The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

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Hi ScarZ,

Thank you for posting this information. Does any of David Flynn's material give any idea to the time-frames for the early events or historical figures that his research indicated?

Nib wrote:You guys are funny.   It's just a conversation- nobody here is walking around in a trance..

I hear you, Nib.  "Trance" does seem a tad over exagerated,

... from the New York state of mind.


I rather thought ScaRZ was being highly perceptive in his comment.

I see exactly that!...."trance" like behavior among an increasingly large percentage of the North American Populous.

I see it on the street while going for a walk.  I see in in the Malls, while shopping.  I see it in the Office towers while going here or there during the bustle of the day.  I see it on the board-walk while taking a stroll in the open-air. I see it at social gatherings, in family homes.  I see it virtually everywhere!

There is indeed, as far as I can perceive... a "Trance-like" (dis-connect/self absorbed/per-occupied) behavioral disposition among the greater portion of the population.

They are disconnected unlike I have ever seen in my life.  Only 20 years ago, if what I see today was displayed in the open, then;
the majority would have shunned such anti-social behavior as repulsively disoriented from normal humanity.



ScaRZ comment was rather astute, I should think.


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Nib wrote:
Jake you seem to imply (if I read you properly) that his death will pave the way to the temple being rebuilt?   Not sure if I get that.    But that's along the lines of what I was thinking when I said BIG.

Yes, my closing comment of that post - "Simple Deduction, my dear Watson"  was stated to assure the reader that I was speculating.

However I do think it a reasonable deduction to contemplate.

There is No doubt in my understanding that such a high order Rabbi, would have been In-the-Privy (need-to-know) about the Temple Mount Project.

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Oh and as an aside, I learned about the rebuilding of the Temple long before the internet world.  I was shown Architectural Plans before the Vast Majority of the inner most Christian Leaders had any inkling about such plans actually existing within the real world, aside from Prophecy.

I personally met (by shear coincidence of the most unusual order) one of the very men (highly prominent businessman) who personally knew one of the consulting planners.  He understood through inquiry of me, that I understood prophetic mysteries.  At this point in my life I did not know why I should meet such a person.  Or for what potential future purpose.  And I still don't know 'why' with absolute absurdness.

All I know is that I do not have to decide whether I believe the things that are published on the Net concerning the rebuilding of the Temple.  I do not have to burden myself with such a decision.  Rather....I KNOW.  It is not a "belief" for me.  It is REAL.
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So now returning to Rabbi Kaduri....IMO, most assuredly he Knew ALL about the Plans and the Financing of rebuilding the Temple.  And the Factions for it, and the Factions against it.  Their natures and political allegiances, etc.  I believe it unreasonable to think that he Did Not Know.

Does this mean that Sharon's death paves the way to the rebuilding of the Temple?

Not necessarily at all.  However, Rabbi Kaduri felt Sharon's death would pave the way for the coming of the Messiah.

Why?  How?

I surely don't know the mind of Rabbi Kaduri.

But I can't help but think the 'Temple Mount Project' is somehow connected.



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I'm glad you understood what I was trying to imply using the word "Trance" Jake.

My post was to be taken as how I view most of the population at this point in time. I most certainly believe a large amount of Jesus believers are in a trance as well. How could a believer in the true Jesus Christ ever walk away if they aren't in some type of a trance?

How is it their eyes and ears aren't clear of the static that causes a drifting away?

First we begin to drift and as we drift we replace. We humans always replace something with something.

Good question and follow up answer from Michael Heiser at his "The Naked Bible" blog. The language of Born Again vs Saved,are they different or are they the same?

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Thoughts on Some New Testament Salvation Language

http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2014/01/thoughts-testament-salvation-language/



I recently received a question from a reader asking me to comment about the NT phrase “born again” with respect to its relationship to “saved” language in the NT. What follows are a few thoughts.

Here was the question:

“My question, that I hoped you would get to in above threads, is the difference between two terms, one of which you’ve spoken frequently and the other none at all. You’ve spoken extensively about ‘being saved,’ but have made no mention in your very valid arguments as to ‘being born again.’ The reason I bring this up is a teaching I heard a few months ago that states the number of times been or being saved are small compared to the term born again. I contend that we aren’t saved until after we die because the context of the savedness is the fact we don’t endure the second death and so we don’t experience ‘being saved’ from it until the first death occurs. On the other hand, the bible speaks much about being born again which happens in the here and now while alive. I won’t go into all the rabbit trails associated with this term as to it’s evidenced by our obedience to Christ after being born again and the fact that there’s a huge difference between knowing about Jesus and knowing Jesus in an intimate and personal born again relationship.”



To start, I’d say that it doesn’t matter how many times this or that phrase occurs in the NT. Meaning isn’t determined by counting; neither is the importance of a term or phrase.

It isn’t hard to find out how many times phrases or words occur. Let’s start with the “born again” language — which in Greek doesn’t say “born again” but rather “born from above.” The combination of this particular verb lemma with this particular adverb occurs two times: John 3:3 and John 3:7. The general meaning of the phrase isn’t difficult to discern. It follows from what is the referent of “above”. The Gospel of John, from whence the two occurrences come (and from the same chapter) answers that question in John 3:31-32 – “He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks in an earthly way. He who comes from heaven is above all. He bears witness to what he has seen and heard, yet no one receives his testimony.” The parallelism in v. 31 shows us that “above” = “heaven”. Heaven of course is the dwelling place of God. The person in v. 32 who came from heaven is of course Jesus throughout the Gospel of John.

All this means that the phrase “born from above” (poorly translated “born again”) means to be spiritually born into God’s family (which birth must be spiritual because God is a spirit – John 4:24). I would hope readers know that entrance into God’s family centers on being in Christ, God’s son, which comes from faith in the work of Christ on the cross (or, as I’d put it prior to the cross in NT days, “loyalty to Yahweh, the God of gods, incarnate in Jesus Christ, rejecting all other gods and self merit” – a clear faith statement).

