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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by hobbit Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:38 am

    By a friend of mine in the neolithic world.

    https://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146414582

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    Post by dan Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:25 am

    hobbit,

    It looks interesting.  I’ve ordered it to arrive Wednesday.  

    Things might have been a lot easier, if you had mentioned this from the start.

    I’ve also downloaded Robert Lanza’s newest book (2020).

    This came up while ordering Jonathan Morris’ book.  

    Lanza is definitely questioning the whole idea of deep time and deep space. He puts sapience before everything else.

    He is the first academic since Barfield to question modern cosmology.



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    Post by hobbit Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:50 pm

    Dan,
    The most difficult obstacle to overcome when first detecting what I can was that there is a fixed never moving aspect to it.

    This just went against all present logic or accepted reality, but I simply could find no fault, no matter how I tried.

    Then I began to detect how consciousness operated on the fixed grid.

    By staying on the grid I became at one with consciousness, I stayed on the straight and narrow pathway., luckily I had little to no indoctrination/s fighting what I was in tune with.

    Robert Lanza and Myself would get on fine., as I do with Jonathan.

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    Post by hobbit Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:58 pm

    The narrow way is one inch wide.
    https://activechristianity.org/jesus-is-the-way-the-narrow-way

    And multiple such pathways cross at finite locations giving consciousness pathways of least resistance to spiral in/out ( reversing) of such locations.

    The geometry of such locations enables consciousness access to trip from dimensions to dimension.

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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:37 pm

    Dancing Feet, where did they Meet. With Chicken scratch, there goes the SLC Batch. Alone again, with his Chicken friend, the Right Foot hops, while the Left Foot drops.
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    Post by dan Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:50 pm

    Yes, it does appear that chick 🐣 was just too much for (left) Foot***.

    And Foot*** was, indeed, the last of the SLC batch.

    What next, pray tell?

    Right now, Lanza looms large on the immediate horizon.

    I have been unable to ascertain how he deals with eschatology.

    How does he possibly manage to duck this issue?



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    Post by hobbit Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:11 pm

    I can determine a humans consciousness field, and the radius out from each.
    By comparing ever so many. I can determine each humans ability to remember, children have huge memory field radius about them( average 40/50 feet)
    Those who cannot remember ( dementia) are almost not detectable, it is sad to witness.

    Imagine if the Earths such field shrinks, it too will forget, as Your president is clearly doing.

    Then in the blink of an eye most of the Earths surface will forget, little or no trace as all is remembering to be or not to be.

    The memory of all will be in the flows of consciousness and will thus again remember.

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    Post by dan Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:19 pm

    2020z…….

    hobbit,

    Since time is an illusion, nothing can be forgotten.  

    Do we have to imagine our most embarrassing moments as living on forever?  

    Well, as seen from eternity, such moments would likely acquire a very different sheen.


    It is quite amazing how Lanza manages to sidestep almost every ontological consequence of his observer centric world.  

    He seemingly never asks himself about other worlds or dimensions.  

    There is nothing about the beginning or end of history.  

    There is not a single practical consequence to his entire cosmology.  

    He simply talks all the most obvious questions into the ground.  

    Almost everything is left hanging, just twisting in the wind.  

    The book has very much of a Zen flavor.  Chivo might have written it.  


    0340……..

    The last post from Footmann was actually by Ron.  

    All those previous substitutes were allegedly from Utah.

    It is not clear who enlisted them or why.  

    Ron may have to do his own recruiting, after this.

    The motivation remains obscure, as does the motivation for his continuing, almost daily, calls, which, however, I usually find helpful.  

    I’m often able to get straight answers.

    The posts from Chivo have degenerated into very repetitive, ad hominem, negativity, and I continue to delete them.

    I regret the unfortunate waste.



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    Post by dan Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:42 am

    1240z……..

    Lanza has a subjective/solipsistic form of idealism.  

    He calls it Biocentric, but he has almost nothing to say about the biosphere, as such.  

    There is no mention of history.  At best, it is a postmodern egocentric pluralism, on steroids.  

