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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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Cuan Scott- Senior Member
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WHOKNOWS....Altruistic acts are much deeper than a mutually exclusive answer. Its both & neither simultaneous.
A SELFLESS act is just that...yet..
...like forgiveness & love
The act of GIVING these MAGIC WORDS/ ACTIONS has many benefits that improve the life of
giver ... FORGIVENESS Is a blessing ALL around... even if you love something that CANT love you back, the LOVING still helps YOU!!
Modern technology & society is turning the next generation into technosociopaths wholey opiated by themselves. It's ironic but it seems technology is making us dumber, lazier & more vain...
Its like our house is on FIRE, but we're too busy to act cause we are looking at ourselves in the mirror...
A SELFLESS act is just that...yet..
...like forgiveness & love
The act of GIVING these MAGIC WORDS/ ACTIONS has many benefits that improve the life of
giver ... FORGIVENESS Is a blessing ALL around... even if you love something that CANT love you back, the LOVING still helps YOU!!
Modern technology & society is turning the next generation into technosociopaths wholey opiated by themselves. It's ironic but it seems technology is making us dumber, lazier & more vain...
Its like our house is on FIRE, but we're too busy to act cause we are looking at ourselves in the mirror...
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AP, I get what you're saying but ya know Dan has a point that this is the best BPW, Though ultimately I don't think the story we see is identical.
All I know is that I must live my ideal and for me Love encompasses all. I can do no more really, but, that love starts with self love because if you don't love your self any other kind of love you have is not.
Be not seem
All I know is that I must live my ideal and for me Love encompasses all. I can do no more really, but, that love starts with self love because if you don't love your self any other kind of love you have is not.
Be not seem
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I agree it is the BPW... and MAY be a SMALL WORLD!!
But...
Loving others will reveal more, FEEL better, HEAL YOU MORE, REVEAL MORE, give more perspective, increase your love...MUCH MORE than self-love....
Of course you should love yourself!?!... lol... at least like....but how worthy of selflove are you if you do NOT love others GREATLY!!!....
WITH ALL DUE LOVE & RESPECT... I THINK THAT EXACT thinking IS the problem!!! It's OBVIOUS THAT there is NO shortage of SELFLOVE in THIS modern society ...LOL... yet a massive lack of love for others & our biosphere ... THATS the single greatest eschatological danger!!
But...
Loving others will reveal more, FEEL better, HEAL YOU MORE, REVEAL MORE, give more perspective, increase your love...MUCH MORE than self-love....
Of course you should love yourself!?!... lol... at least like....but how worthy of selflove are you if you do NOT love others GREATLY!!!....
WITH ALL DUE LOVE & RESPECT... I THINK THAT EXACT thinking IS the problem!!! It's OBVIOUS THAT there is NO shortage of SELFLOVE in THIS modern society ...LOL... yet a massive lack of love for others & our biosphere ... THATS the single greatest eschatological danger!!
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AP, meditate on it you'll get it after a while.
When I talk about self love I'm not talking about masturbation or narcissism, I'm talking about self esteem/Love, and, as I said, you can Love no one or anything with out. When you manage to do so you will love others and the biome.
When I talk about self love I'm not talking about masturbation or narcissism, I'm talking about self esteem/Love, and, as I said, you can Love no one or anything with out. When you manage to do so you will love others and the biome.
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I dont think loving yourself INSTANTLY OR AUTOMATICALLY
LEADS TO LOVING OTHERS...
LEADS TO LOVING OTHERS...
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NO, but you can not with out. It is the beginning of Love. With out it, how could you ever understand how to love others.
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I respectfully disagree.
You were born knowing what love is...
In fact made from it ...
You were transmogrified from the very fabric of nothingness to create the most wonderful ordered living human baby... strictly because two people loved OTHERS...( likely more than themselves) ..
... if Jesus loved himself more than others .... we have very different religious texts LOL
You're very life is proof Of the miraculous power of loving another...
You were born knowing what love is...
In fact made from it ...
You were transmogrified from the very fabric of nothingness to create the most wonderful ordered living human baby... strictly because two people loved OTHERS...( likely more than themselves) ..
... if Jesus loved himself more than others .... we have very different religious texts LOL
You're very life is proof Of the miraculous power of loving another...
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You are born with free will, I would say, and a nature to certain predispositions. Unfortunately from your perspective you seem to have taken away free will.