In any event, the phrase “born from above” refers to being a member of God’s family, born of heaven as it were. Without rabbit trailing, I think the sonship language is important in specific ways to communicate specific connections back into the Old Testament. Those of you who have read The Myth That is True draft will know what I mean. To be found in God’s family, of course, means escape from the second death, to pick up on the questioner’s note. His wording (to my ear) speaks to the “staying in the faith” issue (aka, “losing salvation or not” issue) which I have addressed elsewhere. In a nutshell: No one is in heaven who did not believe/was not believing (at the time of death, again for the questioner here), and no one is in hell who did/was.” This state of belief was demonstrated not by moral (behavioral) perfection, but by the heart’s loyalty to the true God / the true God incarnate. It works the same way across testaments. It had nothing to do with merit. If you aligned yourself with some other God, you were disloyal to the true God and your lack of belief/faith was evident.

(In this respect, I don’t see how one phrase or the other in the question is more “this life” than the other).

The “born from above” phrase is is but one perspective of salvation. Another (and there are more than two) is the “saved” language. I don’t see it in any way oppositional to the “born from above” language. The phrases describe the same status from different perspectives and to communicate specific ideas or threads drawn from earlier OT theology. To get a glimpse of that, we’d need to be asked “saved from what?”

In simplest terms, it referred to being saved from life apart from the true God (which was, ultimately, death), the judgment of the true God, separation from the true God, etc. The OT of course speaks in apocalyptic terms in that regard, of the Day of the Lord. I mention this because most of the “being saved” language in the NT comes from the OT. (The phrase occurs 13 times in the NT, not always in a context of spiritual salvation). This phrase has no superiority over the “born from above” language in that OT people were still in God’s family (“my people” – Israel is called “God’s son” for example in Exod 4:23). Membership in God’s family is a theological idea in the OT despite being worded differently. Those outside God’s family, doomed to destruction if they refuse loyalty to the true God, are commonly referred to as/by “the nations” (i.e., the nations other than Israel). Again, I won’t rabbit-trail to the clear divine council worldview theology that has the disinheritance of the nations at Babel (cf. Deut 32:8-9, reading with the Dead Sea Scrolls and LXX). To be “saved” from Yahweh’s judgment, one had to be part of Yahweh’s family.  For the NT, the question “why are some saved?” would be, in the context of this post, “because they are members of God’s family, being in Christ, also described as being born from above by embracing Jesus as Yahweh incarnate.”

Got wind of this today........." Mark Flynn, David's twin brother, is working on an amazing top secret project with Tom Horn that you will hear more about soon."

For the Zionists, 2013 was like 1944 was to the Nazis

Dec 31, 2013
By Benjamin Fulford

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"Looking back at the events of 2013, it is clear the fascist Zionist forces have been severely battered and purged. If we continue on the offensive, the human species can be finally freed from their murderous slavery in 2014.
The year 2012 ended and the year 2013 started with a purge of Nazi/Zionist elements in the US military. The Bush/Nazi/Zionist faction in the military had been planning to sink 3 US aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf, blame it on Iran and start World War III, according to multiple sources. Instead fascists like David Petraeus, Rear Admiral Charles Gauoette and General Carter Ham were removed as part of a purge of over 200 senior US military officers. The CIA , NSA and other alphabet agencies experienced similar purges of Zionist agents. Fascists like Michael Hayden, Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Chertoff and all the other main architects of the 911, 2001 fascist coup d’etat in the US have now been removed from power.
Also, we can confirm from government sources in Washington that underground bunkers the elite had prepared to hide in during their planned World War III have either been seized or destroyed.
Then in Rome in February and March, Nazi Pope Maledict was told to either resign or be killed, paving the way for the genuine Christian Pope Francis to start cleaning up the Catholic Church. Francis has now removed Vatican secret power broker Cardinal Tarcision Bertone, paving the way for..."


(One must be a member of Fulfords' Blog to read the rest of the post)

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Then in Rome in February and March, Nazi Pope Maledict was told to either resign or be killed, paving the way for the genuine Christian Pope Francis to start cleaning up the Catholic Church. Francis has now removed Vatican secret power broker Cardinal Tarcision Bertone, paving the way for..."

Now THAT is interesting! Especially for us OMF'ers. Wink

Wasn't that done by Dr. Ronald Catfish? Hmmm, so which side is he on, then?

Dan Smith posted that the message was personally delivered in December 2012.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl84Q2wYDp4

Notice the DATES on these two articles.  Hmmm.

I was surrounded by vipers in Vatican, claims cardinal removed by the Pope
DateSeptember 3, 2013

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Rome: The Vatican's de facto prime minister has hit out at his enemies a day after being ordered out by the Pope, claiming that he was surrounded by "crows and vipers" who undermined him.
Defending his record despite a series of scandals, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, 78, also appeared to suggest that any blame for errors should be shared by Pope Benedict XVI, who appointed him as secretary of state, effectively his number two, in 2006.

After taking over a Holy See allegedly characterised by gossip and back-stabbing, Francis equated gossip with murder 

The backlash followed the surprise announcement on Saturday that Pope Francis had named Archbishop Pietro Parolin, 58, currently nuncio in Venezuela, as Cardinal Bertone's replacement, with a handover due next month.
Cardinal Bertone's tenure culminated with the leaking by Benedict's butler of papal correspondence last year. Among the documents were claims that Cardinal Bertone ran a Vatican riven by petty rivalries, corruption and mismanagement.


