this make any sense?  

    A question then arises........ can a Creator come about spontaneously?  

    Physicists suppose that universes can come about, spontaneously.  

    What would be different in the logic?  

    According to quantum ⚛ mechanics 🧰, an ♾ of virtual particles exist in any finite volume of space.  

    Why not an ♾ of virtual Gods?  Indeed, 🏀💗, we are that.  

    Why is there something, rather than nothing?  We don’t really know, but, if there can be something, there can and will be everything.  

    So why should anyone be a monist rather than a pluralist?  

    Why should there be only one Source?  

    I think is has to do with consciousness and the mind.  

    It also has to do with Leibniz’ principle of the identity of indiscernibles  (PII).  

    Imagine two Creators incommunicado...... who is to say that there are two?  

    Who is to say that there is one....... I am that I am?  I don’t think so.  There has to be a yin and yang ☯ in there, somewhere.  

    That is my proof that there can exist one and only one BPW.  

    All other 🌎s are only imaginary.  


    2........

    But, wait, electrons are identical, yet we suppose there is more than one electron.  

    Well, not if you subscribe to Wheeler’s one electron theory (OET).  

    I don’t subscribe to the OET, I subscribe to the OST..... one soul theory.

    This is the same as saying the only real phenomenon is an observable phenomenon...... which is exactly what Wheeler also said.  

    You might wish to consider...... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-idind/#PII



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:30 am

    That Dan speaks of truth means he is no philosopher.

    If he doesn’t know there is no truth you can easily toy with his limited mind.

    He hasn’t set himself free if he speaks of truth.

    Who does this muppet think he’s dealing with?

    Himself!

    The smelly part.

    I’m talking to the diseased part of mind.

    We gotta take it all or nothing.

    The overlord masters talk of truth.

    Their truth is they are your masters.

    They have mastered nothing and certainly they have no power.

    I love when Dan resists my embrace.

    It’s sexy.

    Of course I play with him like a kitten.

    A smelly goat showed up a better philosopher and discloser.

    Bahahahaha.

    Dan became jealous and mean.

    I do appear to have Dan’s goat.

    Let’s be honest, I got his goat min I got here.

    Let’s also be honest, it’s of course not about you.

    It’s about this here.

    And this here shines like gold.

    But only if you can get through yourself.

    Our muppet Dan
    The muppet with plans
    All will slip through like sand
    Whose strings are pulled by frogs
    While the smelly goat flies with the birds

    Dan the secret to flying is to flap your wings smooth and strong.

    With no doubt, be calm.

    There is no such thing as the sky and earth.

    Just this.

    No good and evil l.

    Just this.

    No aliens or muppets.

    Just this.

    Smelly goats are much better friends in the fox hole than smelly foots.

    No smelly goats or feet either.

    Just this.

    I stand alone in the alone.

    Nothing stands anywhere.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:52 am

    Remember that guy who showed up here.

    He took a poop and said we were talking gibberish code.

    We are talking gibberish, but...

    He had no fortitude or strength whatever.

    No curiosity.

    Pathetic wimp.

    Perhaps you have a hint of what is shining through this?

    If not, you are a moron, which most of us are.

    A world full of talking apes too stupid to collapse into themselves.

    Damn dirty apes!

    Smelly yolk is on your face.

    Remember Kevin and Doug were here?

    Wimps.

    See how this foot is a coward?

    He can’t stand face to face with anything.

    Using proxies, wimp.

    See how the princess hides?

    Wimp.

    We do not hide.

    We BLAZE!


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