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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 7:39 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, am I going to be our best possible God for the Endtimes? ..... is the topic under discussion......

    I say, yes...... and open the topic to discussion......

    1) You may argue there is such thing as God.  

    2)  Were there such a thing, we would have no need of it.  

    3)  You may, of course, put forward another candidate.  

    Etc...... etc......


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    Post by hobbit Mon May 13, 2019 12:27 pm

    "Magnetic fields"

    Wrote Smelly.

    How can I follow something I don't believe exists?

    Magnetic fields are a consequence of?????, as is gravity, as is light.

    I follow the maker of consequences.


    That which believers call god....amazing???



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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 12:30 pm

    smelly,

    2500 years ago was the breakdown of the bicameral mind, we might call it.  We fell into ego (dualistic) consciousness.  I would call that the originating MoAPS.  Since then, we’ve been struggling to put Humpty Dumpty together again.  

    As you point out, there are two paths.......

    1)  the individual, mystical path  

    2)  the popular path

    I would humbly submit that, in this best possible world, 1&2 could be complementary.  Even hobbit might agree.

    We are not throwing ourselves at each other’s feet.  We come, each bearing a gift for the other....... so that our conversation may continue...... right here at the center.  

    And would you resent it, smelly, if some of us were to think of your new found wholeness as an amazing grace?



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    Post by SurfBum Mon May 13, 2019 12:47 pm

    All paths are illusory

    Any path is a dog chasing it's own tail

    If you spin in circles enough you will get dizzy and fall over

    You might even throw up if you persist long enough

    There is no path home because we can never leave home

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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 12:51 pm

    That is true Aaron, but some of have the impression of having been broken on the path.  

    All of us learn how to suffer...... we signed up for it.

    Each of the broken ones may respond to a different message. There are two main messages...... the mystical and the popular.

    Can we not combine these two messages in creative way?



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    Post by SurfBum Mon May 13, 2019 12:57 pm

    indeed

    strikes and gutters happen
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    Post by hobbit Mon May 13, 2019 1:01 pm

    Aaron wrote:All paths are illusory

    Any path is a dog chasing it's own tail

    If you spin in circles enough you will get dizzy and fall over

    You might even throw up if you persist long enough

    There is no path home because we can never leave home




    Spin is the way home.




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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 1:02 pm

    Aaron,

    Combining these two messages is what we are attempting........

    All three of you have seen aspects of the other side, in way that many of the rest of us have not.


    hobbit,

    Yes, I think you scored a few points with the whirling Dervishes.  
    ..........


    Aaron........

    Yes, we can be born again without leaving home, but it is a bit unusual.  

    When we are lost, we can discover ourselves for the first time.
    ...........


    Yes, Aaron,

    We’ll know what we need to know, when we need to know it.

    And I need not feel compelled to remain silent.


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    Post by SurfBum Mon May 13, 2019 1:03 pm

    We can't stop spinning but we can recognize the futility in looking for something more than what is

    Whatever message needs to be communicated will be communicated when needed

    Nothing can be forced


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    Post by hobbit Mon May 13, 2019 1:11 pm

    Aaron wrote:We can't stop spinning but we can recognize the futility in looking for something more than what is

    Whatever message needs to be communicated will be communicated when needed

    Nothing can be forced


    https://www.cosmic-core.org/free/article-105-physics-aether-units-part-10-harold-aspden-walter-russells-cube-sphere/

    Spin in a cube....
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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 1:26 pm

    hobbit,

    I was in Swannanoa, just a few weeks ago, looking for Walter’s house.  It is in a fairly drastic need of fixing up.  

    And, yes, at last, we all seem to be on the same page..... with cosmic consciousness.  

    Perhaps we can each draw up a chair, and sit around the fire of this consciousness....... even where some of us think of it as an amazing grace.  


    Aaron,

    And how do we stop looking for something more?  

    Why not....... merrily, merrily, we row our boats, gently down the stream.......?  

    smelly speaks to confusion.  

    Science and religion........ each adds to our confusion.  But each can also expand our minds and bring solace.  

    There is a great deal of potential complementarity..... floating about.

    Humans have a great capacity to comprehend..... given certain cues and clues.  

    As 99 suggested this morning...... can’t we imagine having a greater harmony?

    How could the world become more disharmonious?  

    Why is there such a startling appearance of disharmony?  

    Might it not have something to with our (small world) implosion?  Suddenly, we are in each other’s faces.  

    The entanglements we have do not all appear benign.

