From: Dan
Date: April 29, 2013, 11:11:23 AM EDT
To: Jackpacbell
Cc: 11 others....
Subject: Numbskull, Jack.......
Dick and David,
Thank you for the information and advice. Now, see if you can help me with Jack's problem.......
I think we have it pretty clear that he doesn't want to play Jesus, not even on TV. He doesn't quite have the stomach for it.
What makes Jack a numbskull is that he thinks I want to play a physicist, on TV. No, Jack, I want to play a metaphysician, on TV, and that's not quite the same thing. It's more like playing a doctor, in fact.
See, Jack, numbskull that you are, you were so stooopid that you, and some of your buddies, thought you could bury religion. Well, in Britain and Europe you have almost succeeded. In the rest of the world, you are still, maybe, a couple centuries short of that, provided even that we have that many centuries left, which is why I am here, despite all your numbskullishness.
See, Jack, in the end, it's about hearts and minds. I labor under the impression that, although I may have neither one, I might be able, push come to shove, to also play Tom Sawyer, on TV. IOW, I can trick other people, those with real minds and real hearts, into helping me to save the world, despite ourselves.
Lucky me, I do have a check book, but, as I keep explaining, it's gonna run out, way before the world is saved, so I'm only looking to do a little pump-priming, here, investing in the putative future, as it were........ Uh, oh, did I say the check was in the mail? Well, I lied.
On Apr 29, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Jackpacbell wrote:
I personally don't give a damn about the bible stuff
Dick LOL
We humor Dan
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On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:49 AM, David G. wrote:
If you want to talk eschatology talk The War Scroll from Cave 4 at Qumram or their commentary on the Star prophecy of Daniel with roiled the eastern Mediterranean for generations until the Bar Kochva rebellion was finally snuffed out after unprecedented loss of life on both sides. All of that nonsense about spirit had nothing to do with Jesus. It was Paul's fictionalized Christ Jesus which proved the maxim " if you have to choose between facts and legend; print the legend."
One can quite clearly see how cleverly Paul turned the words of James and Peter upside down in order to ridicule them in Acts. His masterful exposition of the heavenly tablecloth makes Peter look like a weak buffoon. as intended. Peter is a perfect example of someone who is totally written out of history and insulted to boot ! Ah well, the victors write the history and the Bibles too!
Given that belief in physical resurrection was widely held in Palestine, it's no surprise to see it in any if the texts. The innovation was to spiritualize the whole matter,after the Greek fashion for sky gods, stealing the high ground do to speak, from the more literal founders of the Church, such as James the Just, personally attested by Paul in Acts to be Jesus' brother 'in the flesh'; something many of the Church fathers did their best to falsify.
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On Apr 28, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Dick F wrote:
>>> In a message dated 4/28/2013 10:59:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jack writes:
You're going to die soon Dan.
Your Eschaton is all Sound & Fury
A Tale told by a Useful Idiot
Nuff said.
PS cut the "4M/K/SoT/X2" obscurantism
Just make sure the check clears Z. ;-) <<<
Dan,
Your personal "Messianic Legacy" notwithstanding, there are two elements of your Eschaton impersonation gambit you apparently are overlooking. But first (seriously), my commentary merits a sound-track, and the words here actually "speak" to what you seem to be propounding. Play it; listen as you read my fodder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjlbCBCjoEQ
1.) The "crucifixion" aspect, perhaps not literally. But Robert Heinlein had somewhat of a got at this in his Stranger in a Strange Land, when after Valentine Michael Smith (his protagonist, human-born-on-Mars who came to Earth, etc., etc. -- read the book if you've not or have forgotten this element) met his death, his physical body, well the fleshy edible parts, were consumed ceremonially by his dearest and best friends.
Obviously a paean to the transubstantiation of Jesus ("body and blood," although we Presbyterians don't hold it so literally... it's symbolic bread chunks and grape juice, for us ;-) and what the Roman Catholics did to him, but I digress, the point being that any "Messiah," whether proclaimed or self-anointed, is cross-bound.
2.) In that same vein, (oops, sorry -- awful pun), the Christian narrative holds that Jesus "is coming back," and of course the timing is very nearly always "soon." Now, if HE does actually return, in a body of some type, "ethereal" or otherwise, he's going to have to sort out his competing followers, who've spent the better part of two millennia since our culture began counting the years since his birth as our calendar slaughtering one another (as Richard Harris's poem I recently shared with you rather eloquently elucidated).
Point being, Dan, one doesn't just go to the "Christians In Action," (i.e., your references to "Ron," as if our friend Pandolfi has ascended to the right hand of G-d and not some other guy named Clapper or whatever) and announce that you'd like to die in a "suicide by Pharisees," such that the Agency is going to phoney up some credentials, give you a ride on one of the "whiz-bang flying gizmos" (the kind that fool the Mexicans and other slack-jawed cloud waters who then run to wherever Bill Birnes is shooting "UFO Hunters" to give a knuckle-dragging delight of an interview of what they "believe" they saw, replete with zooming in and out of fuzzy imagery, voiced over by Bill and his UFO-nots until it's time for the commercial, in this case Viagra?
