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Post by dan Fri May 03, 2019 7:39 am

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Ok, am I going to be our best possible God for the Endtimes? ..... is the topic under discussion......

I say, yes...... and open the topic to discussion......

1) You may argue there is such thing as God.  

2)  Were there such a thing, we would have no need of it.  

3)  You may, of course, put forward another candidate.  

Etc...... etc......


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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 6:56 am

The Mutations caused by cosmic rays........? 

One of the experiments in the college physics lab was to measure the influx of ionizing radiation, generally in the form of muons being created in the upper atmosphere by cosmic rays.  

The most energetic cosmic rays are emitted in gama ray bursts (GRBs) from distant galaxies.  

How, in the best possible small world, do I rationalize the birth defects allegedly being caused by cosmic rays from the other side of the universe? 

Before rationalizing cosmic rays, I would have to rationalize birth ‘defects’, such as those caused by Thalidomide..... no mean feat.  

In the best possible world, there are no accidents..... no defects.  When that mosquito is pestering you at night...... make no mistake, that pestering was arranged in the ‘bowels’ of Eternity.  Are you being pestered by a demon or an angel?  

You are being pestered by the best possible demon.  

With ‘cosmic mistakes’, we are being put on notice....... thou shalt not take the best possible world for granted.  

The mother with the baby ‘touched by an angel’...... is she being punished?  

She is being rewarded.  She is being challenged to transcend the ordinary.  

Should she not have had an abortion?  Some mothers might..... some might not.  There is bound to be anguish, either way.  

We have come a long way from ufos, baby...... but that’s where it all started, isn’t it?  

I’m may not be the best rationalizer in Chief...... but it may be good enough for gummint work.  


10:30(ft/gmt-3)......... 

My claim, finally, is that mothers being challenged to transcend is the ultimate cause of the cosmic chirps detected in the collision of black holes....... that being a major source of GRBs.  

Yes, the expectant mother has the universe by the tail...... didn’t we already know this?  

If you’re taking an astronomy course in college, I recommend that you keep this bit of Truth to yourself.  You are welcome, however, to start blogging.  

This is just Teleology 101.  

When will teleology ever be taught......? 

This is a whole ‘nother story....... 


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Disclosure = Teleology 101. 

This is a fair definition, I believe.  

Should we be holding our breath?  

Should we be rushing into teleology?  

Should we be storming the gates of Heaven?  

Bill is my canary in the coal mine of Disclosure.  

Bill is not convinced that I’m the best possible God for the Endtimes. 


1:45......... 

Yesterday, I made a social call to the neighbors across the street.  

These are five Kuwaiti ‘cousins’.  All are undergraduate engineering majors.  They all have late model, finely ‘tuned’ mustangs, still registered in West Virginia.  They are currently celebrating Ramadan with a dozen or so of their friends.  

Yesterday, I was introduced to the notion of the 73 sects of Islam.......
It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).

Everyone else is kafir.......
Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene – but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called ‘pure’ or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue?
These last two quotes are from the Center for Inquiry...... a secular humanist organization based in the US.  

Here is a quote from the author.......
We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur’an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity.



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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 11:45 am

I have to say, it’s nice not to need to have any more explanation of phonomena than their appearance.

An apocalyptic cult like christianity is no better.

I’d be a humanist if not for awareness of awareness.

To let fairy tales go was really something.

The fairies come and whisper so many lies in your ear.

Angels or Daimons, just the voice of mother perhaps.

Irrelevant to me here.

Religions for me are all imagination.

Thoughts are all imagination.

The world is made from imagination.

Progress is imagination.

There is no error in it or good.

But imagination occurs here.

And what is here is all there is for us.

All the speculation is distracting from living our lives here.

Interesting that the why of life no longer matters to me.

At all.
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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 12:40 pm

Ok, smelly,

What story are you going to tell the Muslims when they come to kill you as an infidel?

What should I tell my neighbors across the street?
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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 12:55 pm

Let us consider ourselves then as talking monkeys with imagination who invented God.

This then in our minds, just a transcendtal social mind which lives in our imagination?

