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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:50 am

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    Here goes Nothing........

    The Princess is barely talking to me, and I seem to be holding her kid hostage.......

    I guess they’d better send in the SWAT team.  

    Just another typical day in the life of the family..... of any microcosmic family........
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    Links to the BPWH Glossary's 

    The first is to a partial glossary......... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    And at the top of the glossary is the link to one of the several original mnemonic pages, grouped around April of 2016........ https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 . 


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    Post by AtomicBrando Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:57 am

    No problems.

    I told you how to cross.

    Stand up and walk over it.

    I have muppet business to attend to.
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    Post by dan Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:04 pm

    AB,

    You mean that business still goes on as usual, even after the Coming of the Shroom?

    Shrooms have a real hard time talking, even with the help of their acolytes, like Terry.

    Do the Shrooms have nothing intelligible to say about the meaning of existence?  You would think they might be able to find a spokesperson...... but, wait, maybe they have......

    Maybe the Shrooms are also waiting for the impeachment business to be figured out.  


    3:50..........

    What do the Shrooms say about personalism?   Do people play any special role in Creation, or are we just supposed to shut up and let the Shrooms take care of business?  

    Shrooms have been with us since the beginning, they even invented the internet, along with Al Gore.  Did they not help make the Bomb, along with the mushroom clouds, and all that?  

    Are the Shrooms planning to blow us up, and take over finally?  

    There is a Fungus amongus.  

    smelly finally gave up, and went on to sell his mushrooms elsewhere.  What were his parting words of advice to you?  

    Now, don’t get me wrong, psychedelics are a very significant aspect of the portal phenomenon.  

    But you come on as if people should just get out of the way, and let the Shrooms get on with their business...... shut up and compute, they tell us.  

    If the Shrooms want me to stop blogging, they should talk to foot and donny......... they have a similar predilection.  


    4:20.........

    Don’t the Shrooms have anything to say about the Eschaton?  

    They share that lacuna with Chris Straub of the SSCI....... after an informal, chatty lunch engagement with Ron and me....... well, Dan, I guess you’ll just have to surprise us.  

    You can’t say that I haven’t been doing my due diligence, and I’m not quite finished, yet.  


    Yes, in their own way, the Shrooms are telling us to just relax and enjoy the best possible world...... that our alleged free will is the biggest illusion of all.  This is what we learn on the other side...... behind the green door.  

    We learn that we are just like little dinghies on the storm tossed ocean of the collective unconscious.  

    See, I may not be quite as stupid as I look.  

    Until the last one to leave has turned off the lights, we do go through the motions.  I invite any and all to go through the motions with me..... to inspect the troops...... one last time.  

    Then we have only to find the light switch.  I’m thinking it’s in the White House........ a lot of us have that impression...... somewhere behind the bully pulpit....... or one last tweet...... auld lang syne.  

    AB and smelly continue to go through their motions.  They just can’t believe that I am, too...... that I’m just doing my chicken little number.  Does it look unnatural?  

    I can also do the chicken with it’s head cut off routine.  I bet you’d like to see that one.  


    5:20.......

    I believe that the Eschaton clock is ticking.  

    It’s been ticking since Day one.  

    Nothing remotely scary needs to happen.  

    We will automatically adjust our priorities and protocols, when we can clearly see that handwriting on the wall.  

    The handwriting is coming into focus.  The very simple and friendly message just needs to be read out loud.  

    Who would like to volunteer?  

    Well, yes, I have to admit that I have been practicing for the last 43 years, but I could sure use some backup...... just in case.  I mean, I have been thrown under the bus....... you never know when the cement truck will show up.  

    AB, smelly and Ack claim to have the BPW all figured out....... it’s not all that difficult........ but there does seem to be a fair amount of turnover in the #2 spot.  You do have to be on call, 24/7.  

    It’s sort of like being a physician, except you’re a metaphysician.  

