Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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And for the insane, or other wise, we present:

Schroedinger's Cat is not Alone

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.4206v4

Beatriz Gato, Beatriz Gato-Rivera
(Submitted on 23 Apr 2010 (v1), last revised 31 Mar 2011 (this version, v4))
We introduce the `Complete Wave Function' and deduce that all living beings, not just Schroedinger's cat, are actually described by a superposition of `alive' and `dead' quantum states; otherwise they would never die. Therefore this proposal provides a quantum mechanical explanation to the world-wide observation that we all pass away. Next we consider the Measurement problem in the framework of M-theory. For this purpose, together with Schroedinger's cat we also place inside the box Rasputin's cat, which is unaffected by poison. We analyse the system identifying its excitations (catons and catinos) and we discuss its evolution: either to a classical fight or to a quantum entanglement. We also propose the BSVΨ scenario, which implements the Complete Wave Function as well as the Big Bang and the String Landscape in a very (super)natural way. Then we test the gravitational decoherence of the entangled system applying an experimental setting due to Galileo. We also discuss the Information Loss paradox. For this purpose we consider a massless black cat falling inside a massive black hole. After that we outline a method to compute the contribution of black cats to the dark matter of the universe. Finally, in the spirit of Schroedinger, we propose that next generation double-slit experiments should use cats as projectiles. Cat interferometry will inevitably lead to the `Many Cats' interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, allowing to shed new light on old mysteries and paradoxes. For example, according to this interpretation, conservative estimates show that decision making of a single domestic cat will create about 550 billion whole universes every day, with as many replicas of itself.

Gary,  

Did I forget the Resurrection.......?  

I do't think so.  I am suggesting that there are two aspects of the cosmic Spirit...... the eternal and temporal aspects.  We are comprised of both aspects.  The temporal aspect of God is poured into Creation, highlighted in the Incarnation of the Christ.  That Incarnation also marks the culminating death of the temporal aspect of God, which continues up until the historical incarnation of the SoT, which we are now anticipating.  

The historical advent of the SoT inaugurates the Millennial earthly Kingdom.  The Millennium witnesses the spiritual resurrection of the temporal aspect of God, culminating in the combined physical Rapture/Resurrection at the end of the Millennium, some thousand years hence.  This is the Omega event.  Our CTC is completed as a portion of our descendents return to Earth in the megalithic paradise, to become our ancestors.  This is the Alpha event depicted on the Great Seal.  This is the meaning behind the allegory of Noah's Ark.  

Actually, the Obverse of the Great Seal could be taken to depict both the Alpha and Omega events, with the eye/Logos also being the Alpha/Omega = Chi/Rho (Cairo).  A very compact ouroboric symbol.  


Jake,

You and Cy need to get your stories straight.  Cy has me working for the Beast, while you suppose me to be the 'competition'.  

So far, there has not been a single unsolicited response to the last radio show, which will be posted here, when Patrick sends me his email address, so it is fair to say that 'MJ12' continues to have the Disclosure situation well under control.  Should we be worried?  And should we be worried about the Source having MJ12 under control?  Everything is right on track, oh, ye, of little faith!  


Cy,

You are wont to postulate that the Democrats have cornered the market on Evil.  Might this be just a tad simplistic?  

What you and all the other moderns, here, there and everywhere, continue to discount is the inevitability of a Paradigm Shift.  And has there ever been a vision without visionary?  Do you not have a vision, Cy?  It is either much too vague, or it will require a personal visionary to propound it.  Do you deny me, or anybody, that one small step?  



Back to the outline.......

22.) The pivotal/seminal step into the new paradigm will be the simple and combined realizations that, quantitatively speaking, both Progress and Souls must be bounded. These are two sides of the same cosmic coin.




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For the technically minded ... Time machines and closed timelike curves, revisted ... http://arxiv.org/pdf/1309.4751v2.pdf

Dan, perhaps you might weigh in here on Dr. Alexander's precognitive sentient intelligence problem allegedly at Skinwalker Ranch?

Gary,  

Thanks for the new CTC reference.  There are also many popular references, which may be googled.  

