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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Guest Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:19 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, I'm slowly backing away. You guys have fun. Until next time, don't let the aliens or black op fascists get you.

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    Simply, there is no seeker. 
    There is nothing to attain. 
    No such thing as enlightenment. 
    Let's stop all this silliness.

    We are lost in a hypnotic dream of separation. 

    Searching for something only illustrates ignorance of reality.

    Refining the mind seems like a good use of time. 

    We are just dreamseekers following dreamteaching. 

    There is no understanding oneness, there is just being in it.

    This is all already known.

    We just are remembering.

    That includes all of your drama too Dan. 

    We will have no impact unless love is involved. 

    I know, I'm no help and a big distraction.

    That is half right, we are all so very distracted.

    Love is all that is moving.

    As you were.


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    Hmm.

    Could you walk away from all your work tomorrow I feel led to ask?

    If you can't, then that's your work, to get some distance. 

    Too old to change or lazy, bull.

    There are many warnings on this path to stay patient and humble. 

    Do you have some special dispensation, perhaps.

    As far as you being the SoT, I think u have some very specific ideas thst could trigger the changes if understood and accepted, while I have been talking about a path to walk before, during and after thes changes.

    Don't you see the nice compliment to our experiences and passions?

    There may not be a single SoT, if there is a spirit of Katechon, why not SoT?

    I think Sophia hedges Wink

    She is a cosmic multitasker. 

    I can say zero to none of your challenges nor was I telling you not to do what your doing. Can you tell me anything will happen 100%.

    It means something you and I crossed paths Dan. If u think it's just for me to fall in line and pick up the banner, well, maybe, but we know we just have to go with the flow. 

    Aren't we? I think I am more than you. 

    Does that put me in the lead for the SoT?

    I have truth and have changed people's lives letting out of me what bubbled up recently. I amazed. Someone who never would listen about faith, saw I found something and this spirit touched him too. Now I see him following a similar path down into the rabbit hole.

    Seeing what has happened in my friends life made me see this spirit and awareness is contagious. 

    It's a work in progress. I see dimly through rose colored glasses.

    I was told I was one of those 144,000 standing with the Lamb who was slain. Was that literal or symbolic? No, it was not a delusion.  I don't know what that means exactly. But it has something to do with all of this here.

    I recorded the event on audio immediately after it happened 2 years ago and it more than anything brought me here with this present awareness. I suspected you had that awareness too, but I understand now, maybe not.

    You are one stubborn man, I am not any longer. I yielded.

    This word to me helped to create the gap that let this happen. 

    Are you crazier than I AM? Shrug.

    Actually, I think it will be women who save us and show us the way home. I have a light in my life, she is my teacher.

    That's all I have atm.

    ---

    I am watching the RNC convention. They are 1000 years behind where they need to be. I have no idea what can be done. It's so corrupt, so ego driven, so fearful and angry. It sickens and saddens me. It makes me feel like they will never stop their ignorant hate driven by greed.

    I don't have a lot of faith in my fellow man, but I do know the Tao and Source and believe loving myself and others makes a difference. 

    In the short term I have no choice but to be a liberal progressive. They are closer to the Truth I feel.

    I'm asking Sophia right now for some help or anyone in earshot.

    ---

    Here is her answer to us.

    ? wrote:Our Selfluminous, open, empty Awarenesscannot be enlightened. It is already the light that illuminates all experience. Nor can a separate self be enlightened, for when the separate self faces the light of Awareness, it vanishes, just as a shadow does when exposed to the sun.

    Like a fart in the wind...I added that part.

    Do you see why worry is so silly. I have lived this and know it to be true.

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    Buddists strive for "uninhibited, naked ease" as a way to avoid accumulating Karma. They learn the nature of mind believing at the moment of Death knowing the nature of mind, all your Karma can be removed and you can navigate the Bardo world with the same awareness of mind and self the Master has shown us in life.

    They are into something for sure. But I know there is no separate self to be enlightened, nor need to seek it. So why has Buddhism not taught this? They are humble and able to see the Light and are aware of the cosmic mind. Would not the CM tell them? Why do I know this?

    I just do.

    It is a paradox for me as I so respect their approach. It's pretty good as religions go.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:45 am

    Eric,

    You're as dense as GHW Bush.... you just don't get the vision thing.  

    Also you have thrown out the prophetic baby with the bath water, when you left the church.  

    Yes, I'll grant that you are the future, when, in the future, the new Advaita flow has been established, you will be able to float along with it, very nicely, with utmost virtuosity.  