Which reminds me, Dan, if you're going to get into the whole "theology marketing" shtick, to set yourself and your product line apart, you might take a page from the aforementioned Viagra ad copy, specifically what is by far THE BEST sales line in human history, disguised of course as a cautionary note for the legal eagles.
That being, "To avoid injury, if you experience an erection lasting more than four hours..." at which point no human male has ever heard the rest of the line, nor for that matter have their erstwhile menopausal sexual playmates, who already are chafing at the mere thought of "four hours" of being ridden by their flaccid old men, but again I digress. Still, the sexual element of your envisioned "Temple of Daniel," (whoa... actually that name has been used previously, "lions den" and all ;-) is not to be disregarded. Ask any priest, OK?
On a more liberal plane, of Christian Apocalyptic Eschatology, some of the rather better philosophy tells us that the actual "return" of Jesus, or rather of the Christed energy he represented during his visit to Earth, is more in the "spiritual realms," i.e., hence the "Do unto others as you would have it done unto you," and my personal fave, "As you do to the least of these, my brethren, so you do unto me." Right up there with JFK's "Ask not..." and Ron Reagan's, "Mr. Gorbachev... tear down that wall!" in terms of memorable headlines.
Seriously, Dan. The whole "Spaceship Earth" needing a captain on her bridge was handled by Buckminster Fuller, or so John Denver told me (back in '81, when he visited Calypso in Norfolk, VA after a concert and we had a party on board, where we all drank too much sangria and sang "Aye, Calypso!" with John leading it!
Later on -- and I was on board because we office and support base staffers were invited to the party, too -- I was on the bridge with John, both of us more or less "holding up the wheel" (helm) as the ship rocked to and fro, as we looked out over the lights of Norfolk and Portsmouth (VA) harbor. See, that whole gig, and those of us who were working it "back when," was aiming at helping to promote an ethos where WE, i.e., those of humanity who are becoming informed and who are capable of THINKING, LEARNING and GROWING and most importantly, essentially, of also SHARING what we're seeing so that others might see for themselves.
Anyway, if you'll recall, this was when Reagan was "launching" SDI ("Star Wars"... by the way, where IS that deployment, anyway? ;-) and the whole "retail UFOlogy" latest incarnation was incubating in Falcon's mind.
John Denver was working on his own approach, through his "Windstar Foundation," and John also was on the citizens advisory group for the Office of Science and Technology Policy (he was a civil engineer by his formal education, later a commercially rated pilot; his dad was a USAF pilot with whom John reconciled -- they'd sort of "fallen out" over the Vietnam War thing -- by John hiring his dad to pilot his personal 727. My point is, Dan, that all you have to do to "get noticed" is to focus, focus, focus and DO SOMETHING great!
Come on, Dan! I mean, what do Paris Hilton or the Kardashians have that make them "famous," compared to a guy who descended from a lineage of Eisenhower officialdom, true blue-blooded Establishmentarian stock, who isn't afraid to hang himself out there, making claims and offering himself up as our American Eucharist?
Heck, even Usama bin Laden had similar background, in his own culture. He offered himself up as "Caliph," and until he had a run-in with DevGru in Pakistan, he was doing pretty well. Online chattering, offering up advice and guidance about how to wage Jihad, I mean. OK, it's different strokes for Islamists, but you're a Christian Danny-Come-Lately, so why don't you just show up in Washington (or St. Louis, or wherever; it's the home of Anheiser-Busch, so you'd get lots of attention is what I'm meaning ;-) and ANNOUNCE THAT YOU ARE THE MESSIAH, and all that we beknighted Earthlings need to do is FOLLOW YOU to E.T.?
Why might that not work?
Taking some looney messiah's "vision," which claims to "chart a course for Planet Earth," hasn't worked out very well in the past. You can debate the reasons... actually, there are universities and seminaries which do precisely that... well, OK. Not precisely at all. But they whittle away at it, making lots of chips and nobody who is actually ENGAGED in trying to make a difference, make a living or even live long enough to suffer and be hungry for another day, watch your latest baby die from not having clean water or watch your daughter go to seek a better life and get hooked into sex trafficking, it matters not at all to where Spaceship Earth may be heading, if it's not already -- as Jack is suggesting -- certifiably "extinct" as a civilization, even though the last human specimens are far from dead. Extinction is an inability to adapt and thus survive, Dan, either as a result of environmental catastrophe or some genetic impairment or, as may be the case with us humans, a fatal information overload resulting in lost of operational coherence, akin to losing cabin pressure on a brain.
You may benefit from a "decompression stop," Dan, as you try to surface -- slowly, following your slowest bubbles to the air-water interface, or in your present case wherever consensus reality meets your fantasy.
(Sorry... my 36 years as a scuba instructor make me not want to see you get "the bends" or embolize.)
That being said, are you coming to Washington tomorrow morning for the Citizens Hearing on Disclosure?
If there's ever an opportunity for you to launch a "Name Dan Christ" campaign, this is it. It's a slow news week coming up, compared to the last two, unless "Little Kim" gets jealous over having been slammed off the front pages by those two pinheads from Dagostan and their wackier momma. We need some fun here!
As ever,
Dick Farley
Washington, DC USA
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