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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

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    Post by 99 Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:53 pm

    Hi All,
    I've decided to accept a job offer which will require all of my time and energy with little left to focus on other things, like, for example, participating in this forum. A fond farewell to all of you! It's been fun and keep up the good work! 

    ~ 99
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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:49 pm

    Congratulations to 99 for new employment. I also want to announce the winner of the Essay Contest on "Joe and Kevin Saving the World." The WCM reviewed all the submissions. Many were great. Today he contacted the Princess to make his recommendation. "Only one essay was precisely on topic, well composed, and demonstrative in the achievements of Joe and Kevin. That essay was submitted by Mr. Joseph Firmage with Forward by Mr. Kevin Alber. I am therefore recommending the Princess award the World Achievement Award to Joe and Kevin." The Princess graciously accepted the WCM recommendation. Soon Kevin will be leaving for Botswana where he will receive the award.
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    Post by U Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:10 pm

    Congratulations 99 it's a shame we won't really be in class together but I'm happy to be here while you go on to bigger and better things!

    https://youtu.be/zdzUXqtD5jU

    Has anyone made that joke yet?

    Now in regards to my two recent dreams Sloth, I agree with most of what you are saying about them, however I have had interlopers enter my dreamscape. 3 interlopers to be exact, over the course of 2 dreams over the last 5 nights. I suppose open minds begget open minds.

    I'm not here solely because of the 2 dreams but it certainly fits right into place.

    A shame I didn't enter the essay contest Foot. I am a wordsmith indeed but with competition like Joe and Kevin, that's a tall order!
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    Post by U Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:42 pm

    Congratulations, Joe and Kevin!

    https://youtu.be/KN3GxVIzbAM


    https://youtu.be/H_GvVnPsUeg
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:00 pm

    Congrats Joe,

    May your essay bring you more peace.

    "One day Rumi was reading next to a large stack of books. Shams Tabriz, passing by, asked him, "What are you doing?" Rumi scoffingly replied, "Something you cannot understand." (This is knowledge that cannot be understood by the unlearned.) On hearing this, Shams threw the stack of books into a nearby pool of water. Rumi hastily rescued the books and to his surprise they were all dry. Rumi then asked Shams, "What is this?" To which Shams replied, "Mowlana, this is what you cannot understand." (This is knowledge that cannot be understood by the learned.)"

    Shamz burns essays.

    Starting a new Topic.

    https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t328-disclosure-for-u-by-u#18591

    This topic has no rules.

    It's disclosure for U by U.

    We don't need no government agencies to disclose.

    We don't need no thought control.

    We just need the sources flow.



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    Post by U Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:22 pm

    To be clear all that I have said here is right on topic. Not a word, not a syllable is off track in this discussion on Immaterialism 2.

    That being said Sloth, thank you for this new topic.

    I'm not looking for any more disclosure, I've found it already but I'm excited to use your new thread too.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:54 pm

    Please move in this direction and we will have a garden of Eden unlike any imagined before Wink
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    Post by SurfBum Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:59 pm

    Keeper,

    If you aren’t AP you at least are a pretender like AP.

    Asking Dan what the purpose of dreams are but then saying you are not looking for any more disclosure a few hours later.

    Have fun playing pretender with yourself.

    Laughing

    I’ve settled all questions.

    I don’t play peek a boo anymore. I walk naked in awareness and I don’t let pretenders in my home.

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    Post by U Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:17 pm

    No Sloth if you want me to be more clear, I've seen flying golden orbs in Egypt up in the Sinai and much more than that, I know they are here, it's not conjecture for me. December-16-2017 was enough disclosure for me on that specific issue, it's not my fault if most people didn't notice! I'm not AP, believe me! I'm not the one who wears a mask, besides doesn't he have other UFO people in the know he can annoy? I would not be here if I wasn't given permission or invited in.

    I actually, unironically want to hear Dan's answer to my question because he actually is an expert on that topic.

    I understand your skepticism and I have no ill feelings toward you but you need to understand that I'm no pretender.

    At least here I can be genuine!