But speaking on the sidelines of a mass being celebrated on Sunday in Sicily, Cardinal Bertone chose to fight back. "On balance I consider these seven years to have been positive," he said. "Naturally there were problems, particularly in the last two years, they have made many accusations against me... A mix of crows and vipers."
He said while it might seem like the secretary of state "decides and controls everything", that was not the case. "There were matters that got out of control because they were problems which were sealed within the management of certain people who did not contact the secretary of state," he said.
"I always gave everything but certainly I had my shortcomings and if I could relive certain moments now I would act differently. But that does not mean that I did not try to serve the Church."
Cardinal Bertone should have stepped down upon turning 75, but was kept on by Benedict, reportedly to the displeasure of a rival faction of bureaucrats within the Vatican's walls.
On his relationship with Benedict, who made history earlier this year by stepping down from his post as head of the Roman Catholic Church, he said: "An honest assessment cannot but take note of how the secretary of state is the first assistant of the pope, a faithful executor of the tasks with which he is entrusted. Something I did and will do."
In a further attempt to show he had not acted alone, Cardinal Bertone added that "the secretary of state works in a team of five, a fine group that works very much together" - a reference to the senior officials at the secretariat of state who worked alongside Cardinal Bertone, and who, unlike him, have been reconfirmed in their roles by Pope Francis.
Also reconfirmed at his post by the Pope this weekend was Archbishop Georg Ganswein, prefect of the papal household, even as he continues to act as assistant to Benedict, a set-up which will ensure a direct line of communication between Francis and the Pope Emeritus.
After taking over a Holy See allegedly characterised by gossip and back-stabbing, Francis equated gossip with murder during a mass he held on Monday at his residence at the Vatican.
Referring to the jealousy that swirled around Jesus, the Pope said: "It happens every day in our hearts... it is said in a community 'how great this person is who has come to us'... but then gossip starts and it ends in skinning the person.
"Where there is God, there is no hate, envy or jealousy. Nor are there those who want to kill with gossip."
Telegraph, UK


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Cardinal Bertone encourages mining companies to respect workers, environment

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Writing on behalf of Pope Francis, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone sent a message to participants in a meeting of mining-industry leaders, organized by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.
In his message the Vatican Secretary of State welcomed the unusual session, which brought together top executives from some of the world’s largest mining corporations, to meet with representatives of Catholic organizations and charities. Cardinal Bertone said that the meeting was a valuable opportunity for the corporate leaders “to reflect on the importance of their human and environmental responsibilities.”
Mining companies, the cardinal said, “are seen, now always without reason, as unjustly exploiting resources and local populations, resorting even to slavery and the forced removal of entire populations.” He said that the companies should ensure the economic rights of their workers and the environmental safety of their mining activities.

Link for the 2nd article:  http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18990



Notice also who replaces him...and where the guy is from?

ScaRZ wrote:I'm glad you understood what I was trying to imply using the word "Trance" Jake.

My post was to be taken as how I view most of the population at this point in time. I most certainly believe a large amount of Jesus believers are in a trance as well. How could a believer in the true Jesus Christ ever walk away if they aren't in some type of a trance?

How is it their eyes and ears aren't clear of the static that causes a drifting away?

First we begin to drift and as we drift we replace. We humans always replace something with something.

You're welcome ScaRZ.

Questions to ponder: How should Christian Leadership act in such times? How should they go about gathering His flocks together? What do the flocks need that Leadership could provide?



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ScaRZ wrote:
Good question and follow up answer from Michael Heiser at his "The Naked Bible" blog. The language of Born Again vs Saved,are they different or are they the same?

Yes, a good devotional study for Christians.

That aside, a bigger issue is arising throughout the world....the religious/spiritual conceptual idea that everyone is "saved" in the end.

The "I'm Ok, You're Ok" popular edict.  There is no recompense.  There is no right, nor wrong.  All get Born Again.  So no need to argue over anything.  Anything Goes!  Don't sweat the small stuff.  You can do anything you want.  Go for it!  If you slip up and do something horrendous, simply say you're sorry and everything will be Ok again.  In fact, forget spirituality!  Let us bury religion of every kind.  We don't need it anymore.  That was sooo yesterday.

Strangely, most of the majority who are quickly adapting these new edicts, think that "Reincarnation" is likely true.  Yet they dumb/fail to think ahead a couple steps to recognize that being born again in a body that has to fight to survive and will die in a few short years, is somehow a redemption of some kind.  Dieing to be reborn into death once again.

And why? do they have to be reborn into death again?

The general consensus is - so that they can learn and grow more advanced in their spiritual being, until they don't have to die anymore.

Yet they say,

There is no recompense.  There is no right, nor wrong.  All get Born Again.  So no need to argue over anything.  Anything Goes!  Don't sweat the small stuff.  You can do anything you want.  Go for it!  If you slip up and do something horrendous, simply say you're sorry and everything will be Ok again.  In fact, forget spirituality!  Let us bury religion of every kind.  We don't need it anymore.  That was sooo yesterday.

Go figure.

Neurotics seems to run rampant in society = it is quite popular to be incoherent.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a Red Letter man.  So I do believe that reincarnation is quite plausible, and accept that we only have this life now ... to stop that cycle.  Or else, we start it again. Which would mean this life was NOT saved.  It was NOT born again into the Kingdom of Heaven.  It died, is dead.  The dead buried that dead one.

But it's energy spark was only born again.... into the Kingdom of Lucifer and Fallen Angels and the Den of Demons and Vipers.  What!?  That doesn't sound right.   Think about it again ... After all, it might very well be that this is the only Planet which harbors and contains such demented lowliness.  Isn't it possible that God's idea of HELL, is this Beautiful Blue Planet of Wonders?  That this is as bad as G-d could possibly think to do?

Look at the world as it is.  Look at what the PtB of all races are doing, and have been doing since history began.  Our daily news is dominated by misdeeds, heartache, sorrow, injustice, lies, deceit, fear, warnings of grave danger, etc, etc.  Everyday!  All our lives!  And all our other lives, too!

So, is everyone's soul "Saved"?

If so, who in the right mind would want to go to a supposed Heaven where everyone from here is "Saved"?

  

Hmmm...I don't know why anyone would want to live this planet again, if they had the choice of the Heaven we hear about from NDE's.

Jesus said, "Today is the day of Salvation".  Meaning today is the day to make that choice.  Tomorrow we die.  After which, the Judgment.

Whose life was more valuable?  The one that was lived in the 7th century, whose memory is gone, and all knowledge of their existence has been burned up in the proverbial "Lake of Fire"?  OR...is this life now.... is it more valuable?  Will it be burned in a Lake of Fire?  Or will it outgrow this lowly plane and be born again into the higher realm?

Where "the second death" has no sting.