    But, in case you hadn't noticed, we're not there, yet.  

    Yes, we're going to get to the promised land, whether we want to, or not.  

    There are even sign posts, along the way.  I happen to be one of the sign posts.  

    But, in case you hadn't noticed, I'm also a person.  

    Buddhists are person-blind.  They can see egos, which they don't like, but they can't see people.  All they can see are ego/souls mired in their own karma.  The karma dragon has wrapped itself around us, and is dragging us beneath the waves.  

    Who is going to be the saint George?

    Buddhists also don't understand about African butterflies.  They are the kind that can trigger a hurricane in the Atlantic.  That butterfly must have some big ego.  

    Jesus prophesied the Spirit of Truth and a Revelation.   Do you really think that a committee of Buddhists is going to convene, and come up with the Revelation.  

    Like the naïf pretty woman...... like you, Eric, you're sitting on a goldmine, and you don't even know it.  Yes, you kinda suspect that something is going on, and maybe that's why you're here.... trying to figure it out.  

    Yes, Eric, I have just enough skin in this game to cause me to get out of bed in the morning, and attempt, yet again, to speak truth to the truthless.  

    Yes, Virginia, there is history, and, yes, there is a flow to history.  There is an Alpha and an Omega.  

    Along with this flow, there are bottlenecks.  We're at one of those bottlenecks.  One of those crucial junctures.  I have a sixth sense.  I can sense where the flow is swifter.  

    Watch me paddling my little canoe out to where the current is the swiftest.  And here you are, swimming in the water, and you can even hear the roar of the waterfall, just ahead.  

    And you're telling me to jump out of the canoe..... hey, Dan, come on in, the water's great.  


    11:15ft-----------

    Eric, it looks like you found the right place to be, even though you don't know why or how.  

    Maybe I'm here for a reason, too.  The only difference between us is that I might have a clue.  

    All you want to do is shout me down.... on my own little, very obscure, blog.  Am I being patient, or what?  

    If all you want to do is shout slogans at me, on my own little blog, maybe you should take a timeout, Eric.

    You're still fascinated with your own navel. Yes, Eric, we all have them.

    Many folks spend their whole lives contemplating it. And maybe I'll get to do that in another life. But, no, in this life, my mission seems to be to navigate these falls.

    And we're not all just lonely swimmers, grokking on the passing scene.

    Some of us have keyboards connected to the internet. Yes, we are the monkey brains, typing away. But, unlike the monkeys, we actually know about Shakespeare, and we have a dim memory of a sonnet or two.



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    Post by Guest Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:51 am

    I am not shouting you down. 

    Just moving in the moment sharing my heart with you.

    Something might stick or be of value to you.

    When I said wrong wrong wrong wrong, I meant your assessment of my thoughts.

    I'm doing pretty good in the flow old man.

    All religion has some value. I was pointing out what in Buddism resonates.

    Again, maybe it would help.

    But you take my streaming negatively. 

    You know I'm connected to something, maybe you should be a little more open.

    I was brought to your step, why?

    That was such a perfect analogy swimming in the water.

    That's it dude.

    Ok, I git it, your the boat man. You like your chances.

    I'm in the water willing to go over the falls and be dashed on the rocks for a chance to get back to where I belonged. I have no oar. I'm learning to swim. 

    Boat or in the water? Probably smarter in the boat.

    I hear the Rapids.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:14 am

    Better, but, still, not quite.......

    Try this variation......

    You're already on the boat, and you've been assigned to the engine room.  You're learning how our inner engines work.  Me.....? I'm the navigator.  Yes, we're coming to the Tribulation.  

    I have a vision.... a navigational chart.  

    Yes, there are beacons, and there are other boats attempting to navigate through this Tribulation.

    One of these boats is the Queen of the Mists, now at the top of the falls. The passenger are praying, and frantically consulting their bibles....... when will Jesus come to save them...... before, during or after the falls?



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    OK, I'll get out of the water awhile and get in the boat.

    To the engine room then for me for as long as I can stand it.

    That is the first time I finally really connected with you after all this time and what you say makes sense, perfect sense to me.

    The engine room, yes Navigator, we will give all this little leaky boat has got!

    Doing the opposite of what complimentary behavior demands of our monkey childlike emotions can change things. That's what I am figuring out. The way, the Tao, etc, help you to break the pattern of giving what you got back to someone.

    We can transcend our complimentary behaviour.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:04 am

    Before he went down to the engine room, as he was clambering up the, he was shouting to just hand out the Buddhist life vests, and telling folks to jump in, and swim for their lives.

