Who do we think we are?

First topic message reminder :

Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)

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https://www.humancondition.com/?videoId=home_top_playlist&item=1

Has anyone looked at this?
hobbit

Wow, didn't know you guys liked me so much! Thank you very much!

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This said, nobody's perfect and there's always room for improvement when it comes to being a better person. It's our responsibility to work on that each and every day.... me included.

Dan, I would like to know if you believe the info that this Mr. B has been telling you. How do you know he doesn't just want to start up a new metanarrative to see how far he can go with it until it fizzles out.

As for that Utsuro Bune story... nothing new here.... we are all familiar with it though. If Mr. B is into UFOs then it's not surprising that he would know that story too. Am I missing something here?

But here's what's on the wiki page about that story that I find interesting:




In Ufology, the legend of the Utsuro-bune has been described as an early case of a documented close encounter of the third kind based on the similarities between the drawings of the vessel from the Edo period and 20th century descriptions of flying saucers. Some Ufologists suggest the Utsuro-bune could have been an unidentified submarine object (USO). They note the mysterious symbols which were reportedly found on the object that regularly appear as addenda within the depictions. They are suggested by some to be similar to the symbols reported at the Rendlesham Forest Incident in England, which was used by the United States Air force. The same writing is also found in caves. Caves also show many drawings of odd figures along the symbols. UFO proponents further point to the ominous box held by the woman as well as her physical appearance and unusual dress as evidence of an extraterrestrial encounter. The assumptions of any historian and ethnologist about those items are repeatedly ignored
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utsuro-bune


Here are some sig. UFO incidents from the 19th century listed on wiki. That Japanese story is also included in that list:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

Do you guys ever go to Jack Sarfatti’s website, it’s a portal.

http://stardrive.org/stardrive/

Thanks for that link Smelly... love the news sections on his first page!

Also, love that link you gave us Hobbit... have been looking it over!

Theories are theories. I'm never to quick to dismiss any.

They all need a lot of work before they are relegated to trash heap.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/garrett-lisi-e8-theory/?redirect=1

The God question is a perennial favorite......

We all tend to be dogmatic on the subject, one way or another.  

With my granddaughter also wanting to get in her blogging time, I’ll need to get to the point.....

Why can’t we have the best possible God....?  

Simple answer........ we’re not into sharing God.   We want exclusivity to some absolutist vision.  Hinduism is into pluralism with respect to the God problem.  Each family can have its own tutelary deity.  That model has not worked too well in the West.  


11:15........

The irony is that the Hindu deities could be seen as more personal than those in the monotheist tradition.  But this has not proven out, historically.  


11:35.......

Whatever you say, 99. I will leave the seances to your expertise.



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Ok, here's what happen. 
One night, a couple of weeks ago or so, I saw a ghostly tallish slim elderly man sit down in a chair in my living room... and then disappear. At the time when that happened, I was wide awake watching tv and I saw that apparition just as I was on my way to the kitchen to get a cup of tea. 
It's a rare occurrence (or rather, a once in a blue moon thing) for me to see something like that when wide awake but I strongly sensed it was you Dan (he looked like you) nevertheless it startled me and left me feeling a little unsettled. I just don't like surprises like that. 

So last week when I was at this forum, you gave me the opportunity to get into a heated argument with you and I made the decision to take it to town e.g. insults, name calling etc... because I felt if I pissed you off enough you might just show up again like you did before. 

It's too soon to tell if it worked or not but I'll let know either way.

I was not going to talk about any of this because I don't want to draw attention to myself for stuff like this... it's too off-the-wall. But some of the things you said today indicated to me that I might as well mention it just to let you know what was really going on at that time.

Yeats wrote of the Daimons.

The Daimons are the names of God.

You talk about the Christians a lot Dan, but what about Judaism?

They do not recognize the trinity as god would not divide itself they say.

I think they are just too virtually focused my self.

I think messiah is never capitalized.

Jesus did not meet many of their messiah criteria.

Their messiah is political.

Trump may be more the template for their messiah or Kushner?

99,

Some years ago I was watching a live video link from inside a megalithic chamber, it was running 24 hours a day to see if it captured any images.
I wished I could be there in that chamber when a ghostly figure appeared sat in a chair, I didn't actually see it until later, as it was ME.