I don't think you see what I am saying please think about it for a while. Thanks for the no yelling this time. It really seems a bit offensive to me. Shall I say, not very loving?
I don't think you see what I am saying please think about it for a while. Thanks for the no yelling this time. It really seems a bit offensive to me. Shall I say, not very loving?
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AP wrote: I dont think loving yourself INSTANTLY OR AUTOMATICALLY
LEADS TO LOVING OTHERS...
Joining in if I may, love is not about thinking, it’s about being.
Being calmly.
Being knowingly.
Maybe not understanding and finding that not understanding needs not lead to anxiety.
I agree with wk, we each have our own take on life.
I would go further to say, there is no such thing as altruism or good or evil.
There is balance, in all things, or unbalance, because all things have two aspects mainly, seen and unseen, look to your own experience as evidence.
We each then only have our experience to offer.
This is not leading to any point other than conclusion.
We each will conclude our time on stage.
We appeared and we will leave.
The rest happens.
Self love is not an act of doing, it’s an act of being real in unreality and knowing the difference.
It begins and ends with you and your self.
All of our doing is selfish, even the thoughtless doing.
What emerges is not guided by any one hand, as we as selves are a collection of selves, no self truly exists in time.
You can play with these ideas all sorts of ways, like children’s blocks.
We can take anything apart and should.
But wisdom starts with taking your self apart, as you feel to do it.
You end up with whoknows’ awareness if you did it unto death and went headless.
Whoknows knows a lot about Nothing and Things.
Sit with those with wisdom, starting with your Self.
No alien or phonomena is needed to know thyself.
What’s incredible is we are each the sage of only our own lives if we truly see the unseen.
I have begun from peace and spoken peace because we are peace.
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If I may share an observation AP.
Based on your act only.
You are close to Awareness.
Perhaps you are like all who must burn and only sees their true form emerge from the ashes.
Do you burn?
Burn...the flames are in our DNA...we are always caught in its fire.
We are always destroying and creating ourselves, as you know by profession.
That’s ironic isn’t it.
How many actors are really hip to the Big Play I wonder?
No wonder their egos get so overblown so close to the Truth.
Fame is a great test.
Not a danger of that in my case
I have it easy compare to you.
No one needs see or know me, but all come to in time.
We all come to nothing in the endz.
(Lyrics start 2:25)
The world and all the things in it are a setup for Love.
This is Love.
Love is This.
Based on your act only.
You are close to Awareness.
Perhaps you are like all who must burn and only sees their true form emerge from the ashes.
Do you burn?
Burn...the flames are in our DNA...we are always caught in its fire.
We are always destroying and creating ourselves, as you know by profession.
That’s ironic isn’t it.
How many actors are really hip to the Big Play I wonder?
No wonder their egos get so overblown so close to the Truth.
Fame is a great test.
Not a danger of that in my case
I have it easy compare to you.
No one needs see or know me, but all come to in time.
We all come to nothing in the endz.
(Lyrics start 2:25)
The world and all the things in it are a setup for Love.
This is Love.
Love is This.
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As of today, I know that loving oneself is opting to be sedated, in other words, knocked out, when undergoing an endoscopy. I chose no anesthesia because I didn't want to reschedule that procedure after arriving for the appt. this morning without anyone being there with me to drive me home and then watch over me for the rest of the day after getting it done due to complications that may arise after being put under. If this ever happens to you, take it from me... RESCHEDULE. LOL
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You won't get good information on The intense secret operation run by the DOE and CIA in Peru, any information on Tonopah, Indian Springs, HAFB, Pentagon 5th floor C-ring, Pat Price being assassinated by Russia using a handheld version of the famous Russian ricin umbrella (because of a US double agent), Dale Graff sitting in on a Presidential Ufo meeting, which ALIEN AUTOPSY actually is real & where the samples are today, where the NORAD UFO TAPES & all the many generations of satellite pictures of UFOs are at the D.I.A., or that they're running into the digitization problem where old evidence is not being digitized, The stove piping & how pissed it makes the NGA.... or any good insights into Buddhism here....
But there ARE other GREAT places to find that information...
But there ARE other GREAT places to find that information...
