You might do us the favor of providing a quote or two, to back up your assertion.
My feeling at the time was that our feathered friends were playing with fire, and here was the proof. I play with it still. I play with the MoAPS, and with the RD.
I play with the Eschaton. What do you play with, Mr Paranoid?
The more serious eschatological gambit transpires in the Middle East. I don't support Isis. Ron does that. But I do point to Isis as a sign of the times.
Heaven's Gaters supped on apple sauce. The Isis boys and girls don vests. Their faith being a tad less than with the xtians. Well, the xtians do have the Bomb. They walk softly, though.
Last week the RD was a couple of weeks away. Now it is several weeks. The California team has a bit of preparation. I'm still just supposing that we're talking about the visitors, but nothing has been said. Gordon's son, Sur, is playing catchup with the ufologists. He had assumed that his old man was just crazy. It seems that we're cutting it a bit close, timewise.
Do any of them know of the vectors? Even the 'falcon' didn't, and he's not even out there, yet. I'm supposed to talk to Paul Price, but all I have is four old numbers.
W.r.t. Jeremy England, after a bit of reading and googling, I'm thinking that the hoopla, more than a year ago, was mostly just a rearguard action.... the materialists putting up a smoke screen to cover their strategic withdrawal. All he had was a couple of statistical inequalities. Plus he had a toy model for computation. And, yes, if you squinted, you could detect a slight shift in the frequencies.
This was 'proof' of the mechanical basis of life? Hmmm......
I am a vitalist. I'm a fan of Ilya Prigogine's. I like the idea of far from equilibrium self-organization and dissipative structures. This, though, was a bit over the top, I thought.
About the alleged RD.......
I'm thinking that it would be the better part of valor to combine the two approaches...... the phenomenal and political. Rather than go for a full frontal Fatima, combine a pinch of RD with a pinch WHPB. Then the R&D show could garner a smidgen of heightened attention, just enough to put the xtians on the spot. Then, yes, it would be all over but the shouting.
How would that be, Mr Paranoid?
We have RD + R&D = whatever. Perhaps, for the sake of clarity, I should switch the mnemonic from RD to DR, desert rendezvous.
If the DR were carefully orchestrated, we'd be home free. All the old men, out in the desert, will be very well connected ufologically and paranormally. We get Ron, Steve Bassett, and the Falcon in the mix, plus the vectors, we could have rumor city, even without CL.
Me? I'll just be able to bide my time. We'll find out rather soon how the world will abide my eschatological mouse trap. There I go, counting my chickens, again. Ron did point out that this was going to be a short week.... extended vacation, but things might pick up, in the following week. If you say so.
Bill L sends the following..... http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/06/25/pentagon-papers-watergate-lawyer-shares-inside-information-about-ufos/ He points to the interview with Daniel Sheehan. His indirect evidence points to a nuts&bolts explanation. The interchange between Bush and Carter sounds genuine.
Paul would barely communicate with me, when I finally got hold of him. He advised that if I wished to communicate with John, it would be necessary for Ron to provide specific permission to John.
Ron said he would. Ron pointed out that the reluctance to speak with an outsider would likely stem from one of their fellows having recently been dismissed for a similar offense.
Thanks to Gary for bringing to my attention Cameron's latest book.... our feathered friends get several mentions. I'm a bit disappointed as to how tenaciously, even a researcher of Grant's caliber is sticking to the ETH. Therefore, his grand conclusion is suspect... that presidents get full disclosure. Had it been my call, I would have recommended otherwise. Constitutionally, the government is invited to butt out of UTH matters.
It would only be as a matter of courtesy, and then only in the most general fashion possible. If they ask the right questions, they might be directed to OMF.
Both Grant and Steve agree that Larry's WH initiative is the royal road into the coverup. But both are fixated by the ETH. Larry? Maybe not quite so much. At some point, I suspect, that Larry was taken inside, and, from that point on, he cooperated with the ET cover for the UT's. It worked. That's how we managed to get all the way to 2016.... no mean feat.
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016
Subject: review of new Cameron book re: Hillary and UFOs
What do Bill and Hillary Clinton think about UFOs? Are they real? Are they friends or foes? What should they tell the public?
After reading this book it appears that they might be interested in UFOs. It would have helped if the author had interviewed them. Probably they'd have said no, but he doesn't even say if he tried to interview them on this matter. A Clinton advisor called John Podesta appears to have a definite interest in UFOs, but he wasn't interviewed either. All the book basically amounts to is the Clintons and Podesta dropping hints that UFOs exist.
There is also the matter of the sources of the Clintons' UFO material. Cameron states that any private briefings on the matter would probably include disinformation, "compared to the accurate information he could get from a CIA, NSA, or MJ-12 briefing on the subject." Well, who is to say that any President would get completely accurate info from those agencies on the subject?