What is imagination in relation to what is here now?

Imagination lets us travel the past and future.

The more you seek after things, the more they run away.

Is nature not pure imagination?



I don’t study imaginations of others.

I inquire into my self and world I am a part of.

How does one not religious relate to a religious person?

Just have to feel it out.


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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 1:03 pm

You are back to playing dumb, smelly.  

You did not answer my very simple question.

You are, in effect, saying that when the religious wars start you, and presumably the rest of us, should introspect harder.

How about an ounce of prevention? What might we do now to decrease the likelihood of a future religious war.


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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 1:09 pm

Be who you are, nothing more or less.

Be aware and feel what to do in the moment.

Don’t embellish ordinary mind with imaginary stories and things are simple.

If others do, maybe sometimes you smack them, maybe sometimes you hug them, maybe sometimes you nod your head and just just go along with it.


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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 1:12 pm

smelly,

This is what you’re not getting.......

I’m in the moment now of reducing religious intolerance, and you are refusing to help.

No...... the fact is that you are actively hindering my attempt on OM to reduce intolerance.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 1:15 pm

I am not trying to help or not.

“I’m reducing...”

That’s delusion.

Claiming to be a prophet or god does this?

Talking to Muslims about Jesus does this?

You aren’t doing anything.

I’m talking to you, not Islam.

Be direct.

Being who you are happens to be some of the best words I’ve come across.

Being your self with no religion seems like one way to calm the deluded.


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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 1:19 pm

I’m asking you to help protect our families from religious intolerance, right now.

And you can do this by talking to me as another human being.

.... by imagining that we are two people try to have a conversation about intolerance.


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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 1:20 pm

I am talking to you only as a human being, not a delusional talking monkey.

I am not using stories to speak with you.

I am directly facing you.

We can only better understand each other.

If we can do this, then you can do so with others.

You actually are the intolerant one.

You insist on delusional stories of the mind to solve imaginary problems.

I can’t help you with imagination, so I’ll shut up now.


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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 1:23 pm

I just called you, Eric, and you are not picking up the phone.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 1:24 pm

I don’t want to imagine with you how to solve imaginary problems.

I’ll shut up.
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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 1:26 pm

Tell us a problem that is not imaginary.

Tell us something we can talk about.

Tell us why you are here, at OM.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 1:29 pm

If you can pick up on it, I have given you one approach to facing prophets of imaginary stories.

I consistently insist on and demonstrate this.

Relate to each other as human beings in our shared pain and joy and all else that happens to us.

Drop the imaginary stories and problems.

I am here saying, no problemos.

I say that based on my life and self inquiry.

The problems of others are imaginary.

We can insist on direct dealing between each other or any other appearing human being.

The other can chose to insist on stories.

Nothing needs to be said or not.

We are just here barking.
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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 1:36 pm

Humans claim to have problems.  

You claim to have no problems.

How should I relate to someone who has no problems?

My problem is that I don’t know how to relate to you.  

You keep saying that nothing needs to be said.  

But here you are, continuing to say nothing.  

You say that you are just barking.

How can I persuade you to stop barking on my thread?



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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 2:41 pm

I was just barking.

I said nothing.

I’ll stop barking now.

Sorry God.
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Post by dan Sun May 12, 2019 2:57 pm

After a half hour conversation with smelly, I prophesied that he would become my second Second Coming.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun May 12, 2019 3:51 pm

And for the record, you asked a question in the thread.

I said, what need of God and you don’t like my answer.

So we can disagree, you don’t have to be like, why are you here talking.

That’s a cop out to just dismiss what is here before you and say no no let me have my story.

If you deal with me, you can join me, or I will make you confess you are just sticking to your own story, which is fine.

I am not sticking to any story.

If you want to be the endtimes god, act like it or be prepared to be laughed at.
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Post by hobbit Mon May 13, 2019 5:17 am

dan wrote:Ok, smelly,

What story are you going to tell the Muslims when they come to kill you as an infidel?  

What should I tell my neighbors across the street?  


Exactly the same as to any BELIEVER.

Snap out of the indoctrination .