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Musings inspired by the Screwtape Letters

Cyrellys wrote:
Notice also who replaces him...and where the guy is from?

Yes. One of the most corrupt and humanly violent countries on earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela

Which is globally and statistically common among high-ratio Catholic adherent populations.

Contrary to Christian countries, where the greater the Protestant Christian percentage of population, the lessor the corruption and violent crimes index.

And this is too bad, but remains the way of the world...C'est la vie!

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But I don't think this particular issue effects too deeply, the issue of the Popes and Vatican Leaders.

Cy, I'll respond more directly to the information you've posted, later today. And thanks.   


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Jake Reason wrote:

That aside, a bigger issue is arising throughout the world....the religious/spiritual conceptual idea that everyone is "saved" in the end.

Jake,you brought up some great questions as well as a very good lay out on your part.

Jesus Christ never said anything about everyone obtaining "Eternal Life". If one doesn't receive eternal life then they will have no life in them after the judgement.

Eternal Life isn't for everyone.

The thing is we humans in our condition could have a million rebirths and never get it right. If we were to get one million things correct and only fail in one thing, we fail. This is the whole point of Jesus Christ being the "Only" way,the "Only" truth,the "Only" life.

It's not about us doing something that is sin. It's all about what's inside each of us. We were all born in Adam. The condition is in each of us. We now must be born in the second Adam,who is Jesus Christ. We leave death and receive life.

1Cr 15:47........"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."

Jake Reason wrote:

Cyrellys wrote:
Notice also who replaces him...and where the guy is from?

Yes.  One of the most corrupt and humanly violent countries on earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela

Which is globally and statistically common among high-ratio Catholic adherent populations.

Contrary to Christian countries, where the greater the Protestant Christian percentage of population, the lessor the corruption and violent crimes index.

And this is too bad, but remains the way of the world...C'est la vie!

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But I don't think this particular issue effects too deeply, the issue of the Popes and Vatican Leaders.

Cy, I'll respond more directly to the information you've posted, later today.  And thanks.    


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Not too far off from what I was thinking.  What I was thinking was actually about Joseph P. Farrell's work, including the history of Dr. Ronald Richter, Martin Borman, the document on pg 309 "Office Memorandum, USG" May 15, 1948 F.B.I. Document to Hoover.

"It appeared that the British were intercepting and decoding traffic over a clandestine network, a survivor of the German defeat, with ramifications in Europe and Germany."

The Navy was mentioned also as getting a hold of the "eyes only" info and publishing some of it as part of "normal" diplomatic traffic.

Farrell writes, "By this juncture, it is known what this clandestine radio network that the British were intercepting most likely was:  it was Nazi Germany's extensive network of powerful transmitters scattered throughout Argentina and South America, the very network that Schellenberg turned over to Peron for Argentina's use! (33)"




On page 305 Farrell notes, "This prompts a question:  why, if Justice Jacson, President Truman, and Hoover's FBI knew about Bormann's presence and movements in Latin America (not to mention the presence of Hitler himself!) were no efforts made to apprehend him -- not to mention Hitler! - and carry out the sentence of execution handed down by the Nuremberg Tribunal?  As Manning himself notes, "the CIA could have pulled aside the gray curtain that obscured Borman - at any time.  But the CIA and Muller's crack organization of former SS men found it to their mutual advantage to cooperate in many situations"(31)  That Borman was allowed to continue banking under his own name with large American banks suggests to a degree of high level protection and cooperation being extended to or coerced by, Borman from major American corporations."

and on pg 303 same book Nazi International

"The answer lies once again in the fact that the CIA, which under Zurich OSS station chief Allen Dulles during the war, had negotiated a highly secret deal with the head of German military intelligence on the Eastern Front, General Reinhard Gehlen, to turn over - lock, stock, and Nazi - Ghelen's entire network to the nominal oversight of the American intelligence community, leaving Gehlen in charge of its actual day to day operations.  In other words, before the ink was even dry on the National Security Act of 1947, the CIA's "civilian character" had already been compromised in the most egregarious way, since its entire operational desk in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, and to a great extent elsewhere as well, was staffed by a network of Nazis!"

Add to this reported evidence of Jesuits having helped them achieve the relocation...numerous insider reports of the FULL federal government TODAY having been overrun.  The advent of the eugenics movement's recent rise to unassailable power (e.g. ATG Holder, Valerie Jarrett, and Alinsky's Protoge, et al), marxism being introduced in the late 1940s and spread throughout Islam till we have the Muslim Brotherhood sitting in their own offices in the US and roaming the halls of the White House on the guest list, and the replacements/purging in the military of anyone who will NOT fire on an unarmed citizen....etc, etc.

And then there's the issues over control of the energy and exotic technologies stemming from Tesla...

Right up to the last several months where the criminals in the system got their hands on those glass-makers out of that base in TX who supposidly never possessed any before then, and the race to get those back (including a statement of where it was sent by a certain Senator, confirming what the patriot community was hearing) resulting in one of the glassmakers being dumped off the coast of SC/FL 500-600 miles out in deep water to go off without causing any real harm where the Russians subsequently make a very public notation of the event and the earthquake it caused.  The Russians being recently public on the ET Contact situation involving a public disclosure, and the recent return of Hellyer to the public interview scene on the subject touting the Naval info of the approx known number of species out there.

Well on Jan 3 Dr. Jim Garrow goes on a 3%'r Radio Show (research the 3%r's who's origin is US Military and has their roots in the 1st A. Revolution, i.e. oathkeepers) run by Pete Santilli who by coincidink(?) also operates on Second Life (where the recent announcement of the American Intelligence Community is now roaming looking for home-grown "terrorists"), And on that radio show he talks about the federal government being over-run, about the other 2 nukes from this fall's attempt by Zero to bring the US literally to its knees in the state of SC by lighting one off in the bay, which were retrieved by the guys taking their marching orders from the 2 Gens and 1 Admrl who were reported as subsequently removed from their careers...and Garrow also points out the May 16 Operation American Spring event where they are planning 30 million man gathering in the mall in DC to replace or demand the full stand-down of the criminals in the federal umbrella...and Santilli pipes up in the next breath that the 3%r's are full willing to lay down their lives to protect the protesters who join the event.

