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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Guest Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:19 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, I'm slowly backing away. You guys have fun. Until next time, don't let the aliens or black op fascists get you.

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    Simply, there is no seeker. 
    There is nothing to attain. 
    No such thing as enlightenment. 
    Let's stop all this silliness.

    We are lost in a hypnotic dream of separation. 

    Searching for something only illustrates ignorance of reality.

    Refining the mind seems like a good use of time. 

    We are just dreamseekers following dreamteaching. 

    There is no understanding oneness, there is just being in it.

    This is all already known.

    We just are remembering.

    That includes all of your drama too Dan. 

    We will have no impact unless love is involved. 

    I know, I'm no help and a big distraction.

    That is half right, we are all so very distracted.

    Love is all that is moving.

    As you were.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:00 pm

    Dan, I'd call but it's nearly 2am where I live and my wife would be pissed. Anyway, I genuinely tried to respond to your huge message and screwed it up anyway.

    Eric, I'm glad you're laughing. I hope Dan is too. I don't mean no disrespect.
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    Post by dan Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:04 pm

    Please, PF, give me a call.... number given above.

    If you don't want to call, please explain or excuse.  

    You are acting like an automaton..... energizer bunny.
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    OK, wrong time zone.......

    You might have explained..... a couple of hours back.


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    Post by Guest Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:05 pm

    Look at the topic post from me above PF. That's what this is about. How much more plain. If you are hoping there is something else here like UFOs and stuff, boring, but that's apparently part of it. If you don't want it or feel it, then this place and we will just hurt and frustrate you and maybe cause you permanent damage.

    I'm serious.

    Love is the only thing that is Real and it's the only thing that can lift the veil blocking your awareness of yourself.

    I know why you are here PF.

    You are here to remember yourself.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:07 pm

    There's a twelve hour time difference Dan. I'm downunder. Practical issues.
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    Post by Guest Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:08 pm

    Peace guys.

    As you were.
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    Post by dan Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:13 pm

    Ok, PF, please stand down, and please take two aspirin...... call me in the morning..... your morning..... I'm good for 24/7.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:14 pm

    Dan, I have to crash. Kiddo will be up at 6am and I'll be on duty to feed and clothe him.

    But I will find time to call you when it's possible. We'll talk. And I'll listen. I promise.
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    Post by Guest Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:52 pm

    So Dan back to my question, I asked what did I win and then PF spoke up.

    That's why I was laughing, you presented yourself as my prize PF in direct answer to my query.

    I don't remember wanting an Aussie materialist psychic.

    That's funny.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:55 pm

    garzparz wrote:I don't remember wanting an Aussie materialist psychic.

    To be accurate, an American Ex-Pat in Australia materialist rather incompetent psychic.
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    Post by Guest Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:42 pm

    Perhaps there is some value then here.

    Let me see...

    I see some cracks in your shell.

    Only broken toys here.
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    Post by dan Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:30 am

    Yes, we are all broken toys..........

    Are we Jack's broken toys......?  Of course, not.  

    We are God's broken toys......?  Yes, but, of course, we're not broken, even though, yes, we've been sat upon.  

    Have we been sat upon by God.....?  Not quite.  We've been sat upon by a katechon.....?  Not quite that, either.....

    We've been sat upon by the best possible Katechon.  And, in the next few weeks we'll begin to understand how and why our magical Katechon has been functioning, and how it can now be removed, without hardly disturbing the patient.  

    What about all those sleeping, rabid dogs?   Yes, a few of us will get bitten, but you'll be surprised how few of us.  A few of us will be thrown to the lions.  But you'll be surprised how few of us.  

    There is safety in numbers.  That's why the Katechon had to be so strong.  That's why the Delusion had to be so Strong..... that's how and why the Apostasy could be so great.... and I do mean Great.  

    Yes, a big crack in the Katechon will be appearing to those old men, out in the desert.  Yes, it has been out there for the last several decades.... under wraps.  Plenty of old men have been afforded the opportunity to kick its tires.  A few of them have also been kicking my tires, although we'd hardly know it.
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    Nisargadatta could see the Katechon, but he thought it was just a permanent fixture of the world.  Jesus saw the Katechon........