As for Penguin and Skinwalker, I'll wager that you are better informed than I, so please feel free to tell the story.  
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22.)  Quantitative bounds of Creation....... It will seem passing strange, in retrospect, how we moderns became so easily seduced by Infinity.

Infinity has become our proxy, our Idol, for transcendence.  It's just that simple and that convoluted.  

The ancients could see this 'rough beast slouching toward Bethlehem', from miles away.  By the time it got here, we had forgotten.  This rough beast of the material Infinity is just the Strong  Delusion that has led us into our modern, Great Apostasy, and that signals the Apocalypse.  It's just that simple.  It is not anything personal that can or will seduce us as the Antichrist.  It is the Impersonal.... our ready supposition that we are lost in space and time.  When we have blinded ourselves to the omnipresence of God, the mice do come out to play.  

It is Gary's friend, 'mad' Max Tegmark, who has personally ramified this Infinite Golem to all absurdity.  If Gary could only awaken to Mad Max's absurdity, he would finally be born again.  He would then be able to see himself as if for the first time.  We should all be praying for Gary.  He doesn't quite get Max's joke.  


Ask not who enforces the Cover-up.  It is only just the measure of the hardness of our hearts.... hardened by our over-indulgence in the seduction of the Great Beast, modern materialism.  

It will be the MoAPS which will awaken us from our Slumber of materialism.  And Jake is worried that the PtB will put Chicken Little and his little Princess out to dry.  When I finally show up on the radar screen of the Mass Media, it will be much too late.  They won't even know what hit them.  It's just what Jesus called for..... the Thief in the night.  


The above count-down, 1-22, started back near the bottom of page 71, for those of you trying to keep score. This is easily the best outline so far, not just of the content but also of its present context. This outline will be the gist of the next 2 shows, in February and April. Then comes the suggested show-stopper, in June. How much assistance will I get then? Will we still be on the air? Jake bets, no.





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Dan wrote:Jake,

You and Cy need to get your stories straight. Cy has me working for the Beast, while you suppose me to be the 'competition'.

So far, there has not been a single unsolicited response to the last radio show, which will be posted here, when Patrick sends me his email address, so it is fair to say that 'MJ12' continues to have the Disclosure situation well under control. Should we be worried? And should we be worried about the Source having MJ12 under control? Everything is right on track, oh, ye, of little faith!


Cy,

You are wont to postulate that the Democrats have cornered the market on Evil. Might this be just a tad simplistic?

What you and all the other moderns, here, there and everywhere, continue to discount is the inevitability of a Paradigm Shift. And has there ever been a vision without visionary? Do you not have a vision, Cy? It is either much too vague, or it will require a personal visionary to propound it. Do you deny me, or anybody, that one small step?

Dan,

as usual you have not understood a thing I've said in all these conversations. And it isn't rocket science.

Let's make this cut and dry....the Source isn't supporting, promoting, or enabling your MJ12 senario. In fact it IS supporting, promoting, and enabling the Third Option'rs to take back what you are planning to steal from the world.

Don't mistake silence for agreement with you and yours. O Contrair, it is the calm before the storm.

And if the Source is NOT supporting, promoting, or enabling you and yours...and it is doing so for the oathkeeping Third Optioners, then what does that make you and yours?

Cy

P.S. The two party political system in surface governance is a myth and really funny. Those who count aren't falling for it.

And if you won't go back and reread all the information and comments I've shared with you in an effort to straighten out what you guys are doing, then FYI, the point in which you realize you've got it all wrong, it will be too late to do so.

Cy,

You refer to the Third Option.  I've not been able to find it from google.  

And I'm wondering how you decided that MJ12 is/was evil.  

Would not the Source wish to keep a line open to the PtB, in case of emergency?  Would that not be an obvious way to avoid a blood bath?  Or are you, like Jake and the Evangelicals, promoting the Blood-bath of Armageddon?  
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The above outline, #1-22, pp. 71-73, is geared toward theists and ufologists.  

The other side of that coin would be to outline the points that I would want to bring up in a debate with an atheist/materialist.......

1.)  In these postmodern times, has not intellectual atheism given ground to pluralism and agnosticism?  