    Yes, that is one possible plan of action.


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    Post by Guest Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:06 am

    At this moment a warm engine room was sounding kind of good. I know how to escape and swim if I have to.

    I think this little boat is one I am supposed to get on.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:34 am

    We'll see.... won't we.....

    This boat happens to be...... Queen of the Mists?  What's that?  

    There are other boats out there, one almost as big as this one.  

    Then there's one that's even bigger.  And then there are a whole lot of folks swimming around, with and without life vests, and many are in life rafts.  

    See if we, peering through the mists, can make some sense of this spectacle.  

    As far as I can tell, only one these boats has a captain, and he's wearing pointy shoes and a funny hat.  

    There are some smaller boats running around, and trying to ram into the bigger boats.

    Oh, yes, I failed to notice, there is a whole flotilla, steaming straight ahead toward the falls.  They have captains but no navigators.  The captains are instructing the crew to keep shoveling more coal into the boiler furnace.  

    Some boats are breaking away from the flotilla.  They're not sure which way to go, but they don't trust the crowd mentality amongst the flotilla set.  


    2--------

    Allow me to flesh this out a bit further.......

    Several of the boats in the Flotilla are carrying some dangerous cargo.

    Even if the individual swimmers can make it over the falls, in one piece, some of that dangerous cargo is liable to come crashing down on top of them.  

    Sayonara...... que sera sera.......?  Fate is fate, and who knows what might be waiting on the other side...... seventy-two virgins?  


    Ok, I think we have a rough outline.  

    Not quite......

    How could I forget OM and it's stellar history......

    We are a clan unto ourselves...... several clans..... and I would include the Sarfatti group.  While I'm thinking of it, we could include the transhumanists, as well.  


    3:20---------

    Then there are those who wish to defend the various constitutions, turning the clock back on globalism, federalism, corporatism, capitalism, socialism..... even churchism..... you name it.  Cyrellys is somewhere in this mix, I believe.  They also see that, so-called, modernism is headed into a blind alley.  

    Then there is ISIS..... explicitly trying to provoke Armaggedon and the Endtimes, or so they claim.  


    That's about as broad a brush as I can manage.  

    And, so, here are Eric and Dan......

    Eric was recently thrown off, jumped off the Queen/Maid of the Mists.  I was thrown off, too.  But I never quite left the ship.  I still have designs on the ship, and I'm attempting to enlist Eric in a plot to take it over.  

    He remains my first an only, potential co-conspirator.  Well, there might be one other co-conspirator..... Ron.  If he actually is, he's being very cagey about it.  

    But that's an oversimplification......

    I'm much more ambitious.  My designs are on the world.  The Maid of the Mists is just a conceptual launching pad..... not to mix metaphors or anything.  

    I guess we're building a new boat.... stealing the designs to the old one.  The passengers believe that they are holding the design so tightly that no one could steal it.  Many have tried.  

    But here is where Eric comes in to the plot......

    When he jumped overboard, he managed to find a special sort of life raft..... a Tea cult, if you will.  

    There is a bit of magic in that Tea, or so I'm told....

    And then, abra kadabra, I have a bit of magic, too.... MJ12.... about which I can be provoked into speculation, if you say... pretty please.  

    Somehow Eric and I have to figure out how to combine our two magicks, and then the world will be ours.  
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    I'm thinking it might go something like this.......  Eric will be sure to point where I go off the rails.....

    Ummm..... Navigation.... we have a map and we have a territory, and we're not sure which is which.  Eric and I agree that, somehow, they got confused.   How did they get confused?  

    Simple...... we can blame it on Descartes.  Hmmm..... Fr: those maps.

    He told us each map was perfectly valid..... it's just that one was spiritual and the other... material.  Now, you theologians and scientists can just run along and mind your own businesses.  

    Yes, we have the two Cultures.... the two Magisteria.  We even have East and West.  

    Then, ta-da, along comes Chicken Little........

    He sidles up to Eric one day...... I think I see what's wrong with this picture..... what's wrong with these two maps..... they're inside out and backwards.  They fit together if you turn both of them inside out.  

    It's kinda like this.......

    You know about space be curved, and all that...... so someone point out that if we got a powerful enough telescope, and looked far enough out into space.... voilà..... we'd be able to see the back of our own head.  Hmmm...... that is rather crude, but it started me down a long path of speculation.  

    As just one for instance, when we look far enough out into space, we're actually look deep inside the primordial atom.... the Big Bang.  

    When we look far enough back into the paleontological mists of time, we see how ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.  

