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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:31 am

    Smelly

    smelly goat .. about JW wrote:
    A headless chaotic, unfortunately, disturbed mind.


    is this not  "the pot calling the kettle black". Very Happy  

    i do agree there was a lot of sh*tting..  But we all talk sh*te.. sometimes even DAN

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:39 am



    More interested in the LIGO<->LHC stuff. How do you think they relate?

    I'm genuinely interested.

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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:43 am

    PF ..

    Your on the Ball more than i am..

    what the Duck to LHC LIGO, stand for. bloody acronym's


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    Post by dan Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:48 am

    LIGO vs LHC............?

    It’s just an inversion of the gestalts.  You have to be insane to see it.  

    You have to be an Immaterialist to see it.  Ask Kip T.

    It’s also the cross vs the circle.  


    Sign,

    And you are bloody lazy.  


    It’s all about 10^10 in phased array.

    And it’s about cell phone privacy. Ask Kip about privacy, when colliding black holes are confused with coastal surf..... is confused with PK. There are ramifications.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:00 am

    dan wrote:LIGO vs LHC............?

    It’s just an inversion of the gestalts.  You have to be insane to see it.  

    You have to be an Immaterialist to see it.  Ask Kip T.


    Sign,

    And you are bloddy lazy.  


    Sign:

    LHC->Large Hadron Collider. A particle beam collider at CERN in Geneva Switzerland. Discovered the HIGS Boson in 2012. Is currently undergoing a High Luminosity retrofit to increase beam power.

    LIGO-> Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory. Recently observed gravitational waves of two supermassive black holes colliding. Confirmed aspects of Einstein's General Relativity theory.

    Dan: Crazy or not, I'm still curious. How do these two relate? Are you talking batshit, or speculating on GUT? Or both?

    EDIT:

    Just a note on LIGO: The interferometer is essentially the same experiment Michelson-Morley designed and ran to confirm the existence of the so-called Luminiferous Aether, back in the late 1800s. Only it confirmed no existence of such. That is, the results they got confirmed for the physics community that the vacuum is not an aether propagating EM waves.

    BUT:

    That same interferometer experiment - though far more sensitive - has now confirmed gravity waves.

    For those of you following:

    1) no luminiferous aether.
    2) yes gravity waves.

    Same underlying experimental apparatus at different sensitivity levels.

    Some of us physics kooks look upon that combined result with a raised eyebrow.
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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:15 am

    Your Right Dan.. i am a Lazy Sod..

    Unfortunately my Mind Can't take too many big words at once.. after 3-4 it goes into shut down mode.

    bare with me..

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    Post by dan Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:16 am

    PF,

    You still don’t have a clue.  We are talking gestalts and MoAPS...... it’s MoAPS within MoAPS.  

    It is a bit hard to get your head around, but you have to start somewhere.

    Ok, with Michaelson-Morley your getting a little bit warmer.

    Thanks. I’d forgotten that one.

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:18 am

    dan wrote:PF,

    You still don’t have a clue.  We are talking gestalts and MoAPS...... it’s MoAPS within MoAPS.  

    It is a bit hard to get your head around, but you have to start somewhere.  

    It's not that I don't see the clue. It's that I think it's bullshit.
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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:19 am

    Thank PF.. That saved me an hour of my Life..

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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:26 am

    Dan.. While your one.. and listening..

    You keep saying your the one in charge of Disclosure . & we keep having the odd Fire Drill..

    Could you not Start a little Fire.. .. something Small.. anyone could put out with a fire extinguisher


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    Ps.. Dan me costumes.. out of the wash ready for the new series of Star Trek..


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    Post by dan Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:27 am

    PF,

    Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between bs and cosmic poetry.  Ask smelly.

    And how do you spell I.M.M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L.I.S.M?

    That is what you’re totally missing.  


    Sign,

    Your pants are on fire.  That’s why you can only smell the smoke.  

    You want Disclosure...... now you can work it out with a pencil.  

    Don’t worry, others, who don’t ask the dumb questions, already have.  

    You are the sleeping dog, for now.  

    You need to understand the feathered Serpent. It is a gestalt unto itself. Why do you think we came down here, dummy. Your cockpit awareness is more than deficient.

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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:34 am

    dan wrote:PF,

    Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between bs and cosmic poetry.  Ask smelly.

    And how do you spell I.M.M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L.I.S.M?

    That is what you’re totally missing.  


    Is this the same I.M.M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L.I.S.T. medium de Broglie proposed?

    No. I know you don't mean that. But if you're going to posit there exists shit we can't see it would help to at least be formal about what it is and how it affects the shit we can see. And more than in just the 'smelly' way.
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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:46 am

    Dan..

    one of us has to be the Dumb Sod on this site.. Guess it Me.. Laughing



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    Post by dan Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:50 am

    PF,

    How do you spell ‘feathered Serpent’?  

    You can see it, pronoid...... you just aren’t looking...... the nose in front of your face...... the back of your hand, etc.......

    You are only seeing with indirect perception.  Try the direct kind.  This is our final, Barfieldian, participation.  It’s slow going at first.  I would be the first to admit.  If you get too impatient, you could try lsd, but it’s also very risky.  

    You learn to pay attention to detail, in a mythological sort of way.  

    smelly knows about that...... but he doesn’t read the Economist, do you, smelly?  

    You can read the Economist for work, or you can read it for fun...... very different perspectives...... indirect vs direct perception/participation.