2.)  Might not the end of material progress be coming into view?  Has not the hope of perpetual progress been the primary motivator of modern atheism?  

3.)  If we cannot entirely discount the concerns about a global population/resource crisis, would these concerns not lead many of the remaining atheists to be more willing to think outside the box of scientific materialism?  

4.)  In recent years, has not the Anthropic/fine-tuning principle aided and abetted many of the theistic intellectuals?  

5.)  Cannot the same be said for the continuing and widely published discussions of the mind-body problem.  Which side has been gaining the most ground?  

6.)  What are we to make of the prospects for extra-terrestrial life?  

7.)  Which provides the more compelling argument against God..... the lack of scientific evidence, or the social harm of religion?  

8.)  Is life an absurdity in a meaningless universe?  Are you and I better understood as bags of atoms swerving in the dark, or as beings with intrinsic value?  

9.)  Trillions of dollars have been poured into scientific research.  Does that present a tilted playing-field, when it comes to encouraging more research into the study of philsophical issues, such as the origins of human intentionality?  

10.)  What probability would you assign, a-priori, to the possibility of there being any scientifically 'uncorrelated' phenomena, that might pertain to the human psyche, for instance?  IOW, is scientific materialism in any way vulnerable to being blind-sided by the unkbown?  

11.)  How do you explain emergent properties?  How do you account for the Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics?  How do you account for mathematical genius?  When might we expect AI to surpass natural intelligence?  

12.)  What is the best argument against idealism/immaterialism?  Is there any pressing need to continue the support of philosophy?  Does philosophy serve any continuing purpose?  


This pretty much covers the weak points of SM.  Then what?  Where does the argument go from here?  Which part of the BPW/SW/CTC-h do I then launch into, from this starting point?  


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Having explored the vulnerabilities of SM, I'm tempted to immediately take up the most vulnerable part of the BPWH, i.e. the SWH, and the notion of the Strong Delusion/Great Apostasy.  This is to take up the idea of the self-revealing/self-concealing deity.  

I need to explain the motivation behind the SWH, and why I suppose it to be unavoidable.

It mainly has to do with Eschatology....... How else can we have meaning? Yes, I'm defending human exceptionalism, from Alpha to Omega.

So, yes, #22, above, is all about human exceptionalism. That is what I take up with the atheist....... that be my strongest point and his weakest point.




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Dan wrote:Cy,

You refer to the Third Option. I've not been able to find it from google.

And I'm wondering how you decided that MJ12 is/was evil.

Would not the Source wish to keep a line open to the PtB, in case of emergency? Would that not be an obvious way to avoid a blood bath? Or are you, like Jake and the Evangelicals, promoting the Blood-bath of Armageddon?

You won't find it on Google Dan. It's privileged information.

I haven't decided MJ12 is evil - those are your insinuations as to what I think in your view.

I'm just a witness, an observer, at least at this point. But one could wonder about that question since either by activity or by default association they reside on the genocidal end of the depopulation/population stabilization agenda of things. I don't know Dan, you tell me?

The Source and the eldest of Others listen. This world is still a ward of the Source, at least until it can demonstrate that its children are responsible stewards. Are they responsible stewards?

If so why is Fukashima going undealt with? The Pacific Ocean and all life in it is dying and crowding the western American coastline, seeking relief and escape. Those howling for help on the matter are being marginalized and ignored. I don't see you or the vaunted MJ12 applying your great intellects to the problem. What is the Source and its associates to think?

What of the proposed genocide in the US and those calling for 90% depopulation? I hear only agreement from you and your crew. Is that supposed to impress the Source, a universal creator and venerator of life, principled soul evolution, and Excellence?

You ask me would the Source not wish to keep a line open to the ptb? The line is never closed, Dan. Only the ptb are closed and reserved. They withhold themselves from their peers.

You suggest that maintaining the communication as a means of avoiding the bloodbath. I would tend to agree...but yet I hear you repeatedly over the years promoting the bloodbath and then you have the nerve to ask if I or Jake or the Evangelicals are promoting it? Geez Dan, even I know you aren't that dim.

