Hello, Cy, hello, OMF II

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I will be continuing the BPWH blog from Compass Morainn, which was a continuation from the original OMF site on ProBoards, which is in the process of being re-archived from that site.



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OMG..... we just saw the first showing of a revival of Lost in the Stars, here at GGF. A powerful production it is, with most of the cast from SA. This is the operatic version of Cry the Beloved Country (1948). The most powerful staging I can recall..... of anything.... There you go. Now we're OTD..... Nice to see that the Manx Missile cleaned up, speaking of staging.



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Another great matinee at the opera, this time Aida, in quasi-modern dress, complete with AK47's and waterboarding. Love wins by losing, tragically. The conductor was straight from the Cairo opera, with some 200 performances of Aida. We tried to ascertain the the operatic politics in modern Egypt, without much insight into that particular aspect of the clash of cultures. Afterwards there was a soiree with the divas...... a more intimate interlude. We had a strong thunderstorm last night, complete with hail, on the other side of the lake.
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The whole business of the ETH v UTH has been very useful in controlling the acclimation process. The mythos of the ETH has been exploited to maintain a partial disclosure, one that also touches upon eschatology and paradigm shifts, without invoking their full-blown renditions, nor invoking the BPWH, needless to say.

The evangelical crowd, however, is not taking this bait. They remain much more on the side of the UTH, even those who also adopt the Old Earth Hypothesis (OEH), viz. this book from Reasons to Believe. The fact of this built-in bias toward the UTH, on the part of a significant segment of the US, puts a strong constraint on the exploitation of the ETH, wrt controlled acclimation.

Also, wrt to triggering D-day, it could well be that climate change, despite its lengthy timeframe, could provide such a trigger, when leveraged with an ongoing credit crisis.

I'm thinking of the changing patterns of precipitation that are brought on by the lessening of the latitudinal temperature gradient resulting from the polar emphasis in the greenhouse effect.




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Question with regards to panpsychic catastrophe....why would you think in order to understand more or improved you say it is necessary to understand less (reductive elimination of the Psyche/[Consciousness],)? Eliminate parts of the Consciousness?

Quote: the philosophy of the mind, as it struggles to contain the contamination of the mind with phenomena or Qualia, and other non-analyzable aspects of the mind.

To remove any complexity from our Consciousness also by attrition(?) would remove complexity from the processes and collectives we contribute to...if the Source benefits from increase in complexity then we would be reducing or hindering it's consciousness when we do so to our own. Assumed: all things are interconnected multi-dimensionally. In this we are already part of the Source and there is not any 'need to return' or go 'anywhere'. Instead more complex utilization of consciousness interconnectivity would seem apparent.

Just because something is currently beyond the capacity of the mind or social institutions to analyze does not make it impertinent to understanding or contamination vs part of the reality.

If the apple falls from the tree you are contemplating, the apple is part of the tree's reality whether you choose to think it qualia or a contaminating event...the tree at its inherent level has a program that instructs a purpose and act toward reproduction...but if your contemplation of the tree is yet unaware that a tree can contain instructions, or you are yet unaware of dna or even that the apple is vessel containing seeds then you would entirely miss the boat of its significance.

So why rule out any present detail as insignificant or contamination?

any panpsychic event will be multi-dimensional whether it is catastrophic or not.

Cy

dan wrote:Another great matinee at the opera, this time Aida, in quasi-modern dress, complete with AK47's and waterboarding. Love wins by losing, tragically. The conductor was straight from the Cairo opera, with some 200 performances of Aida. We tried to ascertain the the operatic politics in modern Egypt, without much insight into that particular aspect of the clash of cultures. Afterwards there was a soiree with the divas...... a more intimate interlude. We had a strong thunderstorm last night, complete with hail, on the other side of the lake.
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The whole business of the ETH v UTH has been very useful in controlling the acclimation process. The mythos of the ETH has been exploited to maintain a partial disclosure, one that also touches upon eschatology and paradigm shifts, without invoking their full-blown renditions, nor invoking the BPWH, needless to say.

The evangelical crowd, however, is not taking this bait. They remain much more on the side of the UTH, even those who also adopt the Old Earth Hypothesis (OEH), viz. this book from Reasons to Believe. The fact of this built-in bias toward the UTH, on the part of a significant segment of the US, puts a strong constraint on the exploitation of the ETH, wrt controlled acclimation.

Also, wrt to triggering D-day, it could well be that climate change, despite its lengthy timeframe, could provide such a trigger, when leveraged with an ongoing credit crisis.

I'm thinking of the changing patterns of precipitation that are brought on by the lessening of the latitudinal temperature gradient resulting from the polar emphasis in the greenhouse effect.




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? Greenhouse effect? How about something big enough to affect both our sun AND us?



This video is from one year ago



And this video is from June 3

quote from poster: If you're bored to wait, go to 1:27 and see what you want to see. View in fullscreen! =)

ZetaTalk Comment 7/7/2012: Increasingly, private funds are being placed into space endeavors that can only be interpreted as helping cash strapped governments watch the approach of Planet X and be alert to the whips of its debris ridden tail. Where NuSTAR, deployed June 21, 2012 for x-ray detection, is a NASA satellite, the Square Kilometre Array ground based radio array is privately funded. Where the X-B37 plane was sent aloft by the Air Force, Brandson’s Virgin Galactic rushed to fill in for the ISS shuttle by 2012, and Jeff Bezo’s Blue Origin and other endeavors are a private push to get man and machines into space, for unspecified reasons. Now we have the nonprofit B-612 Foundation sending a privately funded satellite aloft to watch out for asteroids.

We have stated that in the past the elite assumed they could escape to Mars or to the dark side of the Moon to ride out the devastation of the Pole Shift, and certainly assumed that their underground bunkers would be secure. What went wrong with these plans? Escape to Mars or the Moon required assistance from Service-to-Self aliens, who lied as the Service-to-Self are wont to do. Underground bunkers proved to be filled with radon gas and other emissions from increasingly stressed rock, deadly within days to those placed there as test subjects. Now they are on the surface of Earth along with the common man whom they expected to leave to their fate when Planet X passed. They are frantic to get advance warning on the hour of the passage and any advance warning they can on large debris ridden swipes of the tail.

http://www.zetatalk3.com/ning/07jy2012.htm

http://goingglobaleastmeetswest.blogspot.com/2012/07/alert-level-36-nibiru-is-near-john.html





Excerpt from article:

CP .. "When you watch the video you will see a map of the U.S. that shows the approximate areas of the continental U.S. that may be flooded as a result of Nibiru's affect on our planet. Do a Google search on the Edgar Cayce map of U.S. and the U.S. Navy map of the flooded U.S. for more references. I am not trying to scare, but want to inform so that you may make some preparations in case we have a gigantic Katrina situation in the U.S. that could disrupt our way of life for quite sometime. Remember, The people perish for lack of knowledge, and God, in his mercy has been sounding an alarm of an event that is coming and it is a good thing to know and be vigilent so that we can help our families and neighbors just in case"

This video that was posted yesterday, July 11, 2012, is a very serious about a report that the U.S. military has been conducting briefings with military families that are located along the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf coasts. They are being told that they will have a 2 week notice and will only be able to take 2 bags with personal items when they are given the green light to move away from their areas.

Apparently the 10th planet, Nibiru, has entered our solar system and it is expected that these coastal areas will be flooded along with earthquakes and 200 mph winds as a result of this 10th planet's affect on our earth.

Most likely we have been experiencing the pull of this very large "planet" or possible binary star to our sun. This "planet" has a 3600 year orbit around our sun and has been referred to as The Destroyer by past civilizations and has been thought to have contributed to major catastrophic earth changes in the ancient past.

The gentleman, John Moore, on the video, spoke to a caller who lives about 75 miles from Cleveland, Ohio who asked how far should she be from Lake Erie. He said that she was probably okay but it would be good for her to be at over 100 feet above sea level.

The families that attended these briefings have to sign non-disclosure agreements that they won't relay any of the information told to them.

Shrug. Cy

Cy,

With reference to your comments on the Panpsychic Catastrophe, I'm not sure that we're on the same page........

Where you speak of complexity, I speak of simplicity.......