    How can we untangle some of the snarls, without resorting to the sword of Damocles...... or is it wu wei and zen?


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    Post by SurfBum Mon May 13, 2019 1:32 pm

    compelling others to silence is oxymoronic

    we can sit around the fire and chat

    I enjoy the company of Gods, Hobbits, and dumb talking donkeys all the same

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    And how do we stop looking for something more?  

    I don't know.

    Looking for something more is part of our nature it seems.

    I have no mission to stop us from looking for something more.

    If I had such a mission than I would be looking for something more.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 13, 2019 2:26 pm

    hobbit wrote:"Magnetic fields"

    Wrote Smelly.

    How can I follow something I don't believe exists?

    Magnetic fields are a consequence of?????, as is gravity, as is light.

    I follow the maker of consequences.


    That which believers call god....amazing???



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    Just using clumsy words, sorry to try to define you.

    I can’t do that.

    I don’t even know what I am reallyz.

    I’m certainly not taking any talking monkeys words for this here.

    I’ll use my own or none.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 13, 2019 2:40 pm

    Yes, breakdown is what I meant.

    I wouldn’t say new found wholeness, just ground of my own being.

    It is amazing, but I can’t call it grace.

    It’s just what it is.

    I don’t have any words for here.

    Here’s a story.

    We had to write down the old voice to not forget it.

    So the words we have from 2500 years ago are closest maybe to our one mind.

    We were maybe to use the words as a bridge or a light through dark spaces.

    Or it was just what happened and the one shattered or we all emerged into many as a next step, toward what, shrug.

    Providing reasons and answers is what I can’t hold onto.

    No questions or answers.

    You can dismiss me or contend with me.

    God would have to contend with me.

    What I’m saying Dan is not that there are two ways, there is only this, reality.

    And then there are the fictions we imagine about this.

    You persist in fiction until you see through it.

    Most never do.

    I do not promote mystical experience.

    I don’t share my own any longer.

    But it was part of my experience.

    A true teacher does not give you anything.

    They have no answer or secret.

    They are expert at removing chains only.

    Because they have removed their chains.

    Visions may just be a way to visualize or think about reality and maybe are like whispers from the One mind.

    It doesn’t matter because we are here and none of us are getting out of here alive, so relax.

    It was very clear from the Zen(Maybe are like the Sufis of Buddhism with less bullshit, an intuitive school) and Taoist and Stoics how to live in time, just live in ordinary life, abide in your time completely.

    We don’t have to become nihilists or humanists or any kind of ist.

    Be skeptical of everything and honest about what you know and then things become very simple.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 13, 2019 3:18 pm

    Sharpen your sword and cut at the root of your own ignorance.

    It is the only way to release beliefs ultimately I have found.

    There is no right combination of words about this that wins over the rest.

    If the breakdown of the bicameral mind resulted in all these dualistic words, putting it back togther may make most of those words if not all of them superfluous.

    I feel the words only as moons or planets orbiting the central sun of being.

    I’d be done with them.

    Epictetus reminds me of this though.

    “Music makes my point most obviously: attend a music lesson, and you will think it involves the most monotonous training of all. But the results please and entertain everyone.

    In our school, we picture the philosopher’s goal more or less as follows: bring the will in line with events, so that nothing happens contrary to our wishes and, conversely, nothing fails to happen that we want to happen. Pursue it, and the reward is that neither desire nor aversion will fail in their aims.”

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    Music and lyrics for the eschaton

    Consciousness and unconsciousness The boundary is pointless
    Ha I understand
    Beyond common sense, love of the extreme
    I'll teach you now
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    No matter who you are
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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 5:02 pm

    Yes, smelly, what are we going to do about the doomer?  

    What is it that is doomed?  The boom is doomed.  

    Nietzsche saw this rather early.  He probably foresaw the advent of the high school shooter.  

    You see serenity in the depths of acceptance of the boomer and the doomer.  I believe you.  

    In wanting anything more, aren’t we being greedy?  

    I’m recommending philosophy as the panacea...... more words, you say.  Don’t we already have enough?  

    Without the Princess and the portals, am I doomed...... are we doomed?  

    What of the preachers calling for death to the infidels..... the tyrants calling for death to the protesters?  Do we look for peace in the depths of acceptance?  

    And how deep are those depths?  

    You have plumbed those depths more than me........ more than many.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 13, 2019 6:24 pm

    I know the doomer, but I never was one.

    I can only say I am not lost in gloom and doom or my imagination.

    I’m not pissed or depressed and I don’t make many waves.

