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Hi ScarZ,

Thank you for posting this information. Does any of David Flynn's material give any idea to the time-frames for the early events or historical figures that his research indicated?


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Post by Jake Reason Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:51 pm

Three reasons why I feel Tim's testimony is true:

1. He sounds very believable. He is humble, selfless, gentle, thoughtful, intelligent, with empathy of others opinions and views. It doesn't seem right to presume he could be as he is, and then make this all up, or over embellish to the point of changing the interpretation of his experiences.

2. He gives enough details that his story can be completely checked out. We may not have sufficient resources and/or time to do the legwork. But someone like Ron Pandolfi would have the resources to check it all out. So too the POTUS, the Pentagon DIA, the CIA, NSA, etc. Even MOSSAD, who may have checked it out already considering what happened to him in Israel. (Maybe this is why Tim waited a few years before making it public. To give the PtB some time to work it through.)

I would think Tim knows his story can be confirmed, and doubt such a thoughtful man would give enough information if it were untrue, as it would ultimately destroy his reputation.

3. He is Biblically and theologically sound. And he practices his faith in a Godly manner.

It seems highly unlikely and improbable to me that he has made this up or imagined it.


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Post by Bard Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:30 pm

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Are you saying you know the timeline already?

When was the first time this experience was told by him or his party?

That is what vexes me currently.

I do remember the child and the alter depiction. Also, I do recall the hidden alter, the witches, and a party of men trying to destroy it. I recall they were in danger from the town to some degree.

If this was the first time it became public...woah!
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It this all could just be buried in my subconsciousness from ???


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Post by Jake Reason Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:30 pm

Hi MD,

No, I don't know the timeline.

I separate the account of the Israel event from the Jekyll Island event. I didn't search the Israel account. It could have been told publicly before, I don't know.

I google searched his name under various combinations of phrasing the Jekyll Island story. Searched about 20 pages deep on several different search parameters. Found nothing. Other than other websites reporting on Rob Skiba's interview with Tim. And so I am being presumptive that there isn't a web record of him talking about it publicly until recently. There is very little of anything about him under usual web-search methods.

If it is important to you, I would advise writing the radio Host Rob. Maybe he could provide more info.

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Post by Bard Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:24 am

Nothing like another mystery to sink my teeth into. The winds of change have spoken and Far be it for me to shrug at Destiny.

Catch up when I can.


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Post by ScaRZ Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:10 am

I'm with you Jake. I just don't believe Tim Bence made this up. Tim gets very emotional when he talks. I've not sensed anything close to it being acted out. He also isn't trying to sell a book either.

I've contacted Peter Goodgame about Tim Bence and ask whether Tim had written or spoken on this subject to a wide audience before this interview with Rob. Peter was the one who introduced Rob to Tim at Future Congress 2013.



The Part 2 interview began with a short audio clip from G. Edward Griffin. Here is the full Youtube video titled "The Creature from Jekyll Island".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_VqX6J93k


Below is a link to Chapter 10 of the book "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jekyll.htm


SUMMARY

The American dollar has no intrinsic value. It is a classic example of fiat money with no limit to the quantity that can be produced. Its primary value lies in the willingness of people to accept it and, to that end, legal tender laws require them to do so.

It is true that our money is created out of nothing, but it is more accurate to say that it is based upon debt. In one sense, therefore, our money is created out of less than nothing. The entire money supply would vanish into the bank vaults and computer chips if all debts were repaid.

Under the present System, therefore, our leaders cannot allow a serious reduction in either the national or consumer debt. Charging interest on pretended loans is usury, and that has become institutionalized under the Federal Reserve System.

The Mandrake Mechanism by which the Fed converts debt into money may seem complicated at first, but it is simple if one remembers that the process is not intended to be logical but to confuse and deceive. The end product of the Mechanism is artificial expansion of the money supply, which is the root cause of the hidden tax called inflation.

This expansion then leads to contraction and, together, they produce the destructive boom-bust cycle that has plagued mankind throughout history wherever fiat money has existed.