This is the landscape I was talking about.  Did I not warn in 2008 to the Brothers that we probably would not get to 2017?  That the matter of the corruption would be sorted first?  That we were even then on the brink of civil war?  Oh how many downplayed that statement.

The 3% still hope for a peaceful transition/removal of the corrupt parties....

Santilli said during that interview:  "We all need to realize what has been done to us.  That the criminals goals were to ultimately install a very bad thing.  It's not like it's coming.  It's here."

Garrow replies, "We've been infiltrated in every institution we have; but you're right, there is hope.  Large groups of people can coalesce around the Constitution May 16....snip...there's never been a gathering as large as they're predicting for this event."

Santilli replies, "We must take every possible peaceful means to take back our Republic otherwise we give them the excuse to use all the weapons and ammo they've been building up to use on us."


Garrow believes the possession of the other 2 glassmakers in the hands of the oath keepers who resecured them will be fortuitous in that Zero had to sit up and take notice that he was on notice...that now we possess the means to prove what that bunch of criminals did and have been doing.  That now Zero must sit down and behave himself.

Unfortunately, I still see no change in the situational landscape.  The criminals have attempted now not once but at least twice to vaporize some part of the US in order to achieve their goals.  Individuals with ties to that particular culture in different places espouse the "over-population of the planet" and a 90% reduction being desirable.  They have no intention of cease and desist.  I don't see Zero sitting down and behaving himself.  DHS has continued its activities.  There has been no restriction of the militarized police behavior on citizens by the Fusion Centers.  Trying to twist the arms of a group of people bent on suiciding the planet is like trying to get Hell to freeze over.  I don't yet see any change int the pattern.  This will end in bloodshed.

Intuitively I don't feel comfortable with the thought of good people gathering in DC.  That many in one place is an event looking for an ugly happening - false flag?  Open action?  A glassmaker round 3?  

The 3%'rs may be able to stand side by side of the protesters, but I don't know if the oath keeping parts of the mil will still control the other housed glassmakers by the time May rolls around because of the purging.  Martin Borman's revenge is what I see when you mention the mistake Christians are making about there being no recompense.

Cy

Jake Reason wrote:
Questions to ponder:  How should Christian Leadership act in such times?  How should they go about gathering His flocks together?  What do the flocks need that Leadership could provide?

One thing for sure is the way of The World is entertainment. With entertainment I see the mega ministries relying on less gospel and an appetite that nourishes the senses.

The biggest crowds will gather away from truth. Most people will reject what they need and turn a deaf ear becoming the massive cloud that gathers.


The sheep will feed upon The Word of the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives them what they need,not what their senses crave.

ScaRZ, heads-up! A note from shmush...

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t62-where-did-all-the-open-minds-forum-members-go#4641

ScaRZ wrote:

Jake Reason wrote:
Questions to ponder:  How should Christian Leadership act in such times?  How should they go about gathering His flocks together?  What do the flocks need that Leadership could provide?

One thing for sure is the way of The World is entertainment. With entertainment I see the mega ministries relying on less gospel and an  appetite that nourishes the senses.

The biggest crowds will gather away from truth. Most people will reject what they need and turn a deaf ear becoming the massive cloud that gathers.

The sheep will feed upon The Word of the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives them what they need,not what their senses crave.

I hear you, and understand Sunday Church Services has been watered-down in depth of content, while incorporating entertainment to hold attention.

I too think this is sad, but I don't think there is any better way to handle the many problems at this time. Without the entertainment, the nearly empty pews would be barely able to pay for the keeping of a Minister.

In my local Church, I was part of the Ministry Team for 7 years. My contribution was Dramatic Arts and Music. During that time, we not only out-grew the capacity of our church to hold all who came, but also seeded/branched-off three new churches from our congregation.

Entertainment was most definitely one of the top reasons for our success. But that's not all we did....

We also sponsored over 30 Ministries and Missionary teams. Without the strength of our home base, these Ministries would not have been able to be sustained.

We also had hundreds of Sunday school children. Without the success of our services to attract involvement, these families would not have had the much needed support in raising their children.

It takes a church to raise the next generation for Christ.

And so we have to do, what has to be done in this society, in order to maintain the needed Ministries and raise the children up to be responsible Godly individuals who serve to make a better world in some capacity or another.


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But still...the numbers have been ever dwindling across the country, since 2008. Everywhere we can see Church buildings sitting vacant, rotting and going to weed. Soon the flocks will be without.

We have to do something. The children need their parents to have a support group.


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The 501-c3 prevents churches from doing what their forebears did....deal with matters that concern us all right now.  They are prevented from any form of dialog that can be remotely construed as political.  Thus they are not really a part of meaningful society that must face things that affect their day to day lives.  When politics was removed from the pulpit and their mouths effectively taped shut.  Neutered?   http://www.infowars.com/todays-american-churches-are-neutered-pastor-chuck-baldwin-reports/

http://www.infowars.com/church-group-targeted-by-city-for-feeding-homeless/

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-insider-preparations-have-been-finalized-to-respond-to-a-crisis-of-unprecedented-magnitude-within-the-united-states/


And can you say "CLERGY RESPONSE TEAM?"

It is very likely that religious leaders who do not truly serve God are repeating the mantra set forth by them from the Clergy Response Team, whose new mission is to  continually remind their flock of their Romans 13 duty to serve the wishes of their government.


Churches are in decline for a very good reason:  http://planet.infowars.com/offbeat/save-your-soul-by-leaving-your-government-controlled-church

A list of six reasons.