I have avoided this thread due to the ridiculousness of anyone thinking there is a god, or worse still thinking they are god.

Tell Your neighbours they are been played like puppets, as are all believers, and their stupidity is been used by business leaders to pit one set of mugs against the other set of mugs whilst they make the guns for both sides.




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Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 7:42 am

hobbit,

You use the word BELIEVER as if it was a dirty word.  

What do you believe, hobbit?  

You hide behind a shell of scientific cynicism.  

I have probed behind your cynicism, and all kinds of interesting beliefs pop out.  

You live in a glass house, hobbit...... my advice is that you not throw stones.  

How is a civil order to be maintained in your scientific paradise?

Will it be the law of the jungle...... might makes right?  If not...... how not?

What you, and most moderns, fail to understand is that scientific materialism/literalism is the most dangerous belief system in the world, today.  While providing us with toys, science robs us of our humanity.  Wake up, and smell the coffee, hobbit.  


smelly,

What we agree on is that scientific materialism is a false belief system, especially when it comes to understanding ourselves.

We agree that can rise above our petty material concerns.


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Post by hobbit Mon May 13, 2019 8:20 am

dan wrote:hobbit,

You use the word BELIEVER as if it was a dirty word.  

What do you believe, hobbit?  

You hide behind a shell of scientific cynicism.  

I have probed behind your cynicism, and all kinds of interesting beliefs pop out.  

You live in a glass house, hobbit...... my advice is that you not throw stones.  

How is a civil order to be maintained in your scientific paradise?

Will it be the law of the jungle...... might makes right?  If not...... how not?

What you, and most moderns fail to understand is that scientific materialism/literalism is the most dangerous belief system in the world, today.  While providing us with toys, science robs us of our humanity.  Wake up, and smell the coffee, hobbit.  




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I don't BELIEVE in any shite at all.
This scientific/material world can go to bollocks.


I am determined to better comprehend what I experience, and it shows quite clearly that all is one.

It is a jungle We are part of, and We should not be trying to be masters of it, instead We should be at one with it, nature will provide the brakes and balances.

But the true nature of creation will lead to a vast alteration in how humans behave, especially to each other.

BELIEF in false crap has caused where We are.


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Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 8:53 am

hobbit,

1)  You believe that science only gives a partial understanding of the world.  

2)  You believe that humans will be able to comprehend the unity of creation.  

3)  You believe that there will be a vast alteration in our understanding of creation and our place within it.  I refer to this ‘vast alteration’ as the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).  

4)  You believe that we should be one with nature.  

Yes, I believe in all of these things, too.  

I believe I have demonstrated that these beliefs are the only ones that make any sense.  

No one, who claims to be fair minded could disagree with you and me.

Maybe smelly will try to disagree...... let’s see......

Let’s anticipate what smelly will try to take exception to......

Of course, smelly reserves the right to not believe anything, and to simply exist in the flow...... well, conversations do flow, and I had an hour’s conversation with him just the other day.  

smelly and you disagree on whether or not I could be God.  

smelly, at least, does not find the proposition absurd, as you apparently do.  

Both you and smelly seek a unity with creation.  So do I.  

Many folks, often pantheists, believe that the world = God.... and/or God = world......  simply by definition...... trying not to get hung up on semantics..... while we attempt to smooth our differences.

All three of us believe that we are not living up to our human potential to be One with the World.  

As far as we know, animals always have been One with Nature.

But, somehow, we, humans, fell off the apple cart.

We all agree that our falling out with Nature is an essential part of religion.  

Ok, so far, so good......

But here is a potential sticky wicket......

It has to do with the definition of Nature......

Scientists have a definition of Nature.  We all believe that the scientific definition of Nature is radically incomplete.  

We agree that nature contains vital, even animated, forces, which many of us are unable to recognize..... using normal waking consciousness.  

All three of us have developed different ways of seeing through and beyond ‘normal’ consciousness.  

Each of us is seeing different aspects greater unity of nature.

Each of us believes that every person has the potential to partake of this greater unity.  


1.........

But here is where we differ, perhaps radically.......

