Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 10:27:01 AM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: further thoughts......

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[BTW, typically, my outgoing communications are posted to the web, while generally exempting the responses.]

I have no intention of cutting Jack out of any loop. I simply believe that our exploratory adventure is not yet prepared for his necessarily censorious overview.

As you rightly sense, the same caveat should also apply to your personal investigations relating to our discussions.

Where there may be a continuing common ground is in relation to your ongoing general assessment of the BPWH.

Yes, I do assume a proprietary interest in that regard.

It may well be that the outcome of this collaboration will be to throw cold water on the BPWH. That in itself would be worthy of some considerable effort. We could help to spare others of considerable pain and effort, by further elaborating upon the many [potential] pitfalls and defeaters of the BPWH.

In the furtherance of this particular objective, I would, on a timely basis, hope to be able to gauge your frame of mind wrt my pet hypothesis, while understanding the usual limitations on total candor.

Perhaps the best way to proceed, in that regard is to spell out for you my own biased assessments.......


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From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 11:01:24 AM EDT
To: Sam
Cc:
Subject: Re: Thorium Breeder Reactor potential

Sam and Bill,

Excuse me, but I'll be darned if I have ever evinced any 'excitement' concerning thorium, or any other supposed technological solution to an obvious human predicament.

What I am saying is that thorium energy is the most bastardized, orphaned and ostracized of all such proposed solutions. In relation to its interim potential, it has the least support of all the other possibilities, that have been hyped beyond most measures.

Being an avowed seeker of an eventual transcendental outcome, I only speak of technology when I detect serious imbalances within the status quo.

Bill's highly dismissive response only serves to underscore my point, in that regard.

From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 12:08:51 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: further thoughts......

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Off the top, the BPWH has zero credibility.

We all experience dreaming, and we all experience waking. We generally evince considerable condescension toward 'dreamers' who do not adequately respect these boundaries.

The tremendous advances in science and technology ought to have put immaterialism out of business, centuries ago.

But, alas-alack, no such luck. Well, if you were so misguided as to actually google immaterialism, you would discover....... well, it has been several months, at least........

Wiki-pe redirects my inquiry to a single page entry on Subjective Idealism. I hardly know whether to laugh or cry, considering that human destiny, very likely, hangs in this balance.


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From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 1:11:50 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: further thoughts......

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What is going on here?

Well, I am virtually a devotee of RAW, and his Cosmic Trigger. And let us not forget that I am subject to some fairly serious episodes of pronoia, sometimes aided and abetted by Catfish.

So, I am able to suspect that I am a likely beneficiary of the cosmic concealment of immaterialism, as so robustly evinced by wiki-pea.

Immaterialism is very lacking in the leadership department. I am the virtual winner of that title, by virtual default.

Nature is supposed to abhor a vacuum. There is an immaterialist vacuum. So, this vacuum must be of supernatural provenance.

Yet, OTOH, there is also a materialist vacuum, with all due deference to the four horsemen of materialism: Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris. They are also touted as the exponents of the New Atheism.

I doubt that I'm the only one to be singularly unimpressed by the general acumen of these gentlemen. They do have an entertaining stage presence, and their collective strategy is to take no theists prisoner. Their unworthy opponents are only to be eviscerated on the battlefield.


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From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 1:45:57 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: further thoughts......

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Nonetheless, the wiki-pea entry is the best possible one, IMHO.

Amongst many important details, do note the paucity of 'see also's'......

I love acosmism......

I used to suppose that I was an anti-acosmist, but now I may have to recalibrate.

Acosmists are alleged, therein, to be absolutists, but I used to suppose that I was an anti-absolutist.

Oh, dear, when it rains, it pours.

Now I begin to see the light. Pantheists are alleged to be cosmists. I find that strange, but also obvious. I had always tended to equate pantheists with mystics, and have frequently touted myself as a virtual pantheist.

But, no, that was wrong. Pantheists are tree-hugging animists, bless their hearts, but I am not that. Hey, don't get me wrong, I love trees, but not quite that much.


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From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 2:04:57 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: further thoughts......

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What I find of particular interest, however, is that the acosmists suppose the absolute to be impersonal. Why??

This is simply transcendentalism run amok.

