Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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99,

I would give him a bit more credit than that.  

In the Endtimes, the news will become the entertainment, and the entertainment will become the news.  

God = +0.  We = God.  God = us....... in the End.

And, please, 99, don’t tell me about the SoT.  [You are welcome to put your annotations in brackets.]




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99 and smelly,

I guess it could be said that you are attempting to manage magic.  

It is not clear to me, though, what your agenda might be.  

It appears that you have no agenda, other than to put on a display of your magical prowess.

Most would suppose that you are doing this mainly to entertain yourselves.  

You seem oblivious as to how is might impact others, either positively or negatively.  

If you could prove the existence of metaphysical phenomena, this could certainly help to subvert the materialist paradigm.  But the proof of magic, in and of itself, could have many negative consequences.  I see little or no concern to that effect on either of your parts.  

Witchcraft can certainly be used for sociopathic ends.  I wonder how either of you intend to safeguard against such negative outcomes.  

The purity and selflessness of you own motives would not speak to the motives of others who might be encouraged to pursue their own ends, using the techniques that you experiment with.
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I am also pursuing magic. It is a risky endeavor. I have spoken of the risks.

I am attempting to help confer magical powers on everyone. Will those powers be misused? Of course they will.

In the best possible world, it will not be easy to abuse the power.



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The Heraclean Ego

I can tell you about the Others.

From a source...

The spirit seeks its reflection in our soul. They reflect each other. We are daimonic, but we are not Daimons. Daimons like animals are sufficient unto themselves. But we are further and closer to divinity. We have self reflection and the ability to self transform, which they can’t do alone. Through us they can, and wish to, know. Our self reflection is a reflection on themselves, their transformation our self transformation.

We can now maybe understand the sadness that hangs about Daimons. Yeats wrote about their sorrow for us. Without spirit soul can’t know truth, cause or law. Be means of spirit, soul knows self. They are not literal, but share us and our space. The Daimons themselves insist on this as-if literalness. This is seen maybe in the UFO life and crop circles. Like cave paintings were not literal but spiritual.

Maybe spirit needs soul and it’s many attached Daimons to subvert and soften their beauty. Spirit seeks to make connections with soul. Through journies into art and nature. Spirit needs soul to make the world personal. Palliating its remote literal God, with a personal Christ, saints and Virgin Mary.

The dismembering of the shaman is the disintegrating of the ego, that was ruled by one of spirits perspectives, into a rainbow of perspectives. This is the forging of the ‘new body’ a new daimonic ego body which can hold any spiritual perspective. Like a jewel catches light. Heracles could not kill the Gorgon directly.

We hunt for daimonic non literal things with guns. We dispatch jets to shoot down the UFOs. We violate the moon goddess with Rockets. Having severed all connection to the inner gods and Daimons, we think we are getting away with it.

We aren’t.

Victory over the Daimons is hollow. We make a Hell on earth. And as we drive out the Daimons, they creep back in from every side. We beg them to drive us mad!!! Look how Heracles died to now where we are headed. So green folks seek to counter the disconnection and go deep into the green. But their idealism will not help either if it’s all taken literally only.

We all have to embrace a change of heart, to see earth as the embodiment of a world-soul. To ignore it is to ignore your own soul. Daedalus is the figure behind tech. Tech can mediate between us and gods. The Minotaur was that joined offspring. The labyrinth is the image of the soul. A daimonic creature. Half animal half god. So Daedalus built the labyrinth to accommodate the daimon in a shrine.

Tech can embody soul and not oppose it. The shaman takes Daedalus celestial journey on wings we create. Icarus abused the techne and fell.

That’s all dan, not showing off.

Dan, why always the negatives suppression and not benefit of doubt?

Of course I know the impact of these words.

I am not chit chatting.

Won’t argue.

I’ll be quiet.

smelly,

You make fair statements.  I am not asking you to be quiet.  I am asking you to engage constructively, with your considerable talents.

Although you deny it vociferously, I do detect a measure of fear that I also may act sociopathically, by using my rational power to mislead others. That could be. I certainly can’t prove otherwise. We all have to use our own powers of discernment. No one can take that responsibility from us.

Ditto on that. thank you.

He's really quite amazing... I must say!

I can’t prove anything.

So I’ll shut up.

But I have some grasp on the tale of the tiger I will tell you.

My own personal delusion.

I’m afraid no one will get to be the poster child Dan.

It won’t and can’t work through a managed priesthood.

But it’s here for us to touch inside is my experience which is not helpful to you.

I can't do what you do smelly. Follow Dan's suggestion and keep it up.

I think I know what they are and why.

I think I gave you a gem.

But Sam Harris would flay me and claim he could say Elvis is still alive and no one could disprove it.

He might have me there.

NDEs as a memory of your birth through the valley of death?

Maybe hobbit has more concrete with data.

I and my meager view are always at your service and are always used in service to you, whether you realize that or not.

smelly,

I certainly regret that I come off sounding like a priest to you.  

I would suggest that most of what you see in that regard, is being projected by you.  And I certainly suspect, however, that you would not be the only one to make such projections.  

I could be accused of provoking them, even.  But that is not my ultimate intent.