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Post by ScaRZ Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:59 am

ScaRZ wrote:Excellent web site of Chris L. Lesley. Everybody needs to check it out.

Greater Ancestors

http://greaterancestors.com/

Chris Lesley is an artist and sculptor.

http://suite101.com/article/artist-sculptor-chris-lesley-a175851


An interview with Chris L. Lesley by L.A. Marzulli.

Part 1 The Bones of the Giants!
http://ia801602.us.archive.org/17/items/La012413/la012413.mp3

Part 2 Chris Lesley Returns!
http://ia601606.us.archive.org/7/items/La013113/la013113.mp3
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Post by Bard Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:59 pm

Fatherhood and Unity: Tim Bence

Intrigue at 59 minutes. Tim and group experienced Paralysis in a blue haze? Sound familiar?

http://66.128.12.65/discoveringthetruth/2013/01/16/fatherhood-and-unity-with-tim-bence

Still listening...
updates...

1 hour 11-18min - 87%

7pm. I will continue when time permits.

750am

1hr 30min-33min. How HE sees/inhabits us - No churches?

Tim Speaks from heart and soul in the ways that weeping wisdom is found within the wounded ones scattered across the globe.

Per the link:

"The book of Malachi records, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."






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Post by Jake Reason Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:53 pm

Thank you ScaRZ for the "Chris L. Lesley by L.A. Marzulli" interview. It's an interesting subject. Although I tend to lean toward a more modest interpretation of the many 1800's Newspaper articles. Exaggerative Showmanship was common in that century, and I tend to believe that many of those articles were created to draw people for tourist attractions. And that is likely a contributing reason why their are so few photographs of actual Giant skeletons.

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Thanks MD, for the new Tim Bence interview. I'll listen to it later.

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Post by Bard Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:12 am

Jake

Link was found by Scarz. It was a dead link when I checked it. I found a working one so that I could hear a bit more from TB.

MY above post was updated a few times.


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Speaking of Giants: http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2013/02/giant-finger-discovered.html

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Post by Nib Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:13 am

I always like listening to "Marzuli" . That last link ScaRZ has up made me wonder if "Giants" were ever mentioned in the Qur'an..
Evidently not based on this short 1 page conversation..

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?37204-AAD-nation-and-HOOD-nation-discovery
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Hey guys just dropping a quick note before I have to rush out the door...I'm doing another interview tonight with TJ.

details here: https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t99-2nd-interview-with-cyrellys-geibhendach-on-tjmorrisetradio#1905

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that's a good question about Giants Nib, if anyone finds out I'd be interested in knowing too.

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Post by Nib Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:42 pm

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that's a good question about Giants Nib, if anyone finds out I'd be interested in knowing too.

bbl.

Not Qur'an~ rather Islam... Trying to understand the timeline and why these people didn't see the Giants? They were the Giants?

The timeline picture does not show up complete so here's the link... dbl click the pic..

http://www.classicalislam.com/pages/prophets/prophets_chart.htm
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Post by Bard Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:57 am

Nib:

I cannot remember how I came by this link, but I did save it.

Alien Life According to the Koran.

A brief but good insight into another perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBuXnCe2Mg&feature=player_embedded#!


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Post by ScaRZ Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:07 am

Nib wrote:

Not Qur'an~ rather Islam... Trying to understand the timeline and why these people didn't see the Giants? They were the Giants?

Nib,there are some within Islam folklore that believe Adam was a giant,as well as Moses and Noah. The many legends of giants can be found in just about all cultures and faiths of people.

I most certainly believe there were giants,but just like anything else the "Fish Story" can and will be distorted.





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http://islammysteries.com/mi/chap4.html

"In Islam, according to Al-Tabari and others, Adam and Eve were giants. Their children were giants. The descendants of their children were giants. Eventually, the giants died out and modern humanity emerged."


"Al-Bukhari picked up Adam’s story at this point, remarking that “Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall [about 90 feet].” But Adam was not done shrinking. As the generic symbol of mankind, his reduction in size continued until he reached the current human height of approximately six feet. Al-Bukhari added, “People have been decreasing in stature since Adam’s creation.”