I am a personalist, of the Boston persuasion. Why are there so many impersonalists? What are the existentialists? They come out of Kierkegaard, no? Surely, Soren was a personalist. I suspect that the existentialists are disposed to punt that issue, as is almost everyone, besides the xians.

And, the xians, in as much as they adopt the OEH, are headed down the path of deism and impersonalism, bless their befuddled hearts.

The only alternative to the OEH is the BPWH. Hey, it's us or rust!


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From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 2:40:36 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: further thoughts......

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Personalism is all about communalism. Persons do not exist in isolation.......

>> A winter's day
In a deep and dark December;
I am alone,
Gazing from my window to the streets below
On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don't talk of love,
But I've heard the words before;
It's sleeping in my memory.
I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.
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From: Dan
Date: June 11, 2013, 2:49:23 PM EDT
To: Princess Aliyah
Subject: Back on the prowl......

http://www.nytimes.com/video/2013/06/10/science/100000002273253/back-on-the-prowl.html

Cy,

Well, I did willingly give up my privacy 22 years ago, when I started talking to Ron, and especially when I said that I would hold him personally accountable for the monitoring of all my communications. When he asked how many agencies I wanted to be involved, I said, 'the more, the merrier'.

But that's just me.

Individuals and groups with nefarious agendas can be greatly aided by technology. Law enforcement does have a need to level that playing field.

It is the targetting of groups with specific political agendas that does raise a red flag. If everyone is being monitored, on an equal and limited basis, then there is, again, a more level playing field. It is patterns that are being targetted, not individuals and not content. The targetting is being done with the software. Personal investigation would be triggered only at preset chokepoints, or when there is a clear indication of criminal activity.

With anything less than this, would we not be opening our borders and our institutions to bad actors of all stripes?

Of course, there are groups who prepare to defend themselves against criminality on the part of the government. Various whistle-blowers do take risks to expose such activities. Due vigilance is warranted, on all sides. The vast majority of the population, however, will not involve itself.

But I'm woking at this issue from the other side. I am working toward cosmic transparency, which relates to the alleged omniscience of the Source. I hope to facilitate that omnisience, in which we will all participate. In regards to our knowledge, we are only self-limited. There are no external limits. We are already, always on candid-camera, so we might as well keep smiling.

It is patterns that are being targetted, not individuals and not content.

The following information seems to be fair game for collection without a warrant: the e-mail addresses you send to and receive from, and the subject lines of those messages; the phone numbers you dial, the numbers that dial in to your line, and the durations of the calls; the Internet sites you visit and the keywords in your Web searches; the destinations of the airline tickets you buy; the amounts and locations of your ATM withdrawals; and the goods and services you purchase on credit cards. All of this information is archived on government supercomputers and, according to sources, also fed into the Main Core database.

For example, the testimony of an anonymous government insider that was recently posted on shtfplan.com alluded to such a list…

“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

From: Dan 
Date: June 13, 2013, 9:59:32 AM EDT
To: Paul 
Subject: Physics is not the Boss

Paul, 

Don't get me wrong here, I do love physics and mathematics, but doing physics is like doing CSI. I, being a theist, am much more interested in the criminal than in the scene, or even in the crime. 

I don't care if God did it with a candlestick in the library.  The #1 priority is to understand why, not how.  Especially with God, where there is a will, there is a way.  Fear not, on that score.  

So why, then, do I come to you and Jack?  Why did I bother to get two MA's in physics, and all that stuff?  

And, of course, we already know the Why, even.  So, maybe it's the wherefore?  As in, wherefore art thou, Abba?  Where lies your allegiance, father?  Have you forsaken us?  Show us your face. 

Behind the veil of nature, is the face.  We are engaged in the dance of the seven veils.  

The veil has already been torn asunder.  We know when and where.  

It is only at this point, then, that I come back to the library, looking for the...... smoking gun, as it were.  

All I need is one number, and it may well be 42.  We need one number to drop out of the BPWH. 

Am I asking for too much?  I suspect that this is the least we can ask for.  This is an exercise in minimalism.  All we need is that minimal, observable mustard seed....... just something to tide us over for the Millennium....... a minimal piece of the Millennium puzzle.  


(cont.) 

