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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:04 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    It looks like we’re running up,against the 40 page allotment from the last thread......

    And I’m still with Tulsi, unless there is a better suggestion......
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    What are you training for Cy?
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:43 pm

    Cyrellys wrote:
    dan wrote:Cy,

    Where DO you put your faith?

    Can you just tell us this without haranguing us, please.  

    What part of being a celtic christian aka Pelagian
    did you not understand Dan?

    How many times need it be said?

    I'm an Apprentice to Synchronicity, which means I work per my training, DIRECTLY with Source.

    Banais Righi is the "official" type of bandrui and becomes a tag after my traditional name, just like PhD goes after someone trained as a medical physician.

    Banais Righi means "wedded to sovereignty" literally.  Course of study includes apprenticeship to Synchronicity.

    Synchronicity is the "hand of Source/God" actively working with traceable evidence in our environment.

    Got that?  Last time I'm writing that all out.  

    Cy


    Adding for those who obstinately refuse to listen:

    Old Irish do not abide organized religion.  And most certainly do not abide a priesthood.

    Apprentices are rare skill sets among drui...it's an academic study with real-life skill application in a tandem partnership NOT a priesthood or religious calling.  SOURCE is real and can be tangible or cause tangible effects from actions.

    It's not much different from working with a co-worker...except my co-worker isn't corporeal...it's part of every particle that makes up our reality.  Welcome to pre-deluvian technology & tradition.


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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:51 pm

    Ack wrote:What are you training for Cy?

    I was asked prior to this life to participate in a coordinated effort, with others of mutual purpose, to help prevent the suicide of humanity.

    The bottleneck is a place in the timeline where in most realities that is what happened.  We're here to prevent that.

    The problem is rooted here in the US where a struggle to change the course of the deep water ship is occurring and the NWO is attempting nation-state deconstruction to gain total control of the planet which they then intend to wipe 95% of the population.

    Identity is key to solving the bottleneck.  American's lost the will to fight for survival.  They missed several windows of opportunity to fix the perfect storm of problems that contributed to the demise.

    Now you know.  Don't just sit there like a bump on the log.  WILL them to stand.  Join the fight.  We've already accomplished several things that never happened in the other versions.

    All hands on deck.  We're plowing the road.  The way lies thru the fire.

    Cy


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    Post by dan Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:51 pm

    You are putting your faith in your motherland.

    How does that differ from tribalism?

    What are the universals of your faith...... universals that all of us could understand, please?
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:04 pm

    Cy wrote:One thing else to end the deed --
    A dog with no Illusion.

    What illusion is this?


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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:05 pm

    dan wrote:You are putting your faith in your motherland.  

    How does that differ from tribalism?  

    What are the universals of your faith...... universals that all of us could understand, please?  

    Still not listening.  Reread prior posts.


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    Post by SurfBum Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:08 pm

    Cyrellys wrote:
    I was asked prior to this life to participate in a coordinated effort, with others of mutual purpose, to help prevent the suicide of humanity.

    The bottleneck is a place in the timeline where in most realities that is what happened.  We're here to prevent that.

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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:09 pm

    Ack wrote:
    Cy wrote:One thing else to end the deed --
    A dog with no Illusion.

    What illusion is this?


    So close the scent is running circles around your head....
    Read the book...
    What did you learn reading the book...

    Now go back to yesterday's post of sources listed for the Aes Dana in extant in the remaining Irish documents translated to English...

    How old is the first of the Two main recommended sources?
    What is it's name?
    What is the accompanying note?

    Now compare the book & the other document.

    There is your answer.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:24 pm

    hobbit wrote:smelly,
    http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/?fbclid=IwAR1mn47i_mgP23wF6LefYulrp81wveNxzoJdmbMEy9g2qeXgU5IOOVKBuM

    When LIGHT is talked of it is consciousness, and it is hugely variable, and most importantly can be accumulated to increase ones light (consciousness)

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    Clean mirror I guess, more conscious.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:26 pm

    Dan it isn’t settled love is the ground of all being.

    If the BPW is in effect then love is the supreme good.

    A passive force supporting all.

    And you can’t just throw the word love around.

    Our meaning of Love is important.

    We can each have a different point of view of what love is between us.

    But the ability to ponder love is what the supreme good allows.

    Again, I don’t think there are any words to capture this.

    What happens is love.

    Not what we think about it or feel.


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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:28 pm

    smelly wrote:Dan it isn’t settled love is the ground of all being.

    BOOM! He's got it.