    Is all the soliloquy really necessary?  

    Well, that’s not totally clear, but, yes, I’ve been told that the walls do have ears.  

    That may just be to get me out of bed in the morning, but we can never be sure, can we?  


    6.........

    We’ve grown accustomed to having the news come at us, thick and fast.  

    If the news slows down too much, we might get spooked.  

    Folks are already getting tired of impeachment.  

    When will it be time to roll out the visitors?  

    When will it be time to roll out the foot?  

    But wait, what if foot is a visitor?  Maybe that’s the point.  

    Maybe that’s why we have nothing left in the cupboard....... except the cupboard....... which is also the point.   It is a problem of logistics.  Every one knows that there is an 800# gorilla behind the wardrobe.  

    But, hey, it’s a very friendly gorilla.  He only gets out the AK47 if you make him really angry....... or for demonstration purposes.  


    And where are we gonna go with the Richard and Thom show...... with the leak of the century?  

    For how long can we pretend that foot is not in the same room...... waiting patiently?  

    Do we really have to go through Edgar’s waste basket again?  

    I mean, really.  He’s not exactly playing hard to get.  

    I think everyone believes that he must be a decoy.

    Ok, but I think you’ll have to go through the Decoy to get to the McCoy.  And anyway, no one in the government would be sufficiently clever to hide something in plain sight, now, would they be?  

    So here we are sitting around staring at each other....... oh, please, after you, Alphonse.  

    For any self respecting ufologist, it would be really tough to have to admit that the Crown Jewels, the holy grail was just sitting there, in plain sight, almost from the beginning.  

    Nothing like having egg on one’s face.  

    The problem is, haven’t we already looked in every corner?  

    We’re kinda running out of options, it would seem.  

    Or maybe it is the chicken that is the real problem.  I haven’t been thrown far enough under the bus for everyone’s comfort.  Oh, dear, what are we gonna do about them apples?  

    True enough...... the foot is not known for his loquaciousness.  He’s pretty much the opposite of the chicken, in that regard.  

    I only ever got dribs and drabs, with one or two exceptions.  You do have to read between the lines.  

    But he has been before Congressional committees, just not in public.  

    For all we know, he could be sitting in some hearing room, as we speak...... staff members are running around with their heads cut off.

    Maybe we should let Kevin and Doug do their respective jobs....... Hollywood and Broadway.

    That would be a couple of years, minimum.

    Maybe we have that much time...... maybe we don’t.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:52 pm

    You few who are not too stupid, pay attention.

    You will never ever silence the burning ones.

    They are your salvation.

    They can see.

    Dionysus will end your confusion using all the power needed.

    You will never silence or master that voice.

    It’s a failsafe switch, in case all have gone insane, as they are today.

    Just look at your moronic leaders.

    Trump isn’t playing.

    He’s the sociopathic narcissist he appears to be.

    Be fooled or not.

    Rome in a similar way lost the mysteries.

    Nero killed his best.

    Trump and Nero are of the same pattern.

    Nero was poisoned by lead.

    Trump is poisoned by greed and fear.

    It’s a great service to take on our collective insanity.

    My heart aches for Trump.

    He’s an animal at this point.

    Psychedelics would destroy his ego, but he’d never let go.

    Rome gave up its soul for the world and lost both.

    We still wander blind in the desert crying out, curse or blessing, is up to each person to realize.

    Blindness is a great gift.

    The psychedelic god has given you all you need to see the patterns hobbit follows in part.

    Realize the pattern.

    It takes a giant leap into straight on.

    Be poetic.

    Be epic.

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    Post by whoknows Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:10 pm

    AtomicBrando wrote:
    GSB/SSR wrote:If we wish to maintain a middle class lifestyle, the Earth might only be able to sustain 100,000,000 of us.  Look around you..... only 1 out of a 100 of us could be sustained into the indefinite future.  

    What sort of vision is that?