As Supreme Commander of the military, Obama has encouraged/permitted the United States military to participate in the persecution of Christians.  A recent Army briefing was given by Lt. Col. Jack Rich to a reserve unit in Pennsylvania which identified several organizations and movements as extremist groups.  First on the list of his slides presented in the briefing listed evangelical Christians including Catholics, which was subsequently followed by Hamas, al-Qaida, Nation of Islam and the Ku Klux Klan.
Lt. Col. Rich warned his subordinates to not back down from bad Christian behavior for “when they see behaviors which are inconsistent with Army values, don’t just walk by. Do the right thing before it becomes a problem.” Further, the warning has been given to flag Christians and put them on no buy lists for guns. Rich’s briefing dovetails with the same kind of anti-Christian rhetoric recently presented to Colorado law enforcement officials in La Junta, Colorado in

Thank you Cy for the Alex Jones little ditti.  I read it all, including the full Army slide show teaching on Extremists.  I did not find anything in all of that, which would indicate that the US Military is targeting Christians.

However I did see there are extremists among some Americans who call themselves Christians.

If I were in close proximity of any Alex Jones type of person while troopes rolled in to town, I would dart as far away from them as soon as I could.  And I would warn every Christian I know to stay far removed from such people.

Now, I understand that he is simply trying to warn as many people as possible about the coming storms.  And I do believe that he is motivated by good intent.  But, his warning claims here, based on the evidence cited, is exaggerated and misinterpreted to the extreme.  And imo, he is blowing radicalism to the extreme.  That is not Christianity.

He and his Pastor groups are inciting Christians to take up arms against fellow man under the guise that they are hated because they are Christians.  My guess is that they don't know Jesus.

Now don't get me wrong, I can see America's Congress and Senate have been bought by the Illuminates, and that the people no longer have a voice representing them in Washington.  And your Constitution is being raped.  But American grunt-muscle is not the way to resolve it.

Jones and company are throwing gasoline on the flames of war.  They, including his American Pastor prototypes, will create more causalities and lose more souls then they will save.

How many guns did Gandhi need?

Americans have adopted a warrior nation mentality.  Childish, they have become.  It is apparent to the rest of the world.  Americans are being mocked because they deserve it.  Even Zbigniew Brzezinski pointed that out.  America has lost its political respect.

If you implode into civil war, it will be both side's fault.

Canadians for the most part, would welcome the borders being closed off.  Blow the Bridges!  Like the Swizz.  We would stand back and let the adolescent warmongers kill themselves off.  While quietly leaving a few secret passages open, for the needy, like we did for your Black slaves and Conscientious objectors, during your last meltdown.

Meanwhile us Christians would mourn the frivolity of it all.  Like we have endured throughout history.


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As you can see, I get all ruffled up when Christians pretend to be Christians, when all they really want is to pick a fight and bloody some noses.

You can attract as many flies with sugar, than you can with shit.

If you take a shovel full of sugar and mix it up in a pile of shit, you still have a pile of shit.
But if you take just a pinch of shit and stir it up in a pile of sugar, you've done spoiled it all.

The pen is mightier than the sword. And applied wisdom can move a nation without a drop of blood being shed.

Jesus gave us the manual. And Gandhi showed us how to use it.

But low and behold, irony of ironies, the Americans are more bent and determined to rape, pillage and bury any remains of that Manual, then any other nation on earth.

If we get Apocalypse Now, the whole world will point their fingers at you know who.


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Jake Reason wrote:As you can see, I get all ruffled up when Christians pretend to be Christians, when all they really want is to pick a fight and bloody some noses.

You can attract as many flies with sugar, than you can with shit.

If you take a shovel full of sugar and mix it up in a pile of shit, you still have a pile of shit.
But if you take just a pinch of shit and stir it up in a pile of sugar, you've done spoiled it all.

The pen is mightier than the sword. And applied wisdom can move a nation without a drop of blood being shed.

Jesus gave us the manual. And Gandhi showed us how to use it.

But low and behold, irony of ironies, the Americans are more bent and determined to rape, pillage and bury any remains of that Manual, then any other nation on earth.

If we get Apocalypse Now, the whole world will point their fingers at you know who.


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Hi Jake. Under NORMAL circumstances of NORMAL politics and mediocre tyranny, I would agree with you. But this is far from normal. Every insider out there right now knows it and those unable to get out are communicating desperation, and those who can speak are doing so at every opportunity. I'm sorry my examples did not effectively illustrate what is going on. I witness, I don't keep research material so I have to conduct a quick search when the information isn't from within the last two weeks.

Frankly, I know what I know and I don't give a rats posterior if the rest of the world thinks I'm off my rocker. My people are the only thing standing between the emerging monster and the rest of the world. Believe me, when it's done with us, it's coming for all of you.

And it ain't joking about 90% depopulation. That's not casual conversation on its part. From what I've been seeing the last ten years, this is your monster of the Book of Revelations, or it's doing a good job of shooting for it. It's just getting started. I won't claim to know how to fully marry what this is up with the details in that book. I'm no expert, not even layman level. I can only tell you I know evil when I see it.

Every sensitive on this planet seems to be quaking in their boots right now sensing a tremendous evil abroad in the land and many cannot put a finger on it....and I've had complaints made to me about that inability from some very talented yet unknown friends. It isn't just any single thing. It is a massive conglomeration of information out there.

I realize people hate it when someone quotes Jones's people. It is very easy to dismiss them. They're mostly average people doing their best to do the job of more talented journalists. And in an article you can only put so much information and still be publishable.

Are there not people who refuse to read my own posts because they are usually loaded with details I happen to have at hand and are thus long and tedious if you are of the sort who likes shorter more digestible materials? There are. I know there are because I've had to repeat things I've posted before, in places, over and over and over and when someone finally 'gets it' they cry eureka! And say wow I never knew that stuff was going on...(me) palm to face.

I'm sorry but while the infowarriors are rough hewn and not the messengers everyone prefers, I won't nix them. They barely scratch the surface. Even Alex plays the "normalcy" game and won't discuss the contact paradigm on his show even though he's been fully briefed and kept up to date on it privately. He's concerned about his credibility is his reason.

My point is, we do what we can with the tools and resources at hand. I don't shoot the messenger. I've learned that bits and pieces of truth get's carried most often by the strangest of messengers. What will you do when Jesus returns and you find he's not what you envisioned? What if he's something like an infowarrior and sounds like a Quayle or a John Moore or a Jim Garrow or a Jim Hodges or maybe a beatnik?