"While modern sexual reproduction had begun, the human offspring of these early matings were not quite the same as humans today. Obviously, they were giants; two giants such as Adam and Eve necessarily produce giant offspring. Just as important, however, they were hermaphrodites or dual-sexed. This androgynous condition of early humanity was veiled under the theme of twins, “Every boy born to Adam was born together with a girl.”


"Climactically, there was bloodshed and Cain killed Abel. But this was not meant to be taken literally. It was the ultimate metaphor for the deflowering of Abel’s womanhood and, consequently, the shedding of blood. The blood of Abel represented the blood of womanhood."


"The story of Adam and Eve closes with the birth of their son Seth. This is the most important story of them all because Seth was the first modern human being. That is, he was “born without a twin.” This implied that Seth was not a hermaphrodite. He was a fully gendered man. Unlike the children of Cain who were made sterile and eventually swept away by the Flood for their wicked ways, the children of Seth prospered."


"Eventually, the children of Cain died out and only the children of Seth remained, “All the children of Adam today trace their pedigree back to Seth. That is because the offspring of all the other children of Adam except those of Seth have completely disappeared, and not one of them remains, Thus, the pedigrees of all people today go back to Seth.” In simple language, this means that the huge, hermaphrodite giants of the early human races died out and were replaced by the small, fully gendered, human beings of today."



http://islammysteries.com/mi/chap10.html


"It is necessary for a man to re-approach the Holy One because Adam, through his choice or sin, dropped out of the higher heavens into material exile. As he fell, his “garments of light” were replaced with “garments of skin.” Eve, who was “attached to his side” as his hermaphroditic counterpart, ceased her clinging, separated from him, and brought about the end of his androgynous condition. As a result, his “beauty deteriorated, his height diminished, and he became one hundred cubits tall.” Once separated, Adam and Eve began to mate with evil demons, or jinn, producing terrible, monstrous offspring, “From Cain descended all those insolent wicked sinners of the world. . . all the haunts of maleficent species, spirits, demons, and sorcerers.” Cain’s descendents, as sorcerers, were huge giants devoid of moral conscience. But Adam had a son, Seth, who was unlike Cain. Seth and his descendents possessed the innate capacity to become the Perfect Man, “All the generations perfected by Seth were entirely righteous and devout.” The children of Seth, who were civilized enough to fashion weapons in their defense against the monstrous offspring who fought with their bare hands, went to war against the evil generations of Cain’s children. The righteous humans went to war against the “Mighty Giants” of the early races. These were the giants spoken of in Genesis 6:4, the children of the sons of God who came to the daughters of men to produce “mighty men, who were of old, men of renown.” Though mighty giants, they had shrunk since Adam’s day; each of them was “fifteen cubits [approximately twenty-two feet] high.” It was these twenty-foot giants who were destroyed in the Flood when the “waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.” (Genesis 7:20) These giants had to be destroyed. They were thoroughly evil. Not only were they crossbreeding with the demons or jinn of the world, but they were attempting to crossbreed with the righteous line of descendents from Seth. This would have been disastrous for his bloodline. The impure Atlantean blood had to be kept separate from the more pure blood of the up and coming human races. No story captured this better than that of Moses killing the giant Og; the story appeared in the Babylonian Talmud, compiled before 500 AD, and later re-appeared in Al-Tabari’s history. Moses, whose height was “ten cubits,” took an “axe ten cubits long, leapt ten cubits into the air,” and struck Og, who was far taller than ten cubits, on “his ankle and killed him.”