    If there is any spiritual content, it is of a Zen nature.

    There is much quasi-technical discussion of quantum gravity, which simply remains as a topic unto itself.

    The whole concept of cosmology is left twisting in the wind.  

    Nonetheless, Lanza is making some impact on the academic scene, enough of an impact to bring about a concerted response from the skeptics.  

    With his biocentrism he is laying siege to the remaining physics centricity of academia.  

    From that perspective, Lanza is firing a significant postmodern shot across the bow of the physics community, a community that, so far, has managed to remain impervious to the blandishments of postmodernism.

    The physics community’s only previous response was to be found in the fallout from the Sokal hoax.  

    Lanza is not quite a hoax.  


    2020……..

    Nothing I am hearing from Ron about the Firmage campaign gives me any reason to believe that it will fare any better than his previous political campaign from three years ago.  

    The only item that has registered was the allegation that he was recently able to demonstrate an anti gravity type of device at several locations in DC, and that these demonstrations were germane to the launching of his campaign.  And now he is, somewhat desperately, seeking five hundred dollars from an unnamed individual.  

    This sort of desperation hardly instills confidence.  

    The Firmage phenomenon has been around for a long time in these precincts.  It’s not clear that it is anything other than a dragging weight.  

    This would be one way to put Disclosure on ice 🧊…… to bring the spoiler attack to its early demise.  


    Back to Lanza…… it just occurred to me that he has failed to mention the Anthropic Principle, and, despite all the attention to consciousness, he fails to mention the mind-body problem.  These have certainly been conceptual cornerstones for the BPWH.  

    There is the impression that what Lanza doesn’t say is far more significant than what he does say.  

    Lanza is attacking the physiocentricity of science from the biological side.  However, what may ultimately be more significant are the radical speculations put forward by physicists, themselves.  

    These speculations may usually be grouped under the rubric of information physics.  

    The recent and previously mentioned radical resolution of the black hole information paradoxes, now brings out the cosmological consequences of information theory.  

    Let me hasten to say that, as a personalist, I am no fan of black holes, but I do take seriously that information theory has become something of a stalking horse for cosmic consciousness.  

    Robert Lanza can barely hold a candle to the more serious and radical speculations permeating the physics community from the inside.  

    Bio-centricity has nothing on psyche-centricity.  

    Psyche-centricity is the is 800# gorilla 🦍 in these precincts.  

    Joe Firmage and his whirligig are just not going to cut it……. not unless the Princess 👸 is willing to show some skin!  

    Yes, this could be a two-track Disclosure…… we can’t put it past the Ronster.  



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    Post by hobbit Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:57 pm

    Dan,
    Are You removing posts?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:32 pm

    hobbit wrote:Dan,
    Are You removing posts?
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    Yes Dan is now removing all your and my posts.

    He has shut down.

    He’s done allowing alternate viewpoints.

    We broke up.

    I will continue to offer my counterpoint on OMF until Cy kicks me off.
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    Post by U Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:55 pm

    I'm damn sure Cy is much more welcoming of free expression than Dan is.

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:57 pm

    U wrote:I'm damn sure Cy is much more welcoming of free expression than Dan is.


    Perhaps.

    Dan can’t handle me anymore.

    Don’t blame him really.
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    Post by U Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:06 pm

    It's a good thing really. I think you've proved your point in almost every way that you can. If you separate from Dan's work you can focus on your own as can he. I mostly do my own thing, the eyes that needed to see my messaging have and that's that. Your OMF journey need not end.
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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:47 pm

    The Chick's small world is about to undergo a rapid expansion. He may soon be invited to serve as an advisor to President Firmage. (http://www.firmageforpresident.org/) Firmage has yet to set up a proper accounting system for campaign contributions and expenses, so he will be relying on some private funding. I encourage everyone to examine firmageforpresident.org every day for new comment, and to provide feedback on philosophy to the Chick.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:19 pm

    U wrote:It's a good thing really. I think you've proved your point in almost every way that you can. If you separate from Dan's work you can focus on your own as can he. I mostly do my own thing, the eyes that needed to see my messaging have and that's that. Your OMF journey need not end.