If I made that kind of statement (speaking strictly of myself here) about resources; if I actually thought that way, I'd be watching football, sucking on a beer and making retard jokes about the meteorologists on the weather channel for entertainment instead of doing what I do and have done. Life is a product of truths, falsehoods, and eccentricity playing a game of push-me-pull-you. It is stranger than fiction. I actually grew up thinking things I was taught about mind and our universe and all those unnamed others inhabiting it were normal. Come to find out it isn't - talk about getting a dose of culture shock in public school.

Then spend time with an IC affiliated group of observers not long out of highschool and find out not only was everything I'd been taught as a youngster at home true and real, but that everything in human society for the last century was being twisted and withheld from the world in order to build a "controllable construct" until the day arrived when they (the corrupt system managers) could initiate a "reset".

Our world is built on lies and half truths right now. And social conditioning has everyone running selectively through life, throwing babies out with the bathwater because this piece or that piece of information presented didn't ring right to someone. Or the presenter is loud, obnoxious, and a "protester".

Did you know that the majority of the "patriot community" despises Alex Jones and his crew because he believes as you do, that the situation should be resolved in a manner similar to Gandhi?

How's that for irony?

Most think he and his people would sell their listener-ship out when the Globals go rabid, just to protect themselves, or because we should just sit there and take it when the Globals create a false flag to initiate martial law so they may begin their purge. Why? Because Gandhi's way is the right way and the only way. And we must maintain ourselves to a higher standard even when we die for it.

You did say that not all, despite being "real" and "good" Christians will achieve being "saved", if I recall. Recompense, remember? Just as the righteous have done, will it be done to them. That is just the way of it, or so it seems some are resigned to think.

Stewardship is not a passive obligation. The Source is afoot, in its subtle way. It is not a passive actor. And the evil that rises is not a passive aggressor.

To be informed is to be equipped with choices.

I know of five different sources that have the same situational and pre-planned details from different areas of the system.

Theirs matches what I've been learning.

Here is a good run down of what is known: http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/01/10/the-mother-of-all-false-flag-attacks/

I don't give out where or how I learn things. I go and find comparable info on the internet and present that. It was in that spirit I presented the infowars information.

It is fine you don't see it the same way. Continue to ask why.

Just know that it is not always true that the pen is mightier than the sword. Sometimes there is no other choice. The hard part is recognizing which is which. This is why I will not denigrate those who subscribe to Gandhi's methods. In the best world situation, Gandhi's methods would be sufficient.

But this isn't the best world situation. And this isn't your garden variety evil.

Cy

Now that I'm on a roll.....

And here is the Great Christian Pretender of all time.

Not the person, the system he serves to protect.

Cyrellys wrote:


Rome: The Vatican's de facto Prime Minister [secretary of state Cardinal Tarcisio Bertonehas] hit out at his enemies a day after being ordered out by the Pope, claiming that he was surrounded by "crows and vipers" who undermined him.

Defending his record despite a series of scandals Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, 78, also appeared to suggest that any blame for errors should be shared by Pope Benedict XVI, who appointed him as secretary of state, effectively his number two, in 2006.

After taking over a Holy See allegedly characterized by gossip and back-stabbing, Francis equated gossip with murder.

The backlash followed the surprise announcement on Saturday that Pope Francis had named Archbishop Pietro Parolin, 58, currently nuncio in Venezuela, as Cardinal Bertone's replacement, with a handover due next month.

con't
https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t42p840-the-bible-ufos-et-and-the-ancients-part-3#4625

Yes, it is arresting to some that the Vatican would be so disquieted within.  But it is no wonder to Christians.

The Great Pretender has raped, pillaged and tried to bury Jesus' manual for centuries.

Oh they love to talk about Jesus dieing on the cross, pity and admire Mary, make art depicting the Apostles, and even pray to them as if they be gods who they ask to speak to the Creator on their behalf.  But ask them what Jesus taught and they know very little.  The Golden Rule maybe, but little else.  However they can recite many things that the Popes taught.  In fact the Popes are the living "word of God" to them.  It is a fundamental of the religion.

I used to be quite apologetic for them.  Ecumenical, if you will.  As after all is said, those born into that religion have little choice but to go with the flow.  From birth they are slowly but assuredly taught an entirely different religion then what Jesus taught.  He is just used as a symbol for idol worship.  But it is most always a dead Jesus.  That is the Pope's favorite idol.  They carry it on a staff everywhere they go.

And so it takes a "Saint" to rise above their teaching, to learn directly from Jesus' manual and discover the truth for themselves.  Saints have to be very bold in the Catholic Religion, as it is very dangerous to be a Saint.  Catholicism kills Saints.  They always have and always will.  It is a fundamental of their religion.  Any teaching that contradicts the Pope, (God's representative on earth- so they must believe), any doctrine, including Jesus' teaching, is heretical.  And deserving of excommunication, banishment and eternal damnation.  And so becoming a Saint in the Catholic Church is very rare.  As the Catholic Church is drunk with the blood of Saints.

What is a Saint? some may wonder...

It is a Christian.  That's right!  This is not a play on words.  A Saint is the New Testament term applied to people who believe in and live their lives following after the teaching of Jesus.

Saints have to be extremely diplomatic to survive in the Catholic religion for any extended period of time.  And if they rise up to leadership, they would have to sell-out in order to stay.  Those who refuse to sell-out are kicked out.  This practice includes Priests who learn the truth.

In today's era there have been attempts by Priests (who become Saints) to lead their congregation to Christ, with some success.  And they try to use the body of the local church a significant vehicle of affecting change in the Catholic Church.  They eventually all fail though.  The Pope must be worshiped.  Period!  And Mary must be worshiped as well.  Worshiping Jesus is Not permitted as a sufficient substitute.

Today the Saints who are trapped in the Catholic Pretender religion usually stay quiet about their beliefs.  And fortunately for them they only have to attend Church on religious holidays, as the majority of professing Catholics do the same.