I humbly submit that, in this age of the knowledge/information explosion, any and all attempts at simplification should receive the utmost consideration. The BPWH is the most radical of such simplification schemes, and, as such, it should be receiving a priority of consideration.

The fact that it is receiving virtually no public consideration, I consider to be THE essential component of the coverup of the Eschaton. Am I thereby/hereby complaining? Heck no! I am primarily a spectator to these events, which I find both interesting and amusing. Nothing else has ever compared, IMHO. It was almost 35 years ago that I cast my fate to the wind/Sophia. Some days have seemed better than others. Today I'm focused on the opening of the Olympics, which may or may not have a connection.

If I'm misreading your comments on complexity wrt the PC, then please elaborate.


Wrt Nibiru, I have mixed feelings........

I see all such prognostications through the lens of the MoAPS..... They are attempts to materialize the MoAPS. As such they add to both the anticipation of the MoAPS, and also to its confusion. Am I complaining? Heck, no!


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Here is a useful article concerning strategic preparedness......

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/us/armys-plans-to-relocate-gear-offer-roadmap-to-future-roles.html?hp

There was a lengthy convo with AMP concerning L/RP.

And I sent the following email to Sam's short list......

From: Dan Smith
Date: July 27, 2012 2:32:33 PM EDT
To: "Charles......
Subject: Re: Fossil fuel shortages vs. Climate Change: New article by Bill McKibben

Sam and Charlie, 

There is a crucial point here that we perhaps ought to discuss....... 

I labor under the impression that the primary human impact of climate change has to do with the diminished distribution of fresh water, due to the diminished jet-stream, brought on by the diminished temperature differential between the equator and the poles, since global warming is supposed to be most pronounced in the polar regions.  If this is a new idea to anyone on this selective list, then it deserves some discussion.  

Dan 

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OMG, the Queen arrives at the stadium......

I just had an 80 minute convo with Palmer concerning Rupert Sheldrake, Matthew Fox and Brian Swimme.

And Palmer recommends this book.....

http://www.amazon.com/American-Grace-Religion-Divides-Unites/dp/1416566716


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And then there is this.......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/from-the-beatles-to-dizzee-rascal-music-was-the-heartbeat-of-olympic-opening-ceremony/2012/07/27/gJQABOafEX_story.html

It is quite exciting, but no big surprises, fortunately. I did have a 35 min convo with R. He assured me that there was nothing professional wrt phenomenology. There was only a concern that the Ruskies we exploiting UFOs.

Tom B. leads off the coverage, whose wife, Meredith, I spoke to last month, at the ranch of a mutual friend.


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And so it continues.......



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Allow me some further speculation concerning the ontology of mathematics......

A primary corollary of the BPWH is that mathematics provides us with an eternal slice of the Dialectic. And this fact is manifested particularly in the Pythagorean nature of mathematical physics.

Mathematics is a maximally abstract slice of the organicism that lies at the foundation of the world. The is organicism may be viewed most clearly in the Mandelbrot, although that object seems, at present, to stand quite apart, along with the other fractals, from the rest of the mathematical corpus, where the term 'corpus' is used very deliberately.

TBMK, ground zero of mathematical organicity is to be found in number theory, in general, and in questions concerning the distribution of primes, in particular........

The Riemann Hypothesis, which speaks directly to the distribution question, is widely considered to be the most important unsolved problem in mathematics.

The non-randomness of the primes is most directly visible in the Ulam Spiral. TBMK, there exists no rationale concerning this most obvious mystery of mathematics...... but do see this note concerning Hardy-Littlewood.

Before heading off to SfA/GFC let me just note the interesting Skewes' number. I'll have more to say about this, after church.


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I've forgotten what I was going to say about Skewes. It's about Hardy-Littlewood and Riemann. There is a connection here with spectral theory.

My understanding is that, in the theory of Hamiltonians, there is a 'natural' repulsion between individual energy levels, so as to prevent 'accidental' degeneracy. Here is one such study...... http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610139 ..... "To date, no double zeros have been found in the Riemann zeta function." This is a big issue, and it relates directly to repulsion of quantum energy levels. This is why prime numbers are not randomly distributed. I'm not sure if this also relates to twin primes.

And then see this...... http://publications.ias.edu/sites/default/files/ND.pdf This about beauty in mathematics and the Langlands program, and how it connects with number theory.

So, yes, mathematics is highly organic, and it has to do with mathematical physics, which is why I brought up the connection with spectral theory.

And now I'll be glad to bring up quantum theory and Srinivasa. Srini and the youngest mathematician prove that the human mind is totally tuned into the cosmos, and that we are thereby tuned into the mind of the Creator. This is, very significantly, about Apokatastasis.

Orgnaicism is about monism, which is about the Dialectic, which leads to Trinitarianism and the Zodiac.



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Yesterday, I was stuck on spilt milk, or, more dramatically on broken glass. In general this is the problem that entropy poses for the immaterialist.

Less famously, entropy also poses problems for materialists......

I'm disappointed with the wiki entry on entropy. Nowhere is there an indication that there might be a problem with our understaning of entropy. This is no small part of our denial of ignorance. There once was an Encyclopedia of Ignorance (1978). There now is just Ignorance (2012). I would recommend both of them, but both of them pull their punches, away from science and towards God, implicitly.

The issue of scientific ignorance has been politicized beyond all repair or redemption. It will only ever be addressed under the threat of the MoAPS/BPWH. That political sensitivity is a prime component behind the disclosure strategy of our dramaturgic demiurge.

Scientists, qua materialists, will only admit to a gappy ignorance, and so whenever the Intelligent Design folks raise an issue like irreducible complexity, the materialists respond with the God of the Gaps (GoG) argument.

The ID'ers leave the argument hanging there. Chicken Little presses on. Why no followup by the ID'ers? Why are they so timid? It's very simple....... the next logical step beyond the God of the Gaps requires that one invoke the Spirit of Truth.

The only logical response to the GoG argument of the skeptics is to take a gnostic stance concerning the possible shape of our ignorance. But the only coherent shape that one may posit is that of the BPWH along with it's eschatological MoAPS, and this explicitly invokes the SoT as well as the X2, which, of course, is the 3rd rail of any philosophical/religious discourse. It is the game stopper, to end all game stoppers, and this ring-pass-not is just the trip-wire of our dramatic demiurge. It is the glass ceiling of all intellectual discourse....... in case of emergency, break the glass. And so we come back to the question of entropy and glass breaking, as seen from a spiritual/eschatological dimension.

Time is strangely irreversible, unless, according to the BPWH, you have access to Noah's Ark, which is the time machine to end all time machines.

Just in this one measly entry of the blog to end all blogs, I have probably given more shape to our ignorance than has anyone. Hey, check it out...... check google..... call my bluff...... make my day!

Folks are afraid to look too far into the dark glass, the cloudy crystal ball, of our ignorance, lest they see a light, a light that has a structure to it. If anything, my job is just to quote the angel of the Lord..... Fear not!

Yes, we are sore afraid of the Eschaton, and very understandably so. We daily pray for the Lord to hurry, but always with the caveat...... Not on my watch! Unless, perhaps, you wish to strap on one of those death-vests..... and good luck with that..... speaking of entropy and drama!

So, no, there is no encyclopedia of ignorance, not one that lives up to the name, outside of the BPWH/MoAPS/4M/K/SoT/X2. I predict that there will not be such an Other.


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And, now, briefly back to the prime numbers, which, along with, say, the Mandelbrot, may be as close to an analytical core of our ignorance, as anything, with the understanding that Agape is irreducible.

It may be fair to say that the prime numbers form a quasi-fractal, perhaps not unlike the quasi-crystal of Penrose. If I were to speculate that there might be a deep connection between these two mysteries, and so, between all quasi-natural mysteries, I would be, and have been, accused of mystagoguery. I wear that badge with no small amount of pride.

What more can I say about the revealed organicity of mathematics? All of its deep mysteries appear to be related. Are there any that are not? Certainly they are related to the mysteries of Anthropics and consciousness. Need I say more? The glass of mysteries..... is it half empty or half full? How might it conceivably be filled, other than with something that looks very much like the BPWH?


