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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.

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Post by dan Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:35 pm

First topic message reminder :

Testing.......

Yes, it is working.

Congratulations to Cyrellys & Co.!

I will be continuing the BPWH blog from Compass Morainn, which was a continuation from the original OMF site on ProBoards, which is in the process of being re-archived from that site.

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Post by Admin Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:23 am

Public is not entitled to public records. National Security State apparatus is applied to all materials. The terminology of "public record" is still in use, like so much in the judicial system that still thinks the Constitution holds weight (power) but watch even documents already in the public sector, if you possess them you can be prosecuted and your life destroyed...this is precedence being set and is not congruent with a Constitutional Republic.

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Post by Admin Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:25 am

And remember ufology and exopolitics should not be mixing with Conspiracy Theory ('er Situational Reality). People might be come educated enough to rescue their world.

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Post by Jake Reason Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:38 am

Admin wrote:The point was not that it was or was not a hoax. Look at the purposes and movement around it's inceptional use.

True to be said, there are more disagreements among Ufologers than in religion. But with regards to material evidence of visitation, which this video alleges to be, successful acclimation will require a majority quorum among the most studied in this field.

Stan's contact testimony had been considered to be worthy of investigative merit. But the video? that was an Oopsy Daisy!

And thus the opposite of the intended purposes was the outcome.

Cognitive dissonance for contact acclimation was not achieved in this case. One step forward, three steps back.

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PS: Thank you for all your information today, Cyrellys. It is all apropos.

I don't think however, the fear planners are all out in left field. Truly, there will be a significant percentage of the population that will create chaos after D-Day.

But I agree as you, we need more positive preparedness, or 'hope proselytization' if you will. Peaceful Acclimation should incorporate respect to all projected emotions.

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Post by Admin Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:45 am

Thanks Jake,

We are indeed a house divided. It was deliberate and continues.

They are only out in left field because of how this is being done. Process does matter. And some forms of safety are worse than the affliction...sort of like the lists of side effects for some modern medicines.

Foresight is worthless when those who make choices that influence the lives of everyone won't listen.

I agree on one point theylike to make, that there will never be a majority quorum among the most studied in the field.

And I choose to remain neutral on the other, "that ufologists/exopoliticians are incapable of recognizing real when presented with it."

My concerns are bigger than these little, mutually self-destructive pizzing matches.

The patriot community is fully receptive, but their concern is also bigger. The corruption will be dealt with first. For the moment the corrupt are busy hanging themselves with their own noose for all the world to see. No one need lift a finger to oppose them at this time. They are their own worst enemy.

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Post by Bard Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:10 pm

Jake Reason wrote:
I don't think however, the fear planners are all out in left field. Truly, there will be a significant percentage of the population that will create chaos after D-Day.

But I agree as you, we need more positive preparedness, or 'hope proselytization' if you will. Peaceful Acclimation should incorporate respect to all projected emotions.

Nodding head......

Perhaps, this transition will require a New Agora......

Welcome - LF

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Post by Jake Reason Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:19 pm

Quite the quagmire, isn't it.

Digress...

Statistically (a net study will confirm), 25-32% of all children born and raised in North America and Europe, will grow up to become "profoundly neurotic". That is 5-8 out of every 25 public school children.

What this means is that they will adapt numerous false presumptions and consider them to be reality. And thus live their lives as if their false presumptions are true, normal and real.

And as their presumptions are profound contradictions of reality, their outward 'self projection'/'social style' of communication and existence, will cause extreme stressful relations with those they interact with in their world.

Consequently, at some time in their adult life, they will be either banished/shunned by family and friends, and/or under extensive psychological therapy, and/or psychiatric treatment, and/or imprisoned in a jail or penitentiary, in order to protect the rest of society.

25-32%!

Now most of these partially heal. But at Any Given Time, this significant portion of society are either on the verge of breaking down, or already lost, and/or drug addicted, or living on the street, or in a prison cell, or medical psych ward, or seeking help, or on psychiatric meds, or recovering.

