Who do we think we are?

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Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)

Gary,

Perhaps we should.

However, I’m doubtful that there is any point of asking others, if we have no clue about ourselves.

I did ask you about your own encounters.  We don’t even know if the Navy tic tacs contained visitors.  Any alien presence will, ultimately, force us ask about our own presence.  

You might at least pretend to be interested in our topic.  You might even answer your phone, if you wanted to stay engaged.  

Just a thought, Gary.  
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There is no indication that hobbit has ever asked himself a why question.

How innocent can anyone be?  

By age six, most children have been conditioned to stop asking why.  

But some of us never grow up.  

I’m probably not the only one to notice that hobbit has serious issues with consistency.

The crucial element of hobbit’s cosmology is an all pervasive cosmic consciousness.

Most folks pursuing alternative cosmologies hesitate before positing anything more than a semi physical cosmic energy field.



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There is no belief here or non-belief.

I’m not an idiot, it’s very simple Ack, I’m just a talking thinking monkey.

As hobbit, I also enjoy being with my flowers, dogs and snails to having stupid human conversations with believers.

Belief in science and/or persons is a dead end.

We are a here, duh.

No belief required accept by those who follow.

I follow no thing.

Flow...

Flow is not belief, stop lying about zen and awareness Ack, just be a good believer.

Maybe your masters will reward you, prob not.

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I have spoken about belief as virus and thoughts as snakes.

Belief is rubbish.

I’m mostly with Dawkins here.

I am not a materialist, but here we are.

You can’t say more about it than that without being in fairy land.

What you are now doing on OMF is not getting to the bottom of our delusion.

Far from it.

Ignorance here is profound.

Ack wrote:I am not lying about zen.

I ate a zen taco.

The zen taco was pretty good, but not as yummy or filling as fish taco.

You say belief in persons is a dead end, this is a lie.

Belief in persons is life everlasting.

I’ll tell you, you just make your ignorance visible saying such stupid things.

The snakes and virus have you.

I wonder if the antibodies we triggered will help you here.

Time will tell.

silly smelly,

Committing yourself to the flow.  That strikes me as the ultimate faith.  

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

smelly is being much more Christian than almost any Christians.

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns.......

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Ack wrote:I am not lying about zen.

I ate a zen taco.

The zen taco was pretty good, but not as yummy or filling as fish taco.

You say belief in persons is a dead end, this is a lie.

Belief in persons is life everlasting.

I’ll tell you, you just make your ignorance visible saying such stupid things.

The snakes and virus have you.

I wonder if the antibodies we triggered will help you here.

Time will tell.

You have a wonderful gift of living here.

Enjoy it.

Dan, a profoundly stupid huckster.

My life is happening here, no faith needed.

You have just never accepted the way the cosmos works dumb Dan, not logical and reasonable, spontaneously, which makes anything you say about it a lie.

Deny it in your own lives all you like.

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Odorless moron.

No one did or could share anything with a bliss bunny.

You chose not to look at the harsh reality head on.

I get it.

But that makes you just another savior moron, enjoy your ignorance.

They say it’s bliss.

Time will tell.

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You’ve found new chains.

Wear them.

Own it.

Saltless beggar.

smelly,

Each of us has the ability to reason. Was this a gift or a curse?

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Like a dog returning to its vomit.

You have to face and eat the curse.

But coward Ack sack was too stupid to realize that.

Now he mimics Dan.

Odorless, tasteless, saltless; just like the rest of the world settles for.

You guys are getting dumber.

Dumber might be better depending on the time and gravity.

I’m just helping grow beautiful flowers.

Bahahaha

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Are you now

Bahahahaha

Play play play

Say say say

Nay nay nay

Ack,

I think smelly has had a bad day, and he just wants to share the misery.  

There is nothing wrong with that.  Misery and happiness were meant to be shared.


9:30........

I have suggested to Ack that we are not required to have the last word here.  

There are plenty of other things requiring attention.  smelly does know what buttons to push.  

I would like to get back to dear hobbit........


hobbit does point to a cosmic consciousness, rather than just cosmic ‘energy’.  Very astute.  

Cosmic consciousness does not have to be personal.  Pantheists are certainly not oblivious.  

However, it is fair to say that the acknowledgement of consciousness does present us with a slippery slope.......  

Folks in AI and biophysics are very aware of the slipperiness, and, consequently, they have taken great pains to never let consciousness get its foot in the scientific door.  

By deploying the notion of strong AI, they could keep the hope of machine consciousness alive indefinitely.  

There are trillions of dollars at stake in the quest for machine intelligence.  Are we not already there?  Should we not have given up the ghost in the machine long ago?  

I point to the distinction between the emulation of intelligence and the mere simulation of intelligence.  

The famous Turing test deftly manages to ignore this ontological difference, by committing itself utterly to platitudes of behaviorism, long after behaviorists had deserted that ship.  

I doubt that hobbit concerns himself with such questions.  


Why then cosmic consciousness, and not just cosmic energy?

I’m really not sure.......

Perhaps he is being just a little more honest than his confrères in fringe physics.  

Another test of his honesty is whether or not he is willing to embrace the Anthropic Principle.  I’ve don’t recall that phrase ever passing his lips.  

That is a very big oversight for all his fellow fringies.  

I’ll have to hand it to hobbit.... he does not shy away from the radical nature of his cosmology.  He does not pull those punches.  

He frequently refers to the inhaling and exhaling of his cosmic fields, almost as if they were animated, in the fashion of Hindu cosmologists..... the breath of Brahman.  

The entire notion of spirit is an implicit acknowledgment of its correlation with breath.  



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Philosophy is useless here.

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Ack wrote:Cool smelly, you are here.

Wow!

Congrats!

How did you ever manage to get here?

And you haven’t pretender.

Now you know.

God just stopped by to laugh at you.

You big boys can take it.

Your beliefs should be able to help.

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Ack, come on dude, why do you continue to pick things up to attach to?

Relax dude.

I'm starting to think you aren't being honest or you really are schizo.

I guess this system can drive any of us monkeys to crack up, look at whoknows.

Bahahahahahahaha

You can either go along with UG and see the system for what it is or you can try to prop up the appearances.

It doesn't matter either way really.

That should be a prompt to do what I wonder?

Pfffftttt.

Show me what you got.



Smile like you mean it.

Dan can't talk millennial, another subject he is clueless about.

What a pathetic idolator you turned out to be.