Here's another point to keep in mind...... the end of ignorance necessarily spells the end of progress, and so the end of history, both of which have been and are being touted, with more or less degrees of prematurity, given the logical impossibility of Perpetual Progress. We might wonder why so few intellectuals have ever even broached this topic. There is a distinct aroma of the Tabu, surrounding this topic, not at all unlike the proscriptions surrounding the Tetragrammaton, and, I firmly believe, for the same reasons.

Ray Kurzweil dances around this bonfire of all our vanities, e.g. as noted here.

This G&S site is new to me. At first I wondered how I might have missed it, but further examination provided the answer. It is severly truncated wrt its apologetics, even more so than is RTB, from which it is a spinoff. In the 'end' it is another good example of the SoT barrier in apologetics.


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I have spent some time attempting to explore again the RtB site. I am disappointed, but hardly surprised, to see that is has been dumbed-down, just in the last year or so. It is moving toward slickness, and toward favoring a wider audience with shorter articles and videos, and there is not even a way to directly access the older, more meaty articles, without wading through the newer stuff.

Is this dumbing-down deliberate? It may be, to a degree, but mostly I'm willing to suppose that it is simply following a logical 'business' model that gives minimal weight to intellectual rigor or coherence. Will more sites, with possibly more coherence, like G&S be spun off? If so, they will not be easy to find, unless they cooperate, which is not too likely, given the tunnel vision of most evangelicals.


Back to breaking glass and entropy.........

I don't think it is terribly difficult to program believable entropy into a virtual reality. Entropy is, per force, a principle component of most VR environments/simulations. This does raise the question as to the cosmic substrate of our VR.

Put in a more general perspective, how does entropy relate to direct perception (DP), which is another basic component of the BPWH and immaterialism, in general.

Wrt DP, one problem with it has to do with its Platonism, which abhors entropy. In Plato's world, entropy exists only in the sub-lunar or corruptible mundane realm. Heaven is all about the eternal forms. This dualistic view remains an essential component of the Helenized prophetic tradition.

There is a dual pronged strategy, here, wrt organic v. inorganic entropy generating processes. I would subsume the organic processes to metabolic cycles within ecosystems. OTOH, the inorganic processes would be subsumed within chaos theory and fractal dynamics.

What does this say about Platonism and DP......?


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We cannot perceive an object w/o also perceiving its history. But why can we not then also perceive its future? How is the future kept so shrouded?

OTOH, how are the other space-time boundaries of our nathropocentric world rendered so transparent? These two conditions appear contradictory.



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We did manage to cover quite a bit of ground, yesterday. If I could do as well, everyday, we might be able to see the Eschaton, on a clear day. But still, entropy does leave a sour taste wrt to the BPWH.

But it is probably not my fault. It is the bitter legacy of Descartes, inevitable magical genius that he was. Every thing that has happened since Descartes has been an attempt to reconcile mind and matter, somewhat along the lines of the Athens-Jerusalem axis.

Pythagoras has spearheaded the reconciliation, in the tradition of mathematical physics. If we could understand the math/phys interface, then we would be very close to understanding the mind/matter interface. These are the yin&yang of any cosmology. There is obviously a boundary/bonding problem, which is a key problem in organics and inorganics, as with the immune system and surface physics, etc. Atoms do play a key role, but they are, at the same time, emergent properties of the cyclic phenomena.

And, you see, therefore, the great significance of the Alpha/Omega gap, and why the J-person is, necessarily the master of that Gap. The SoT/CL merely has to explain how that works, as if we didn't already intuit it, but we do need a timely refresher course.

What are the boundary/entropy problems of math? Generally there are boundary conditions on differential equations that need to be satisfied at the origin and/or at infinity, with possible discrete poles elsewhere. Boundaries can also be dealt with by the introduction of higher dimensions, as has been done with string theory. When we speak of the 'point at infinity' we are using a dimensional reduction. Another trick in physics is dimensional regularization and the renormalization group.

OTOH, math knows no boundaries, and that is an integral part of its seductive beauty. It's just numbers, all the way down. There are no infrared or ultraviolet catastrophes. There is no panpsychic catastrophe.

But wait, there is a sort of boundary between the decidable and undecidable. Is it Chaitin who has looked at this, particularly? Gregory, that is. This has to do with the halting problem and with Godel's incompleteness. His work is sufficiently esoteric so as to attract philosophical criticism.

No small part of the fascination with the Riemann Hypothesis is that it seems to lie about as close to the decidability boundary as it is possible to get to. The closer you get, the deeper you go, into the heart of the mathematical beast. Where is Sir Gallahad, when we need her? But we suspect that SG has already slain the beast, we're just trying to explain how it worked. Clearly, it has something to do with the meeting of our Enemy......

The Eschaton..... is it friend or foe? Will it be the death of entropy? Will life go on? Atoms..... we'd look funny without them. And mind the Gap!

But, no, see, it's not numbers all the way down. At some point we run into intuition. Mathematicians love to fight about the three different flavors of mathematics, particularly since the death of Hilbert's decidability program.


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But the 'intuition' referred to, here, is not to be confused with intuitionism, one of the many flavors in the philosophy of mathematics, which I'll need to review, after I review the history of the Alawites, speaking of boundary problems.

I notice that the original 3 flavors of math have multiplied considerably, just since I checked, a couple of years ago. It's rather like sectarianism, wherein the splitting of hairs is the order of the day.


11:30----------

Wrt the Aliwites, I'm trying to make sense of the various messianic offshoots of Islam. I've not yet found a coherent/concise summary of messianic Islam. The bigger question is how has Christianity managed to avoid any such, specifically messianic, sectarianism, while Judaism and Islam frequently experience such schisms.

Where is the messianic exception to non-messianic Xianity? These are to be found in the various claimants to the SoT prophecy, wherein Joachim de Fiore seems to stand out, as, at least, being the prophet of the prophet.


Most Shiites are of the Twelver/messianic persuasion, expecting the 12th Imam, al-Mahdi, to reappear, with Jesus, in the Endtimes. As part of their belief in their messianic fulfillment, some offshoots, such as the Bahai and Aliwites, observe some of the Christian ceremonies, albeit often in private.

In their more frequent and schismatic Millenarian enthusiasms, the Shia are more like the Protestants, whereas the Sunnis are more like the Catholics, in their amillennialism. That the Philippines and Indonesians are almost exclusively Catholic and Sunni, respectively, may indicate a cultural convergence of some kind. One could even point to a north/south divide, but, in that case, the exceptions would prove instructive. Confucianism is an instructive exception. Taoism seems to carry the Millenarian seeds that are lacking in Confucianism. Millenarianism does seem to infect the populist idigenes of a given society or region.

Just try to find these bits of observations in the academy, or even on the Internet. In general, the PtB are not prone to eschatology. Duh!? The notion of Perpetual Progress, tabu though that subject is, is their best attempt, ever, to channel the plebeian enthusiasms into a work ethic, of some kind. So you can see why PP is such a sensitive topic. It is the thin blue line against anarchic charisms.


Hey...... here is a perfectly good overview of messianism, right in front of my nose!


IMHO, a very consequential lacuna of the above review is the non-mention of the cargo-cult messianism of ufology. The stone that the builders rejected is to become the cornerstone of eternity. Does MJ12 know this? They might.


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Wow, yes, do read the above summary very carefully. It has offered several new insights.

As I preach and practice it, the Wiki movement is a crucial vehicle of the global messianic implosion of knowledge, i.e. of the MoAPS.


Next, I'll be comparing the Wiki and SEP versions of the philosophy of math.......


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I was reading the wiki section on empiricism in mathematics, where Quine and Wilson were mentioned, and this led to Fodor who is (paradoxically?) both anti-Darwinian and anti-holism, but not a reductionist, either. He is a modularist and functionalist. This combination had not occurred to me. Not sure what to make of his anti-Darwinism. Is he the only non-theistic philosopher of that persuasion?

Fodor, particularly in his anti-Darwinism, is to be strongly distinguished from the New Mysterians, who, nonetheless, with their postmodern skepticism, somewhat muddy this water. These mysterians strike me as a particularly pernicious bunch. I may have their number, however, when they suggest that evolutionary progress in cognition may solve these mysteries. What then of AI, and Kurzweil, pray tell....?!