    Agree.

    I have no emotions about anything I write or have written.

    I react in the moment.

    I don’t have any plans.

    I don’t care what dan does.

    His space.

    I always been here having fun.

    I don’t care who I play with or what.

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    Post by dan Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:15 am

    For an example of the speculations within the physics community……… The Self-Simulation Hypothesis Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics (2020) by Klee Irwin, Marcelo Amaral and David Chester …… https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247/htm ……
    We discuss a non-materialist view called the self-simulation hypothesis, wherein everything is information, which we define as thought. The universe self-actualizes itself into existence via self-simulation using a mathematical code and a simulation game rule called the principle of efficient language. The salient idea is “timeless emergentism”, wherein the total simulation run can be viewed as one grand thought. Herein, the presumption of time does not exist, and, instead, a nested hierarchical order in the total self-simulation thought as an ordered set exists. Emergentism in this context is where the self-simulation grand thought has various sub-thoughts in a nested hierarchy that synergistically composite to higher-order sub-thoughts and eventually composite to become the grand thought of the self-simulation run itself.
    Amen, brothers….. Here we come…… I Am, ahoy!  

    And, perhaps 🤔, foot 🦶, above, is taking up my suggestion of a two track Disclosure…… a materialist and an immaterialist track.  

    Is the Princess 👸 willing to put some serious skin in the game?  

    Where would donny be sitting?  We do need to keep in mind his uncle’s connection with Tesla, as well as the peculiar adventures of his namesake, Baron Trump, from 1889.

    donny is reported to have some sympathies with the Firmage initiative.  

    foot disbelieves in the anthropogenic origin of climate change.  

    Ok, so how about a Theogenic origin?  

    I do believe that the fall of the secular scientific establishment will be similar to the fall of the US supported secular Afghan government.  

    Surprisingly swift.  

    Choreography is coming to the fore.  

    Ok, so we have the choreography of the Tasseography.



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    Post by GSB Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:18 am

    The Chick's small world is about to undergo a rapid expansion. He may soon be invited to serve as an advisor to President Firmage. (http://www.firmageforpresident.org/) Firmage has yet to set up a proper accounting system for campaign contributions and expenses, so he will be relying on some private funding. I encourage everyone to examine firmageforpresident.org every day for new comment, and to provide feedback on philosophy to the Chick.

    Advisor Smith, do tell us of your plans for the upcoming campaign.

    It does appear this is Joe's vision of a BPW:



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    Post by dan Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:54 am

    Gary,

    The overriding aspect of the final/Omega/participatory phase of the BPW Ouroboros/CTC will be our return to the Source/I Am.  

    Following Owen Barfield, we could break our BPW CTC into three sections……. beginning, middle and end, or Alpha/XP/Omega.

    The Alpha and Omega phases are each dominated by twelve habitat/foci….. Megalithic and Megalopic, respectively.  

    The 24 foci/habitats would be portal transits on our way to or from the Source/Telos.  

    Each foci would be highly entangled.  

    Your graphic depiction simply provides a three dimensional schematic of what ultimately would be multi-dimensional.  



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    Post by GSB Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:35 pm

    Hmmm ... gently transform, eh?



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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:45 pm

    The chicken often refers to the anthropic principal, seemingly suggesting the Universe was fine tuned for our existence, but then he denies the existence of the Universe, claiming everything other then the Small World is fake. We observe what we can of the Universe, but as we step though a portal we observe so much more. Is that a gateway to a Large World?
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    We observe what we can of the Universe, but as we step though a portal we observe so much more. Is that a gateway to a Large World?

    "Don't cast that spell ..."



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    Post by dan Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:03 pm

    1900z…….

    A recent conversation with ftgm leaves me with the impression that we are keeping our powder dry with respect to Disclosure.  

    To be more specific, we simply do not have access to sufficient evidence to pull off a full Disclosure, whether or not we wanted to.