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    Post by dan Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:06 am

    Thank you Sloth/Ackbar for adhering to your own thread for your own topic.  It does relieve unnecessary confusion.  

    Congratulations, 99, on your new job.  Please, come by, whenever you can.  Thank you for all the work, so far.  

    I hope that Joe’s essay can be posted on OMF..... in an appropriately named thread.  

    Footmann says that the Observatory at Sunspot, NM, will be reopened later this week.  His team did have to eliminate some intruders(?).  

    I wonder what stories the returning evacuees will have to relate to us?  This could be a form of disclosure in itself.  We will be able to discuss the incident in its own thread, should it appear to warrant OMF’s attention.  

    There is some confusion in my mind as to the proposal for the Disclosure Quilt.  This will be another important topic that we can pursue here, at OMF.  We await further suggestions, especially from the Footmann and the Princess.  
    ...........


    Now, hopefully, the very few of us who are actually concerned with immaterialism may continue on our merry way..... others of you so willing....... Thank you, all, for your kind attention.  


    11:30..........

    Thank you, PF,

    Foot seems to agree with you, that nothing further will come of the story.  I’m a bit more skeptical, but I’m not prepared to launch a Sunspot thread...... not yet.   Don’t let my reluctance deter anyone else, however.    

    Foot did say that the intruders were eliminated.  If that story is true, or even if it is just one of several planted rumors, I, for one, would be surprised, if it doesn’t make the rounds of the social media.  Foot said that the Feds were just standing around with their guns.  His guys had no such quandaries.  If that story even slightly approximates the truth, it is certainly not true that he had to be alerted to the situation by me, several days after the fact...... I don’t think so, ronster.  


    Sloth,

    Thank you for responding to Keeper’s dream question..... was that where I was removing heads?  I’ll be happy to let your response stand for mine.  

    However, it might well be said that I cast myself into the role of Moses, when I called Foot, 27 years ago.  I gave him my eschatological interpretation of anomalous phenomena...... a global ‘dream’ of ours.  He had to go to the dictionary, he told me later.



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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:27 am

    dan wrote:

    Footmann says that the Observatory at Sunspot, NM, will be reopened later this week.

    (cont........)

    This news has been public for almost a day.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/solar-observatory-sunspot-new-mexico-shut-down-evacuated-open-again-mystery-aliens
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:20 am

    Keeper,

    There is disclosure on specific incidences and then there is disclosure.

    Cool.

    Carry on then.

    The only expert on your dreams is you.

    Just follow the White Rabbit down the hole.



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    Post by U Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:08 am

    I'm not here to start any trouble, I have enough as it is.

    Sloth if I am a pretender by your criteria, well, I'll just say I sure wish it felt like pretend. That I made it all up, this forum, my experiences and my dreams and I wouldn't be here bothering you all.

    Dan thanks for responding to my query. The dream about you and the cows was not the dream I had though on the morning of the 11th or the 16th. The reason I asked "what role do dreams play in the BPWH?" is because I think it does pertain to exactly what you've been saying on this thread and the old thread about our own personal understanding of the BPW and dreams I would think are a connection to this immaterial realm. Not just garbled pictures in the subconscious but messages from the Monad and maybe connections to other people we share this world with. I can appreciate your idea of a global dream, thank you.

    Sloth please forgive me for being so defensive. I understand that UFOs and aliens are but one aspect of disclosure and true disclosure at least in this world is a never ending process. Dan may agree that the only real complete disclosure is when we get back to the source, I think that's my view on it.

    Anyway, I'm more here to listen than to talk, I'll do my best to ask more informed questions on the topic at hand when I do. Thank you all for your patience and understanding.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:07 am

    I have nothing more to say Dan, except to say, nothing.

    The smelly goat grazes now in Elysium Fields.

    I wish you all peace and good day.

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    Post by U Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:32 am

    Don't go Smelly! I like hearing what you have to say!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:44 am

    Dan and Ack together know a two step you might want to watch.

    My dancing days are done here and I leave calm, no issues.

    I’m not a public person really, I’m not even really here and I am only here, that’s funny.

    If you follow the clues from Owen Barfield, you will find a bridge to everything else.