    All good things come to those who go Martian? Almost the BPW? BPW2 the sequel?


    Titan is likely the most habitable spot in the solar system for us other than earth.

    But of course it will be hellish.

    We are going to need to live underground mostly to start.

    Though Dan thinks all that twinkles in the sky is made of cheese.

    I’d guess cosmic farts or indigestion.

    If we went, and if we could even survive the trip, we would be in no shape to dig holes. May as well call the first craft the “Mary Celeste.”
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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:45 am

    whoknows wrote:
    AtomicBrando wrote:
    GSB/SSR wrote:If we wish to maintain a middle class lifestyle, the Earth might only be able to sustain 100,000,000 of us.  Look around you..... only 1 out of a 100 of us could be sustained into the indefinite future.  

    What sort of vision is that?


    All good things come to those who go Martian? Almost the BPW? BPW2 the sequel?


    Titan is likely the most habitable spot in the solar system for us other than earth.

    But of course it will be hellish.

    We are going to need to live underground mostly to start.

    Though Dan thinks all that twinkles in the sky is made of cheese.

    I’d guess cosmic farts or indigestion.

    If we went, and if we could even survive the trip, we would be in no shape to dig holes. May as well call the first craft the “Mary Celeste.”

    We’d send robotic factories and drones first, mine materials and dig things out. If we had the will, we could do it.

    Once we capture some mineable asteroids, we will have the real resources to colonize from space. We have to inch our way out there most likely. Learn to grow food in zero G, find water, which exists all around.

    But we can make cheese on earth. Maybe we live out there a few hundred years until we can really terraform. But we really need to try to learn how to to tend to earth first and our own inner worlds.

    I think there is good evidence we can travel without bodies.

    We have one of the most precious planets and we can’t keep it tidy.

    I suspect life lives in deep space away from gravity worlds, no longer biological. Gravity only allows local memory as described by some mystic kooks. That’s all just conceptualization about what space isn’t really.

    I bet it takes a good 1000 years to get focused as a planet to get out there really.
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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:00 am

    Mycelium are smarter than us.

    In this age, Paul Stamets speaks for them.

    He’s unlocked a lot of ways to communicate with this, intelligence.

    It is speaking to us.

    Guides are raised up and do their green work, the shamans.

    The slime provide the world for us as it is, eat the dead world and make it new.

    In our insanity we are destroying things, but they are helping to balance our insanity.

    We are very mutually dependent now.

    We are in together for the duration and they are more survivable and simple individually. They live in a connected system.

    They provide the neural chemical links between us.

    And they have mucked with our brain chemistry.

    I’m finishing this tome, How to Change Your Mind, excellent survey of all things psychedelic.

    A real force emerges from it all.

    It’s got to be related with the balls of light.

    Who hears them?

    They move through my blood and change my DNA.

    McKenna and Leary lost their shit, bonkers, but others are continuing their work in a more holistic and integrated way.

    Smelly is very fortunate to have found his way to nowhere.

    What a Trip.

    People like Captain Trips move in between.

    One takes just enough to see what they need to.

    To take the experience/trip on as a mission, is I think an error, but I understand having consumed a great deal of entheogens and psychedelics my self.

    They reveal a grand pattern, they reveal.

    We can’t say it just yet.

    We don’t quite have the capacity yet.

    We just have this compulsion, show the others.

    You then share it with weird ones you meet and they share with you.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:25 am

    AB,

    Thank you for the book suggestions.  They help to shed more light on the phenomenon that was smelly.

    What I do not thank you for are your gratuitous opinions on the future of space travel.  

    Such opinions only reflect a total disregard of the topic under discussion.  

    If any such opinions bear the slightest resemblance to truth, then every post of mine on OM should be consigned to oblivion.  

    If you would like to have a serious discussion about the ontology of outer space....... please, be my guest.  

    I suggest you confine your remarks to inner space, and allow ontologists to deal with outer space.  