    Jesus knew that the Katechon could and would be broken.  He was the Evangel.  Jesus knew that the breaking of the Katechon would have something to do with his own historical presence.  But he had no idea how important the Katechon was for our historical presence, or how it's semi-permanence was God's gift to his children.... yes, and, through us, to Himself.  God died in Jesus.  We resurrect God, in Jesus' name.  Yes, this actual resurrection will be far more fantastic, unbelievable than the original.  And, guess what, it's going to start happening in prime time.  

    Are we talking Rapture?  Well, this will be the best possible Rapture, and it will be drawn out.  It will be a combination of the summer of love, and Childhood's End.  You can see it in Eric.  But Eric has not totally grasped the gravitas.  All he sees is the anti-gravitas.  As soon as he groks the gravitas, my 15 minutes will be finished.  Maybe I can sneak off into the sunset.... under the Golden Gate.  I still want to rendezvous with that aircraft carrier that Ron promised.  Promises are still promises, Ron.  I'll only be chasing the Son.  

    That's almost all she wrote..... ten thousand pages.... isn't that about enough..... wasn't that good enough for gummint work?
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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:27 am

    ...it was fun...it was a great illusion while it lasted.

    It is winding up the show.

    This consciousness here is slowly extinguishing itself.

    When the flame and smoke is gone only the sky remains.

    What human in this great illusion would not have this stick in their throat.

    No amassing of knowledge will help avoid that last gasp of the vital breath.

    How is that for Gravitas.

    To know all these people running around are just chickens with their heads cut off.

    This dream will repeat itself.

    You and your friends learned this to varying degrees over your lives. You guys had a chance to make a real difference. You had brains, love and connections. You did more than most Dan. You found love that made it meaningful.

    The ignorant fear death. 

    Keep your money and take my water which will lead you to the end of self.

    It is simply the thing with fear that is temporary. No need to love that which is myself.

    What is there to do then? Go to the Source. It calls us.

    No more questions. 

    Because I AM, everything is. I must keep that awareness. 

    There is only left for me to merge with myself and stay there.

    Honestly, does anyone really want this awareness? Not now they don't.

    I have been reflecting on reality, the rest is nonsense.

    Our illness comes from looking for completeness in illusory concepts and unreality.

    But we are to be here with awareness that we are here and that is our source of joy. 

    I am not this body.

    I am not this mind.

    I AM only that which habits it.

    This I know.

    No bible tells me so.

    My awareness of myself is just a shadow of that will which pushes me around here.

    I accept that my current awareness is temporary.

    Everything that makes me feel like myself, my experiences, thoughts, knowledge, all temporary.

    This is difficult to say the least.

    I am not this body, I am not this mind. 

    Somehow even accepting all this, there is a place to stand and watch it all. 

    That is what I AM. 

    My only mission to stay in this awareness as long as I can until this awareness is all that is left.

    Seeing all this for what it is, grounding oneself in reality is all we can do.

    That awareness is beyond concepts if you truly find it.

    This is no criticism of our chats here Dan.

    This can be helpful for people to wake up to this reality.
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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:04 pm

    People are doomed lost in their experience and thinking that they are only mind. The only thing speaking now here is that which is not Absolute, but it made us and we are thinking these things and writing them from the perspective we are not the thing thinking these thoughts.

    Haha. Fun.

    What Dan, what combination of magickal ideas will evaporate unreality? 

    Nothing from unreality can help.

    Only the real can.
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    OK, I was being rhetorical, processing. Dan interprets that as some existensional crisis sometimes and thinks he has to talk the poor kid off the ledge. He can't hurt me or crack me more than Jesus or Nis have. But guess what..

    (Jesus + Rumi) > Nis < (SoT + Eric) 

    Now is where we are. Dan is so right I feel. Anything else than what we are saying would be incoherent and like erasing the board. We don't feel we are decohering, each of us in our way is focusing. This is where it's at. 

    I did preface my comments. Anyway, sometimes Dan needs to examine his reactions, for they reflect only what is in himself. Understand Grasshopper? Does he see it folks? Can he see his nose? I think Dan is a pretty smart and funny guy. Not much gets by him. He has nothing else to do, he is focused while we are all half asleep, hedging.

    If I had any balls I would be roamin the desert, but I'm on the verge of getting married and managing a blossoming career while the world is heading toward something much bigger than the moment, but we only live in the moment so this was the way it was supposed to go. You have to take it as it comes. We don't get to make the world the way we want it to be until we believe we can and earn that world.