I have never heard Jake or they for that matter actually promote or sanction such a thing. In fact the awake and the aware through the use of the alternative media have bent over backwards to prevent it and postpone the civil war over it, in order to give every opportunity to restoration of the Third Option or in the hope that the Bible's book of Revelations is not going into action during this generation.

And I have never sanctioned such a thing. You're problem is that you do not read what I've written to you since 2008. You're too ensconced in your little construct to see anything external to it.

The Source has delivered the message by innumerable methods and means. Yet not a one of them has received the time of day from you or yours...yet you continue to claim you speak with its voice.

You continue to plan to speak with its voice at some point to the masses and that the ptb are to take it as official and act upon it.

Who defines evil Dan? What has the Source said is the definition? How many documents have been handed down with the pieces of that definition?

It's not me you have to worry about Dan. I am a line of communication. I haven't walked. I can understand why Jake walked out. And from what I know of the Source, the Source does not hold it against him.

How many bridges shall the corruption burn before D-day?

And this is not to say that everything you've pondered is poorly assumed. I've mentioned as much several times in the past. But you seem to forget that, same as you do not read the concerns and warnings about policy and conduct.

Armageddon in any form whether in the contexts I've pointed to, or whether in a classical religion sense, is a result not listening and continuing on course when you've been warned off.

How many times, and how many different ways does communication have to occur to get a message across?

Cease the wars, and do not depopulate. Become good stewards of your world. Explore, be Excellent, and proceed upon the path that leads to fulfillment of your Potential. Yes evolve into higher beings, but first grow up, live a good life, and don't take shortcuts to reach that evolution.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Instead, I'm left staring at reports that the intention to YARDFARM, is what you and yours consider evolutionarily appropriate - in every manner, from chemtrail spraying, to drones, to the use of foreign troops given useful pre-devised circumstances.

Exactly how did you expect the Source to see this?

So you tell me, is MJ12 or you and yours evil? You, as a so called messiah, should know better than I the Source's definitions of things like evil.

Consider how this looks Dan...consider how it looks to external yet validly concerned Beings, while you have posted a sweet photo of yourself with a child?

Just think about it. And then perhaps you should reconsider your regard of Jake's frustration, at the very least. What recompense on your part is he due? What is due the Source if you are wrong in your current machinations before you've set down to ponder these things?

Cy

Cy,

The recurring use of secret phrases, such as Third Option, can hardly be seen as conducive to communication and understanding.  

Allow me, then, to specify my understanding of MJ12.......

I deliberately take an ad-hoc, minimalist view of MJ12.  It is a group that serves at the behest of the Visitors, to facilitate the orchestration of Disclosure, and, in particular, to provide a communication channel with the PtB.  

I further assume that some members of the Aviary have had, at least, indirect communication with MJ12. The fact of my exposure to Donald Menzel, at an early age, is probably not incidental to the later developments. The fact that the MJ12 would be 'recruited' from the ranks of high level military and intelligence officers would be necessary to its proper functioning.

Beyond this, any speculation about the make-up of MJ12 will shed little or no light on the make-up of the Visitors who may be wont to exploit it as a communication channel.

This having been said, >95% of your many speculations about the alleged intentions of this group are baseless, and, when not actually baseless, are irrelevant.

Perhaps this will go some way to explaining my failure to pay close attention to such speculations by you and others.

Therefor, Cy, if you wish to communicate with me about my vision for humanity, you are more than welcome to do so. However, by coming into that conversation with your prejudices blazing, you are in no way being a facilitator of understanding.

Furthermore, you go on endlessly about everything that you wish to project onto my concerns about human fertility vs resources, without ever bothering to ascertain what my actual views are on that topic.

So, yes, there is plenty of room for improvement in our conversation, on both sides. I anxiously await any opportunity to take our conversation to the next level.



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dan wrote:Cy,

The recurring use of secret phrases, such as Third Option, can hardly be seen as conducive to communication and understanding.  

Allow me, then, to specify my understanding of MJ12.......

I deliberately take an ad-hoc, minimalist view of MJ12.  It is a group that serves at the behest of the Visitors, to facilitate the orchestration of Disclosure, and, in particular, to provide a communication channel with the PtB.  