I didn't write anything, as they would have thought I were a nutter.


it shook Me up and I am careful now with what and where I go surfing, as such.

There are more things in heaven and Earth.... than meets the eye.

I experienced the strangest dreams last night, and sure hope I wasn't surfing about , especially one that involved My ex wife.

hobbit

Thanks for sharing hobbit!

So are you saying that the ghostly figure that sat in a chair was you? 
Well, that must have really freaked you out when you saw a replay of that vid. recording. My goodness!

If we’re going to talk about God, we need to put it into context........

The best working context we have presently is that of Owen Barfield, with his the stages of history...... beginning, middle and end.  In each stage, God/cosmic consciousness (CC) has a different way of interacting with us.  

In the beginning and end it will be more direct.  In the middle it is more indirect.  

Throughout history, CC has the option of interacting with each of us individually, in a plethora of guises.

The three stages I speak of are taxonomic with regard to global history.  

A related model of history is that of Julian Jaynes, Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.  

The breakdown can be variously dated, as occurring in the first two millennia BC...... this is our switch from tribal to ego consciousness.  The introduction of writing is well correlated with this gestalt switch.

The commencement of the prophetic tradition is also correlated with the breakdown.  

Owen refers to our bicameral period as original participation. The period that may be ending now would be beta or ego consciousness.  

What we’re mainly concerned with, here, is the imminent transition to our final participation.  

These three stages are well correlated with the prophetic tradition.  

What I heard a couple of days ago, from our neighbors, is that Islam may not recognize a third stage.  I’ll have to check this out.......


11.........

I’m beginning to understand what’s going on, politically.  

Islam has no Millennium, because it is the Millennium....... duh!

Well, for that matter, so is the Jesus movement.  

Let’s see how far back we can go.......

Judaism is also Millennial.

Predating even Zoroastrianism, which had roots in the second millennium BC, is Yazdanism.  Yazdanism may have given rise to the Vedic tradition in India.  

Yazdanism grew out of the Hurrian culture.  

I am wont to posit that Buddhism has strong Millennial aspect.  

So does Taoism, I’ll wager......

(I’m wondering if several folks participating here aren’t being deliberately disruptive.  I trust they have good reasons.  I think we need to inquire as to their reasons.)

Li Hong is the messianic figure of Taoism.  


12:30........

smelly is still being disruptive, too.  Time has a direction, illusory though it may be.  He is being much too much of a purist.   He would never dirty his hands with history.  

The recent upsurge of nationalism, is a thinly disguised global millenarian movement, rising against the globalist secular elite.  

smelly is representing that elite, whether he knows it or not.  


Every uprising has had a millenarian/spiritual component, if not essence...... with just one exception...... Marxism.  Even Nazism had strongly pagan undertones.  

Marxism, of course, had an explicit Hegelian antecedent.  Marxism, though was strongly anti Christianity.  We could say the Marxism grew out of the Protestant rebellion against the Church, in tandem with the Renaissance/Enlightenment.  The French Revolution was only quasi secular.  So was the American Founding and subsequent Revolution.  

It was Jan Hus’ burning at the stake, in 1415, that ultimately culminated in every war of liberation.  And all that goes back to the crucifixion.  Poor Buddha...... never got martyred.  Nevertheless, he was in the puritanical tradition of the Anabaptists.  

Such is the prophetic tradition.  

The Jewish Revolt (66-137) was without benefit from the j guy.  Rather, Jesus came out of that same millenarian crucible that was Judea.  

Nationalism is just a truncated, slightly secularized version of millenarianism.

I would hasten to point out the millenarian movements are not about regime change.  They are about a fundamental transformation of society.  Where Marxism went off the rails was in supposing that such a transformation could be sparked by external/material causes. Yes, if the state is going to whither away, it will have to be replaced by the Kingdom Within.  What was Karl smoking?  

How much of this does Steve Bannon understand?  I don’t think Steve is as stupid as he looks.  

Does Steve have information Tinkerbell?  I would bet you a dollar to a doughnut.  

Does this mean that Steve and Donald are agents of God.  No, they are God, just like you and me.  

Yes, the stakes are pretty high...... here.

By the way....... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_in_Buddhism#Millenarianism .....