    Otherwise, please take your opinions to the NASA website.  

    Thank you, in advance, for your consideration.  

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    But, yes,

    smelly firmly believed that Apollo should be consigned to the flames, in favor of Dionysus.  

    This is one way to solve the problems of modernity.  


    11:25.........

    smelly had not the slightest concern for consequences, such as the social meltdown that would result from such sudden neglect of the Apollonian undergirding of modernism.  

    This Apollonian/Dionysian distinction is fairly closely aligned to the left/right brain distinction.  

    To amputate the left side of our brains would, indeed, be a Dionysian solution........
    And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
    Hmmm........ I beg to differ.  

    Personhood comes at a price.  There are those who would drown our sorrows...... or simply wish we had never been born.  

    Are not the portals also offering an escape clause?

    It would be unfortunate if portals were to be seen as such, but that is how many might view them, at first.  

    That is similar to how we envision space....... as an escape valve.

    Imagination is an escape.  Sleep is, too...... not to mention death.

    Even work is often used as an escape.  

    Such are the ambiguous diversions offered by our sapience...... our personhood.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:17 am

    Innerspace is the true frontier.

    I just think it’s cool to shoot off rockets.

    Saying the sky is full of cheese is ontological.

    Because my ego is fairly quiet, you will get no reaction from me regards to your moderation.

    As with all things in this cosmos, balance is the rule of the day.

    Push and pull.

    So Apollo has had a good run, but things are a bit out of alignment with the middle, so forces correct us back.

    Dionysus doesn’t give a shit what order falls or how I guess, that’s why we are here.

    We make it matter.

    We make it hurt.

    It is very apparent if one knows myth and history and listens what is happening.

    We are in the middle of a shift in our conscious awareness.

    On the other side I feel we won’t have law and order any longer.

    Not chaos, just more aware beings who do more with less.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:34 am

    AB,

    Since inner space is often accessed by Dionysian means, it is logical to suppose that it might also be ruled by Dionysus.  I’m doubtful.  

    There are other dimensions in which Apollonian/Dionysian type distinctions prevail, but they may be barely recognizable.  


    Oh, and, generally, I don’t pay much heed to the astronautic ravings of Gary.  He happens to be an unregenerate, unapologetic fan of Mad Max Tegmark.  But he does keep an eye on the ufology and science news for us. Gary is also an experiencer, but seldom mentions that dimension.  


    What we are up against, generally, is the very widespread taboo against metaphysics/ontology, unless it is pursued under narrow academic or sectarian guidelines.  The BPW is necessarily much too unconstrained, in that regard.  

    We are pushing the boundaries of social decorum, especially with the Eschaton.  

    Eschatology, if taken out of its scientific or sectarian wrapping, becomes a matter of national/global security.  

    Thus are we confronted with the phenomenon of foot.  

    smelly was working as a self appointed guardian of social decorum.  He would never even give lip service to the notion of a MoAPS.  

    The foot is our antidote to paranoia. Were he to disappear, I would start looking over my shoulder.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:20 am

    Well, Pan is a wiley one, I know he rules the dreamworld, in a very strange way Wink I’ve met him several times, smelly showed me how. Nothing rules anything really.

    I wouldn’t dismiss the myths outright, not that you are. You have to choose a mode of operation to work with these forces. This is why creativity is required and artists are much better explorer and guides than a science muppet. They reflect the real.

    Imagine Pan’s reaction to eschatology Wink You are dealing with the emotional maturity of a child and a monster in Pan. Eschatology doesn’t feel the right way, for me anyway. My path is in the wild with Pan, I know that now. I gladly go into the deep wood. I’ve spent too much time wild, smelly showed me that too.

    Paul Stamets and Al Hubbard feels like the way, the people and ideas in the book How to Change Your Mind feels like the best way. I’m not a New Ager, but I’m green. I know what the psychedelics can do first hand. I’m not going to push it though. I find people magickally now. We all will be living this way in time. I’m speaking to you from innerspace. You can reach them through Kuhns maybe and Polyani, but they will never accept your eschatology.