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Dan, "Third Option" is for the umpteenth time not a secret phrase. I have used it in correct context, on your thread(s) since 2008 in my posts more times than I can count so that it is clearly understandable in LAYMENS TERMS!

And yes I'm going to force you, if its the last thing I do, to go back and study all those posts to get the understanding of them you should have picked up the first time around, because you most certainly expected all your readership to learn and understand you complex dialog.

And I know full well what MJ12 is. And being generationally involved in the paradigm, I know a good deal about what is going on, including on the sly. I am also aware of all the factionalization.

Why do you think people like myself are being pulled in to help straighten this mess out? And it is indeed a mess Dan. More than you know, it seems.

But thank you for clarifying your understanding of them.

Cy

Cy,

And please refer to the rest of my above post.  I have no doubt whatsoever that our fruitful communication could play a significant part in whatever may be about to transpire relative to human destiny.  
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Yes, I do believe that, wrt the previous 12 points, they should be revised to be fully focused on the primary issue of human exceptionalism.


In the meantime I am reading an excellent book..... http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Gospels-Story-Christ/dp/1595588787 .

Dan wrote:I further assume that some members of the Aviary have had, at least, indirect communication with MJ12. The fact of my exposure to Donald Menzel, at an early age, is probably not incidental to the later developments. The fact that the MJ12 would be 'recruited' from the ranks of high level military and intelligence officers would be necessary to its proper functioning.

Beyond this, any speculation about the make-up of MJ12 will shed little or no light on the make-up of the Visitors who may be wont to exploit it as a communication channel.

This having been said, >95% of your many speculations about the alleged intentions of this group are baseless, and, when not actually baseless, are irrelevant.

Perhaps this will go some way to explaining my failure to pay close attention to such speculations by you and others.

Therefor, Cy, if you wish to communicate with me about my vision for humanity, you are more than welcome to do so. However, by coming into that conversation with your prejudices blazing, you are in no way being a facilitator of understanding.

Furthermore, you go on endlessly about everything that you wish to project onto my concerns about human fertility vs resources, without ever bothering to ascertain what my actual views are on that topic.

So, yes, there is plenty of room for improvement in our conversation, on both sides. I anxiously await any opportunity to take our conversation to the next level.

Speculation?  Prejudices?  Nice try Dan.  Not happening.  I never said anything about MJ12 until you brought it up.  I'm speaking of you and yours which is not necessarily the same thing.  You know what I mean.

Those comments pertaining to the population concern are BASED on what you have stated on these OMF threads AND in emails.  Right out of the horse's mouth - your vision in your words.  Your vision, your words is what always brought Jake in on the run when you would say something shocking or horrific like some megalomaniac would be mass murder.  Its what all too regularly brings me in on the run for the SAME reason.

No sane person would respect us if we didn't jump up over such things Dan.  You said those things, we didn't.

I am very clear about how things are interconnected in the realm of societal consciousness.  I even point out to you what you misunderstand about what I've said.

It's getting to the point out here, with the escalation of tyranny and covert acts of aggression, that it is meaningless to play communication facilitator, because the further we go down this road the more apparent the only thing the corrupt within the system and associated parts of society seem to respect and understand is a bigger more effective sword with the ability to reach in there and drag the criminals out by the ankles into the daylight.

Is that how this needs to go Dan?

Keep calling it speculation and prejudice because the people coming up behind me are not mediators or facilitators; they will not be polite; and in fact I have it on good authority that when the folks on your side of the fence act with extreme prejudice, they will reciprocate in ways you apparently can't seem to imagine.  Those are the stakes.  No one is going to roll over for your people and let them lop their head off.  The only thing this corruption is going to do is end up in a colossal moose hunt across the entirety of the planet....there won't even be a DUMB you or they could hide in that will be safe enough to escape the hunt.

Like I said, keep calling it speculation and prejudice...real smart when its people like me holding back the solar tides for just a hair longer in the hope of turning this leviathan around in hurricane force winds.

Yeah, guys I know you're reading all this...best think carefully about what you're creating.  Deals with cosmic level evil don't work out well.