Rather, I am making an assault on organized religion, just in case you hadn’t noticed.

I am using their own prophecies to undermine their various establishments. This has been done many times before, and, most often, the end result is just as you suggest...... to establish a new religion and a new priesthood.


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We are just two guys here.

I’ll be Morty and you can be Rick.

Pickle Rick!

At this moment I’m not projecting anything on your Dan.

I think I am looking Eye to Eye at something and it’s just saying...go boy.

So, if you aren’t trying to setup and manipulate and use the celestials, we aren’t opposed.

I am a heretic, so maybe nothing I say is true or all of it is.

That would be funny.

Anyway, I shared what I think is my bridge to personalism. It’s a vehicle and forge I guess would be a good way to describe it.

Wouldn’t it make sense that anyone now could find this with a few prods and options.

The true teachers I think are always in place.

Doing their thing.

I don’t think it’s possible to measure how it goes.

Maybe some thing has a view of that.

But as you know managing Magick Dan, you can’t cheat, but you can destroy yourself easily.

All of it is a wish machine projecting our intentions

We are filled with dark thoughts, but we should look at them all, and hopefully learn, these nightmares will pass.

Yes, 99, smelly and I are in competition to be heretic of the Year.  

Each of us has some talents in greater measure than the other. There will have to be a lot of synergy, here, if we’re to have any hope of succeeding.

Your bridge to personalism.........?

Magic is a significant form of personalism, if that’s what you mean. I’m all for that, but it is risky. I am quite content to allow Ron and Aliyah to be the managers. How far can I/we trust them? As far as we have to.

Please continue Dan, I see progress, maybe a chance at a dialogue with the Daimonic, which are the UTs in my view of Creation pretending to be literal, but somehow they are related deeply to us.

I have left room for personalism.

I just have more light to see it now, it’s clearer, but I only see what I’m capable of seeing, same for each of us.

Simplicity, humility and compassion is my cool water to keep my flames down Dan. I promise not to combust without warning.

Something told me to temper the heat and you will see through the mirages caused by the great desert heat.

You can become a mythomaniac when you are consumed by the mirages.

My understanding is that UT's are manifestations of shape-shifting daimons. I have a video of that... that I recorded.

Is it a manifestation of my unconscious mind via psychokinesis? I don't know. Could be.... but it was recorded before I ever even knew there was something called Ultraterrestrials. At the time, I thought maybe they were elementals.

I think that’s basically it.

Why this is so slippery.

It’s another level of the labrynth maybe.

Dan, I’ll only share with those who come my way, I’ll not advertise the ground I’m standing on.

It is dangerous and I have a lot of help to stand here.

All follow your own path.

I learned the 369 Quantum Portal can be helpful.

When you meet the wolf, the chase is on and it’s after the rabbit, non-stop.

I believe that is often where people without the preparation fall into unbalance.

Are there secret societies out there that can even manifest UFO's in our skies? I wonder. Like the White or Black Brotherhood? Are they still out there?

We think all of that Theosophy stuff is just nonsense but it isn't. They know things that you'll never find on the internet because I'm convinced that only a few are privy to how to access those online sites.

Thank you, smelly,

Yes, it’s all about dialogue and friendly, rational persuasion....... the alignment of our spirits...... globally eventually.  

I know perfectly well that I’ve gotten way over my head in this metaphysical politics.  My time here is as if in a confession booth...... speaking of priests.  Confessional hand holding will be essential.


99,

I sense that you keep wanting to look back, over your shoulder, to see who is in pursuit. smelly and I are trying to mainly look ahead, to figure out where we’re going.

Pretty much anything you can imagine is out there literally or daimonically. I’m just a young bear out of the cave so what do I know really.

But I will say as confession, my psychedelic experiences were internal unconscious journeys mediated by the Daimonic I now feel. Same maybe for psychic experience and sensitivity.

Again, proceed with caution.

I took some of it literally, but we all do I guess somehow or other.

It’s confusing when you meet them.

I still can’t belive what they show me, but these are things we can know in time and experience.

Many mirages.

The worlds mirror each other and intersect.

The manual is laying about in pieces.

99,

We’re not here as tourists. I will speak for myself....... I’m here as a scout..... scouting the way back home. Please don’t get distracted, or distract the rest of us.

I’ll show my hand at the beginning and it’s my working myth.

We are celestials of some kind and it was willed for us to be here.

I don’t seek to defend a point of view Dan, but perhaps you can consider this Daimonic question a bit or later.

Celestials, or a chance to be, we can avoid it if that is too bright a reality.

Marissa and I have fallen to the ultimate egoic trap perhaps.

We both heard we were citizens of the Sky.

Perhaps.



And I think one question is how much spin can you handle?

When you spin fast enough, it seems something happens.

I'm on my own path Smelly and it took me years to get here. You're on your own but this doesn't mean that I still don't have much to learn. That will never end. It's an ongoing process that never stops.

It doesn’t matter what you know, but that you are kind.

Yes, I guess that's the bottom line isn't it? Being kind and considerate. I can't speak for anyone else on this of course but that's something I'm always working on. It's easy to be kind when everything is going fine but when things aren't so great, that's when we have to put more effort into it.