Surprising but true. This is our world.

Given this sizable percentage of the population, many of these are our neighbors in every facet of society whom we encounter and interact with. At every level, from extended family, to the grocery store clerk, to our respected VIPs and Leaders in business, education, community, the arts, media, government or professional services.

We who aspire to positively effect the future, need to be mindful to incorporate this demographic reality into our understanding of the complexities required to effect change in society.

Compassionately,
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We who aspire to positively effect the future, need to be mindful to incorporate this demographic reality into our understanding of the complexities required to effect change in society.

Compassionately,
Jake

Very True Jake! IMO we wouldn't have half the problems we face if this were common practice. Unfortunately our world seems to have leaders with a penchant for whacking hornets nests thoughtlessly, like this description below:

QUOTE:

INTEL BRIEFING – 3/11/13
For dissemination throughout the Frontiersmen and to our friends
RE: Federal action against patriot groups in US
Today at 10AM there was a very large meeting at the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division (CJIS)
headquarters in Clarksburg, WV. The meeting was held in an auditorium and included everyone – from agents to
the secretaries. The meeting was organized by the Director of the Biometric Identification Management Agency
(BIMA), Colonel Bolo (ret.).
Bolo summarized the purchase of 24 new armored vehicles (each costing $400k) and the recent appearance of 20
mobile headquarters that are now present at the facility. The mobile units are semi-trailers with attached
generators in the front; are of a shiny, mirrored-silver finish; and have no identifiable markings on them at all.
There are 20 of them parked (visibly in front) at 1000 Cluster Hollow Rd, Clarksburg, WV as of today.
Additionally, there are 24 armored cars (the same ones we have seen with DHS markings) parked in a different lot
on this property, but they too may be visible.
The Colonel went into great detail on a list of patriot/constitutional groups. According to witnesses, this is a list
that may be identical or very close to the one put out by the SPLC but had over 1000 groups on it. He explained
that although groups may take advantage of the 2nd Amendment debate to garner followers now, at the heart of
all these organizations is a racist core; one that poses a threat and will need to be dealt with soon. This is when he
tied the armored cars and mobile command trailers to ‘the mission’.
The armored cars (those at the facility and nationwide) are to effect high-risk warrants on the ringleaders of the
listed various groups with command centers being placed as necessary. The DHS and FBI are planning to move at
one time against the listed groups; with SWAT teams being utilized against the more threatening ones. The
colonel explained that all these groups have been successfully infiltrated and the leaders identified. He also
explained that this is part of the new Internal Security Force that the president has been alluding to. In answering a
question from an attendee regarding the mass purchase of ammo, he also stated that the buildup of arms and
ammo was specifically for this ‘mission’.
The witness has told me that after the meeting, everyone they seen were against this. People were complaining,
shaking their head in disbelief, and asking what the heck going on. According to them, NOBODY (including
federal agents present) planned on going along with this and many even talked about how this will ignite a war.
The report I received can be verified through any personal contacts you may have at this center or connected to
the agencies mentioned. You may also visibly inspect the lot for these trailers by driving to the location in
Clarksburg. The witness was extremely bothered by the meeting and has said ‘it is coming and a hell of a lot
sooner than people think’.
I used to think that mass roundups would never happen – but with this new information, I can clearly see that this
is exactly what is going to happen (at least to a certain number of militia/patriot groups). And inevitably, any
action this crazy will result in a reaction by others. The specter of Civil War in this country is a real and present
danger folks – prepare.
If you look at this map and scroll to the left following Cluster Hollow Rd, you will see where the road splits in
two. There is also a small parking lot. This is where the silver trailers and armored cars are parked.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=1000+cluster+hollow+road+google+map&ie=UTF-
8&hq&hnear=0x884a68aacdccccc1%3A0xe09e71070fba8dbe%2C1000+Custer+Hollow+Rd%2C+Bridgeport%2
C+WV+26330&gl=us&ei=2yc-UaTDHeuz0QG5jYGIBA&ved=0CDsQ8gEwAA

END QUOTE

I'm still hunting the story behind the story here on this piece. The place it was posted on the net has now been cleaned of it. Not unusual though for this sort of subject matter. It's why you copy such things before they vaporize.