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    Post by Sign Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:48 am


    Dan
    dan wrote:Your pants are on fire. That’s why you can only smell the smoke.

    You want Disclosure...... now you can work it out with a pencil.


    Dan Did you hear about the mathematician with constipation? He was able to work it out with just a pencil.

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    Post by dan Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:19 am

    No kidding
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    Post by GSB/SSR Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:09 am

    "The big cat" has been domesticated. Ask J.A. In dreamtime.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:34 am

    dan wrote:PF,

    How do you spell ‘feathered Serpent’?  

    You can see it, pronoid...... you just aren’t looking...... the nose in front of your face...... the back of your hand, etc.......

    You are only seeing with indirect perception.  Try the direct kind.  This is our final, Barfieldian, participation.  It’s slow going at first.  I would be the first to admit.  If you get too impatient, you could try lsd, but it’s also very risky.  

    You learn to pay attention to detail, in a mythological sort of way.  

    smelly knows about that...... but he doesn’t read the Economist, do you, smelly?  

    You can read the Economist for work, or you can read it for fun...... very different perspectives...... indirect vs direct perception/participation.  


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    Have you ever heard the roaring in your ears? Known you weren't breathing? Felt yourself quake, shaking up and down from head to toe? Rolled out, floated up, and looked down at yourself from an upper corner in your room? Have you ever put your hand through a wall and felt inside? Have you seen the way colors change in this state? How high dynamic range photography doesn't even come close to the experience? Or met the scary-ass things that are out there?

    I've been there. It's not all love and light dude. And I sure as hell don't think some ill defined immaterialism explains the experience.
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    Post by 99 Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:33 pm

    I can relate to everything you're saying PF but if you talk about such things to the wrong psychiatrist (the mainstream ones), you'll be diagnosed as bi-polar which is the catch-all diagnosis they use just to get the ball rolling in the mental health field regardless if you ever experience mood changes or not beyond what's considered normal.

    This is unfortunate because when one starts to have such experiences... which is when they may really feel a need to talk to a professional about it, there's no one out there that specializes in that area that's close enough to arrange for monthly therapy sessions with them unless one lives on the east or west coast. So in that sense, they're on their own and that's NOT easy. But these days, there are plenty of alternative mental health therapists who have advanced degree's from legitimate universities that one can talk to via the internet at first contact and then via online conferences when one feels the need to do so. That's the next best thing than in-person office visits.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:57 pm

    In the meantime, research continues down at Muppet Labs down by the Lake...

    Jack Sarfatti must be advising...see the stars with your atomic elevator shoes.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:00 pm

    99 wrote:
    smiley wrote:99, you are blind as a bat.

    If you didn't remind me so much of Brando, I would be banning you too smiley. That white straggly hair and funny hat don't do you any justice, btw. I DO miss Bubbles and his kitties though.... where the hell is he?



    Of course you would ban me, you can’t handle the Truth Wink
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:04 pm

    Sign wrote:Smelly

    smelly goat .. about JW wrote:
    A headless chaotic, unfortunately, disturbed mind.


    is this not  "the pot calling the kettle black". Very Happy  

    i do agree there was a lot of sh*tting..  But we all talk sh*te.. sometimes even DAN

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:10 pm

    Dan is a funny muppet though, I gotta say.

    And unlike most of you other muppets, he’s very poetic.

    He knows how to turn a phrase.

    Like myself, I don’t know he is good for anything else Wink

    It’s always fun to joust with him and the rest of you distracted muppets.

    But there isn’t anything to disagree about.

    I don’t disagree or agree with anyone.

    That’s funny.
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    Post by 99 Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:17 pm

    smiley wrote:Of course you would ban me, you can’t handle the Truth Wink

    Ha, ha.... not so smiley but I'll make a note of that any way to refer to next time I need a good laugh. Smile
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:19 pm

    99 wrote:I can relate to everything you're saying PF but if you talk about such things to the wrong psychiatrist (the mainstream ones), you'll be diagnosed as bi-polar which is the catch-all diagnosis they use just to get the ball rolling in the mental health field regardless if you ever experience mood changes or not beyond what's considered normal.

    This is unfortunate because when one starts to have such experiences... which is when they may really feel a need to talk to a professional about it, there's no one out there that specializes in that area that's close enough to arrange for monthly therapy sessions with them unless one lives on the east or west coast. So in that sense, they're on their own and that's NOT easy. But these days, there are plenty of alternative mental health therapists who have advanced degree's from legitimate universities that one can talk to via the internet at first contact and then via online conferences when one feels the need to do so. That's the next best thing than in-person office visits.

    PF, work it out through art directly. This is what Dan hints at.

    Participate, don’t follow your thoughts, lead them.

    There is a light in us from the Sun and we are all tethered to that Sun. It’s a lie to accept anything else as true.

    And we have a dark passenger, one who is totally immoral and will help you do any dark thing you can imagine.

    That power is a test, I dance, I don’t move the universe through my galactic will consciously, but I am unconsciously.

    With direct participation, you can feel and sense the Cosmos in a sublime way.

    You can’t be afraid facing the dark, you have to know.

    No teaching or philosophy or science or belief will make you know.

    You have to face it straight on.

    Draw things out, write to them, to your self, let the fear go.

    Cry into your heart for help and help will be there immediately.

    I know my daimon(s) very well, which is what we have lost touch with.


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