http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Hughes/g.htm


GIANT "There is but one allusion to giants in the Qur'an, namely to the tribe 'Ad who are spoken of as men "with fifty statures" (Surah lxxxix 6), and the commentator Shah 'Abdu 'l-Aziz of Delhi, says they were men of not less the twelve yards in stature. According to a tradition in the Kitabu 'sh-Shafah by the Qazi 'Ayaz(p 65), Adam was sixty yards in height. In the Ghiyasu 'l-Lughah, a giant named Uj is mentioned who was born in the days of Adam and lived until the time of Moses, a period of 3500 years, and that he was so high, that the flood in the days of Noah only reached to his waist. There are traditions and stories of giants whose graves exist unto the present day, throughout the whole of Persia. Opposite the Church Mission House at Peshawur is a grave nine yards long, which is held in great reverence by both Muhammadans and Hindus. De le Belle, in his Travels in Persia, vol ii p 89, mentions several which exist in Persia. Giant graves in Hindustan are numerous."


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Post by Nib Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:32 am

Thanks MD for the vid. It is interesting the way some of the Qur'an reads. I thought that bit about the Jinn being of this earth was interesting. I've always likened the Jinn to the greys.. hmm


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Some snippets....."Be sure and click on the link."


http://islammysteries.com/mi/chap4.html

Very interesting ScaRZ.. Noah, Adam, Eve, Moses all as giants?? I've never seen it that way. That would make them the Nephelim.. Odd

Much of that read see jocolor ms to be just what it sounds like, folklore... Sounds like Jack and the beanstock...
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Post by ScaRZ Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:08 pm

Nib wrote:Very interesting ScaRZ.. Noah, Adam, Eve, Moses all as giants?? I've never seen it that way.

It's "Far" from my thinking also. Smile

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2011 The Human Enhancement Revolution.....Speaker (Tom Horn)

http://www.god.tv/strategic-perspectives-conference/the-human-enhancement-revolution


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Post by Bard Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:01 am

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Any word back from the Peter Goodgame/Tim Bence inquiry?



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Any word back from the Peter Goodgame/Tim Bence inquiry?


Nothing from him other than what we already knew.
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Post by Bard Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:16 pm

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Nothing from him other than what we already knew.

Hummmm.... So, far my message to the host has went unanswered.

Have you listened to the second interview and the 'group encounter at the 59 min mark?'





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Post by ScaRZ Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:43 am

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Nothing from him other than what we already knew.

Hummmm.... So, far my message to the host has went unanswered.

Have you listened to the second interview and the 'group encounter at the 59 min mark?'

You are referring to "Fatherhood and Unity"? I'm going to need to listen to it again. I can't remember that part of the interview. It's been a while since I first listened to it.
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Post by Bard Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:05 am

Here you go Scarz

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t42p435-the-bible-ufos-et-and-the-ancients-part-3#1849

Yes, Fatherhood and unity.

Whats your impression on the the 87% as well as the group encounter. Does that group encounter remind you of anything we discuss in these circles?


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Post by ScaRZ Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:32 am

Here's something from The Outpost Forum posted by "Lee". He doesn't care if it's posted here,just so a link to the original is included. I need to study it some more before I can give a fair assessment of it.

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Pandora's Box: The 'Disclosure Lite' Program

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1132-Pandora-s-Box-The-Disclosure-Lite-Program


Preamble:

Over the past few years staff members here at The OutPost Forum have developed connections with an international network of individuals from several sectors within the Military Industrial Complex. We stay in touch with a number of these people we have met and become friendly with because we have interests in common, not because they can "do something for us". When news is slow, as it has been for some time now, we hope that maybe someday soon we will hear from someone that something is about to happen, or perhaps some new information about an old case. As all of us who share these interests know, the slow times seem to last forever, punctuated by a brief flurry of activity, or worse, a false alarm and then more waiting. Finally, our efforts are bearing fruit. We have been given the go ahead to exclusively reveal important information provided to us from this network of individuals regarding a new and ongoing project.

Note: We would like to make it clear that these individuals have requested anonymity - which we have agreed to honor - and we will not under any circumstances answer questions regarding the identity of our contacts. Suffice to say that we are satisfied that these individuals are in a position of responsibility with direct access to the group and program described below. We are well aware that many people will criticize the need for anonymity and perhaps even reject this information because of it. However, faced with the choice of keeping quiet or agreeing to our contacts' need for anonymity and making this important information publicly available, we chose the latter.