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AP wrote: You won't get good information on The intense secret operation run by the DOE and CIA in Peru, any information on Tonopah, Indian Springs, HAFB, Pentagon 5th floor C-ring, Pat Price being assassinated by Russia using a handheld version of the famous Russian ricin umbrella (because of a US double agent), Dale Graff sitting in on a Presidential Ufo meeting, which ALIEN AUTOPSY actually is real & where the samples are today, where the NORAD UFO TAPES & all the many generations of satellite pictures of UFOs are at the D.I.A., or that they're running into the digitization problem where old evidence is not being digitized, The stove piping & how pissed it makes the NGA.... or any good insights into Buddhism here....
But there ARE other GREAT places to find that information...
Forget all the informationz.
AP, if you can forget all you have ever said on the Internet and if you can forget for an hour or two all you know, we could have a very interesting conversation about what is here now and who you are here now.
I’m always up for that chat if you ever want a subjective perspective.
My first reaction to the above is to forget all of it, distractions right now, drop it all and look beyond the drama and stories and information.
If you are dependent on those things, you are controlled by those things.
You walk in your backyard, how does that feel?
Let’s forget all going on ‘out there’ and have a conversation about what is real between us sometime soon.
That offer stands for anyone here.
My goat stall is always open and the hay is always fresh.
I claim no secrets or powers.
I am just a smelly goat mostly.
That means something to you maybe only if you dig into the mystical side of life, for there is surely a side of life unseen by the eye.
What I know is open to all in plain sight.
I have no teaching or god or belief.
This is not too obvious it seems to most today.
— A smelly fellow traveler
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We all have different interests Smiley and it's ridiculous to tell someone that what they think is important is not. That to me is the height of arrogance because not only have you self-appointed yourself as a judge and critic wrt what they believe to be true, but you are also trying to project your standards and beliefs onto others. It's like that court case from years back when a doctor stated to a female patient who was hooked up with various electrodes and monitors that she's no Dolly Parton. She then sued and won the case regardless that the doctor said that he was only referring to her singing voice. No doubt, in your view Smiley, you would think that the woman was being petty for suing the doctor like that but IT WAS NOT PETTY TO HER and she was deeply offended by that remark and found it extremely inappropriate.
But let's define the larger issue that AP is addressing when making a list of all of those stories that have been floating around out there for years now in the field of Ufology. They may seem trivial to you but they obviously are not for AP and a lot of other people out there who want UFO Disclosure. To diminish all of us who are searching for the truth in this area and telling us that it's not important is like us telling you that your perspective that nothing, no matter what it is... is important and that such a view is totally absurd! But we won't go there as that would be putting us at your level....
But let's define the larger issue that AP is addressing when making a list of all of those stories that have been floating around out there for years now in the field of Ufology. They may seem trivial to you but they obviously are not for AP and a lot of other people out there who want UFO Disclosure. To diminish all of us who are searching for the truth in this area and telling us that it's not important is like us telling you that your perspective that nothing, no matter what it is... is important and that such a view is totally absurd! But we won't go there as that would be putting us at your level....
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Hows about the Chris Mellon leak on the uncensored source report which gave the names of all the pilots involved in the tic tac event?
Also, somebody on this forum recorded themselves with Kit Green and discussed the "others".
They(the "others) must be from the fourth dimension. Can anyone here elaborate with certainty?
Smelly..if you feel the need to elaborate without being objective in answering my question in the manner I'd prefer, please keep it short my goat friend.
Also, somebody on this forum recorded themselves with Kit Green and discussed the "others".
They(the "others) must be from the fourth dimension. Can anyone here elaborate with certainty?
Smelly..if you feel the need to elaborate without being objective in answering my question in the manner I'd prefer, please keep it short my goat friend.
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99 wrote:We all have different interests Smiley and it's ridiculous to tell someone that what they think is important is not. That to me is the height of arrogance because not only have you self-appointed yourself as a judge and critic wrt what they believe to be true, but you are also trying to project your standards and beliefs onto others. It's like that court case from years back when a doctor stated to a female patient who was hooked up with various electrodes and monitors that she's no Dolly Parton. She then sued and won the case regardless that the doctor said that he was only referring to her singing voice. No doubt, in your view Smiley, you would think that the woman was being petty for suing the doctor like that but IT WAS NOT PETTY TO HER and she was deeply offended by that remark and found it extremely inappropriate.
But let's define the larger issue that AP is addressing when making a list of all of those stories that have been floating around out there for years now in the field of Ufology. They may seem trivial to you but they obviously are not for AP and a lot of other people out there who want UFO Disclosure. To diminish all of us who are searching for the truth in this area and telling us that it's not important is like us telling you that your perspective that nothing, no matter what it is... is important and that such a view is totally absurd! But we won't go there as that would be putting us at your level....
