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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:37 pm

    “Whenever our love becomes too attached to one thing, one faith, one virtue then I become suspicious...

    A long time I castigated myself before gods and laws which were only idols for me. That was what I did wrong, my anguish, my complicity in the world’s pain. I increased the world’s guilt and anguish by doing violence to myself, by not daring to walk toward my own salvation.

    The way to salvation leads neither to the left or to the right: it leads into your own heart and there alone is God and there alone is a peace.”

    —Hermann Hesse

    Dan and his friends make me very very very suspicious, but that’s their game.

    I would follow Hesse’s example.

    Always always always play your own game.

    Don’t steal others’ toys.

    Let anyone play with you.

    If someone doesn’t want to play, move on.
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    Where there is a way there is a limitation.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:26 pm

    Yes, I believe that I hear you, smelly and Aaron, but.......

    History is not quite finished. We accept all limitations.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:17 pm

    Play your own game and don't steal others toys.

    That's a good lesson for the day.

    Unless we accept all limitations as they are, we are still stuck in the world of limitations.

    There is one lesson that all other lessons stem from, that is to be fully present here and now and to be mindful of the subtle way of no way and spontaneous free non action.

    Practice this and all else will fall into place.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:07 pm

    Aaron,

    What you may not understand about the BPWH is that it is powered by the Coherence theory of Truth (CohTT).  It’s rival is the Correspondence theory of Truth (CorTT).  

    The mere possibility of visitors is highly unlikely under the aegis of the CorTT.  The CorTT assumes materialism or dualism.  

    The CohTT coheres with personalism, immaterialism, the BPWH, etc.......

    We put all our eggs in that basket.  There is none other.  

    The motive force of existence is the I AM/WE ARE.  

    WE ARE is a team sport.  The Earth is our level playing field..... more or less.  

    We are the Incarnations of the WE ARE on Earth.  We are the Visitors of the Creator within Creation.  

    Now this........
    Jus learned that Kashmir's DNA is changing - becoming more like that of the Princess.
    Hmmm.........

    Impossible......?!

    Well........ not completely...... not if we don’t believe in atoms.

    ....... I’m on the train back to Baltimore.......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:15 pm

    The story lines aren’t that important after the message has been received.

    You can get to the bottom of most of our Western Civilization and how your mind works if you look.

    It is so valuable to study and then relive myth.

    This is the value of the graphical symbol.

    Again, you have to do the work.

    It is the dance of time and the changeless within ourselves that is illuminated by Awareness.

    We aren’t arguing a position or philosophy Dan.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:32 pm

    smelly,

    Those of constrained by time may benefit, if we can see the bouncing ball.

    It’s no biggie, but some might take comfort to know that this is the greatest story ever told.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:38 pm

    I am not concerned with any truth but my own.

    My own truth is very very simple and it's main purpose is to maximize peace within and around this moment that is being experienced now.

    The source of peace is silence and relaxed focus on what is now now now.

    No plans and no rush, both go against nature's way and against maximizing peace.

    I am not concerned about DNA changing.

    Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. It doesn't really change what is really important.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:10 pm

    Comfort, hmmm, I don’t remember this journey being very comfortable, it can’t be comfortable.

    The world doesn’t need anymore fat and lazy muppets.

    Just my opinion.

    But there is warmth when you need it, by the fire.

    This time is like the Black Death at the beginning of the Renaissance.

    We have a social contagion now that is killing the old and bringing the new world.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:43 pm

    Now, I’m told that the visitors have arrived at the lake.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:08 pm

    Dopy was my favorite dwarf.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:12 pm

    Bwahaha

    They mixed blood with honey and it turned into Mead.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:50 pm

    In time he arose, but he did not disclose, for an apple had fallen on his toes. A Small World he said, as another fell on his head, and then off he went to bed. There is much to be told, for a Discloser who is bold, and who need not wait to be told. Forget all the fake, it is time for a break, for a Visitor is now at the Lake.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:37 pm

    Well, it does seem that we might get a bit of resolution to this saga, in the near term.  