And I'm not referring to ET here.  ET is wondering how a people so brilliant can have individuals and groups that act so insane.

Glory Train? Lethal Stargates? Ring a bell?

Cy

Cy,  

I'm sorry, but I can only wonder what side of what fence you find me on.  

If just once, Cy, you would very specifically respond to one actual thing that I said, you might find that it would result in an actual conversation.  

Instead of responding directly to things I actually say, you are usually making accusations about future crimes by groups with whom you believe I am conspiring.  

As a for instance, because I communicate with someone in the employ of the CIA, this fact, alone, makes me culpable for every crime that has ever been, or that might ever be, committed by any member of that agency, past, present and future?  

Are you thereby suggesting that the world would be a better place if every military and intelligence organization were to cease to exist, effective immediately?  If that were to be the case, then who do you suggest should bear arms, and who should be keeping track of our enemies?

Well, to me,  it seems like "State of Minds" are somewhat altered here in mass effect.

We have a forum led by someone who basis her battles on the unseen and imagined enemies of the NSS.  She hosts a special guest who is working with, in some mysterious capacity, people who have the ability to pry into the private lives of individuals, claiming to be a 'well-funded' messiah of sorts exclaiming her to be slightly off kilter.  Then we have people claiming to have experienced 'Things', which don't exist, following the dialog of  a loon and a messiah, wondering why seats within our government, visit-support-encourage-and care-take such wonderfully special people.  

Does this mean our highly esteemed guests of government who, used to visit more often, are joining a pack of schizophrenics for Tea time?  Can I be Hatter?  

“Do you know why a Raven is like a writing desk?”  Let me dwell a bit!

Trillions spent on delusions?

I find something peculiar: Why is one of our special guests so tongue-tied when discussions of MK-related matters arrive for discussion when that is an area of expertise? It's like trying to get a mime to open up his wee little soul to expression. Nervous looks around the room..... Does everyone have to 'check-in' before they can speak? Tongue and cheek, of course.  

Yes, do let me play Hatter in the Messiah's dance, hosted by queen of the 'rebel-yell'.

But to answer you, Dan. Yes, there is a need for "some" secrecy, at least in this world.  Yet, some secrets, should just never have been kept or at least should end.

Signing off...

MD02,

I will readily grant you that there are many things in this world which should cease, and sooner than later. That is not the question.

The question before us is how to bring about the various endings, up to and probably including the ending of the (natural) world. If there is a plan of salvation for us, exceptional beings, that plan must necessarily include these endings. No?

dan wrote:Cy,  

I'm sorry, but I can only wonder what side of what fence you find me on.  

If just once, Cy, you would very specifically respond to one actual thing that I said, you might find that it would result in an actual conversation.  

Instead of responding directly to things I actually say, you are usually making accusations about future crimes by groups with whom you believe I am conspiring.  

As a for instance, because I communicate with someone in the employ of the CIA, this fact, alone, makes me culpable for every crime that has ever been, or that might ever be, committed by any member of that agency, past, present and future?  

Are you thereby suggesting that the world would be a better place if every military and intelligence organization were to cease to exist, effective immediately?  If that were to be the case, then who do you suggest should bear arms, and who should be keeping track of our enemies?

Dan, that above is totally off kilter. I'm not accusing you of anything other than over things you have actually said and how it fits into the big picture, and you know it. Back peddling doesn't work with me.

You know darn well I'm well informed. You have have one contact in the IC world. I have access to a whole network of IC and current and former mil working to block catastrophe. I have a generational family history in the paradigm. I have a working relationship with the Source using Synchronicity. And I have the research results of a massive research community, on the ground qualified observers, and proven information analysts. I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, in other words.

Maybe you should run down to my board and read the contents of my 2013 publishable links on its dedicated thread?

I also ensure records for this forum, the OMFv1 and its contents, AND I have an audio and visual memory...I'm a human sponge that is considered in my circles rather good at connecting the dots.

It's not bragging, its filling you in on the homework you didn't do before opening mouth and inserting foot.