I understand that, in the natural course of events, everyone of us will realize that potential.  

I’m an optimist, and you are skeptical.... of my optimism.  

Now, we can talk about Nature/God.........

I believe that Nature has the whole world in her hands.  

I believe that Nature does not make mistakes.  

I believe that Nature would not create something, just in order to discard it.  

Nature has a reason for everything....... every hair on our heads is numbered...... hobbit believes in numbers.  

I also believe that both hobbit and smelly would like to be optimists, but you see much evidence for pessimism.

Allow me to anticipate that smelly will deny the concepts of optimism and pessimism...... perhaps I should have mentioned this earlier.



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Post by smelly da goat Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 am

Fair enough Dan, agree on materialism.

Materialism is one way of seeing.

I don’t deny science.

I am here being.

I can’t say I know what oneness is.

Our particles are entangled.

That’s a direct way of seeing.

If hobbit is following the magnetic fields, another way of seeing.

As far as the visions and voices inside our heads.

They come and go, but we are always here being and breathing.

What are they but distractions?

I can say from experience that 2 and 3 above can be experienced, not believed.

It can happen right now, anytime someone opens themselves to the full experience of being.

One of the topics I like to discuss Dan, is the nature of belief.

Likes and preferences though for me though is dualism.

I don’t think we can have an authentic conversation about belief whiteout discussions about dualism and nondualism.

Nondualism is the dissolution of the subject object distinctions falsely created by Mind.

Are these distinctions true or false?

Is there a dualism and nondualism?

I would find it silly to discuss a person being god or one with everything.

The unconscious is much more chaotic and non-linear, it feels timeless.

It speaks in images and symbols.

Is our consciousness just a rider of this body, like a horse?

Are we receiving or transmitting?

Maybe doing both all the time.

We must tread carefully in the land of imagination.

Know it’s a story.

Be careful not to be distracted by learning to focus to a point.

We can only discuss our experience with each other.

God is not the point here, this is.

Just this.
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Post by dan Mon May 13, 2019 10:41 am

Ok, smelly,

And what is this?  

I say that ‘this’ is OMF, owned by Cyrellys Geibhendach.  

This is where open minded people, like you and me, hang out, in the hopes of smoothing out apparent conflicts.  

You and I agree that persons, among all else, are entangled to the degree that our separate existences are illusory.  

‘I’ happen to be under the illusion that this ultimate entanglement has the potential to be demonstrated in an historically unprecedented fashion, and that this demonstration is an essential feature of this eventuality.  

This is the essence of my ‘optimism’.  

I would find it silly to discuss a person being god or one with everything.

The unconscious is much more chaotic and non-linear, it feels timeless.

It speaks in images and symbols.
 My response to this, smelly, is to move toward the light.  

Our entire sojourn on Earth is to teach us how to make this move.  


2:40..........

When I refer to our sojourn, I’m speaking both individually and collectively.  

Each of us is an aspect of God....... and so are the animals, hobbit, but not in such a personal manner.  

On Earth, we are strung out, all over the place....... rather chaotic.

But, as we make the ascent back home, it helps to be on some sort of rope line. That way, we’re less likely to slip into a cravasse.

(cont........)
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Post by smelly da goat Mon May 13, 2019 12:12 pm

I would invite you to the light of this here.

I cannot move Dan, I am here.

There is no where to go.

About 2500 years ago something happened in consciousness, in the west and east.

This is where to look in history.

Christianity and Islam were pop religions comparatively, that come 500-1000 years later.

Taoism, Zen, Buddhism and Stoicism a little later, were born or written down for the first time 500-300 BCE.

If you want to talk about history, why do you insist on an obvious noble lie?

500 BCE seems to have been an awakening out of delusion.

Perhaps when the bicameral mind finally separated.

What happens here is still happening.

I have explored the Zen realization in my life and I concur.

I see how Christianity was just a patchwork religion.

I feel the way is to move beyond religion.

To be honest with what we see here and know and don’t know.

Just this.

You say that is being like the animals, with no thought.

I can’t relate any other experience than the one I have.

I won’t imagine another.

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