I was not speaking to you 99.
Be quiet please.
You have your own work to do, but you are still quite far from opening up.
When you can open up, we can speak, until then.
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GrandCru wrote:Hows about the Chris Mellon leak on the uncensored source report which gave the names of all the pilots involved in the tic tac event?
Also, somebody on this forum recorded themselves with Kit Green and discussed the "others".
They(the "others) must be from the fourth dimension. Can anyone here elaborate with certainty?
Smelly..if you feel the need to elaborate without being objective in answering my question in the manner I'd prefer, please keep it short my goat friend.
If you are wise, take what comes.
Who cares what anyone prefers?
That’s a telling statement.
Not very open.
You are protecting yourself.
Let it go.
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I'm unwise, and give what goes
Not caring what anyone prefers is narcissism. You'd make a hilariously bad waiter. I'd watch that movie.
Open enough I say. I only let it go sometimes when it's fun. Welcome to Bipolar?
Not caring what anyone prefers is narcissism. You'd make a hilariously bad waiter. I'd watch that movie.
Open enough I say. I only let it go sometimes when it's fun. Welcome to Bipolar?
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I feel like we are ramping up to something big soon. Maybe before the end of the,summer. Definitely before October.
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GrandCru wrote:Open enough I say. I only let it go sometimes when it's fun. Welcome to Bipolar?
It's more like "Welcome to Lithium". When someone is always shrugging things off and saying that it's not important, no matter what it is, check to see if they're on that drug.
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GrandCru wrote:I'm unwise, and give what goes
Not caring what anyone prefers is narcissism. You'd make a hilariously bad waiter. I'd watch that movie.
Open enough I say. I only let it go sometimes whe
Ln it's fun. Welcome to Bipolar?
As you like.
Judge away...
Won’t get you anywhere.
It’s what I’m sure has been hamstringing you your whole life.
Let it go.
Try a new strategy maybe to receive all of it with no judgements.
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99 wrote:GrandCru wrote:Open enough I say. I only let it go sometimes when it's fun. Welcome to Bipolar?
It's more like "Welcome to Lithium". When someone is always shrugging things off and saying that it's not important, no matter what it is, check to see if they're on that drug.
How has this defense strategy worked out for you 99?
You muppets are snacks for the goat.
You are lost in your minds is why.
The lack of awareness is profound.
You are transparent.
Maybe you should just tell each other what you like to hear.
All you do anyway on OMF.
You don’t know yourselves at all.
You should listen openly.
Especially if you are asking questions.
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My offer stands AP and OMF.
In spite of the muppet mind on display, my offer stands to chat if you are open and ready.
They know not what they do, on autopilot.
It’s fun to talk and openly share.
My offer goes to Ron and the Princess too.
If you are ready, I’m here for you
Thoughts don’t make us happy or unhappy. Neither do circumstances. You can find inner consistency. That’s our work, to know what is true or false regardless of thought feeling or circumstance.
Only way to face heaven or hell or nothing is straight on openly nakedly.
In spite of the muppet mind on display, my offer stands to chat if you are open and ready.
They know not what they do, on autopilot.
It’s fun to talk and openly share.
My offer goes to Ron and the Princess too.
If you are ready, I’m here for you
Thoughts don’t make us happy or unhappy. Neither do circumstances. You can find inner consistency. That’s our work, to know what is true or false regardless of thought feeling or circumstance.
Only way to face heaven or hell or nothing is straight on openly nakedly.
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Course Catalog wrote:I feel like we are ramping up to something big soon. Maybe before the end of the,summer. Definitely before October.
CC
We must openly discuss what is meant by the "others"
Is there a fourth dimensional portal around the Catalina Islands? I would entertain that the "others" are just us.
99, do you know much about the "others" that communicate with you?
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99 wrote:I have never talked to Kit Greene and, technically, I'm not a remote viewer. I use other methods to get 'supersensible' information. The 'messengers' I'm in contact with are angelic beings. I have more information on that but this is not the time or place to go into that more.
Gotcha. For the record, I was not implicating you as being the one who spoke to Kit. That would be too obvious and I give you more credit than that. I just recalled many times over that you were in contact with..well..others.
Would love to hear the information you have, obviously when you deem it appropriate.
Thanks!
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