Buddhism is the strongest form of non-western millenarianism.[232] In many Buddhist traditions, there is a concept of a time when the world will end. The concept of a millenarian figure arising in the world at an apocalyptic age exists in many Buddhist traditions. In Buddhism, the growth and decline of the world is believed to come in cycles, and the declining period is believed to end with the arising of the cakravartin and finally, the coming of the future Buddha who will start a new prosperous period. Devotion to such a messianic Buddha figure has been part of almost every Buddhist tradition.[233] Millenarian movements are typically a form of cultural defiance of the dominant culture, resisting "the attempt to put reason and logic over faith", according to political scientist William Miles.

Hmmm....... resisting logic...... you might want to tell that to smelly....... to the Logos.....?  You might want to think again.  


3:30........

You’re working for the Man, smelly.  I hope you get your 30 pieces of silver, you, Judas.  


Apparently I’m an historical premillennialist.    

But, no, I’m also a progressive dispensationalist.  

In other words, the best possible world threads the needle between the various versions of eschatology that have been held by various sects.  

The Grand Deception, the Great Apostasy and Tribulation all occur before the Second Coming and God’s Kingdom on Earth.  In other words, I’m expecting to be met in the air by the Church.  Hmmm......

I guess that’s true...... the Princess definitely escorted me to Earth, well, technically, I escorted her, but you know what I mean.  

Wait, I must have conceived the Princess when I met Sophia in 1977.  Let’s face it, sports fans....... it’s complicated.  The small world makes for strange bedfellows.  So, actually, I have two goddaughters..... the Princess and Kashmir.  I’m like George Washington...... I sleep around.  

And, yes, as the Millennium progresses, the two Kingdoms gradually merge...... by the opening of the portals, thanks to the Princess, finally relenting.  

My fellow premilDs assert that the Kingdom on Earth will not be merely soteriological.  It will also be theocratic.  Take that, donny, you’re outta here...... enjoy that slow boat to ShangriLa.  

I guess I just recognize three main Dispensations..... original, egoic and final participation.  In that sense, the advent of Jesus might as well have been virtual...... mainly propitiating the Second Coming.  

I’m definitely a postmil Rapturist...... the Rapture corresponding with the opening of the gates.  

Oh, but wait, with the opening of the gates, God and Magog will be released into the land.  I don’t think they’ll get too far.  If that’s Armageddon, it’s been overrated.  

I’m also subscribing to the millennial day theory for the small world.  

I seem to lean toward convenantalism, especially toward the eternal covenant.  


6:20.........

I’m finally realizing that the whole flavor of dispensation is at odds with the best possible world.  Dispensation is something granted as a special favor to an inferior.  

Sorry, Charlie.......

As personal coCreators, we have a mutual covenant with cosmic consciousness, with the Source.  

We are partners in the enterprise of Creation.

And, it just occurred to me..... EBE123 = Rad.  That would be hilarious, sports fans.  It would be such joke, it might even be true, ha ha.  Yes, we did come about twenty years apart.  

And then there is all that theological confusion about the Rapture and the (final) Resurrection........ it’s all the same thing...... don’t worry about it.

I wonder how long it took mj12 to figure out the joke.  

We even have the red, yellow and blue books.  Rick wasn’t as dumb as he looked.  

So, is everything explained, from nationalism to donny?  I guess so.  Is anything not explained?  What is the main thing we don’t understand?  

I can’t think of anything in particular....... it’s just filling in the details.... connecting the rest of the dots.  

Is that an anti climax, a let down?  

I think we came close enough to the brink..... thank you very much.  

What’s next?

I think we have an embarrassment of riches..... to tell the truth.



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There is nothing wrong with your forum. Do not attempt to adjust anything. We are controlling transmission. For the next paragraph we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits.

Learned a few things last night from "a meeting" with "the aliens" ;-)

The organized cosmic civilization is over one billion years old
They use the analog of human mass transit (bus) for interstellar transportation -- various civilizations hitch a ride for long distance travels
Transport of individuals to and from their pod-craft is by a form of teleportation but not in the material sense we use the term; it is possible humans might eventually be accepted to access the cosmic transport system (a physical transport)
Visually they both resembled and differed from their Hollywood representations (they have large heads but multiple patterns on what we would consider the top of their heads that distinguishes them from their Hollywood counterparts)
Humans are considered quite primitive by comparison and potentially dangerous to them because of our natural fight/flight response in their presence

Of course, this was all just a dream ;-)

We now return control of your forum to its regular programming. Have a nice day!