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I'm a bit late getting on line today, and now I'll have to run out for a couple of hours......

The Baltimore Green Forum is having a planning meeting on Sunday, after I attend the SfA/GFC. Sam and I will need to discuss a bit of strategy. I will probably be allowed to give a presentation at the BGF, something I've not been allowed to do at the SfA, only with individual members.

My message to the BGF will be that we face an existential threat, and so we need to think outside the box. I have attempted to give the same message to the SfA, but they are refusing to give it any consideration.
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In the meantime I've been reviewing object oriented ontology (OOO).......


And perhaps this afternoon I'll have time to outline the reasons why we can AND should take immaterialism seriously. I don't recall when I last attempted such a summary/review. This a good indication why I'm still in no position to contemplate a formal publication.


4:20---------------

And here is a quote from an article on correlationism v. OOO....

In some inspired passages from the second chapter of After Finitude, Meillassoux shows how correlationism, despite its central critical impulses, has opened the door at a conceptual level to all forms of religiousity. For where the in-itself is barred from knowledge, there is nothing to prevent one making any claim about the in-itself he might like so long as it remains at the level of faith or belief. Thus, paradoxically, correlationism, which destroyed the dogmatic path, provides the greatest and most secure refuge for religious irrationalism against the Enlightenment project. As such, Meillassoux will write, “[w]e are trying to grasp the sense of the following paradox: the more thought arms itself against dogmatism, the more defenseless it becomes before fanaticism” (AF, 48). Philosophy which is born with the rejection of mythos now finds that it must suffer the proliferation of superstition, religious fanaticism, and ideology everywhere due to its own internal constraints. The question of whether or not we can think a world without thought is thus the question of whether or not philosophy is possible.

IOW, OOO is an academic hail-Mary attempt to keep the transcendental out of modern discourse by enforcing an intellectual flat Earth.


Ok, now on to immaterialism........

1.) Materialism has not made any substantive inroads into the mind-body problem.

2.) Reverting to Cartesian dualism does, however, open the door to immaterialism.

3.) The resource/environmental crisis poses an existential threat to humanity.

4.) In facing that threat, we need to think outside the Box of modernism and materialism.

5.) We cannot move forward without considering whether, wrt humanity, we are dealing with a cancer or with a chrysalis.

6.) Something radical is required...... but will it be a surgery or, possibly, the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS)?

7.) Therefore, I am asking BGF and GFC to consider the MoAPS.

8.) This could simply be seen as an exercise in thinking globally and acting locally.


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Then there is a slight hitch, having to do with Chicken Little..... and just had another convo with CK.

And now a convo w/ Jack S about possibly going to SF before he goes to London.



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For the record........

From: Dan Smith 
Date: August 3, 2012 10:24:40 AM EDT
To: CA and 11 others
Subject: Re: The AQUARIUM Reports ... case studies of mind and madness masquerading as espionage

>>>> Ebert acknowledged in his "Great Movies" essay that, like many viewers, he had initially underestimated the film's many virtues and only came to truly appreciate it through repeated viewings. In 2009, the American literary theorist and legal scholar Stanley Fish named the film as among the ten best American films ever. 

1.)  Do note the similarity between Punxsutawney Phil and the Aviary story of Ocelot and Ferret, the two birds that are not birds.  

2.)  In the conversation, CoK/RP asked for my take on Romney's eschatology, which had resurfaced on his visit to Israel.  I had not been aware of this stance.  

3.)  Our current predicament in history is rather similar to that of Phil's.  How do we break the loop?  Love is the answer, of course, but that will not come w/o an eschatological paradigm shift, i.e. the mother of all such shifts (MoAPS).  That is what I wish to discuss, yet again, with Jack, God willing.  


On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:03 AM, CA wrote:

Groundhog Day
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/plotsummary

"A weather man is reluctantly sent to cover a story about a weather forecasting "rat" (as he calls it). This is his fourth year on the story, and he makes no effort to hide his frustration. On awaking the 'following' day he discovers that it's Groundhog Day again, and again, and again. First he uses this to his advantage, then comes the realisation that he is doomed to spend the rest of eternity in the same place, seeing the same people do the same thing EVERY day" !!!

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From: Gary 
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:21:21 +0000
To: Dan Smith
Subject: Re: The AQUARIUM Reports ... case studies of mind and madness masquerading as espionage

CoK35 has yet to clarify his position on the religious, scientific, and IMHO deeper Platonic aspects of the issue raised by Dan.

Gary 

On Aug 2, 2012 6:01 PM, "Dan Smith"  wrote:

I just had a convo with Jack about possibly coming to SF before he leaves for London.  

I would be interested in interviewing Jack about the possibility of theism...... as in what DO we mean by 'God'?  

I have a call into Kim to check on the details......  

This was partly motivated by a call from CoK35.  


On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:57 PM, JACK SARFATTI > wrote:

100%
but it depends what you mean by "God"
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic "God" is a crock of $hit of primitive minds.
I agree with Christopher Hitchins on this.
God Is Not Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Is_Not_Great
God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything is a 2007 book by the author and journalist Christopher Hitchens in which he criticises religion.
Contents - Critical reception - Sales history - See also
Just look at the Middle East
On the other hand, if you mean a conscious cosmic VALIS hologram computer on our future horizon - that's another can of wormholes.



On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

Jack, 

How certain are you that the existence of God is a fantasy?  

Dan 


On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:24 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

as you like it, but this stuff is trite in my opinion

On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Gary  > wrote:

A sane world is a boring world :-)

Gary 

On Aug 2, 2012 1:34 PM, "JACK SARFATTI" > wrote: 

basically not interesting or important on what Dan's fantasies are - I like Dan as a friend but he is mad, quite mad, and so are you Gary. ;-)

On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Gary  wrote:

Just FYI for the record: I personally view Dan's experiences, often related in detail by Dan, as analogous to Jimmy Stewart's character, detective John "Scottie" Ferguson, in (what is now voted as) the number one best film of all time, "Vertigo." I was fortunate to have been dragged by a girlfriend into the theater to see the official re-release of "Vertigo" on the big screen in the early 1980s.

The point of all this is, of course, one must first experience the ride to understand the madness, but in the end, there will be (reasonable) resolution and explanation of behind-the-scenes psychological manipulation.

http://www.starpod.us/2011/08/12/conspiracy-theory-cia-911-cover-up-fbi-told-senior-official-had-prior-knowledge-2/

Discovery of the role played by Tom Drake, the senior NSA whistle-blower, which is now being examined by a documentary filmmaker for the BBC, may be the first step in that direction.

And then there is (yet another?) book on the question why...... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/books/review/why-does-the-world-exist-by-jim-holt.html?hp .....

Several of Holt’s cosmologists explore the possibility of there being universes “as plentiful as blackberries” (C. S. Peirce’s phrase). Universes may be popping into existence right now: each moment may generate billions of new ones. Perhaps all possible universes have existed from the start, including one that contains nothing. Perhaps everything exists because of fluctuations in quantum particles, or because an initial zero separated itself into +1 and -1, forming matter and antimatter. Perhaps only mathematical entities are real, and our physical world is an “outcropping” of mathematics. >>>

Could the world be an outcropping of consciousness? Does all nature have a subjectivity of its own? Or is the universe a device for producing goodness?

Anyone for a Panpsychic Catastrophe?


12:15-----------

This is the same book I've mentioned before, so now I broke down and bought it. It's hard to put down. I could easily spend a day or two just skimming it..... or just stopping by the woods on a snowy evening.....

I need to try to figure out Jack's future hologram..... how does it fit into the Allegory of the Cave that is a central feature of the BPWH/MoAPS? In the Susskind(?) model, strings of different lengths interact as if separated by space. That is how the holographic part works.


I just had a brief convo with Kim B, who works on Jack's website and video productions, to discuss some details about SF......


I'm on p. 6/309....... nothing new, yet, but the conciseness is breathtaking.....




(cont.)

Ok, here is a possibly not so minor epiphany wrt atoms, my old bugaboo......

Can't understand atoms w/o understanding God, and can't understand God w/o understanding atoms. Nothing new here...... No....? Well, maybe..... It's just that it is so easy to forget, and I often do. How could I, we might wonder? Well, allow me to put this in a different perspective......

