Nice to make your acquaintance. Always glad to have another fan of Leibniz around.
BTW, this thread is only incidentally political. The post of Cy's you are quoting from, is a just a filler, from way back..... a bit confusing.
What is the evidence for immaterialism......?
We have no direct evidence. There is no smoking gun..... no material evidence for immaterialism. We have indirect, inferential evidence.
But, by the same token, we have no material evidence for materialism. We have sensory and scientific evidence for materialism. Isn't that enough?
Well, it's enough to make me want to take science with a grain of salt or two. See, according to the best scientific evidence, you and I don't actually exist, certainly not as persons. I'm just inclined to return the favor, that's all.
Science is based on measurement, but there is no scientific account of measurement. Measurement is a strictly normative process. Science has no account of norms. Norms exist only in the domain of sapience. Science has no account of sapience.
IOW, despite all its protestations to the contrary, science is a castle built upon a cloud of human abstractions. It has been a very useful castle, for the duration of the technological/industrial revolution.
A castle in the clouds..... a mighty fortress.....?
It seems that we, truth seekers, have been cast adrift from the two great established bastions of society.... science and religion. We roam about, on the plains below, while these two Goliaths lob the occasional shell at one another.
What's a poor truth seeker to do......? Be gentle as a dove and clever as a serpent?
My only bit of cleverness is to become an honorary member of the Aviary, under the nom-de-guerre of Chicken Little. With that pedigree, every time I go to NYC, I can get a cup of coffee for $4.25.
I'm thinking/hoping there is a method in my madness...... And my hope springs eternal, almost.
As my CL moniker might imply, I'm an eschatologist. A long an winding path led me to eschatology. My job is to make that path shorter and friendlier. Yes, my Eschaton comes with a smiley face.
My Eschaton is long on the bark, and short on the bite. It has just enough bite to wake us from our slumber of materialism.
In short, it is the best possible Eschaton of the best possible world, and, it is my contention that, no self-respecting world would leave the drawing board without one. In fact, I believe I have proven that, beyond all reasonable doubt.
But, guess what..... the world is full of unreasonable folks.
The crux of the matter lies in the very concept of reason......
Over only the faintest of protests from philosophy and religion, science has erogated reason unto itself. More crudely, science has simply hijacked reason, and there is no one to protest.
If one intends to defend old-fashioned reason, one had better be prepared to slay Goliath. I've gone to the river bank and picked out a smooth stone.
My 'smooth stone' is actually just a wild-eyed piece of speculation......
My speculation is based on two, seemingly contrary, 'facts'.......
1.) Humanity appears, on many reckonings, to be in dire straits....
2.) and, yet, we do not appear to be here by accident.
Sure, scientists will jump up and down, swearing that we are an absurdity in a meaningless universe. IOW, humanity simply does not fit the scientific mold. We are flukes. We are a flash in the pan.
Is it too bad for humanity, or too bad for science.....?
By the best and brightest of science, you and I, sister, are an inconvenient truth.... very inconvenient. My intention is to make this truth much more inconvenient.
I'm betting the farm that science is not playing the reality game with a full deck, and its half of the deck of 'facts' is badly skewed.
When it comes to matters of truth, science has the CorTT deck, and I have the CohTT deck.... it's Correspondence v Coherence. And I've peeked...... Coherence is gonna win.
What will coherence buy us.....? It will buy us the world.
But, even more important, what does Coherence tell us......?
It tells us that the game is fixed, in our favor.
People are out there, worrying themselves sick about our future or lack thereof. Me....? I sit here, sipping my wine, waiting for Ron to call. Sometimes he does..... sometimes he don't. You pays your money, and you takes your chances.
Ok, Smitty, quit messing around.......
The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone of a whole new world......
It's persons...... all the way up, and all the way down.
It's personal idealism/immaterialism. That's where it's at.
The rest.......? Well, we, in all our magnanimity, will allow scientists to continue picking over the bones.
Ok, fine, we have persons. But so what.......?
Personalism <==> small world (SWH)
SWH <==> Eschaton
That's what. That's all she wrote.
Once we are granted the reality of persons, everything else comes for free.
What.......? You'd like to take a pass on the Eschaton?
Hmmm...... sorry 'bout that.... but not really so sorry. It turns out that the Eschaton is the best possible frosting on our best possible cake.
But, hey, says you....... it's my party and I'll cry if I want to. Ok, if you insist. We are giving up our blue sky dreams..... for what?
The happy hunting ground......? True..... more or less.......
The happy hunting ground is our Source. It is the Monad..... it is God..... you name it......
Sure, you say, but we're not nearly ready for that final leap.
Well, get over it..... get used to it.
Ready or not...... all ye, all ye, in free!
See, the only reason you think we're not ready is because you've not been paying attention..... you've not been doing your BPWH homework.
Uh, oh..... are you going to fail? No. Nobody fails.
Had you been paying attention, you'd know to take your monism seriously.
Even Leibniz and/or his followers did not take their monism sufficiently seriously. The Monadology was all about the monads..... not much talk of the Monad.
Let me be the first to tell you..... the Monad is where it's at. Well, I'm a little late..... Parmenides got there first.
And Parmenides was just plagiarizing the non-dualists down on the subcontinent. Hmmm....... Not so sure about that.
It turns out that there's a big difference between Western monism and Eastern non-dualism. Eric, who drops by here, once in awhile, does his darnedest to bridge the gap. Me? I say, mind the gap. I'm saying, until Eric proves me wrong, it's apples and oranges.
And, speaking of the devil, Eric chimes in...... I'm half right.... he's half right.
I'm not sure I'm going to be quite that generous, Eric. I'm not so sure that Eric has done his homework.
Eric calls me a seeker. Them's are fighting words. No, Eric, you're only half right....... I'm a thrill seeker. Oh, yes, I'm also a drama queen. But you already knew that. Right?
Yes, if I'm reading the tea leaves properly, we're in for a few thrills, and I hope, not too many spills. It might even start next week, but, you know me, I don't count my chickens. It's always been hurry up and wait. On 9/9/2001........ not so much. But, hey, that could have been just a fluke.
Wait...... I think I might have jumped ahead.......