    This Caucasian, Jewish and Islamic delusion will evolve, they will need to come out and follow this path smelly and I are dancing on. This is the Dawn and I didn’t totally crack up. Cool. I could even take seeing Cthulhu and shake a tentacle before it ate me. I’m Jonah in the whale’s belly, a great esoteric story actually. But we are still dealing with a child mentality who takes that story literally. The eschatology is for them I guess, not science. You could do eschatology scientifically.

    I poured acid all over everything and found something true. Don’t be so worried how things change. You nor I will or anyone can control that.

    https://youtu.be/zy8dUJEOqos

    The CIA has wet dreams over people like us. Psychedelics surely gave me access to other parts of my brain. Fully functioning human beings are not weapons though and we don’t mean you any harm per se, but this world you made, uh uh. There are other paths and all should be able to explore them and shall. You can never ever contain this fire. You have to learn to work with it. Flow with it. Become a Skydancer and Firedancer, dare I say this is our destiny. I don’t believe in destiny though Wink I don’t believe in anything.


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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:41 am

    AB,

    Well, this rejection of any sort metanarrative is what mystifies me.  

    I understand that time is an illusion, and that the BPW is necessarily embedded in Eternity.  

    However, we humans are embedded in history.  

    You reject history.   Is that not like a fish rejecting water?  

    Any mention of the past or future is simply taboo in the world of mysticism.  The Buddha led the way, in this regard.  

    Many would love for us to simply abolish time.  

    Why then, AB, do you hang around here?  Aren’t we disturbing your slumber of mysticism?  

    Are you hoping that if you pour enough mystical water on us that we will melt?


    2:20..........

    Ok, AB, you’re telling us that you already exist on the other side.

    You come back here, just for auld lang syne.

    This is eschatology without an Eschaton.

    This may be the way that we can all evolve/dissolve back into the Source.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:08 am

    We are the realization of history.

    It mystifies me why you cant live here realized and complete.

    There is no need for eschatology.

    Can’t you feel the wave underneath you?

    We all do.

    Who could deny it?

    Its kinda scary and powerful.

    It just may be we aren’t just lucky there is a sun shining down and ground to walk on and water to drink.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:15 am

    Dan needs to state whether or not he believes the best possible world can be inclusive of other worlds, whether or not they include the moon, Mars, Europa or the deep blue sea -- and of the reality of monsters in the depths ...

    One would think that little chickens might be aware of the redundancy principle of putting one's eggs into multiple baskets (or worlds)?




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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:39 am

    Gary,

    I think you are confused.  

    I don’t deny that there are other worlds for us to explore, on the other side, and much more cheaply than having to build rocket ships.  

    I believe in star gates and star treks, not in rocket ships.  

    They will be accessible to all of us, not to just a few astronauts.  

    Too many folks project their inter-dimensional, transcendental yearnings onto the likes of NASA and Elon.  They will be glad to relieve you of your extra billions.  Is it really worth all that just to kick the dust on Mars?  

    Going beyond Earth orbit is all about this confusion of ontologies.  


    And, Gary,

    If you had any faith in the best possible world, you would not be hedging your bets, would you?  

    Yes, all ye of little faith........ go out and build more rocket ships.  

    It’s the Noah complex........ remind me to tell you the true story of Noah....... the BPW story of Noah.  Long story short, he was part of 144,000 returnees.  


    AB,

    Ok, that subterranean wave is the Eschaton.  

    It’s just a matter of semantics!  

    It’s the movement of the Hive.  The Hive is awakening!  

    We may be the realization of history, but folks are still marrying and burying....... I guess they haven’t got the word from you and smelly.  