We can't understand atoms, without understanding glass, for instance. And we can't understand glass w/o understanding fragility. And we can't understand anything outside of a network of paradigms that includes both good and evil.

For example, we cannot understand glass, without understanding the Crystal Nacht. And we cannot understand the Crystal Nacht, without understanding its redemptive potential.

This is a paradigmatic case of the hermeneutic circle that is the BPWH.

That's all.........!

Why haven't I seen this before. Well, I have, but not quite in so many words, and words are important....... something about publish or perish...... as they say.


This is also about spilt milk, and other entropic incidents. These are about our boo-boos and our bugaboos. God can kiss them and make them better. Don't we know? Why does our faith sometimes flag and fail? Faith is supposed to do that..... we've looked at faith from all sides, now.......

We are in the midst of making a difficult/traumatic transition from faith in Eternal Progress to faith in Eternity. That's all! This is our time of global tribulation. Let's make the most of it.


You and I are atoms of God, and it is so easy for us to forget this. Atoms are also atoms of God...... the only difference is that they never forget. They can't. We can.... and we can and will take that to the bank...... the big Bank in the sky.


So, when can we start holding our breath......? Just as soon as we're ready. Houdini was ready, but you and I are not...... not quite yet. I'd give it a couple hundred years, or so. Then we'll be ready! And, the funny thing is, we won't even notice. If we did, we'd turn blue in the face. Where there's a will, there's a way. Mind over matter, as they say......


And I do understand that watching the grass grow can be boring. But patience is a virtue for all of us, especially in these 'interesting' times. I do endeavor to be interesting, but in a way that our modern minds are not well accustomed to. The noise level is very high, these days, but this is also my best cover, speaking of fragility, wall flower that I am...... also keeping in mind Tennyson.


12:30--------

So, it is mainly about networking, but the nodes...... atoms, persons, God, etc., cannot be lost sight of. They will bite us in the backside, if we do. Mosquitoes are a favorite case in point..... a burr in our saddle that is Creation. Mosquitoes will be with us always? No, only for as long as we need them. It's kinda like breathing.

Mosquitoes, and the like, will help us to figure out the best path to the Eschaton. There are carrots and sticks. Half the fun will be getting there....... from Cancer to Chrysalis.


All I have to do now is figure out how to take over the BGF. IMHO, it will be like taking candy from a baby. After the BGF comes the SfA/GFC. After that, it's the world....... or I'll just have to eat my hat.


It has been said that we live in an unobstructed universe. Well, we have met the Obstruction, and it is us. The only question before us is what do we wish to do about it, and when do we wish to do it.




(cont.)

Jack Sarfatti wrote:

but it depends what you mean by "God"
>
>
>
On the other hand, if you mean a conscious cosmic VALIS hologram computer on our future horizon - that's another can of wormholes.

I have never had any serious problems with Jack's theoretical conceptualization of G-d.

Upon deep comparative analysis to Torah/Tanakh and New Testament theology, I find that Jack's view does not contradict biblical and extra-biblical representations of G-d. And further find that his hypothesis synergizes with biblical eschatology.

It's just semantics.

Jake,

Very good! So what can we do about this common ground?

I'm waiting for Jack to responded to my follow up, yesterday, about my coming out to SF.

Perhaps you and I should discuss the format for this next video......

I can include you in our email exchange.
---------


Jack has just responded positively to our meeting, prior to the 16th. I'm pressing him to have a preliminary discussion of an outline for our video session.


I'll be calling Sam at 5 to discuss tomorrow's BGF planning meeting.


What Jake and I need to discuss is the possibility of springboarding off of BGF and Jack, in order to 'take over' the SfA. It is a long shot, but is it a shot that we can afford to miss?



(cont.)

Certainly common ground, at least as it pertains to a conceptualisation of G-d. Don't think your BPWH could ever synergise with Jack's hypothesis though. As Jack's cosmic view is (in my understanding) considerably more expansive than yours.

Also, Jack's 'H' incorporates a construct for "perpetual progress". At least, for another few more billions years. And I don't see it possible for science to ignore the supportive data for this view.

And So....for a another video interview series to be productive (with you two), you would best be served to define/target 'topic' and desired outcome, as a framework. And of course, you two could still go off on your tangents, to add spice and entertainment, but agree to return to topic and resolution.

>

We could talk sometime this weekend. However, I'm going out to trim the hedges. So later. Sure, add me to your email:
jake_reason@zoho.com

Jake,

>>>> perpetual progress, for another few billion years, anyway.....?

This is the crux of the difference between us.....

Is Creation finite or infinite?

You suggest that the only Creation befitting an infinite Creator would be infinite.

Yes, superficcially, that sounds quite reasonable.

But, you need to remind yourself, Jake, that your reasoning is based mainly upon the ETH.

What you fail to understand is why most Christians support the UTH over the ETH. I have attempted to discuss this fact with you, over the past several years. Can you not even begin to appreciate why your fellow believers are overwhelmingly opposed to the ETH?

Only you and the Vatican appear to favor the ETH. Why should that be. I have a possible explanation for that, which we need to discuss.


The crux of the ETH v. the UTH has to do with the OEH v. the YEH. Am I right?

No modern minded person still accepts the young earth hypothesis, except ours, truly.

What are we to make of this impasse?


3:30---------

In effect, I'm putting out an APB concerning a putative CL initiative. By APB, I'm referring to Grace, Green, and Jack S, plus the IC. That pretty much covers my waterfront, without mentioning any possible siblings.

D-day is all about timing and cosmic intelligence (CI). This raises the very significant issue as to any putative connections btw the IC and CI. I continue to labor under the impression that there is such a connection, which, in the past, has come under the rubric of MJ12. It is hard for me to believe that there is not a residue of MJ12, nor that the old Aviary is not a part of that residue, whether or not any such individuals may or may not have been recently contacted.

My very first public communication with CoK had to do with the Chicken Little protocol wrt the Eschaton. If that protocol is not still in effect, then I must be out of the loop.

So, until we hear otherwise, we may, not unreasonably, assume that a four pronged eschatological initiative is in progress. I am present on this public forum by way of soliciting comments and suggestions as to this putative initiative.


IOW, OMF II constitutes a bona-fide fifth prong of the eschatological initiative, that has been underway since 9/'91. Have I left any stones unturned? Not TBMK......


And now there is this...... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/opinion/sunday/the-british-gift-to-american-letters.html?hp

Hey, I've always had a soft spot for those Brits, which, in no small part, may be due to my regicidal ancestry..... viz. the Scrope-Throop connection. Hey, being drawn and quartered in London is just a bit of sibling rivalry. No? No offense taken.

Adrian may have been the last such, prior to the 'modern' era. Don't we love these moderns?

This tidbit of history may help to explain why I am never too reluctant to fraternize with the IC. Hey, wrt to the nasty stuff...... been there and done that, and I may even have the T-shirt.

And let's not forget that another ancestor(ess) was scalped by the indegenes. So, yes, we seem to have it, coming and going...... Serves us right....?

That would barely be published today, at least in those parts of the American media that make a solemn cult of accuracy and balance, fearful of even honest opinion, to the point that statements of the obvious must be sterilized by such quaint circumlocutions as “analysts say that ...” I’ve no doubt at all that there have been budding homegrown heirs to Mencken and Macdonald, but they’ve been educated out of their wits. And so when America wants guilty journalistic pleasure, it has to bootleg in bad boys from the old country. It might be our final revenge for Yorktown.

Educated out of their wits........ or http://www.amazon.com/Too-Smart-our-Own-Good/dp/052176436X ?


And now this, also from the NYT (op-ed).......

Palestinians were genuinely saddened, however, by the fact that he deliberately chose to ignore us. There was nary a word about our plight, our day-to-day challenges, our rights and our future. We were here, just meters away from his entourage, yet we were not on his radar or on his agenda.

To paraphrase an ancient observation: Romney came. He saw only what his advisers permitted him to see. And he conquered his fund-raising goals by saying what his boosters insisted on hearing, while completely ignoring one of the two peoples who live here.