Background:

Our contacts have made it very clear right from the start that the basic tenets of UFO cover up history are; "...without a doubt ... absolutely and completely true." Meaning Extraterrestrial entities have visited this planet, technology and biological specimens have been recovered. Some degree of limited contact has been established and reverse engineering programs have been initiated with varying levels of success. (Specific details are unclear at this time).

The 'Disclosure Lite' Program:

According to our contacts, 'Disclosure Lite' (our term) is a new and officially sanctioned program that was initiated in 2012. Its genesis came about as a compromise between the various elements of the Government, Intelligence, Aerospace and Business communities who have been fighting over Disclosure for decades. As we all know, there have been sides taken in this battle with ultimately the anti-Disclosure group(s) managing to somewhat keep a lid on the various attempts at official release.

This compromise is then the result of several meetings concerning the subject matter in which our sources played a part and testified numerous times before the group. Interestingly, their own contact within the group is someone who is well known within private industry. (Name not provided.)

The 'Disclosure Lite' Program is designed to take selected individuals and have them talk about their personal experiences and exposure to the ET presence. They will not venture opinion as to what others may know or what the Government may be doing, but will instead keep their testimony very personal. The individuals making these statements will have their testimony pre-approved, with the timing and method of dissemination preordained by the group. By keeping it personal it is thought they will not be looked upon as whistle blowers. The specific individuals being selected are chosen because of their lack of previous involvement with the subject matter of UFOs and Extraterrestrials.

So far there have been two official public affirmations from this program:

- The first was former CIA public relations veteran Chase Brandon's statements from last year where he told of viewing a box of Roswell related material held at the CIA's Historical Intelligence Collection (HIC) in Langley, Virginia.

We already have a detailed thread on this topic which can be found at:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?726-The-Cryptos-Conundrum&p=11218&viewfull=1#post11218

- Second was Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev's well publicized remarks from December last year. The reporter selected to ask Medvedev the question did not know that she was being set up to ask it but Medvedev knew it was coming and answered as he was approved to do. The situation where it was asked was an aside following an interview with five Russian television stations and was constructed in such a way that he could answer as an off the cuff remark and not get involved responding to questions from reporters.

Once again detailed information and relevant links can be found in the following dedicated thread:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1015-Alien-Invasion-confirmed-by-Russian-Prime-Minister&p=16513&viewfull=1#post16513

We have been told that further statements will follow in the coming months and that these may well come from some surprisingly well known and high profile individuals.

Some Additional points of interest:

- It is people on the civilian side that are pushing for this.
- The military controls the actual hard evidence and are against official Disclosure.
- The technical people 'in the know' have nothing to lose, as they would not be hit by all of the questions and FOIA requests.
- ET as a demonic entity is a meme that was started to keep the truth hidden.
- There is a group of 3, 4 and 5-star officers who are attempting to squash this program.
- The UT basis for ET is a meme that came from them.

Afterthought:

According to Greek mythology Pandora opens her box and unleashes evil into the world, luckily for her at the very bottom is a silver lining in the form of hope. If the information presented above is accurate, and we believe it is, then the secret keepers have finally garnered enough courage to open their own version of Pandora's box, if only one small crack at a time.

As with Pandora, the contents of 'Brandon's box' - once housed at the CIA's Historical Intelligence Collection - can never again be hidden once revealed. It's contents will unleash, not evil into the world, but memes into the collective consciousness of humanity, causing us to reevaluate our position in the universe and perhaps our understanding of reality itself. In this modern version of the ancient Greek myth, perhaps our silver lining is the recovered technology and the potential for clean energy, gravity manipulation and faster than light travel in the not to distant future.
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Post by Nib Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:50 am

And the POPE said, "what another disclosure group"??? That's it, I'm stepping down! Outa here- Get yourselves a new Pope!!

And round Arrow and round she goes- who the new pope is nobody knows..


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