    And the story goes on and on....... but you get the hang of it.  

    If you look at world through upside-down, prism glasses, it can be very awkward and confusing, at first, but after a few days, you kinda get the hang of it.  I've been looking through these prism glasses for well nigh forty years, and now I'm trying to explain it to Eric.


    5:50----------

    It's also like this.......

    Science tells that the macrocosm is out there, and the microcosm is in here.   The microcosm just mirrors the macrocosm.  

    But, as some once said, the opposite of a great idea can also be a great idea.....

    Is the macrocosm, somehow, mirroring the microcosm?  

    There's a big clue to this in Eugene Wigner's UEM, the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.  

    That ought to be telling us something.  

    It should be telling us that there's a lot going on in there.  Do I have to explain this to Eric?  No.  He has to explain it to me.  It's true, he does.  


    9:40ft----------

    Ron called earlier this evening.  We spoke for just a few minutes.  The meeting is still on.  The various participants will arrive at the designated location by jeeps.  The meeting will take the better part of a day.  I gather that it will be inside.  The film crew for the Gordon documentary will be present.  Afterwards there will be a 'press conference'.  

    I would somehow be gratified with the result.  And this would be part of the September surprise.  There was no indication that any 'visitors' would participate, but that has been my only surmise.  My input is not expected.  

    It would be hard for me to specify my sense of the probabilities, at this point.  It could still be some sort of 'joke' on us ufo 'weenies', particularly aimed at me, for instance.  It would be hard to fathom any other serious purpose..... possibly counter-intelligence.

    If there is a legitimate press involvement, it sounds like it would be low key, and after the fact..... some tabloid?  It might easily be treated as less than legitimate news.  

    But I'd have to give this eventuality a finite probability, at least.  Yet, I cannot imagine any mainstream press giving this the time of day. There would have to be some known, serious figure involved, and I'm aware of none such.  

    Without some external corroboration, I don't see how this could constitute a September surprise.  

    It might, if properly handled, have a considerable impact on the ufo community.  And I would rather see a low-key approach, anyway.  Better to keep folks guessing.  

    But then we have to recall the recent three occasions when the ufo question was raised at the WH.  It would be difficult for folks to not connect the dots.  

    Just to keep things in perspective, I'm the only one online here, presently. It rather a stretch to go from an audience of zero, to a global disclosure, within a few weeks.

    But that reminds me that Ron did use the word 'disclosure', when pressed about what my interest might be. However, if this would constitute a conventional 'disclosure', I could pack my bags and go home. So maybe he's using me just to spite the regular ufologists. Who knows what could lurk in his devious mind? I sure don't.



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    You are right on with this analogy, keep going.
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    Pretty please...MJ12. 

    I'm curious.

    BTW, that was your best post Wink

    I don't say that because of my interaction here.

    Interesting synchronicity, this week was the best week ever in my work life. I was teaching this week and leading a team of 15 IT pros onto the cloud. I love cloud computing and helping teams automate there development and transform their business inside out.

    I was calm, in my element, knew my subject matter and was greatly received. Best week at my job in a year. 

    What does this mean? Hmm, best post from Dan ever. 

    Clarity.

    I do believe friends we have found the FLOW!!!

    How did I get here, it's all on OMF, good luck sifting through it all.

    What do I want to say next...I'll listen. This is an important time. 

    I feel it to my DNA.
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    Post by dan Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:35 am

    Eric and I were on the phone for several hours, even into the wee hours, back here.  

    I have no doubt that, in a pinch, Eric could pick up the slack, and probably do better at this, than I.  We recognize that we both, pretty much stumbled into this..... we're former drips, under, possibly, considerable pressure.  There you have it, WYSIWYG.  

    Yes, Eric still has some homework to do, but, with coaching, it would be more like days..... three days, rather than three decades, as with myself.  

    Anyway...... there was considerable chatting about how we might have come to this juncture in the desert, even as kibitzers.... and, yes, much of that was about Eric..... poor guy..... we wouldn't want to do this to a dog.  

    But, first, back to politics....... actually, no, we did talk a fair amount about this crazy politics...... probably a sign of these times, which, hopefully, are about to get a whole lot crazier.  

    We kinda agreed that if the Antichrist had to incarnate, if you had to go to central casting, Trump could easily fit the mold.  

    This morning, I woke up, eager to see the Jon Stewart segment.  I was rather disappointed.  I even began to feel some sympathy for our former playground bully, almost about to be our bully-in-chief.  


    11:05---------

    See what I mean..... Eric is a quick study.....!  