But peace is not made by ignoring one party while lionizing the other. In Palestine, we stubbornly continue to hope that the occupant of the White House will one day recognize this.

Shame on you, Mitt.


6:15--------

Because of Mitt's lack of openness, he does not deserve to be the POTUS. I will be glad to pronounce a fatwa on his presidential ambitions, should that be appropriate.

I did discuss my potential meeting with JS, with my sister. She has been aware of him, or so it would seem.


9:15---------

Convo w/ ck suggests that I will not get a fair deal w/ js. He suggests a conversation with sh or ap. I'm still waiting to hear from kb.

I should mention that he was resistant wrt the ca v. ch dichotomy, but I remained insistent, and it seemed that he relented, IMHO.

.

Today is supposed to be day one of the new CL initiative....... and it may be the last, but I doubt it.

I'm making everyone an offer that no one can refuse. In effect, I'll be holding the BGF and GFC hostages to the truth...... and ultimately the entire world.

And the burden of proof will not be on me. Rather, the burden will be on the rest of the world to prove that I am wrong in my assessment of the potential significance of the BPWH.

Can anyone in the world demonstrate that the BPWH does not represent the best chance for the best outcome for human history? Or that the alternatives are not becoming increasingly dire?

It is as if I were an alien landing on Earth with a message from the stars, requesting to be taken to your leader or to anyone who can demonstrate that my message is false.

And here is another perspective on what we are confronting, wrt to our future....... Are we a cancer or a chrysalis? We cannot move forward until we have come to a determination, until we can render a diagnosis and a prognosis.

This is what I also need to take up with Jack S&Co.......

Wrt Jack, I would first focus on the notion of perpetual progress, and, particularly, on how this relates to the ETH v. the UTH. Once again, there are clear choices, clear contingencies which need to be seriously considered, by the best and brightest.

From: Dan Smith
Date: August 5, 2012 10:28:54 AM EDT
To: JACK SARFATTI
Cc: Kim B, Sam, Ron, Jake
Subject: Outline for a dialog....

Jack, 

What I wish to do is set some ground rules for our prospective dialog....... 

1.)  I'm not primarily coming out to have you instruct me on your worldview.  I believe that I already have a fair take on that view.  

2.)  Rather, I wish for you to consider the possible significance of the BPWH...... 

Ron has already opined that I am unlikely to get a fair hearing from you, and has recommended against such a trip.  

Well, I am admittedly a beggar, and beggars can't be too choosy, can we?  

Is there any chance that we could prove Ron wrong?  I, for one, am always on the lookout for a chance to prove Ron wrong.  

In a subsequent email, or two, I would like to set forth the ground that I wish to cover with you, in a one or two hour discussion, to be video-taped by Kim, as we did a couple of years ago, but now with a bit more structure.  

I intend to post my part of this exchange on the Open Minds forum...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t6p150-hello-cy-hello-omf-ii#324 

(cont.) 

On Aug 4, 2012, at 6:52 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

nothing to hear - just come bearing in mind not Aug 16- 18 & I think Kim works at Trieste Sunday and Mondays?
if you dilly dally it will be too late. It has to be in August - not September.

On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

I'm just waiting to hear back from Kim.  


On Aug 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

Of course & u need to pay him can do it tax exempt as usual via ISEP 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

Jack, 

I'm suggesting that, besides this email exchange, that we employ Kim as an interlocutor wrt our proposed next video.  

I have a call into Kim to suggest this, in person.  

Also, let me introduce you to [...], who appears on the Open Minds forum...... 

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t6p135-hello-cy-hello-omf-ii#323 

as Jake Reason.  He and I have been discussing the OEH v. the YEH.  This is what I need to discuss with you and Kim, as a topic for our proposed video.  

Dan 

Ok, allow me to compose a followup message, or two.......


to Jack,

(cont. from message above.....)

First of all, please consider the possibility the progress may not be perpetual. This issue relates particularly to the ETH v. the UTH, i.e. the extra- v. ultra-terrestrial hypotheses.

Most folks that you and I know are open to the possibility we have been visited by unearthly beings of one sort or another. If progress is perpetual, then it stands to reason that the ETH is true wrt these visitors. I believe that this represents your view of the situation.

OTOH, I believe that you are open to the possibility that the situation wrt the visitors may be more nuanced, i.e. they might, more accurately, be described as 'inter-dimensional' beings of some sort.

So far, so good.........

Now, allow me to introduce another, possibly very important, piece of the cosmic puzzle..... and this is your contribution, Jack, as much as anybody's...... this is the VALIS holographic computer in our future, which may have been instrumental in the phone call you received, as an adolescent.

It may be that our visitors arrive via the same source. And, it may also be that VALIS is the creator of our holographic/virtual reality. If so, it is a small step to supposing that this world has an optimized design plan, and that this plan is intended particularly to optimize our participation in a participatory universe. This is the basic premise of the BPWH.




(cont.)

dan wrote:Jake,

>>>> perpetual progress, for another few billion years, anyway.....?

This is the crux of the difference between us.....

Is Creation finite or infinite?

You suggest that the only Creation befitting an infinite Creator would be infinite.

I support the rationale that an eternal Creator will create eternally.

I think it irrational to presume that VALIS/G-d will cease to exist. IOW, Energy can not be destroyed.

Therefore even IF the universe ultimately collapsed to a singularity, such an "eschaton" would not constitute finality.

AS to the concept of "perpetual progress", I see it's continuum within a dispensational construct (ages/eons/epochs), which end and transition into another.

When all things pass away, all things become new.

But, you need to remind yourself, Jake, that your reasoning is based mainly upon the ETH.

This is reasonable, however I understand man to be a composite of ETH and UTH. (Body/Spirit. Hologram/Mind)

What you fail to understand is why most Christians support the UTH over the ETH. I have attempted to discuss this fact with you, over the past several years. Can you not even begin to appreciate why your fellow believers are overwhelmingly opposed to the ETH?

Most Christians are utterly ignorant to what these concepts mean. Ask them if Armstrong and Aldrin proved the ETH when they walked on the moon, and they will look at you like an Ostrich. Further, most are utterly ignorant of their own Bible....thinking that UT's comprise solely of Angels and Demons. In truth, there are numerous types of UT's in the Bible. And Christians also remain unaware there are ET's described in their Bible.

My fellow Christians belief's concerning UTH are founded in ignorance.

Only you and the Vatican appear to favor the ETH.

Correction: ETH and UTH.

But No, things are changing. There are protestant theologians (including PHD's) who have grown aware of these matters, discovered supportive Biblical reference, and are publishing.

I have a possible explanation for that, which we need to discuss.

The crux of the ETH v. the UTH has to do with the OEH v. the YEH. Am I right?

Partially.
I define the UTH to be an immaterial sentient which is partially unencumbered by space and time. Whereas, we, like the ETH, are restricted to space/time. Regardless of OEH or YEH.

No modern minded person still accepts the young earth hypothesis, except ours, truly.

What are we to make of this impasse?

Manifestations of Ignorance and Ego.

1. Biblical writings report creation to be ancient, such that even prior to earth becoming life sustainable, pre-existing creation was vast and ancient. Most Christians remain ignorant to these Biblical passages.

2. Our sciences have also confirmed both the OEH and OUH (Old Universe hypothesis). However they have not yet been able to confirm Biblical revelations that sentient creation was vast, pre-earth.

People who embrace the YEH remain ignorant to the above. And so one should wonder why? IMO, it resolves to 'Ego' being the culprit/resistance.


------------

It's a long weekend for us. I'll call you tomorrow

PS- I've been enjoying watching NASA TV re:MSL Mars Science Laboratory/Curiosity. It's going very well. Currently approx 60,000 miles from Mars (@edit 5:20 PM EDT) traveling at approx 8,000 mph and accelerating due to planetary gravity. Trajectory is right-on-target to with 500 meters of planned entry. ETA approx 11:30 PDT. And Mars is contributing with clear weather conditions. Exciting!

Jake,

Thank you very much for your response. Above all, I do wish to remain in contact, even when we agree to disagree on fundamental issues. So, yes, please do call me anytime tomorrow.

Understand that I am playing a long-shot. But I ask you whether it is a shot that we can afford not to take? This is the same proposition that I'm trying to present to Jack.