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    Post by dan Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:28 pm

    Cy,

    I’m trying to have a conversation with you.

    Are you not capable of having a conversation about your ultimate concerns?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:31 pm

    I think getting your terms aligned would be helpful Dan.

    You guys are coming from different suppositions possibly about the ground of all being.
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:42 pm

    smelly wrote:
    hobbit wrote:smelly,
    http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/?fbclid=IwAR1mn47i_mgP23wF6LefYulrp81wveNxzoJdmbMEy9g2qeXgU5IOOVKBuM

    When LIGHT is talked of it is consciousness, and it is hugely variable, and most importantly can be accumulated to increase ones light (consciousness)

    hobbit

    Clean mirror I guess, more conscious.

    Consciousness is like a band of LIGHT in the higher vibrations.  Not so much hugely variable as rather variable in complexity.

    Yes it can be accumulated to increase ones light (consciousness) in a sense...not the best description but good enough for a start.

    Yes a clean mirror Smelly results in more conscious (complexity).

    Light(Consciousness) is an expression of being that can produce a variety of things, including a physical version of expressed being, i.e. humans, cats, dogs, dolphins, insects, microbes...etc. etc.

    Is there purpose in expressing in a less complex lifeform like a grasshopper?  Yes.  There can be.  Some expressions are here to do something, learn something, create something...others just take up space.  Can you tell the difference?  Hone your consciousness to pickup on which is which and when combinations of the above are the case.

    Most beings at this level start with sorting out the differences & variations on good & evil...defining relationships and meaning.

    Smelly wrote:A passive force supporting all. 

    Yes!  supporting evolution in consciousness/soul complexity toward All-Being.

    This doesn't necessarily mean you auto-graduate out away from the brutality of energized space with established patterns of expression by Source.

    Dan's rut is he's implying escaping the brutality of energized space and the established patterns of expression...his implied finalization.  Incorrect.

    It takes a very very long time for that kind of transition...far greater than anything Dan has suggested here in these threads.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:44 pm

    Ack wrote:Jesus has an edge on Buddha.

    Jesus is cool.

    Buddha is cool too...just not as cool as Jesus.

    Ok fine...they are both equally cool...but Jesus...Wow!

    If I were to be an idolater Jesus would be my guy.

    I see Jesus as a pure fool.

    And the Christians have always had it all wrong, always.

    I can’t compare Jesus and Buddha, I can’t compare anything but to my self.

    And Buddha only means Awakened, he wasn’t a deity, nor claimed such which makes him more awake to me than Jesus based on the historical accounts.

    Jesus to me is an irrelevant usurper of what came from Stoicism, Taoism and Zen.

    Awakened to what is a matter of opinion and what we are demonstrating here on OMF is very different, person to person.

    No one knows truth, you live it, it is what we experience, not think about.

    If they say they do, they are deluded or lying, prob both.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:51 pm

    And Dan, what has been true from the start on OMF, is that you have theories and strong opinions about what is happening.

    I’ve always felt you were the fanatic Wink

    I and others have tried to wrestle them out of your hands.

    And I think the boats that stuck to it all rose together.

    Even you.

    You are not usually very patient getting too far off your main themes.

    But the Cosmos showed me around a little.

    And you are just coming into the bigger reality IMHO.

    There are things happening you don’t understand or know about and same for all of us.

    I for one would appreciate a little more humility and open discussion or joking from you to balance out your chosen positions.

    But there are things that you say just must be accepted.

    Uh uh.

    You keep trying to fit things into your working framework.

    Is that the wisest approach given the chaos and love swirling around us?

    Otherwise, you have your opinion and others have theirs.

    It doesn’t matter, cause it’s all still happening irregardless of our thoughts and words.

    Awaken!
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:55 pm

    Buddha is Jesus' shadow.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:58 pm

    Is our history false?!

    Have other forces manipulated our DNA?

    If so, we are part of their history and it is immoral to hide it from us.

    I’m not saying the supreme good is moral, I don’t think it is.

    But we should choose knowing where we stand.

    This sham is over here.

    In my orbit, no sham.

    Just this until we know our history is real and not all a lie.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:00 pm

    Jesus is a pure fool who was killed before he realized how the world works.

    Buddha saw him coming and called bullshit.

    All announced saviors are deluded liars.

    I will never give a single one my attention again.
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:02 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Ack wrote:Jesus has an edge on Buddha.

    Jesus is cool.

    Buddha is cool too...just not as cool as Jesus.

    Ok fine...they are both equally cool...but Jesus...Wow!