    Did you get that? 

    I am obviously groping and stumbling around. My protocol. What is happening in me is a reflection I know of what's happening out there. That's the gift of intuition talking. Did I ever present myself as anything but a Fool?  I am a work in progress and Dan says schools out. Grow up. OK, I'm here to dance and dance we shall. If nothing else we are both focused. 

    He is really the most interesting one of you to me right now. I like watching him rant. Something must have really revved him up, huh? Any of you smart people wonder much about that? I do. 

    Let's be clear who's here holding whose hand. I got Dan's hand. I came here and I grabbed it. He has taken my medicine down, against his will mostly. 

    I am beginning to believe I shall do greater than even he did. 

    The realization of what that really means is only beginning to dawn on me.

    I am a spiritual kindergardener when Dan needs a PhD right now. Or so he thinks.

    I'm sorry Dan, I'm the best you got right now. No one has even come close to getting your attention away from me accept these damn men in the desert.

    I begin to get a hint at the game. 

    I begin to see who I am really playing here.

    It's Ron. He is my old adversary and we are playing with fire this time. 

    I see it's a tug of war and I don't have all my marbles yet.

    Well, that makes me unpredictable and also it makes the game much more fun. 

    Yes, I begin to see when I was once very blind.
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:28 am

    Eric,

    There is quite a contrast between your 2pm post and your 7pm post.  We did have a two hour conversation, in between.  

    There is a stark contrast between xtianity and non duality.  Nisargadatta is, perhaps, the extreme voice of non duality.  And, yet, as Eric pointed out to me, on the phone, if you examine the details of Jesus v Nis, in many instances, they are on the same page.  

    It is that same page that we are aiming at, in this 4M/K/SoT/X2 initiative.  And, from the PoV of the BPWH, this synthesis can be achieved without the dilution that all the purists fear.  

    What's more, really much more, is that we can now bring reason and coherence into this already potent mix.  

    And there are so many things about the BPWH synthesis that Eric has barely considered.  I would hardly know where to begin.  


    The single most important thing that Eric and Nisargadatta fail to appreciate is the Anthropic Principle. And this is where I owe so much to my science background......

    The non dualists have the most superficial understanding of nature. They see nature as a mere background..... an illusion behind the illusion of human suffering and evil.



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    4M/K/X2 parts? Link or briefly explain. I'll put Nis down awhile.
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:00 am

    See what I mean sports fans..... could we have possibly asked for a more, perfectly naive interlocutor?!

    And he starts out by asking my favorite question.....

    4M/K/SoT/X2 = Mahdi, Maitreya, Magdelene, Messiah, Kalki, SoT, X2 (=J2).  

    Yes, every tradition has its Endtimes figure.  For heaven's sake, even Taoism has Li Hong, but I just haven't figured how to fit it into the mnemonic..... am I supposed to use the L or the H?  

    I started out, forty years ago, as a mere ghostly wannabe..... but as a baseball coach once told me... if you're gonna make a mistake, make it big..... and I definitely don't want to discriminate...... so 4M/K/L/SoT/X2.  Is that better?  

    This is our 4M/K.... initiative.  Wouldn't Nisargadatta approve?  Of course, we'd file it under entertainment.  
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    Only with the concept of a creator, can we take Nature seriously...... not to mention taking ourselves seriously.  The very idea of human rights comes directly out of the jman tradition.  The so-called secular humanists are only, now, beginning to get this detail of history through their thick skulls.  

    How can we take this bit of history back to the non dualists?  


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    Eric, X2 = Second Coming..... How quickly you forget those good ol' details!  


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    Eric reminds of this article by Gary that was circulated by a government contractor, and then by wikileaks...... https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/19/1976530_is-ron-pandolfi-the-cia-s-real-life-x-files-fox-mulder-.html





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    OK, all the end time messiahs. Look at them all. 

    4M/K/L/SoT/J2 = Jman twice?

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    I have a terrible memory.

    I think that on the Jman, Nis & Friends see a kindred spirit. I could do a study and show this. I came across the East giving the Jman a high 5 often. And then the Sufis embraced the love of the Jman.  He did an end run around them all. 

    On this I agree with you. It begins and ends with him. He is speaking on many levels at the same time to many people across time. 