I have responded to your comments directly, yet you seem to think I don't. Is that a consequence of narrow thinking on your part? I could forward a copy of the visual representation of Tesla's Tesseract I have over on Facebook from 2008 and also another copy somewhere in over 20 gigs of files if you like, as an expression of multi-dimensional thought processing.

As far as future crimes go, wouldn't it have been nice if we could have listened in on the conversations of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao which they had with their peers just a few years prior to their oversight of genocide?

I wonder were any of them having syrupy conversations cloaking the meanings of their intents but being all the while clear as to the collective agenda of their "system inhabitants"?

What some folks like the Jews and Russia's traditionalists might have given for that sort of foresight and discovery?

Oh but the world is over populated, so that makes it all ok.

Btw, Jake and I do compare notes.

I still remember the days when you sent Murray to nix the communication event of someone else because you felt threatened by the competing narrative. No moral faux pah there aye?

Would you like me to fetch my personal copies of your depopulation statements from my files and email record? Is it necessary? Might make your public engagements a bit awkward.

Jake plays nice. I hit back and below the belt mind you. I suggest everyone remembers that when any care to tango with me.

Cy

dan wrote: If there is a plan of salvation for us, exceptional beings, that plan must necessarily include these endings.  No?

If exceptional is pertaining to a 'certain-group' of people being afforded greater lattitude towards such salvation from an Earthly perspective generated intentionally by a man made design, then no.  

Free Will, Dan. You let Everyone decide.   Cease any attempts at controlling, Destiny. Plan your contingencies if you must.

They kept the secret for 50 years. Give Mankind half that time you had and then see where to go from there.

Speaking of human exceptionalism and the U.S. government, a history lesson:

http://www.starpod.us/secrets/jake-stewart-usn-psychic-spy-program-proposal/

Thanks, Gary.  I will look into those deeper when I can.

In the meantime, a guidestone for One:



"When you become again as a child - and forget everything that you have been told....


Edit: Not sure were the added code is coming from. I don't see a way of editing that out of the discussion?????

Thank you all for your important contributions....... very seriously, of course.  And do note that Scarz has also initiated a discussion on the Bible/Ufo thread, toward the bottom of p. 54...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t42p795-the-bible-ufos-et-and-the-ancients-part-3 .

In my extreme naivte, I was failing to appreciate why I was being lumped in with the promoters of genocide, but I am now reminded that I am seen to be advocating the total destruction of the world.  After all, what else is eschatology about?  

(I just deleted several paragraphs........, let me try again.....)

So, yes, there has been some discussion about my 'bribing' the princess to give more airtime to the eschaton.

And I do understand why I am being accused of promoting genocide, even though I speak of a spiritual eschaton. The eschaton has already been blood-soaked.

In my naivete, I thought I could get away with simply being the SoT, but, no, that was not in the cards. It was gonna have to be the whole enchilada, from the git-go.

Every drop of blood and every tear shed will be written on my dance-card. Me being almost the least worthy amongst us. In every game, there has to be at least one crap-shoot, even when the big guy is rolling.




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then surely Dan, you can understand why we're all a little bent about those statements you made?

EDIT TO ADD:

and FYI on the side for perspective all you fence sitters and bench warmers:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/m/discussion?id=2734278%3ATopic%3A596683

OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING - Washington, D.C. in the cross-hairs - The Out-of-Control Government Must Be Stopped – Constitutional Emergency

I'm sorry guys it sucks being right. Figure out where you are at ye observers. That's only the tip of the iceberg.

Is the iceberg the justification for those who are declaring a need for 90% depopulation? For some probably...others have been at this for a much much longer time. We didn't get like this overnight guys.

And if the local Bear and ying/yang troops are listening in, my courteous suggestion is step out of the way of the freight train, getting in the middle of family feuds is the most dangerous thing you can do. Just ask any cop about those domestic calls.

Cy

Cy,

Very well stated.....  Constitutional emergency.  But you see that I have upped your ante, to declare a cosmic emergency.  

Will the constitution, thereby, be thrown out the window?  I think not.  I think we can maintain the CoG.  I mean, seriously, even before I met Ron, I had made it clear that my boots would be on this ground, and that I would die with my boots on.  There would be no castles in the clouds, not on my watch.