    If I were to be an idolater Jesus would be my guy.

    I see Jesus as a pure fool.

    And the Christians have always had it all wrong, always.

    I can’t compare Jesus and Buddha, I can’t compare anything but to my self.

    And Buddha only means Awakened, he wasn’t a deity, nor claimed such which makes him more awake to me than Jesus based on the historical accounts.

    Jesus to me is an irrelevant usurper of what came from Stoicism, Taoism and Zen.

    Awakened to what is a matter of opinion and what we are demonstrating here on OMF is very different, person to person.

    No one knows truth, you live it, it is what we experience, not think about.

    If they say they do, they are deluded or lying, prob both.


    Correct about Truth.  It is experienced.  But so is falsehood.

    Truth =  Word = Logos is the track to All Being.  

    We revere Truth for its Light Harmony with Consciousness.  Falsehood produces dissonance not harmony.

    What everyone forgets is context wrt Jesus & Buddha.  Both were produced for those who needed them in THEIR time.  Jesus never intended to become a religion.  He taught principles which support Truth = Word = Logos = Light/Complexity = Divinity.  Buddha did the same but in a pathway which was understandable in Eastern contexts.  

    There are STILL people today who need both teachings.  Those who don't or who are trailblazers, have plenty of wriggle room to work with in human society today.

    The principles taught by Jesus and the moralistic culture & knowledge base upheld by the ancient Drui handed down from pre-deluvian times melded and became what is colloquially termed "celtic christianity".  It is NOT the same thing as modern religion of Christianity which is Alexandrian based.

    It's not even a religion but rather a philosophy or a living culture would be more accurate.

    We respect the history.  We don't dismiss the value it has provided.  It may or may not specifically hold a current direct influence in our agency as humans....but it has and in some cases it still does but we know it by other terms. i.e. Laws of Nature & Nature's God...aka Natural Rights and the tools we utilize to maintain, protect, and forward them thru time to the subsequent generations.

    Every time you exercise free will, you exercise a facet of the root culture. (example).  And it is a good thing NOT heresy.  It is good so long as it does no infringe upon the natural rights of other members of our civil society (J. Locke) and the implied contract each member upholds as members in good standing (Blackstone).


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    Post by dan Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:02 pm

    smelly,

    I have ultimate faith in persons.

    It’s not clear to me that either you or Cy share that faith with me.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:08 pm

    We need a little help in understanding we don't really need any help.

    This help comes to us in the form of a personal still reflecting pool of love.


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    Post by dan Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:15 pm

    Yes, ack,

    And I don’t think smelly gets this.  

    Every person has direct access to an understanding of universal love.  

    This understanding is what is able to inform all of our decisions..... big and small.

    This understanding can and must be shared to reach its fullest potential.  

    The capacity for language is an essential tool of the sharing.



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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:18 pm

    dan wrote:smelly,

    I have ultimate faith in persons.  

    It’s not clear to me that either you or Cy share that faith with me.  

    Dan,

    I have faith in the power of Knowledge.
    I have faith in the power of Truth and the storms it challenges us with.
    I have faith in fools and loonies who stumble thru fields of Truth and Epiphany.

    I have faith in Source.  Or I would not be here.
    I have faith in Persons.  Or I would not be here.
    I have faith in the process of consciousness/soul evolution.

    I have faith in the revolution of lifetimes providing opportunity.
    I have faith in grass which grows thru the cracks in the concrete.

    There's a reason the green tree of LIFE adorns the Aes Dana's old mariner flag.

    and most of all, I have faith in "the Dog with no Illusions."

    FiOs.

    Cy


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:20 pm

    I just said we each have access, fuck saviors and I have lived that truth.

    It’s called maturing Dan.

    I agree with Cy those sages were for their tine.

    Kill em if you hear them whispering in your ear.

    That means make your own way intuitively.

    I have done this, you have not Dan.

    That’s ok.

    You and Ack are idol worshippers.

    That’s ok too.

    It doesn’t matter what you understand, it matters how you live and really only in your local space.

    To put more significance on our actions is a dangerous delusion.

    So god wouldn’t know he was god here.

    Awakening is forgetting.

    Not remembering.

    You don’t have to remember anything.

    But awake you can teach yourself everything.

    You aren’t awake Dan.

    That’s ok.

    That’s partly I guess why I’m here Wink

    How do you live Dan?

    A babe in wonder knows or cares nothing about eschatology.

    They don’t really care about anything.

    Oblivious mostly.

    History is just for appearances.

    But we can wink together and know that’s nonsense.

    Right?


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