The machines are verified, the ammunition is verified, the reported meeting and stated intent has yet to be.

Cy

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Post by Admin Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:26 am

I'd be less likely to blink at such things if it weren't for the frequency of corresponding behavior.

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Post by Bard Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:28 am

Admin wrote:We are indeed a house divided. It was deliberate and continues.

How often has man truly been united - even so, with God? Better yet, how often was it 'sustainable'? Nations rise and fall like the waves upon the beaches timeless sands.

"The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good."

James Madison as Publius

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Post by dan Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:37 am

Larry was quite nervous about the meeting yesterday, but it seemed to go off fine..... me at the whiteboard, drawing circles, with Chris asking questions....... good ones, seeming to find no major flaws.

The warp of Creation is the circulating cosmic soul, 10^11 times. My question to Chris is to come up with the woof that would include atoms and stars, and that we can tell to Jack, on Wednesday.

Ron called to see how the 'road trip' was going. He suggests that Larry ought to get us a plane, but that would be tough for getting overseas. And it depends on how big the go-team will need to be.

Yes, the woof is the bone we need to throw to Jack, just to scare him a little bit.

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Post by Jake Reason Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:08 am

Thank you Cyrellys... startling! I guess it would remain prudent to adapt the Swiss way on such matters.

@MD, a New Agora? Indeed, Sages are in growing demand.

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Post by Jake Reason Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:19 am

dan wrote:
Ron called to see how the 'road trip' was going. He suggests that Larry ought to get us a plane, but that would be tough for getting overseas. And it depends on how big the go-team will need to be.

WHAT!? From Wilmington to Kansas City in a day!? If you weren't in a plane, how many reckless driving charges did you get?

I know I set my clocks forward on Sunday, but obviously there is something missing in your road trip story.

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The 'woof" is intention. No?

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Post by dan Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:47 am

Intention........ hmmm........ maybe that'll work........

Plane......... Ron didn't say take a plane...... he said get a plane.......

March madness in Rome........ Who will come out of the sweet Sistine?

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Post by Jake Reason Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:54 am

Is there a physics term for 'intention'? Or is the concept considered too metaphysical?

I saw the "get". The most reliable way is charter. Many ailerons sit in hangers waiting for customers.

Sistine - only one ballot today, so perhaps we'll learn tomorrow.

edit: too many words

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Post by dan Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:51 am

We need your prayers, out there, if we are going to keep the CTMU and the BPWH moving forward. And they should be directed to Larry, who is the man on the spot, here in KC. He is the one who can hold Chris and me together. It has, very seriously, in the last two days, been the best of times and the worst of times. Yes, we are being tested to the utmost. However, all three of us are still alive, and it is a beautiful new day!

What more can we ask for??

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Post by Jake Reason Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:38 am

Tomorrow it will be more beautiful - 68 and sunny. Rather chilly today.

As you know, Dan, I am well acquainted with the root of any contentions. Who could keep track of how many arguments we've had. Your philosophical leaps are extraordinary at times.

So what's up, Dan? Which major contentions are you wrestling with?

Let me guess...

Imminence?
If so, why should anyone be required to agree with imminence when there are no cosmological indications for it?

Defining Ouroboros?
Must the end of our contemporary age as we know it, necessarily mean the end of all creation?

The Spirit of Truth/Jesus returned?
Hopefully you aren't stuck on this one. You will need to discard that act.

UT/ET Hypothesis?
Well, no one needs to decide on this. Forcing it will not serve any fruitful purpose.

Young Earth Hypothesis?
Anyone with an IQ above 150 can not possibly entertain this archaism. So let this remain a non-starter.

I could list more, but we'll stop there.

Can you share the problem, Dan?

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