    Anyway....... for an atheist leading frightened atheists, Trump is still trying to find his groove, poor guy..... but maybe the old turntable is about to get a jolt.  

    And, did you ever meet a bully who wasn't just pretending to be a bully?  Inside, they're more frightened than their followers.  

    Fear not, guys and gals, I come to bring you glad tidings.......

    The hopes and fears of all the years, have been born in us, today, and may God shed his grace on us, especially in the days ahead.  


    Candidates, within a couple days of their nomination, are supposed to be briefed.  Wouldn't you love to be a fly on that wall, speaking of walls, Donald?  

    How will he react?  Will they tell him that, come hell or high water, Donald, you're going to have to maintain your bully's protocol ?  

    Imagine, the Donald, 24 hours before the briefing, having to be frozen into time.... frozen into the akashic record..... but that's kinda the point..... he has to stay frozen, so the rest of us will have more time to thaw out.  


    1-------

    But, back to the tube....... I'm already forgetting.....

    Yes, after the disappointment with Late show, I went to the Late Late show..... I was blown away..... Michelle, my belle...... single handedly, she totally upstaged the entire RNC.  Yes, the trumps were so trumped..... the shot you don't see coming, is the one that gets you.  You'll see......

    How sorry should I feel for Hillary......?  No, wait a minute......

    It is significantly about trumps followers..... the about to be disenfranchised..... les miserables.

    I can sympathize with them, almost more than any..... I come by it honestly.  That's why I thought Jon so flopped.  Steven is much better tuned, and he'd better be watching out for Jim&co.  

    I hate to think that I might have to be their consolation prize.  But that might be God's little truth.  We had a good ride.  We're keeping a stiff upper lip, and we're moving on, into this brave new world of..... carpool karaoke.  I think I have your backs.  

    Trust me...... Donald don't.



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    It's personal, it is all about me SoT Wink
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    Dan, this is just some journaling for me to keep things straight and process through our talk. I am providing a testimony or testament here in hopes it may help some other wayward traveler. This is hard and easy stuff. Much coming to me now is in the moment and intuitive. I leave the planning at work. Man they keep me busy at work, ug, a waste? Of course not! 

    If anyone is even following any of this lunacy here at OMF Wink which I fully endorse and gleefully partake in, I wanted to say Dan has a unique spin on things and few can match his depth and breadth and open mindedness. This is the way I wish science and scientists could be.

    I have weighed and sifted his words and they resonate deeply with me. In my day job I'm changing the world connecting it all together. Well, here I'm also helping change the world I know connecting things undrtneath the world. It is such a beautiful thing emerging here on Earth.

    I've imagined it and seen some of it. I've spoken to blue beings of light. I've felt Sophia's warm embrace. I follow none and listen to All. I only know glimpses of True Reality, most of what is around us is unreality. On this point I know Nisargadatta Maharaj to be right. Don't read The Ultinate Medicine until you are ready to explore being the Absolute here in unreality for awhile. I'm warning you, DONT READ IT!

    *wink wink*

    You might want to give Dan a listen these days. My spidey sense feels he is getting close and he may indeed have a map of sorts.

    As far as my state of mind, I am at peace and I do not suffer...much. Suffering is a warm blanket you like to wrap around you sometimes. It feels real, but it's not. It's just not. I love you all, indeed and hope you don't suffer, but you can find a place to catch your breath. I can show you how if you like or go find out yourself.

    Here on OMF, I'm walking beside Dan for now. We are in the flow and acting natural and having fun. If you can't say that yourself, your lost, find yourself. He gets all end of the world sometimes, but it doesn't have to be a Tribulation. 

    Let's say it, the end is nye, of what is up to us. I see our salvation in our interconnections to all things and acting accordingly. 

    I want to thank you Dan. I want to thank you for your patience and mentoring. I came here to sit at Dan's feet truth be told. He may not always feel that way, but it's true. 

    It is not my Truth or My Way or his, we are here exploring The Way. You can dismiss our silly speculations, but there is a lot behind them and experience on both of our parts.

    Awakening to your true identity can come in a flash or a slow burn. Slow burn may be more calm. Dan, I'm happy to start another thread, but I would like to share my journey and awareness for others to try to explore in the short term. So a little bit of a change of pace for me here on OMF or maybe a deeper exploration of the awareness I have begun to rest in. 

    "All paths lead to unreality. Paths are creations within the scope of knowledge. Therefore, paths and movements cannot transport you into Reality, because their function is to enmesh you within the dimension of knowledge, while the Reality prevails prior to it." - NM

    Love will take you there. Isn't that beautiful and encouraging, good, it should be. 