Basically what I'm asking from you, Jack and anyone within the sound of my voice, is to cut me a little slack, and humor me. Is this asking too much? Maybe it is, but can I be blamed for trying?

I think we all agree that we may need divine/external intervention to prevent a collapse of human civilization. I am presenting myself as a possible example of such intervention.

Creation may be infinite and eternal, and I believe that ours is, but not in materialistic, quantitative fashion. If you and I are an essential part of the best possible Creation, and if this Creation happens to be qualitatively infinite rather that quantitatively so, then we are talking about the BPWH. This is all I am asking of anyone, is to consider this possibility.

If this were the case, then it does explain why God appears to have been playing brinksmanship wrt human survival, and why 'he' might choose to intervene prophetically, as 'he' has appeared to do in the past.

Wrt to evangelical Christians, I present myself as the only known alternative to Armageddon/Tribulation. Do you know of any human alternatives, Jake?

My specific alternative is the MoAPS, i.e. a nonviolent, spiritual/intellectual revolution. It is a spiritual vision for the Endtimes. But, understand, Jake, that the Enditmes is only from our mortal perspective. Sub-specie Aeternitas, Creation is Eternal, but, as mere mortals, we experience Creation as finite. Does this make any sense to you? It is precisely on this crucial point that you fail to grasp the BPWH, IMHO.



(cont.)

Currently watching NASA TV Science News Conference at JPL.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html

dan wrote:Jake,

Thank you very much for your response. Above all, I do wish to remain in contact, even when we agree to disagree on fundamental issues. So, yes, please do call me anytime tomorrow.

Will do.

Understand that I am playing a long-shot. But I ask you whether it is a shot that we can afford not to take? This is the same proposition that I'm trying to present to Jack.

As we know.... most people (lessor academics) often lump together "Theoretical Physicists" and "Philosophers" as two peas in a pod, which both speak in mumble jumble, and everything is up for grabs.

So defining target-audience is equally as important as defining topic and desired outcome. n'est ce pas?

Long-shot? Well maybe not. How about one topic:
"G-d VS VALIS/Future Hologram Computer"... Is there a difference?

That might induce a mini-viral response.

I would suggest 3 topics though, as people need variety to hold attention.

I think we all agree that we may need divine/external intervention to prevent a collapse of human civilization.

Man has always collapsed his own civilizations. But man can reverse that too. We've had the how-to curriculum for 2,000 years. And the Divine is still waiting on man. We don't need divine intervention. Wishing it, is a sin. Both a transgression and an iniquity. How so few people understand this. And yet it is required curriculum. Only the time it takes to understand is voluntary.

I am presenting myself as a possible example of such intervention.

You are not the only candle burning in the wind. Nor is your example more potentially world changing than Sarfatti's candle.

Wrt to evangelical Christians, I present myself as the only known alternative to Armageddon/Tribulation. Do you know of any human alternatives, Jake?

Yes. Several

From: Dan Smith
Date: August 6, 2012 10:25:22 AM EDT
To: JACK SARFATTI
Cc: Kim, Sam, Ron, David, Zielinski, Jake, Gary
Subject: Re: Outline for a  UFO video show...

Jack, 

It sounds to me as though we have a fair basis for a renewed dialog...... 

What I believe I can bring to this table is a bit more emphasis on the PoV of VALIS/God, which, TBMK, is not something that you and your physics 'fan-base' normally feel comfortable in emphasizing, with the possible exception of David.  

For instance, you make a distinction between morality and physics.  Yes, of course, superficially there is a difference.  But you also speak of Leibniz' physical action principle..... Surely, you are aware that the notion of the best possible world was produced by that same mind, and it seems entirely possible that the concepts of maximal-action and best-possible may be linked, in some deeper structural/mathematical sense.  We may simply be adding another dimension to our physical structure.  

Now, perhaps the greatest remaining distinction between Jackiantiy and Danianity is simply the technicality of the optimal placement of VALIS wrt the future horizon.  But we may already be on the same page, here, as well..... 

This placement of the future horizon should strongly depend on the optimal length for human history, which, in turn, should depend on the optimal trajectory for material progress.  Given that progress was never meant to be perpetual, then the (apparent) end of (material) progress may well signal the approach of our future horizon/VALIS.  

Then what, we may well ask......?  

Then we are homeward bound, our errand into the 'wilderness' having been completed.  

Some of us are surely not ready, just yet, to head back home, to Eternity.  All ye, all ye, in-free....? 

Hey, that's fine with me!  We have all the time in the world.  Just as long as we want to be down on the farm is fine, but once we've seen Paris/eternity, we may start feeling a bit homesick.  

There is a crucial consideration when it comes to the prolongation of Creation....... 

Do keep in mind that, from the PoV of God, Creation is eternal.  Only from the perspective of us mortals does it appear that Creation may end.  Going home means that we will be returning to the PoV of God, wherein Creation is truly Eternal.  

Are we still on the same page, Jack?  

Dan 

Jake, how does this sound? Does this answer any of your questions?

Jack, Albert and I seem to agree that the physical, space-time, universe need not be infinite.

I know, Jake, that you cannot conceive of an omnipotent God creating only a finite universe, but, down through the ages, most theists, and especially Christians, have gravitated toward a more anthropocentric model. It is the pantheists who take most pride in, allegedly, having anticipated an infinite world, wherein we creatures are lost in space and time.


11:40--------

Jake, please note that most folks, perhaps not you, however, are still operating under a Newtonian conception of an absolute/eternal time-frame, in which all of reality is necessarily contained.

By demonstrating the relativity of space-time, Einstein took a big step back toward a more self-contained or Prophetic view of the world. Yes?

Jack is adding to Relativity, the notion of a holographic VALIS @ our Omega Pt. or future horizon. This does bring us even closer to the Prophetic tradition. No?


2pm----------

From: Dan Smith
Date: August 6, 2012 1:18:56 PM EDT
To: JACK SARFATTI
Cc: 7 others.......
Subject: Re: Outline for a  UFO video show...

And, gosh, I almost forgot the issue of free-will and human nature........ 

I was forcefully reminded of this issue by today's featured op-ed piece....... http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/anything-but-human/ 

>>> By now, naturalist philosophers will suspect that there is something mystical or “spooky” about what I’m proposing. In fact, religion has survived the assaults of reductionism because religions address distinctively human concerns, concerns that ants and computers can’t have: Who am I? What is my place? What is the point of my life? But in order to reject reductionism, we don’t necessarily have to embrace religion or the supernatural. We need to recognize that nature, including human nature, is far richer than what so-called naturalism chooses to admit as natural. Nature includes the panoply of the lifeworld. <<< 

The broader question, I guess, is to what degree VALIS may or may not measure up to our traditional conception of God, given that we may or may not be created in the image of VALIS? 

And I'm sure that you non-physicists will be amazed by the depth of the discussions that can be engaged by scientists pursuing the cosmic truths.....! http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/



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OK, I've read all your emails and links therein. Thank you

dan wrote:Jake, how does this sound? Does this answer any of your questions?

I see the Picasso.

Jack, Albert and I seem to agree that the physical, space-time, universe need not be infinite.

We're on the same page here. Personally i find the "Torus in Torsion" model most likely defines the form of our cosmos. Therefore there is a boundary.



But my view is not important to your's and Jack's discussion.

..... down through the ages, most theists, and especially Christians, have gravitated toward a more anthropocentric model.

Well my Bible explicitly states that there were many "sons-of-God" and Councils in the heavens, prior to the creation of the earth. Which necessarily implies that there were other worlds/abodes before us. And so as a Christan, I can not subscribe to Homo Sapien anthropocentric creation.

However we are in agreement concerning the Strong Anthropic Principle.

As an aside note ... the SAP inherently implies that the Cosmos is teeming with life.

But then again, my view is not important to your discussion, only to perhaps offer some talking points.

Jake, please note that most folks, perhaps not you, however, are still operating under a Newtonian conception of an absolute/eternal time-frame, in which all of reality is necessarily contained.

Yes, I understand the status quo. However I do believe that "when all things pass away, all things will become new". Which of course means I anticipate an end to all things. Eschaton

By demonstrating the relativity of space-time, Einstein took a big step back toward a more self-contained or Prophetic view of the world. Yes?