    To be even more accurate, we are keeping our powder dry on the expectation that there may be a more opportune time to employ it at a future date…… despite the fact that the global situation appears to be deteriorating at an accelerating pace.  

    A partial Disclosure might only exacerbate an increasingly fluid situation.  


    2030……..

    The basic idea is that, despite every appearance, history is not an ad hoc sort of thing.  

    Time is an illusion, but history is less so.

    I’m suggesting that history does not actually play out.  

    Every second of history is based in Eternity.  

    There are vantages from which all of history may be surveyed as the timeless process that it actually is.  

    And, in effect, this survey has been performed by all of us, sub specie aeternitatis.  

    This is not a passive survey.  It is highly participatory.  


    0310………

    Materialists are so relieved when someone, with even a smidgen of gravitas, can reassure them that their soul can be analyzed……. objectified by science….. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/aug/25/being-you-by-professor-anil-seth-review-the-exhilarating-new-science-of-consciousness ……. nothing to see here, folks…… just keep minding your own business……..!  

    Everything is under control…… by the folks with the microscopes 🔬 and the test tubes 🧪!  



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    Post by dan Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:25 am

    1330z………

    In lieu of a full Disclosure, can mini disclosures provide a useful preparation for the MoAPS, the mother of all paradigm shifts?  

    In some cases, the answer is, yes.  

    I think it’s fair to say that the NYT tic-tac disclosure was helpful, in that it was a shot across the bow of modernism……. like no other single shot has been.  

    The present question is whether a Firmage campaign would clarify anything or only muddy those waters.  

    The tic-tac phenomenon decidedly leaves the door open to phenomenology.  

    Joe attempts to slam the door on phenomenology, coming down hard on the side of technology.  

    Only those of us who are aware of Ron’s involvement with Joe will be in a position to see the larger picture.  

    Joe is, very definitely, not a seeker of truth.  

    He is swinging for the political and entrepreneurial fences, as he makes perfectly clear in all his presentations.  

    At best, Joe will be a Pied Piper to those with blue sky dreams.  

    In his initiative, he even attempts to obscure his own contact story.  

    Joe’s culture is merely a continuation of the rocket 🚀, Star Trek culture……. staying true to his Mormon roots.  

    Joe’s mission is a singular effort at misrepresentation.  

    In as much as Ron colludes with Joe, he shifts from spoiler to sidetracker to disinformer.  

    Will Ron and Joe get away with it?  

    Well, you can fool all of the people some of the time………

    Ron has patiently cajoled me to climb aboard the Firmage express.  

    Do these means justify any ends?  

    No.  

    Is the Grand Deception that lead to our Great Apostasy a crucial aspect of our Metanarrative?  

    There is a resounding…… Yes!  

    Perhaps the Firmage phenomenon can be viewed as the last hurrah 🎉
    of the Grand Deception.  

    chick 🐣?  chick’ll take a pass, thank you very much.  

    chick would much rather fail at a cause that will eventually succeed, than to succeed at a cause that will eventually fail.  
    ………..


    1450…….

    I remind you of post #103 on page….
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    2 did not meet Reagan at a fundraising event.  It was over several meetings at Willard S Liddy’s home.  The significant other presence at some of these meetings was Edward Teller.  

    Ostensibly, these meetings were about Star Wars.  Apparently, that was mostly just the cover story.  

    Likely, they would have been about the pod, etc……..

    I asked 3 about these meetings……. who would have invited 2?  

    No, the real question is who invited Reagan.  

    These meetings would have been prior to the election.  

    ftgm claims to have been able to document some aspects of these meetings.  That would almost be a smoking gun…… certainly for folks who have a bit of background.  It’s the closest thing to such to which I might have access.  

    Would not access to the pod constitute a full Disclosure?

    Is the pod being held in reserve?  

    If chick 🐣 can obtain further information about the Libby meetings, it would help to offset the disinformational aspect of the Firmage initiative.  

    Perhaps I would just be bringing coals to Newcastle……. everyone on the inside, knowing Ron, would already know about the Libby meetings, and no one else would be able to put the information into perspective.



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