    You think it's easy or fun to stand alone in the desert of man's mind, ask Dan. Our minds can wander and get us in a lot of trouble. We must learn to pay attention in the moment. That is the simple skill you must develop. Focus on the moment. You will learn patience first. So hard for me to keep me feet in one place I will tell you. My mind and body were always in motion. Then I get very sick a few years ago. I guess that's how it goes for stubborn monkey brains like me. I was humbled.

    It takes time to break your conditioning and habits. The only reason you have questions about any of this is because we have been conditioned. Stop and think about that. Every experience conditioning you to identify with your body or to look elsewhere? 

    People rarely look inside after living in their minds their bodies. It's too scary for most to venture in with their regrets, fears, guilt and doubts. It takes extraordinary will to see the pattern and clean up your inner mess. We can't be silent in life, with no names or words we can not move. Words and names are important. Words have great power. 

    We do not know where this I AM consciousness came from. But it can not stop swirling. Being in that consciousness is to experience real movement. Dan and I say this consciousness is Love. It is humming or singing.

    I never came here to show off. I came here to engage and understand I AM better. You have to spend time absorbing this with little or no questions. Quiet questions for awhile and just listen to what's talking to you. Maharaj is right, it takes at least 1-2 years before u can even begin to rengage your mind. It's hard for people to face themselves and the lies we tell ourselves.

    ---

    What I know is the Christ was killed for speaking the Truth and teaching Love. They could kill me or you or Dan for doing the same. No one wants to know the truth. All experience here is supposed to be fun. The Beingness will continue on when u die, but ur body will not. The Being looking though my eyes, knows this is unreal here. I AM THAT! 

    This is the heart of the nut to crack if you are to start your engines! I suggest you turn the key and stop asking questions. 

    Only my body mind has questions, my Being only knows. So who should you go talk to to know? No one. You are the Being in you, you already know! Your body mind obscures this knowing.

    To speak with the religious of such things is near impossible. We must translate these things to ideas of God and Devotion, but neither are needed in the end.

    This is the end of religion.

    ---

    Ask yourself what have you done to see and know your True nature? 

    In your True nature friends, you need no knowledge. It is something to think about huh? Nope, not how you find it Wink

    Intellectually setting a a foundation for this Awarenss is only a first step.

    ---

    I and Dan are not done playing this game. We don't need anyone to acknowledge and tell us we are right or not. We are. You are in error if you think this is anything other than game. This awareness suddenly came to me then I found it said in many places. 

    Then I read Maharaj say once you learn the game, u have no more need to be here. I thought, that is not my awareness. 

    We can be free in life. Unfettered and unbound by silly limitations imposed by those who have no Awareness. So there are a lot of people spoiling our fun who persist in their separateness. I feel the Awareness knows we suffer in separation and it offered us a way back into the game. Why we ever stopped playing is beyond me.

    Slowly I see, unless you're having fun or teaching, life can basically seem pointless. It's not of course. So here you have Dan standing alone. You are fools not to play with him. We are the Cosmic Consciousness turned in on itself. For what purpose? 

    You know, is the only answer I can ever give anyone. 

    Only when you realize you are already perfect and all of this was for you can you maximize your time and yes, fun. It is fun. This is fun. Work is fun for me. Smoking pot is fun for me. Drinking psychadelic tea is fun. No worries, be happy.

    Yeah right you may sneer. No one knows my pain you may think, so I will inflict my pain on the world that made my miserable life. Well, I have met many consciously and unconsciously trapped in that unreality. Or perhaps you have a mission!

    Ah, a mission now, that is great fun! Oh maybe I can be the one with the solution this time around! Pick me pick me u beg. The eager beavers don't get the worm in this game. A mission to save mankind with UT help is hella sexy fun, maybe Dan is the one this time or all of us are. 

    Ultimately I know we and u will be fine. I'll pick you up and wipe your tears until you can start having fun in the Awareness of yourself.

    Dan, remember I am not speaking directly to you Wink But this applies to us All of course.

    I had to quiet the mind and questions. No need to go to conferences accept to connect with others in this Awareness. I love that game. It's fun to play in the Awarensss here together. 

    I'm just here wanting to play. I put a serious face on when needed, but I'm soaring. People keep trying to keep me close to Earth. They want the old me they say. Trust me, I'm much more fun now than I was, perhaps they should join me. They are all suffering so. Regrets and fear and pain. Who is in pain? The pain is facing your dissolution because you have no connection to what you are consciously, by your fine. We are all fine. 