    Maybe we should try to get the word out.  

    smelly was very much opposed to getting the word out.  It was against his religion, I guess.  

    smelly had the secret for saving the world...... but we, muppets, just didn’t deserve it.  He was a bit like the Princess, in this regard.  


    Are we lucky to be living in the best possible world.....?

    Yes, I do count my lucky stars every day.  

    Think of those poor folks who were consigned to the second best world.  Maybe we should be sending them care packages.  


    Well, that was supposed to have been a joke...... something like a square circle.  

    It’s more like....... many mansions are my father’s house...... but we are the center ring of the circus.  The rest are accessories..... appendages.  



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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:58 pm

    “Berdyaev combines the eschatological tradition with philosophical achievements and offers an "eschatological metaphysics." He distinguishes eschatology from teleology arguing against teleology, noting that only a "personalist" eschatology can solve the problems of dualism and objectification. Blumenberg differs from Heidegger and Berdyaev by offering a negative evaluation of eschatological belief in the West contending that the modern secular age is the result of a failed eschatology. The conclusion of this work follows Charles Taylor's contention in A Secular Age that "our sense of where we are is crucially defined in part by a story of how we got there." The conclusion is that eschatology, throughout most of Western thought, functioned largely as a background assumption for understanding time and history. The transition from the linear concept of time to a cyclical concept defines in part the modern secular age. The notion of future time is an important and often neglected dimension of hermeneutic understanding.”

    I don’t have any argument really against any position, for all positions are relative and wrong to claim absolutes.

    Life is fluid and a mishmash.

    We have a place in time through our DNA.

    The env guides our evolution.

    Culture and persons reflect what’s underneath through polarities.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:53 pm

    AB,

    Don’t tell me...... are you actually an evolutionist...... dna and the whole bit?

    The manifestation of time is in history, not in biology.

    Are you sure you’re in the right class?  

    This is not Biology 101.  

    And so, as far as you’re concerned, persons could be everything or nothing?

    You’ll just take whatever comes along.



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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:16 pm

    I’m nothing really...just appearing here.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:30 pm

    Are you not a person?
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    Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:11 pm

    I have no real understanding of those words.

    Appears so.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:17 pm

    So then, are you not a personalist....... ie, there is nothing but persons?  

    I’m a personalist, in case you hadn’t noticed.


    11:20...........

    I’m gathering that AB simply does not understand the BPWH.  

    AB is trying to extend smelly’s playbook on how to ignore and/or downplay the fundamental issues raised by the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH).  Obviously, he’s not playing with a full deck.  smelly was rather more knowledgeable and clever at this game.  

    However, I’ll continue to give the benefit of the doubt to AB.  


    12..........

    At this point I’m not able to see any correlation between Impeachment and Disclosure, but I’m still watching. I have no idea how such a correlation might arise. Things remain quiet on the ufo front.



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    So far, it is fair to say that Disclosure has had a negative correlation with Impeachment, and I recently averred that this could be a strategy favoring the concealment side.  

    The ascendancy of modern materialism, over the past four centuries, has been the primary force for concealment.  The perceived ending of this ascendancy must become pervasive for Disclosure to have any political traction.  

    While in this ear to the ground posture, I would be paying very little attention to any poll numbers, which, at best, pick up on the more superficial trends.  

    What I pick up on is the trend toward the inward looking aspect of global nationalism....... which I would see as reversion toward Barfield’s original participation...... in lieu of any metaphysical pointers toward final participation.  

    Perceptions are what are vital to preparing us.......

    The perception of an ending of business as usual is vital.  However, the fact of actually being caught up in a global downward spiral of economic collapse is only going to exacerbate the reversion toward original/tribal participation....... massive fragmentation toward the crudest sorts of identity politics.  

    I see a fairly broad consensus building toward the realization that we are on such a cusp.  

    Any such consensus is liable to be fragile, if it cannot be galvanized rather early in its arc.  

    This must also be or become the arc of Disclosure.  


    11(forum time/gmt-3)........