I think it’s more that poets and verse are the best working context.

Owen and Carl and Julian would agree.

Did you read their books?

Poetry and pictures on cave walls stand longer in time than logic and reason.

I find those cave images very poetic and powerful.

Those three are not promoting anyone’s prophetic tradition.

You don’t have to work anything out.

Or add anything up.

We will directly interact with ourselves.

The way to do so is not prophetic, it’s Zen in essence

I still think you are napping Dan.

No 99,
I wasn't saying it was Me, just that I have the tee shirt as such, and know it's possible.
As I don't know what I am playing with though, I leave alone.

hobbit

Presence is always before logic.

Dan is clear about his delusion at least.

Dan wrote:Apparently I’m an historical premillennialist.

He’s had to decide to stick to his knowing mind.

Beginning of wisdom right there.

The big setup.

The only one who could claim to be disrupted is a believer.

Anyone with an agenda.

But opposition is the closest friend.

I’m not directly opposed to Dan.

He just picks fights.

I don’t talk about anyone from the past.

I don’t think about the future.

My presence and awareness is an affront to him because he won’t let his mind relax.

I am focused on nothing Dan, you are distracted by history.

I am here and you are all over the place.

I am not using my memory with you.

So I am always in your face.

You represent the lost and fearful.

What’s amazing is that at any point someone can discover themselves.

Millennial movements are lies propagated by delusional talking Monkeys.

Same for aliens some believe are coming to enslave or save us.

Buddha is here.

Luckily he and I aren’t Buddhists.

I only mention him because dan tries to discredit me by association.

What am I saying and claiming?

Nothing.

What position do I have to defend?

None.

We are here.

He was too smart to be killed by the monkeys.

I don’t know why he brings up Buddha as I don’t represent their beliefs.

I represent nothing.

No beliefs are needed to know I’m here.

If I want to claim a reason for the season, now I’m in delusional land.  

Dan can’t even use humor because of his serious mission.

I’m sad for Dan and happy.

I’m sad Dan is wasting his time when he could freely be.

But I’m happy he has the chance to realize his being and that he has the power to be here.

It’s his life...apparently.

All I can do is stare back it him.

I haven’t turned my eyes from him.

Yep, this is happening Grand Pa.

Enjoy your nap.

You are all astonishingly interesting people.

It is a privilege to interact with all of you!

U,

Likewise, I’m sure.


smelly buries his thirty pieces of silver in his garden.  

Has he truly not heard the expression...... the show must go on.....?

As Grant Cameron pointed out..... some folks have to pretend to be managing the magic.  smelly plays the part of the guy standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square.  Someone has to play that part, too.  

Apropos of the three visitors/EBEs.......

We three kings of orient are,
Bearing gifts we travel afar
Field and fountain, moor and mountain,
Following yonder star.
Oh, star of wonder, star of night,
Star of royal beauty bright.
Westward leading, still proceeding,
Guide us with thy perfect light.

Doug Auld could be telling this story, too.  I just don’t want anyone to be kicking themselves, not on my account.  You should visit his website.  He is quite the little story teller......

As the external communication ceases, the internal communication increases.  This is really gonna be funny.  I’m just not sure that everyone will get the joke...... smelly, please don’t tell me that you don’t get the joke, or that you think I don’t get it.  

Doug will be calling from Mexico.  smelly must be thinking..... that chicken little is just too vain for his feathers, too cool for school.  I got it....... if I’m the Antichrist then smelly is the Antijudas.  

So Cosmic consciousness is a drama queen..... get over it, get used to it.  

And, hey, if you pretend to pay me, I’ll pretend to work..... there is another side to that coin, too.  Many coins have two sides..... wowser... that’s what the rabbit knows.  For every great truth, it’s opposite is also a great truth...... I’ll pretend to work, if you pretend to pay me.  

Poor donny...... what’s it like to have to be the last clown.  Well, at least he gets to ride around in big jet...... a real jet man.

The smelly show must go on..... so must the jesus show..... so must the buddha show.......


8:50.........

I’m presently looking at these notes..... via Buddy and Dolan..... https://m.imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ


10:00.......

Ok.  Evidently, my source had been in communication with Wilson for some time.  Only now, with the Dolan release, my source is trying to come clean..... but without even mentioning Dolan.  