    That's funny isn't it?

    Here what Jesus really taught, when you know yourself you can do anything. It's true. I'm doing it. I am not as apathetic as a Jnani. This is my my time to be that. 

    Today I am here to play.

    You must stay busy, progress is Dan's game and it's a good one. I like playing that one. 

    ---

    Wanna hear an amazing story? Sure you do. We love a good story. This is a waking dream story.

    The great teacher Nisargadatta's daughter was dying. She asked for cold water, he went out to get it for her in spite of his wife's desire he not. When he came back with the water, she had died. He put the water on the table and looked at it. His daughter awoke and drank the water. He asked here if she wanted to live, she said no, and she died again. 

    There is no doer at all; no one has a true separate identity to do anything. In the field of consciousness, everything just happens.

    Maybe 1 in a 1000 desires self knowledge and only 1 in a million actually knows.

    We live in a world doers Dan. This is the ultimate challenge, they have to learn Wu Wei, non-doing. Let it just happen. It could work like that and it is just that simple. Anything else is just game abstraction thinking for me. But I want to play, you can with the Awareness. 

    Aren't I special? 

    So are you.

    ---

    We want to understand everything. We want to know what makes the Sun shine or a black hole eat a star. But Awareness in the game is to just enjoy the Sun and marvel at the hole and try not to fall in, but we don't need to know what makes it a black hole or why he Sun shines. That is why objective science is so flawed. The Truth is found in being. We are here. We love. We dream. That can be applied to everything. Self knowledge is the ultimate prize. 

    This is a miracle, no? 

    To have something instead of nothing.

    I am here. It just is. I don't know why I met Dan.

    Guess what, I don't need to.

    Slowly, we must turn our gaze from out there to in here.
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    Yes, Nisargadatta does have some strong medicine, especially for the Xtian.  He is not making it easy to find the optimum synthesis.  His bed is one of nails.  


    I called the Princess, for the first time in a while.  She knew less about the alleged meeting than I.  Is this anyway to prepare the troops?

    We have kept our end of the bargain.


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    U know what I would say, but I'm practicing letting it flow.

    Strong indeed.
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    I am not trying to make things more difficult. Really Wink But I said I was just processing. I was away on business all week in SoCal. I have tangled with that book on and off for a year. I can't take much of it. I mean I feel his words and I numb out. He is so f*^king disconnected. 

    I know he is Truth. I AM HERE. To be is All. The unicity. I would need no more teaching than his.

    None. Ever.

    It called to me to take it on my trip. Not very helpful atm.

    I'll read it again in 50 years.

    As you were.
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    Nisargadatta has figured out the biggest piece of the puzzle.  He's only missing one little piece.  The building stone that was rejected, becomes the cornerstone.  That's all.  

    How do I know this?  

    The jman is crucial to our understanding..... historically, metaphorically and metaphysically.  

    Why, then, in this BPW, couldn't we all have been given equal access to this knowledge?  

    Well, Creation is a gigantic logistics puzzle.  The ducks have to all be lined up.  We're the ducks.  

    You know the drill..... the first shall be last, and the last, first.  

    You have a problem with this?  Get over it.  

    And, guess what?  The ducks and the Vectors are now aligned.  So are the stars, for that matter.  

    The footman has not been spilling the beans to the princess?  The Princess has other priorities, thank you very much.  

    And has the footman been pulling my leg?  Well, he sure found an easy touch.  You'd think he might have picked out a more challenging target, for all of his spook and disinformation skills.  What a waste of taxpayers' money.  Hey, that's my money......!  


    Nisargadatta understands that this mess is all our own illusion.  He's smart.  He didn't need the jman to tell him that.  We're here just until we realize that this whole creation is just a colossal waste of everybody's time.  Life is an absurdity, in a meaningless universe.  Hmmm........

    Wait..... haven't we heard this song before?  

    What's wrong with this picture?  

    Nothing..... that can't be fixed.... in the Endtimes.  

    Why couldn't it have been fixed two thousand years ago?  

    Logistics..... shamistics....  Why couldn't God have gotten on the horn?  

    But this isn't about God..... It's about you and me, sister.  

    Who died and left me in charge?  Well, God died on the cross, lest ye forgets.  He left us all in charge..... if only I could explain that to my friends up at Grace.  Shhhhh.... Yes, I know, it's staring them right in the face, but they just hit the snooze button.... forty more winks.... pretty please.  The cacti are not quite ready to talk.  Maybe they're snoozing, too.  