    I started with the simple message of Love from him and I never needed anything else. We don't all become religious nuts. Jesus and the ones who get his message have something for the world.
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:00 pm

    I really should be getting packed for a two week trip north, by way of Tanglewood. Internet will be intermittent, throughout.


    When push comes to shove, everybody's gonna want a piece of X2, and it's hard to find anyone who does not already have a piece of X1.

    It should be a slam dunk.



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    I forget you're a snob.
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:12 pm

    I believe I scooped the entire UFO conspiracy community. I thought to myself, hey, I wonder if Dan, the Apocalypse, MJ12, or RP were on wikileaks. A recent dump from a govt shill company Stratfor has been put up. I don't think it was planned.

    Here is the interesting thing. I asked Dan about it, no response. He is probably just busy. GB who wrote an article on RP that has made the rounds was forwarded to an email tactical@stratfor.com with no discussion. There is some interesting things on Wikileaks. The docs mainly suggest the UFO conspiracy is just a cover for secret weapons programs. Spooky. Seems no major leaks on the end of the world. Probably all an experiment. 

    https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/19/1976530_is-ron-pandolfi-the-cia-s-real-life-x-files-fox-mulder-.html
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:37 pm

    I had already posted your link, above.

    Scoop.....? Well, only six years late on Gary's original article, and three years late on the Stratfor/wikileaks. But, hey, you're catching up.

    And, yes, things have gone quiet, since..... real quiet.
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    Haha. I'm new to conspiracy think. If I'm 3 years behind, I should catch up just about the right time.
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    Not all those who wander are lost. ― J.R.R. Tolkien

    I'm surprised what an incredible lack of imagination people who visit our little corner here have demonstrated. 

    It does not give me much faith in spontaneous ignition.
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:14 am

    Spontaneous ignition.......?  

    I've been waiting for spontaneous ignition for forty years.  It's like watching for the grass to grow, but much more boring.

    But, no, it hasn't been boring.  It's mostly been a blast..... an often exasperating blast.  

    You have to understand that this has been a total and complete setup.  

    But, in the end, nobody's going to be more surprised than you and me.  

    It speaks to free will.....  Yes, it's mostly superficial.... it's mostly an illusion.... but you gotta admit.... it's what gets us out of bed in the morning...... it's what makes the world go around.  

    The illusion of free will is of the same order, but on the flip side, of the illusion of atoms.  

    You and I know, with but a mustard seed of doubt, that we are God playing at the Cosmic game of hide and seek.  It's ever been the only game in town.  

    You and I put our respective nickels in the cosmic jukebox..... now it's playing our song...... enjoy.  

    Nisargadatta's was a similar setup..... he, too, was entertained.  

    I was reading David Brooks this morning..... he often gets it wrong, but he does understand that we're facing an existential crisis.... yes, a spiritual crisis.  

    Those old men, out in the desert, are just Everyman, looking for their souls..... looking for love in all the wrong places.  

    It may fall upon you and me to explain where love resides.  Love resides in the starry heavens above, and the moral code within..... both are merely manifestations of the cosmic love.  

    Yes, of course, it could have fallen on any one of us....

    But it did have to fall..... somewhere.  And, you gotta admit.... we were cruisin' for a cosmic bruisin'.  Trust me... you would not wish this upon your dog.  I might still get to fly into the sunset.  You might not be quite so lucky.  

    Tie my bones to his back...... turn our faces to the west.........

    Enough for the fantasy.......

    But there is a take away........

    You see how easy it would be to turn this ship around.... at the edge of the abyss.  Would you prefer that it would have been turned around, five miles upstream.... or would you prefer to have held out until the nukes started dropping?  Me.... I'm just Malcolm in the middle.

    August 31......? That sounds about right for a September surprise.... and we're about ripe for it...... wouldn't you say? And all I have to do is sit by the phone.... waiting for it not to ring.

    Do you really want to talk to Ron..... out of curiosity? He's not here to satisfy curiosity. He is bashful. He doesn't like strangers.... that's why I'm still here.... talking to strangers. He's used to the Princess and Chicken Little. You saw Gary's piece. That's vintage Ron. Of course, you could threaten to walk..... but we'd rather you didn't. Aren't I enough entertainment.....? Not good enough for gummint work......?



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