    Dan and I were a bit like Owen and CS.

    It’s all right here, with you, enjoy this, it’s a gift.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:50 am

    I'm not going to be dancing too much maybe.

    If I do it will be a slow Sloth dance.

    I had a spontaneous thought to start a new more open topic where I could show The Way more by example than by words after Keeper started asking about dreams and I wanted to post a Pic but couldn't because of the rules here.

    Also wanted a Topic with no specific topic.

    If no specific questions are asked in that Topic it will be pretty much crickets, which is just the way it should be.

    I like the sound of crickets, they are peaceful.

    You know what would be awesome is if Atomic Brando stopped by once in a while and posted some videos from his garden.

    Wink

    Anyway Smelly, take it easy.....Dude. Enjoy the ride.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:59 am

    Keeper,

    No worries, I didn't feel you were too defensive.

    My apologies for calling you a pretender.

    Truth is, we are all pretenders, even those pretending not to be.

    I would not disagree with what you said in regards to disclosure and getting back to source.

    Maybe there is a way back to source while still living.

    Anyway, I don't want to post in this Topic anymore.

    I want to let Dan do what he wants and focus on the things he wants to focus on.

    I'm back to my tree now.

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    Post by U Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:16 pm

    My father always used to say "make the best you can with what you've got."

    So where better to do that than the "Best Possible World?"

    Thanks for humoring me Dan. The Moses reference does not go unnoticed or unappreciated. Carry on, I'm very interested in this topic.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:39 pm

    Sports fans,

    You, all, can run, but you can’t hide.  

    Hide and seek...... that’s my game.  I own it.

    Believe me, y’all, I know a thing or two about hiding.

    And, maybe...... just maybe...... about seeking.

    I have ambitions....... smelly knows that.  That’s why he’s so anxious to get out of Dodge.  

    My ambition is the take over the world.  

    As a starter, I’m seeing if I can take over my own thread..... without destroying it.  

    How’s my driving....... so far.....?  

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:57 pm

    The ones of us with no ambition and an open process are leaving Dan.

    If that’s what you wanted, you got it.

    Too bad, because it’s these borderline types who go with the flow whose perspective I would find most valuable in your position, whatever that is.

    No disagreements here, but I have no ambitions here or in the world.

    The center I can’t explain, brought me to that.

    Anyway, enjoy your self dude.

    Remember what you have learned, help you it can.
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    Post by GrandCru Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:54 pm

    O danny boi, up to sneaky trickses again huh? You can never trust Gollum.

    I just don't understand why pursue him if all he has is BS? What's that saying about actions and words?


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    Post by cwallatruth Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:31 pm

    GrandCru wrote:O danny boi, up to sneaky trickses again huh? You can never trust Gollum.

    I just don't understand why pursue him if all he has is BS? What's that saying about actions and words?



    What does the BPW say about violence and even threats thereof?
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:58 pm

    The thing about being God, sports fans, is that we all need to fake it, until we make it.

    Some of us may be better fakers than others, and we all need a little help from our friends.  

    If you want to be God, it’s both what you know and who you know.  

    Everything else being equal, seniority probably counts for something.  

    Every last one of us is going to have to be God, in the End.  

    Anyway, that’s what I happen to believe.  

    Is there something wrong with believing this?  Should this be construed as a threat by anyone..... to anyone?  

    If you believe so, you might want to join a coalition to stop me and my friends.  It’s quite conceivable that instead of being God, I might be the Antichrist...... or maybe just none of the above.  

    Who knows?  God might know, if there is a God.  

    I think there might be, and that’s what this is really about, sports fans.  

    I’m one of the very few people with more than a kindergarten education who happens to believe in a geocentric world.  If I happen to be right about that, then there is a finite chance that I’m the spirit of the truth.  And the rest...... well, it would be history.  

    And, sports fans, if the Princess happens to be the Queen Bee...... well, it would be a slam dunk.  

    Don’t you think?  

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:48 am

    dan wrote:It’s quite conceivable that instead of being God, I might be the Antichrist...... or maybe just none of the above.  


    None of the above is where I'm placing my bets.

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