 From Dan 
Date: June 13, 2013, 11:41:07 AM EDT 
To: Paul 

Subject: Re: Physics is not the Boss

(cont.......) 

For instance, Jack frequently touts the estimate that the future horizon is some 64 billion years hence.  Somehow, this number is connected with the plank-length on that horizon.  Are you familiar with that estimation?  There is something about this number that is not computing, not in my little head, anyway.  What do you think?

Kipling wrote:Chil the Kite brings home the night
That Mang the bat set free
And all are shut in briar and hut
for loose till dawn are we.

For now is the hour of pride and power
of talon and tooth and claw
Oh hear the call - Good Hunting All
Who keep the jungle law.

Chronological History of the New World Order - Information Clearing House (excerpts) wrote:Excerpt A

1976 -- RIO: Reshaping the International Orderis published by the globalist Club of Rome, calling for a new international order, including an economic redistribution of wealth


Excerpt B

What Were the Important Dates in the New World Order Timeline?
J. Edgar Hoover, ex-FBI director on the New World Order conspiracy: "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
George H.W. Bush's comment: "if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts."
Significant Dates in the Creation of the New World Order
Perhaps the best way to relate a brief history of the New World Order, would be to use the words of those who have been striving to make it real throughout the ages.  You will be amazed at how far back this grand plan has extended, and how many similarities there are in early Century 21 compared to the 1990's, with two Presidents from the Bush family in power.
1910-1929 | 1930 | 1940 | 1950 | 1960 | 1970 | 1980 - Present

1912 -- Colonel Edward M. House, a close advisor of President Woodrow Wilson, publishes Phillip Dru: Administrator in which he promotes "socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx."
1913 -- The Federal Reserve (neither federal nor a reserve) is created. It was planned at a secret meeting in 1910 on Jekyll Island, Georgia by a group of bankers and politicians, including Col. House. This transferred the power to create money from the American government to a private group of bankers. It is probably the largest generator of debt in the world.
July 28, 1914 -- World War I is triggered by the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand of Austria.
May 27, 1916 -- President Woodrow Wilson proposes at the League of Nations in a speech before the League to Enforce Peace, a world needed to prevent the recurrence of a similar war was a world government.
November 11, 1918 -- The end of World War I, after the signing of the Armistice at the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month.
May 30, 1919 -- Prominent British and American personalities establish the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England and the Institute of International Affairs in the U.S. at a meeting arranged by Col. House attended by various Fabian socialists, including noted economist John Maynard Keynes. Two years later, Col. House reorganizes the Institute of International Affairs into the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).
December 15, 1922 -- The CFR endorses World Government in its magazine Foreign Affairs. Author Philip Kerr, states:
"Obviously there is going to be no peace or prosperity for mankind as long as [the earth] remains divided into 50 or 60 independent states until some kind of international system is created...The real problem today is that of the world government."
1928 -- The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by H.G. Wells is published. A former Fabian Socialist, Wells writes:

"The political world of the into a Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments... The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms; it may be in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York... The character of the Open Conspiracy will now be plainly displayed... It will be a world religion."

From: Dan
Date: June 13, 2013, 8:58:32 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Physics is not the Boss

In a blog post... http://stardrive.org/stardrive/index.php/news2/blogs/3368-is-dark-energy-the-signal-back-from-the-future

Jack refers to this article.......

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/01-back-from-the-future#.UbpomCy9KK0

But all of this is begging the question of where is the future Omega/horizon. I'm suggesting it can be fudged. No?

On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Dan wrote:

I would prefer to say that the future hologram is not physical, not in our sense, because our physics derives from it.

That horizon is fixed in eternity. All our space and time are projected from it.

Space and time could appear infinite, within that context, even though from God's PoV, we inhabit a geocentric, young World.

So, there is a confusion, here, between these two perspectives. Jack and I disputed this same point, back in March. Yes?



On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Dan wrote:

This is one of the things that Jack claims to fix the future horizon............

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http://stardrive.org/stardrive/index.php/library/func-download/22/chk,1d47df84de8409c0df7072cf708e8104/no_html,1/
I have been saying this quite independentlly, but Lee does not say it's a retro-causal effect from out future de Sitter horizon. Our past particle horizon is not de Sitter. Specifically, the dark energy density hc/ALp^2 is the cosmological redshift of hc/Lp^4 from our future horizon.