    A perfect citizen?

    I am not so simple to think someone who has let the answers go would not be a helpful person to others seeking answers..

    That person will attract attention just by not being deluded.

    So you learn to wear a mask to keep hidden as needed.

    I don’t have anything to say really, but here, about others’ religion or none.

    I only did for my self ultimately.

    And all I did is stop telling my self stories.

    I know how angry one can become when they can’t control others.

    We don’t seek control.

    We control nothing.

    We don’t need to control.

    This is how one aligns with he way things are.

    Trump is pissed the world doesn’t do as he likes.

    Same for the saint or infidel.

    The authoritarian seeks controls.

    This is insane.

    You just have to suffer it.

    You just have to suffer all of it without changing it.

    Letting my delusions go helps all around me.

    All rises when the weights are dropped.

    I don’t know what the answer is for the doomer.

    The boomer wants the good life.

    An illusion, the earth groans under the weight of our will.

    I’d agree with the doomed and ask what are you going to do about it pussy?!

    Reality ain’t for wimps.

    It isn’t all happiness and bliss.

    Those become idols.

    It’s raw and here and it hurts and sometimes it feels so amazing.

    There isn’t anywhere to go.

    Live with it, don’t give up.

    I can only be honest and open about what my search yielded.

    I can fart on the pretenders.

    Is this not helping?

    I’m not lying to my self or anyone else.

    That’s good enough.
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    Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 8:17 pm

    Am I being dishonest, smelly, to profess a hope or a faith, or to trust a love?  

    Can we truly live without a hope?  

    There is no escape, you say.  

    But, in the depths of the psyche, is there not the premonition of transcendence?  

    Does not the unity of consciousness hold the promise of a cosmic unity?  

    Is it bad luck to speak of such hope?  

    We share our fears.  Can we not share a hope?  

    Is there no Source?  

    Could the Stoics, the Zen or the Tao not have missed something?  

    Whatever happened to agape and eros?  

    Do we truly leave no trace........ no footprinYts even?  

    What is the love or faith that demands proof?  

    I think we may suffer future shock.  It can disorienting.  

    Hope is a lie we tell ourselves to keep ourselves going.  

    Hope is a fairytale for children.  

    What is a hope that demands proof?  Hope may refer to the future, but it springs from the present.  

    We risk disillusionment.  Is it worse to have hoped and lost than to have never hoped at all?  

    There are mystics and religionists who look to the sky everyday.  Are they fools....... fools in hope.  We are in pain, and hope that the pain might end.  It might not.  

    We can embrace our suffering, and often do. It may be an essential part of our identity.

    Think of all the scribbling on the internet...... all the lonely people, writing songs for nobody.

    Would we rather succeed at something that’s going to fail, or fail at something that is going to succeed? There is a difference.

    Is life going to fail? It fails for everyone. It doesn’t quite feel that way, however. Is life a flash in the pan? I wonder if anyone can truly believe that? I find it difficult, myself.



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    Post by dan Tue May 14, 2019 7:03 am

    Ok, sports fans, here’s the claim, as informed by the smelly one........

    Each one of us has total access to cosmic consciousness, 24/7.  

    True, this access is seldom realized...... but, whoever can make this claim stick, historically, will be the (de facto, personal) God of the Endtimes, aka. the Second Coming, etc.   

    This claim depends crucially on the small world hypothesis...... quantitatively finite, qualitatively infinite.  

    Any questions?  Nolo contendistis?  Quod erat demonstrandum.  

    If I still had the Princess by my side, this would have been a slam dunk.  As it is, I’m making do with smelly....... the reluctant one.  


    11:35........

    Is this latest claim going to be smelly proof........ will it pass the smell test?  

    I’m waiting with bated breath.  I so much want to be God!  

    Please, smelly, please....... let me be God..... just for a day......

    Yes, smelly, you could make my whole day.

    I’ll make it up to you....... somehow......



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    Post by SurfBum Tue May 14, 2019 8:55 am

    Dan makes a much better God than smelly

    But I can't say whether that's an insult or a compliment

    Smelly makes a better Old Master however

    If God and Lau Tzu had a battle I'd put my money on Lau Tzu any day of the week

    Just sayin'

    Logos can only get you so far....
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    Post by dan Tue May 14, 2019 9:23 am

    Aaron,

    If the Logos can get us through the day, we should be forever grateful.  

    Better God......?  Almost anyone could have been, but I have dibs on the Princess..... so there.

    And what’s so special about Lau Tzu?  His timing was way off.

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