    Am I nervous about this fragility......?  I am merely watchful.

    This is not the time for free wheeling activism.  

    This is the time to attend to subterranean currents...... one’s dowsing rods at the ready.  


    Impeachment as a strategy favoring concealment........?

    What would be more accurate would be to say that Trumpian politics is full of sound and fury.  

    This wall of sound could easily provide cover for the deeper currents that could relate to Disclosure.  

    This, at least, is my under the bus, worm’s eye perspective.  

    The marrying and burying continues apace....... while the collective unconscious reconnoiters....... akin to a groundhog.  One might wonder what are the vibes being picked up by Ocelot and Ferret on their latest foray to Los Alamos...... or would it be to Sunspot, NM?  I understand there is quite a cache of pornography in them thar hills..... perhaps of the cosmic variety...... portals and such.  


    noon/ft...........

    What now, my love.......
    I walk the night, oh, without a goal
    Stripped of my heart, my soul
    What now, my love, now that it's over?
    I feel the world closing in on me
    Here comes the stars tumbling around me
    And there's the sky where the sea should be

    The time has come," the Walrus said,
    "To talk of many things:
    Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
    Of cabbages--and kings--
    And why the sea is boiling hot--
    And whether pigs have wings."

    I do keep an eye on the academics as they struggle to turn the world inside out......

    We have the panpsychists, the informationalists, the simulation theorists, the Boltzmann brainers, quantum minders, and, last but not least, the immaterialist/non-dualist/monist/neo-platonists, etc, etc........

    And I nearly forgot my favorite...... concave Earth/Hive theory.

    And/or the best possible/small world theory.  

    Yes, all this is the manifestation of an undercurrent running against the tide of materialism.  

    This undercurrent will be captured...... will be focused..... into some form of personalism...... by some person, no less...... some visionary.  

    Are we ready for the MoAPS...... the mother of all paradigm shifts?  

    Will it be spontaneous........ or is a scenario already in the works...... already being entrained/entangled?

    If entrainment there be, I could serve as an example of a possible entrainee......... well, that is a rather weak statement...... just try to find a better example..... better situated..... Princess + 0.



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    I don’t understand anything really.

    I just see the pattern, hell, I am the pattern.
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:01 am

    AB,

    Yes, we are all microcosms.  That is the definition of Personalism.  

    Stick around, you might learn a thing or two about Personalism.


    For now, let’s just say that the entire world is in a supersaturated state of confusion/expectation.  

    The Earth, larva/chrysalis that it is, is on that cusp.  

    Who has the crystal ball that can be the seed crystal of our supersaturation?  

    Do 2&3 still have donny’s ear...... tweet, tweet.....?  


    Tweet........?

    There have been a few mysterious ones.  

    Anyone for covfefe? Others may have slipped through.



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    Post by whoknows Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:30 am

    Dan wrote: Perceptions are what are vital to preparing us.......

    The perception of an ending of business as usual is vital.  However, the fact of actually being caught up in a global downward spiral of economic collapse is only going to exacerbate the reversion toward original/tribal participation....... massive fragmentation toward the crudest sorts of identity politics.  

    I see a fairly broad consensus building toward the realization that we are on such a cusp.  

    Dude you said a mouth full there.

    Thing is, though as you say it is broadly known, I don’t think there will ever be a consensus of reaction to this shift.

    Some are so tight fisted that they don’t care and never will. The majority are blissfully unaware, until it rocks their boat, until then they will not know to care. The rest may just be voices in the wilderness.

    What kind of time frame do you see for this shift, How do you see it playing out?

    This is not the time for free wheeling activism.

    But there is a need for voice. And I fell it need be more than a whisper.

    I’m all in on personalism..
    But I think we need to look to the macrocosm. The microcosm is just a distraction, Trump is nothing more.


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    And how does this fit into a BPC (best possible classroom) ... AI gets personal(ism)



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