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Tamara places the future horizon at 61 Gyr, in conformal time, compared to our present time of 46 Gyr wrt the origin.

But none of these times are fixed. They are relative to us, at present.

If there were a true or physical 2D hologram future horizon, it would have to be fixed. No?

Who is to say that our future hologram is not 1,000 yr hence? Can this be disproven?

Dan wrote:Thanks, Cy, and here is their website...... http://stormcloudsgathering.com/ 


It is a chilling expose.  We need to know more.  What is the provenance and history of these FEMA/DHS inistiatives?  

From Email - Temple Illuminatus wrote:Check out the discussion 'Extensive Ancient Underground Network Discovered From Scotland to Turkey' and don't forget to leave a comment!

Discussion posted by ቸኝጵVládá Súi Generisኔጡ።:

Archaeologists uncovered thousands of Stone Age underground tunnels, stretching across Europe from Scotland to Turkey, perplexing resear...

Discussion link:
Extensive Ancient Underground Network Discovered From Scotland to Turkey

pman wrote:Yeah I remember what u said bout the underground cities , hmmm I don't think its a coincidence they are "now being found".  The question that i'm waiting to hear is who would have put such structures there ?  ps I think there is a lot of overlapping from atlantis to tesla

Cy from email wrote:I agree with you on the overlapping.  My understanding on the structures is that they predate the global war & planetary calamity that the Dananns fled the planet from for a time.  Basically the planet surface had been largely wiped but some of the undergrounds were still intact at the return and were put in use where they were not already in use.  Some of the ones built in the time of the instability were more primative and attached to the machine made ones from the prior civilization.  Machines/tech take maintenance and in the return there was no way to support it so the maintenance of those place fell into decline as tech/machines failed till there was nothing left.

Now during the Gulf Wars I heard the USG was running around the planet sort of like hitler did in WWII diving into the undergrounds seeking remnants of that old tech.  What they found was shipped back to the labs and DUMBs here in the US.

Cy

From: Dan
Date: June 14, 2013, 7:51:00 PM EDT
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Can the Universe Create Itself?

Gott and Li (1997) only make passing mention of the Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory.  

James Gardner (2007), however, does make strong reference Wheeler's Participatory Universe.

But Gott & Gardner seem to have been a dead end.  What is going on?  

Only the Discover article (2010) suggests that Paul Davies is following up.......

>>> DOES THE UNIVERSE HAVE A DESTINY?
Is feedback from the future guiding the development of life, the universe, and, well, everything? Paul Davies at Arizona State University in Tempe and his colleagues are investigating whether the universe has a destiny—and if so, whether there is a way to detect its eerie influence. <<<

But when I search Davies' websites, I see no mention of a further investigation.  

These are some curious oversights.  


On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Dan  wrote:

James Gardner touts this paper of Gott and Li in the final chapter of his Intelligent Universe, Alpha <-> Omega.

BUT....... nowhere do they mention Post-Selection!!!  

We might wonder who else is following up on this?  



On Jun 14, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Dan  wrote:

And then there is this.......  Can the Universe Create Itself?

http://arxiv.org/abs/astroph/9712344

Perhaps this can be our model?  

Greg Guma: The History of America’s Secret Wars: Corporate Espionage and the Outsourcing of National Security wrote:

Outsourcing Defense

DynCorp began in 1946 as the employee-owned air cargo business California Eastern Airways, flying in supplies for the Korean War. This and later government work led to charges that it was a CIA front company. Whatever the truth, it ultimately became a leading PMC, hiring former soldiers and police officers to implement US foreign policy without having to report to Congress.

The push to privatize war gained traction during the first Bush administration. After the first Gulf War, the Pentagon, then headed by Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, paid a Halliburton subsidiary nearly $9 million to study how PMCs could support US soldiers in combat zones, according to a Mother Jones investigation. Cheney subsequently became CEO of Halliburton, and Brown & Root, later known as Halliburton KBR, won billions to construct and run military bases, some in secret locations.

DL Cuddy wrote:1931 -- In a speech to the Institute for the Study of International Affairs at Copenhagen) historian Arnold Toyee said:


"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands...."