There is one minor detail....... a detail that Rick relayed to me, over twenty years ago....... you can’t fly the craft without the critter.  

No one believes this....... that every phenomenon comes to us highly packaged....... highly entangled.  

With normal phenomena, we are totally entangled, too.  Uncorralated simply means...... unentangled..... with us.  

Every phenomenon has to be personal to some person.  

As John W would say, no phenomenon is real..... until it is observed.  


11........

We all pay lip service to the truth...... we just don’t want the truth to get in our face.  We each have our personal protocols for keeping the truth at bay.  We want to keep the truth impersonal....... objective..... lots of luck.  

Every religious sect has its special rituals, scriptures and charismatic protocols to keep things objective....... especially.... especially..... science.  

The whole point of life is to keep the Cosmos at arm’s length.  

smelly’s protocol is solipsism...... to pluck out his left eye..... same thing.  Yes, if your left eye offends you, pluck it out.  All those mystical thinkers, down through the ages, it was just the Eastern form of millenarianism.  

When the sky falls, that’s the end of life as we know it.  

The job of a astronomy, all these years, was Hurculean..... literally.... to keep the sky at arm’s length.  How many billions of dollars has NASA poured down that rabbit hole?  

Everybody reports that foot is in the thick of it, maybe not on the Committee, but is its liaison to DC.  

But, golly, is it ever difficult for folks to connect the very few remaining dots.

We have become so comfortable with the idea of being lost in Space that Space has become our security blanket.  


12:30.........

We would so much rather be lost in space than have to face wrath of God, or, worse yet, the final, fatal embrace of God.

And what do we think we are going to find at the end of the Galactic Rainbow....... what pot of gold lies there that we find so mesmerizing that we can’t think straight?



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Dan: There is one minor detail....... a detail that Rick relayed to me, over twenty years ago....... you can’t fly the craft without the critter.

I believe that would be the case, should such craft exist. At least until we crack the post-quantum (sub-quantum) hacking threshold as proposed by A Valentini many years ago.

Subquantum Information and Computation
Antony Valentini
(Submitted on 11 Mar 2002 (v1), last revised 12 Apr 2002 (this version, v2))
It is argued that immense physical resources - for nonlocal communication, espionage, and exponentially-fast computation - are hidden from us by quantum noise, and that this noise is not fundamental but merely a property of an equilibrium state in which the universe happens to be at the present time. It is suggested that 'non-quantum' or nonequilibrium matter might exist today in the form of relic particles from the early universe. We describe how such matter could be detected and put to practical use. Nonequilibrium matter could be used to send instantaneous signals, to violate the uncertainty principle, to distinguish non-orthogonal quantum states without disturbing them, to eavesdrop on quantum key distribution, and to outpace quantum computation (solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time).

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0203049

P.S. There have been anecdotal accounts, even among intelligence folks (Lynn Buchanan) of being handed the controls of the craft by 'the critters' for a Sunday drive about the neighborhood.

Since remote viewers tend to mix their own mental imagery with external sensory perception I would be highly skeptical!

Again, I have no idea what you mean Dan.

You say silly things.

I’m here and waiting for you grandpa.

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Sure there is, waiting for the illusions to dissipate.

But I had a chat with Grand Pa this morning.

OK, he wants to weave some threads together.

Show us what you got GrandPa!

Ok, I’ve been on the phone.  Here’s a game plan.......

We’re gonna be re-enacters....

We’re starting out by re-enacting elements of the greatest story ever told, and then bringing it up to date.  

We’re starting back in Bethlehem.......

smelly is El Niño...... a rather reluctant El Niño.  

He likes it in his garden of paradise...... he’s not so sure he wants to get crucified back on Earth, thank you very much.  

The rest of us will be filling in, ad libbing, the various parts.  

Aaron and I will start out as two of the three visitors....... EBE1&2, say...... although I’m already jumping ahead, a little bit, aren’t I.  

Aaron and I are trying to entice smelly to volunteer to...... get nailed, as it were.  

We have to convince smelly that it’s all in everyone’s best interest, and it won’t hurt too much.  And then we can join him in his little garden, and pass around the beer mugs....... our little communion, if you will.......

And, as our Muslim friends already know, it was all just an illusion, anyway..... just for show and tell.  



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