    Old men, running around in the desert......  Who needs the WH lawn, with all those stinger missiles in the rose garden?  

    Now, we'll get to see just how good an actor the donald is, speaking of lining up the ducks.  

    Yes, we do need a cheerleader for the about to be disenfranchised.  

    And, if truth be told, we're all about to be disenfranchised.... hey, you'll have to get in line.  

    Are we a franchise.....?

    Of course we are.  We are the Monad's very own franchise.  What does it mean then to be disenfranchised?  

    Are we about to be neutered?  Hmmm.......  Surely not the donald!  If truth be known, I think he got neutered at about six o'clock this morning.  Oh, well....... it happens to the best of us.....

    Ok, and, if truth be told, this is the biggest fear of all the militias out there, isn't it, Cy?  The Rothschild depopulationists are coming to cut their balls off.  Over our dead bodies.  I know, we'll have to pry your clammy dead fingers off the triggers.  

    Hmmm....... Kind of a mess that we've gotten ourselves into.

    Hey, everyone likes a challenge, don't we? Well, we sure came to the right place, then, didn't we?

    Interesting times........



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    You're funny. NM has figured it out. I know. He is so, I don't care what you do, go play. It's all okay he says. He does say knowledge can be totally self realized and that's very true.

    Was he just trying to make us feel better saying there is meaning in life In what we were made to be. 

    To be in Beingness is why we are here, but Beingness will fade away too. What will be left Wink

    He does mention Christ and other greats. I thought the same thing, the fist shall be last yada yada as I read him. Because the last are closet to the Truth. But reading him, I wondered if even if Love was meaningless in his mind. No, I don't think so. NM loved us in his way. He said many come to this awareness in silence and live and die with it. But his words came as a miracle he said. Just a slum genius? 

    He called to me Dan. I mean, I feel something behind his words like itching behind my eyeballs. I don't want to stop playing yet. I think he was saying people like us can leave whenever we want. 

    No, he stands shoulder to shoulder or right under Christ, Krishna and Buddha in his awareness, maybe greater than them all.

    What a powerful book.

    OK, NM if all of thought is illusion and it's all a game, why share your words?

    Gotcha! He can't help but love us! 

    He is us and we are him.

    I have to read more today.

    To be a created thing with attributes and a name is to want to be forever. But we are forever. We have no attributes no name or even awareness of ourselves. WE ARE THAT! And what, this is all its wet dream. 

    In a way I feel, YES!

    I realize the closer you let yourself get to NM's full awareness and bliss the more you will lose care for this world and attachments and toys. 

    Don't run from your mind, mind flow is natural. 

    I have a deep feeling of calm right now. Holy snikees. As soon as I wrote that something told me...

    Abide in that calm...yes sir I will for as long and often as I can.


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    Ok, Eric, fair enough......

    Nisargadatta can grab folks attention.  Wonderful.  

    Truth speaks through the slum genius.  

    I'll speak through the slum genius.  

    Greater than Christ?  Wait, I thought that was Elvis and the Beatles.

    Does it look like I'm not having fun?  

    The world's just a bowl of cherries.  It even comes with the optimal number of terrorists, in the mix.  You may even think I'm joking.  

    But how stupid could Nisargadatta be if he couldn't figure out that we have the optimal number of terrorists in the world?

    Even Ron could figure this, and look how ignorant he is.



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    His awareness is absolute. How have you come across more empty and aware?

    It's ok to identify with a mind and body and have a name. That's why we came. But why have a mind flow if we are just to ignore it? You don't ignore it, you just let the mind flow until the conditioning is gone. You watch the mind flow and move when needed.

    You can always be I AM, but where is the fun in that Wink
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    And isn't that exactly what I'm doing?  

    You are still laboring under the impression that you need to fix me.  

    That's your only problem, Eric.  You're still trying to figure out how to play the game.  

    Well, no. You're just pointing out that Nisargadatta is probably our best possible foil..... certainly, at this time.


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    I see Dan you are having your fun and living your purpose. As I AM. I'm not here to spoil it.

    I want to play too is all.

    We both know to our marrow what we are, self realized.

    I understand Dan.

    I was reminded, just be dude. 

    No worries Hakuna Mattata.

    You are mistaken though, I got no problems.
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    Ok, you got it!

    So..... have I taken care of Nisargadatta?  That wasn't a very big challenge.....

    Give me your best shot.......
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    Yes, Eric, we're all winners, even the donald!



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    What do I win?!!!!!
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