OK. I also perceive that Jack is a closet eschatologist and secretly driven to know and understand G-d. However I highly respect his need to remain scientific in his communications.

Jack is adding to Relativity, the notion of a holographic VALIS @ our Omega Pt. or future horizon. This does bring us even closer to the Prophetic tradition. No?

Absolutely. GF and RTB should also be able to piece that together.

Jake and I had an hour-long convo concerning the above matters, and whether or not I should head out to SF. He encourages me to go. He does point out that Jack hews to a pessimistic view of humanity, in that, at least, things may get a lot worse, before they get better.

We are not sure what part of Jack's makeup may be tied up with this pessimism.

We spent about half the time discussing eschatology as it may relate to current events, particularly in the middle east. Jack's pessimism may be tied in with an eschatological outlook.

Jake and I seem to be in agreement on several points......

1.) The Eschaton could be imminent.

2.) Armaggedon/tribulation can be avoided.

3.) This avoidance is predicated on a spiritual interpretation of Rvelation.

4.) A MoAPS of biblical proportions should be expected in the Endtimes, leading to a Millennial dispensation.

5.) He is mildly sympathetic with my JC gambit, but is not volunteering to help me explain it to others.

Here is where we seem to disagree........

1.) That there could or would be multiple worlds requiring repeated X-events for their salvation. 99% of xianity would demur, on this point.

2.) Given that there is a logical link between the x-event and the Eschaton, the idea of multiple eschatons within a single space-time frame, or even within a many-worlds cosmology makes precious little sense. No?

These points stand out in Jake's last post. However, I had not seen this post when he called, and this differentiation did not come up in our conversation, despite our extensive discussion of eschatology. Perhaps we need some additional clarification on this point.


5:30----------

About an hour ago, I offered to meet with Jack in SF, later this week.


8:30---------

I'm due into SF tomorrow evening.........



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Hi Dan
I've been reading your posts for the last few days since rejoining OMF after a few years absence. And feel led to feel a need to learn more of this subject you are discussing. I have never had any conversations with you but I and Jake reason are old friends from the original OMF. It would take days if not weeks to find time to read all 11 pages of this thread. If you or Jake could find time to send me a PM a quick synopsis of this subject it would be greatly appreciated.
I can't say why this exchange so interest me, but it does. Being for most of my life a believer in only fact over the last 5 years I have had a Epiphany to honor my Intuitive and Spiritual side. Again I really do not know at the moment why I feel the need to ask for this request, but if you can indulgence me I feel I may have something to contribute.
By the way my real name is Jim feel free to address me as such.

Jim,

Nice to see you back again, and I'm glad that there are aspects of the BPWH that interest you.

My preferred means of communication is either on the phone or on the blog. We could also do a chat function, either here or on google, for instance, as long as we can save a copy of it. I'll send you my phone # by PM.

IMO, the best way to get into the BPWH is via a God's-eye perspective (GPOV). Can you think of any way that you would like to improve the world? Just name it, and I'll explain how God has you covered. Once you get the hang of it, you can then explain it to others, just as well as I can.

There are several crucial points to keep in mind concerning this 'game'........

1.) Would your BPW be finite or infinite? Most folks start by assuming that the BPW would be infinite. But, right off the bat, an infinite world with an infinite number of creatures would diminish the prospect of a reciprocal personal relationship with out Creator.

2.) But our finite seeming world is infinite, because it includes heaven/eternity.

3.) Death is a big problem for most folks. Well, there is no death.

4.) The Eschaton is another problem. The end of Creation is seen only from our mortal perspective. From GPOV, Creation is eternal, and is an essential aspect of heaven/eternity.

5.) There is just one sapient soul, which we timeshare with God and our brothers and sisters. This one soul was never lost, and never could have been, despite what the bible-pounders may tell you.

6.) We are the co-creators of the BPW. It's not really possible to create a second-best world. Every last one of us 'sinners' is essential to the makeup of the BPW.

7.) This is not the only world, but it does make up the vast proportion of Creation. If there is to be diversity, most of it will have to be right here. And it is!

8.) According to #6, we cannot fail to be saved. In becoming saved, we become One with God. This is the meaning of Redemption/Apocatastasis. We already are one with God. Our seeming separation is a temporary 'illusion', and it is a crucial 'illusion'.

9.) Material growth and progress have been the driving force behind human history. Because the BPW is necessarily finite, the increasingly obvious limits to our material growth and progress were an integral part of Creation. At the optimal time in our history, we would be confronted by these limits. So, you see, Creation was always intended as a Bait&Switch operation. We were baited with material riches, and then, at the last moment, we are redirected toward the Spirit, using both carrot and stick, if you will. It's that simple.


Well, Jim, have I left anything out? Have I answered all your questions?


I'm going to need to get ready to head out to Jack's place on the Bay, this afternoon.....


The above material is what we wish to cover in Kim's video. What else should we cover?


Ok.....

10.) Creation is a nearly closed time-like curve (CTC). This is the Ouroboric, tail-eating serpent. The Alpha is the tail, Omega is the head. There is a crucial 'spark-gap' between them. This circuit is only about 6,000 of our mortal years, i.e. all of recorded history. We are now at our maximum level of population and consumption. With D-day/MoAPS, we will enter the Millennial kingdom of God, which may last just as long as we wish. I'm suggesting 200 years. By the end of that time, we will only number about 144 million, inhabiting, say, 12 megalopolises. 12 Motherships will evacuate us to heaven. 144 thousand of us will be returned, via Noah's Arks, to the 12 primordial megalithic communities, thus completing the life circuit. Nota-bene, that this is a finite Circuit and not an infinite cycle!


6:20--------

Enroute from Atlanta to SFO.......

Not yet sure if there will be a meetup this evening or not.

According to his blog post, Jack is being hard-headed, as usual, about the physics.

It's a little bit late for me to turn around, don't ya think. There will have to be a serious charm offensive, fortified with generous wine.

How far can we push the holographic/virtual reality paradigm? Is Jack going to totally block that? Perhaps.

My approach to physics is metaphorical. Is there a problem with that?


7:20-----------

Last time I checked, Jack was subscribing to the Chardin/Tipler Omega Point, which may or may not be similar to Tamara's Omega........ as in this quote from Jack's blog, see above.....

In above Tamara Davis's Fig 1.1 her Ph.D...... The apex of the Pyramid is infinite metric time - finite conformal Penrose END TIME for us idealized as Immortal Gods (central vertical world line) is the origin of the past light cone of our observer-dependent OMEGA POINT (not same as Tipler's) and it is our future cosmological de Sitter dark energy event horizon. It is a CONSCIOUS GOD(D) HOLOGRAM 2D SCREEN NULL GEODESIC COMPUTER projecting us RETRO-CAUSALLY as 3D dynamic hologram images in literally a VIRTUAL UNIVERSE SUPER-COMPUTER SIMULATION.

Right there is everything I'll ever need from Jack, besides his smiling face elaborating upon these various Omegas. Hey, the more the merrier.

Doesn't anyone take these matters seriously? These are not just mathematical abstractions. Well, they are until the SoT breathes fire into them.

Jack's transformative experience occurred when, at age ten, he got a phone call from Omega. My call didn't come until I was 33. What are we going to do about these cosmic communications?


8:30----------

Jack believes in perpetual progress, as does Tipler, leading up to an Omega, which is a digital version of God. Within that computer, we will become immortal avatars of ourselves.




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On the plane coming out here, yesterday, as you can see, I was almost ready to turn around. But the wine-soaked charm offensive last evening, especially over dinner, may have turned the situation around. We will see, when Jack and I meet up, late this morning, whether the flavor still lasts.

He is quite adamant that I have an outline/script prepared for him, but I am being equally adamant that a potentially earthshaking conversation should be recorded live/spontaneously, so as not to diminish any of the potential drama.

With that in mind, I should keep my big mouth shut until then, and we shall see (hear) what we shall see........


8am------------

What few notes I'll make, will be made offline, and then I can post them here, after the fact. We will not be meeting, for another 2-3 hours. If Jack is amenable, we will use a voice recorder.


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