I don't know how Saints resolve the conflict of attending a Priest for confession.  They (Christians/Saints) know that Jesus taught not to call any man Father on earth, except the "Father in Heaven" (that's why we have the word 'Dad' in English).  And Jesus also also taught that we are to pray to, and confess sins directly to G-d the Father, and Only to G-d, without any mediator.  So I don't know how a Saint could get away with avoiding that.  I can only presume they usually leave the religion and become a Protestant Christian.  But it often causes them to endure the shunning of family and friends who don't understand.

The Great Pretender.

Historically however, it did have the largest body of Christians, as there was little other choice.  At least until the printing press was invented and the Bible became available to increasingly more people.  Who then realized they were not following after the teaching of 'Jesus' Christ.  Mass Exodus after that one.  The wizard was caught behind the curtain.  And the rest is history.

Such birthed the Jesuit Warriors.  The Popes and Cardinals didn't like their monopoly on thought being undermined.  That they were in-the-wrong didn't matter one iota.  Jesus or not, that wasn't important.  Their Power Monopoly was vastly reduced, and come hell or high water they were bent to undermine and destroy the Protestant awakening and Renaissance.  Well they didn't succeed, but they are still trying, to the amazement of Protestants (Church of Saints), rolling their eyes.

Now these fancy dressed idolatry Moguls in the Vatican are in deep doodoo.  Sometime in the past century they let the Luciferian (Prince and the Power of the air) to be placed on the throne and worshiped. Studies of high ranking Vatican whistle blowers suggest this physically occurred in the 1960's.  Yup, you read that right.  Believe it or not.  The Biblical Satan was given the reins and key to the city.  So we're talking pretty serious doodoo.  IOWs, the pendulum of the battle between good and evil swung to the dark side of the tracks.  Permanently.

So these battles among Costumed Vatican Fairies Pharisees is really nothing more than movements to increase the efficiency of idolatry and the manifestation of evil.  Toward the crowning of a False Returning Christ.  And everyone knows what that is.  The Great Pretender lifts up the Greatest Pretender of all time.

So it is written.

Want to hear a joke?

A Catholic Spook, a Catholic Teacher, a Muslim Princess and a Man who trashes Jesus' manual, rewrites a new religion and hopes to be the "Greatest Pretender" of all time...go together on a Cruise to the end of the world.

That's it, there is no punch line.

True story.  Do you think it's funny?

Jake Reason wrote:Want to hear a joke?

A Catholic Spook, a Catholic Teacher, a Muslim Princess and a Man who trashes Jesus' manual, rewrites a new religion and hopes to be the "Greatest Pretender" of all time...go together on a Cruise to the end of the world.

That's it, there is no punch line.

True story.  Do you think it's funny?

Absolutely hilarious and right at the same table.  And I love the way he keeps changing the tune on that 90% depopulation thang.  Waltzing Matilda!

But I'm the one with a warped sense of humor because truth is stranger than fiction.

I wonder if the princess and her man were in on Nappy's letter to the Ruskies in 2009?

14 SEPT 2009 The Moscow Report Napolitano's letter
http://fallenangels.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-moscow-report-napolitanos-1

I heard that report back when it happened, live.  It was a far cry from the public perception missing the wordplay meaning in his fancy speeches with four years of retrospect wasn't it?  http://fallenangels.ning.com/profiles/blogs/west-point-speech-obama

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http://www.rogershermansociety.org/fivedoves/thammond208.htm

http://www.zimbio.com/Janet+Napolitano/articles/Ztyj9PnZuHc/Janet+Napolitano+officially+requested+Russian

its been a long quiet build up over the last four years

WOW Cy, I didn't see that you had written this, in the midst of me writing my brief essay. hehe

Cyrellys wrote:

Hi Jake.  Under NORMAL circumstances of NORMAL politics and mediocre tyranny, I would agree with you.  But this is far from normal.  Every insider out there right now knows it and those unable to get out are communicating desperation, and those who can speak are doing so at every opportunity.  I'm sorry my examples did not effectively illustrate what is going on.  I witness, I don't keep research material so I have to conduct a quick search when the information isn't from within the last two weeks.

Frankly, I know what I know and I don't give a rats posterior if the rest of the world thinks I'm off my rocker.  My people are the only thing standing between the emerging monster and the rest of the world.  Believe me, when it's done with us, it's coming for all of you.

And it ain't joking about 90% depopulation.  That's not casual conversation on its part.  From what I've been seeing the last ten years, this is your monster of the Book of Revelations, or it's doing a good job of shooting for it.  It's just getting started. I won't claim to know how to fully marry what this is up with the details in that book.  I'm no expert, not even layman level.  I can only tell you I know evil when I see it.  

Every sensitive on this planet seems to be quaking in their boots right now sensing a tremendous evil abroad in the land and many cannot put a finger on it....and I've had complaints made to me about that inability from some very talented yet unknown friends.  It isn't just any single thing.  It is a massive conglomeration of information out there.  

Yes, Yes    You know that I know, Cy.

I'm saying the ones you say can't put a finger on it, are Americans. The rest of the world gets it. It is quiet obvious from outside of the USA, that the infamous "Big Brother" resides in and is powered by America. There is no other contender.

And yes, "the Book of Revelations" is exactly what's going on.

We agree.

My contention was pointing at the Christians who pretend to be Christians, and incite Christians to be worldly in their response, their reasoning and conduct. And Jones and company does that. He does not point them to the Jesus response. He incites fear, without offering the answers to repel fear inducing wrongs.

The Jesus response can turn the whole thing around. Just like Gandhi did.

The Book of Revelation is the equal and opposite "effect" from the application of unChristian "cause".

Lucy can only get a foothold when the Christian Church lets it.

But the Christian way is to overturn by pen, the word and wisdom. It is the only true sword that can effectively trump the forces of evil armed with guns.

I truly understand the worries and justifications of armed resistance. And you may be right that the unaccounted evil has gone too far. It may well need bloodshed to arrest the force from overcoming.

However "Apocalypse Now" can be averted with nominal casualties. If approached with a Christ Consciousness.


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