There's some background on MJ12. Cameron says a story broke in 1987 about a leaked MJ12 document. Actually it was 1986 that the MJ12 material was first published in book form, in UFO Crash at Aztec.
From the book, it seems that Hillary, at least in the late 90s, had more of a UFO interest than Bill. A snippet of a speech is included in which she states that people might live under domes on Mars and that we might have to put aside our difference to fend off attacks from aliens in outer space. But was she just saying that to show she's in touch with popular culture, given that the first Independence Day movie had been released a couple of years earlier? A 2016 interview features her saying that there is a "new name" for UFOs: Unexplained Aerial Phenomena. This is not new. The term was used in the 1960s books of Coral and Jim Lorenzen of APRO, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization.
As for Bill Clinton, it's not clear whether he has a UFO interest because of movies on the subject. In a 2015 interview he says, "Remember when there was a great Si-Fi movie where there was an alien kept deep underground in Area 51?" He then goes on to say that he sent "people" to investigate Area 51 records to make sure there was no alien down there. He doesn't say who these "people" were and the interviewer, Jimmy Kimmel, doesn't press him on the matter, so the interview tells us basically nothing meaningful.
Later in the book there is a table of Freedom of Information requests for the Clinton administration. This states there are 102 textual records and 1412 electronic records on the topic of "White House UFOs, flying saucers", 504 textual records on the topic of "Clinton Greer". It might have been an idea to interview Steven Greer for this book to get his opinion on what the Clintons' postion on UFOs is. Greer is later quoted from an interview with a White House reporter saying that "there is a government inside the government, and I don't control it." Going back to the table, it appears that the Clintons' main interest was the Kennedy Assassination, as this topic has "7600+" textual records.
Jimmy Carter is discussed briefly. Cameron states that there is a story that Senator Claiborne Pell arranged for Col. John Alexander and Scott Jones to meet Carter to discuss UFOs after he left office. However, it is not stated why Pell decided to do this, nor is it stated why Alexander and Jones were the men for this task. Anyway, Carter declined the meeting. Cameron adds: "This refusal constituted a major snub by Carter of a request from the ranking Democrat. It adds validity to the argument that 'the presidents cannot be players' as stated by [Ron] Pandolfi in 2000." So, if the Presidents cannot be players then they don't have accurate UFO information, so that counters what Cameron said earlier that a President could get accurate information from a CIA, NSA, or MJ-12 briefing on the subject. Also, why should Pandolfi be trusted?
In the conclusion the rise and fall of author and researcher Bill Moore is discussed. Cameron states that a book, The Roswell Incident, was written by Moore and Stanton Friedman. Actually, the cover of the book states that it was written by Moore and Charles Berlitz. Anyway, Cameron relates how Moore was contacted twice by "a senior government intelligence agent", known as "Falcon". Cameron doesn't state who Falcon was, but if the internet is to be believed, Falcon was Harry Rositzke. It would have been helpful if Cameron had mentioned this and attempted to verify this claim. A group called "The Aviary" is then mentioned. Cameron doesn't mention that other people earlier mentioned in the book, such as Scott Jones, John Alexander, Kit Green and Ron Pandolfi have been mentioned in print as being members of the Aviary. Cameron makes the case that the Aviary was responsible for feeding Moore disinformation so that he went from being a "highly respected researcher" to one who would be "blamed and discredited" when he quit the field in 1989. As it happens, one reported member of the Aviary, Robert Collins advised me that Grant Cameron is an "unreliable source". He stated to me: "Both Leonard Stringfield and Grant Cameron are unreliable sources. They don't vet their sources or check information. Half of Cameron's new book [UFOs, Area 51 and Government Informants] is dead wrong and contains hoax documents naming Pandolfi. My contact at the National Intelligence Directorate Ron Pandolfi (formerly with CIA) was laughing: he also thought the EfD was outstanding and accurate, but his bosses said no: no book review could be approved. Btw, Bill Moore was in charge of forming the Aviary which included members not listed in the book with Alexander as a minor player. How you sound doesn't mean you're telling the truth soft spoken or not."
So, has Cameron been hoaxed? He claims at the end of the book that 51% of all "experiencers" claimed aliens talked to them about oneness and love. He doesn't say where he got that information, nor where he learned that "oneness is the key alien message" according to "many experiencers". There is an appendix, "Indicators the President Knows". This contains the claim that President Kennedy knew because he, "Met aliens through George Adamski". That's a new one! Cameron doesn't say what he makes of some of Adamski's claims, e.g. that there are aliens who look like us who live in pleasant houses with lawns on Venus.