    We can be grateful for that.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:42 pm

    You people are adorable.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:58 pm

    The Discloser has lost all face, again failing to represent the human race, instead of going to the base, of the Discloser there will be no trace.
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:00 pm

    Relax.

    I meant it in a sincere way.

    Children are adorable and such is the kingdom of heaven.

    "That is not dead which can eternal lie,
    And with strange Aeons even death may die"
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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:03 pm

    Is the Visitor Uriel, Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael?

    Or maybe one of Kelly's demons.

    Or perhaps it is just a fart manifesting from Smelly's subconscious.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:11 pm

    We have waited two millennia. Maybe we can wait one more day, so that I don’t have to break a date with Debbie. She has been very patient with me.
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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:14 pm

    Dan,

    Happy wife, happy life.

    Or should we say, "Happy wife, best possible life."
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:24 pm

    Who knows, maybe, I am a dumb goat full of air.

    We are all running from the hollowness we all feel inside.

    So we get everything upside down and back to front.

    Sophistication is not a predictor of maturity.

    Keep it simple.

    We are repetitious looking for meaning in all the wrong places.

    It takes a tremendous focus and immense intensity to break through the wall of appearances.

    Most are content to paint their prison cell walls different colors and have a TV and some exercise.

    It is the repititous longing and quickening that we all have that calls out.

    To keep to a line of utter simplicity turns out to be so difficult.

    It’s easy to turn left or right, but a whole other thing to go straight on.

    The appearances seem to marshall against us, but what are they?

    **POOF**

    No appearance could ever be an obstacle.

    They are help on the long long road.

    Everything now seems to speak with the voice of my longing.
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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:30 am

    If you read the Puritans you will not only experience a stretching of your vocabulary, but you may (every now and then) see overlap with the general contours of the BPWH.

    Keep it Simple Stupid?

    "If wantonly curious, superciliously insolent, tumultuantly mutinous, corrupt human reason (ambitiously affecting to take up and comprehend the great abyss, the shoreless, bottomless and incomprehensible ocean of the decrees and providence of God within its own little and shallow cockle-shell capacity) would suffer itself to be sobered and becalmed into a humble and just consideration of things, all those high and haughty reasonings and debatings against the unalterable fixedness of the last term of man's natural life, and against the immutability of His decrees in reference to their spiritual and everlasting state, would quickly be let fall. For then it would easily see the great congruity and pleasing suitableness that is in subjecting all, particularly the rational creatures (being but derivative and borrowed bits of being from that first fountain and original being, that being of beings), in all the events that befall them, and in all their motions, acting and operations, according to their respective natures, entitatively, morally or graciously good, and all the adhering anomies (lawlessness), ataxies (disoders), and vitiosities (defects) of them, to the majesty of the most high God, as to His efficient producing of the one, and as to His permitting, bounding, ordering and directly of the other to His own holy and blessed ends; without being justly chargeable with any of the least culpable accession to them; who is by the most absolute perfection of His purest nature, infinitely removed from all possibility of being reach by any tincture or touch of pollution." - James Durham
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am

    Thank you, dd and smelly.  Yes, heaven can wait....... one more day.

    This is not a stand off.  No, no........
    ”The time has come," the Walrus said,
    "To talk of many things:
    Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
    Of cabbages--and kings--
    And why the sea is boiling hot--
    And whether pigs have wings."

    “But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
    "Before we have our chat;
    For some of us are out of breath,
    And all of us are fat!"
    "No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
    They thanked him much for that.

    Yes, I’m afraid they are cooking up something......


    Infinitely removed........?  If only........

    Onto the wedding feast..... by way of Philadelphia.....


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    Post by SurfBum Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:20 am

    Oðin left Asgard one day and happened upon three serfs mowing hay. He offered to sharpen their scythes and they agreed. Oðin took a hone and edged their tools and the serfs thought the tools cut much better and wanted to buy the hone. Oðin said the one who bought it should pay by giving a banquet. The serfs replied they were all willing to do this and asked him to hand over the hone. Oðin threw the hone into the air and in their efforts to catch it the serfs killed one another.
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:51 am

    Aaron,

    You do take a dim view of these proceedings.

    smelly is a bit more tolerant of the game.

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