And I just had a discussion with Bill L about Kim Ill, the younger.  Who ordered the execution?  Was it Kim or the Army?  We suppose that this was Kim's Reagan moment.  They do have serious invasion plans wrt SK.  Have we located all the tunnels, was the question.  

Cy might wish to know if this would just be a cover for declaring martial law back here.

Do I have a backup plan?  I don't.  Can the BPWH be falsified?  TBMK, God is a drama queen.  When things finally start moving, we will all be wishing that they would slow down.  We can all run, but not one of us can hide.  IOW, I am not into a pre-trib.  Those were not my instructions.  

So, I am asking Boyarin, and I'm asking Cy, if Jesus was blood-thirsty?  Even the evangelicals admit that Yahweh may be viewed as a http://www.amazon.com/Is-God-Moral-Monster-Testament/dp/0801072751 . How many wedding processions has God decimated? Did I have prior knowledge of 9/11?

I will say that messy-antics is not for the feint of heart, not for the wall-flowers.  

Should we revel in our mortality? It is not irrational, to suppose that mortality is an essential component of our creaturely status..... not to be denigrated. We will miss it when it is gone. But, despite my eschatological predilections, I do verge upon blasphemy when I declare that the Old Earth will not pass away. The New Earth, the New Jerusalem will not render us obsolete. Every one of our deeds has been recorded. You dare not remove Creation from the Creator.

We are one family. Everything had a reason. Nothing is wasted. Every shining present is eternal. Redemption is forever. Nothing is hidden from the Redeemer. What more need we know?




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Dan, is the universe a quantum computer? Seth Lloyd seems to think so:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.4455v1.pdf

Jake, the End Times have been happening for 2000 years. The End Times is an ongoing event, or did you miss this part of St John's Letters???

Skai,

Are you saying that Jesus was misinformed?  Many have surmised as much.  And I think they are correct, up to a point, which could be about now.  

This is what we need to discuss, here, and on the Radio.  Patrick is about to upload last week's show.  

However, KIM, that anyone who mentions eschatology is liable to be labeled as a moral monster.  


I did finish the Boyarin book on the Jewish view of Jesus, which nicely complements the Klinghoffer book on the same topic.  

One the one hand we have a very good explanation of why many Jews accepted Jesus, and, OTOH, we have an equally excellent explanation of why many Jews rejected Jesus' claims on Messiahship. And, of course, this discussion amongst Jews has never been more current than it is today.  


Gary,

Is the universe a quantum computer......?  

Yes and no.  My two cents is that God is the programmer-in-chief.  We are God's avatars, and we are the pinball wizards in this game of life.  But, we are about to matriculate to being the co-programmers.  This is when we awake from our slumber of materialism.  


In the meantime I will be meeting with the Princess to hopefully work out a continuation of the proactive eschatology that is essential to the BPWH......

1.) There is a logical limit to material progress.

2.) Near that limit, like now, our attention becomes focused upon our Apokatastasis. The is the expected substance of my participation in LotP/WolfSpirit..... How do we become one with the eternal God? How do we get from here to eternity? Now, we are homeward bound. The trip does get easier, but.......




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Dan,

I do recommend this paper by Mad Max to prepare you in the war of words vs worlds:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0709.4024v1.pdf

Or the short physics version: "Shut up and calculate."

Many words or many worlds? Max advocates eliminating human concepts from physics.

Tegmark argues this viewpoint defines the "best possible physics" we could hope for. Here is the full (technical version) of the above:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0704.0646v2

Hi guys Dan has asked me to get this audio file of him hosted and linked to via omf , which I have done , the title of it is called 2013-12-17_Leopards-On-The_Prowl_with-Dan-Smith_Maniac-and-or-Messiah.mp3  and the direct link to it is here https://mega.co.nz/#!ad8WkYKa!OQ9D120OaoudrVXnQzh9xW6VjUdeOhvuxved6XkYdXQ

And the link to the resources section can be found here http://originalopenmindsforum.webs.com/apps/links/  the file you are looking for is the last 1 on the list , enjoy.