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The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by karl 12 Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:01 pm

    "They came up with a table of pictures of all the shapes of UFOs that have ever been recorded -about 50 ...The study of UFOs may reveal some new forms of energy to us,or at least bring us closer to a solution.

    General Vasily Alexeyev ,
    Russian Air Force -Space Communications Centre


    There are some pretty comprehensive charts and links below dealing with different reported UFO/OVNI shapes over the years such as discs, triangles, spheres, boomerangs, pyramids, eggs, diamonds, cones and cylinders- if anyone knows any more info then please post away.



    Chart from the 1968 U.S.  Symposium on UFOs:

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    Link examining reports of :


    Domed saucer

    Oval

    Cigar/Dirigible

    Cylinder

    Flat top

    Double hat

    Conical hat

    Saturn craft

    Orb/Sphere/Egg

    Triangular/Delta

    Chevron/Boomerang

    Diamond

    Teardrop craft

    Winged craft

    Cross craft

    Pyramid craft

    Dumbbell craft

    Rectangular/Square

    Ring craft

    Cone craft

    Box craft

    Bell craft  

    Horseshoe craft

    Split craft

    Link


    Other chart from NASA employee Paul R. Hill's book "Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis":


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    UFO Research of NASA's Paul R. Hill.


    Link:

    Technical overview - different shapes/characteristics



    Chart from Poland documenting different shapes:

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    Characteristics:

    The number of different shapes, sizes, and configurations of claimed UFOs has been large, with descriptions of chevrons, equilateral triangles, spheres, domes, diamonds, shapeless black masses, eggs, and cylinders. Skeptics argue this diversity of shapes, size and configurations points to a socio-psychological explanation. Other researchers argue that the large diversity of UFO shapes points to a possible paraphysical origin. Still others argue that there is a large diversity in the shapes and sizes of human flying craft, reflecting different origins, propulsion systems, and purposes, so such diversity in UFOs is not necessarily unexpected or inexplicable.

    Another argument is that the true underlying shape may, in some cases, be concealed or distorted by the ionization of air around the objects, believed by some researcher advocates, such as NASA engineers Paul Hill and James McCampbell, to be a characteristic of the propulsion system. Air ionization could also partly explain the diversity of colors reported, as different air molecules are excited at different energy levels, as well as the electric, neon-like glow around the objects often reported, similar to what happens with polar auroras. Another view is that the shape may be concealed or distorted by space-time distortions arising from an anti-gravity propulsion system. However, some feel that such speculation is overly premature because the very actuality of UFOs as alien craft is itself problematic.

    Other advocates, arguing for the non-conventional interpretation, reply that the volume of impressive sightings reported by witnesses, from commercial airline pilots to United States presidents, and occasionally captured on film and radar, possesses strong consistency and cannot be explained away simply as mundane phenomena (weather balloons, aircraft, Venus, etc.).
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    Photographs:

    http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufopictures.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQlXjKr0YEU



    Most Common:

    Here are detailed descriptions based on Brad Steiger's analysis of several thousand sightings over the past 40 years:


    1. THE CLASSIC FLYING SAUCER. This is the most common UFO of all -- it's been reported around the world for more than four decades, according to Steiger. "The craft has a metallic saucer-like body ranging in diameter from 10 to 15 feet. An exhaust port on the bottom emits a yellow light that dances like a flame upon takeoff. Bright lights rim the saucer, and a clear circular dome is often seen on the saucer portion."


    2. CONICAL DISK. This UFO resembles a Chinese peasant's large straw hat. It has a flat bottom. The craft is generally reported as being about 200 feet in diameter and 10 to 12 feet high at the peak, with no exterior lights.


    3. FOOTBALL SHAPED. This craft has a thick black body that tapers off at either end. Smaller UFOs have reportedly been seen entering and leaving a bay on its lower surface--so it's often called a "mother ship." Reports have placed the craft's size at up to 80 feet long and 20 feet high.


    4. COIN-LIKE DISK. Shaped like a giant 50-cent piece, this UFO is the type most often reported by military and airline pilots flying at 20,000 to 40,000 feet. Eyewitnesses say the flat edge of the disk often is ringed with red or green lights. The spaceship is incredibly fast, zipping along at speeds of more than 2,500 m.p.h. "The craft has been estimated at 15 to 20 feet in diameter and 2 to 3 feet high."


    5. TOP-SHAPED. Reminiscent of a child's toy top, this craft is fat in the middle and tapered above and below. It's covered with multicolored lights. Powerful jets around its midsection move the UFO in any direction. "Round port-holes often ring the vehicle. The body often is said to be grayish, like a shark's skin."


    6. EGG-SHAPED. This massive vehicle has been reported to be up to 200 feet in length. It has an oval shape like an egg, with no visible portholes or windows, and glows slightly in the dark.


    7. DIAMOND-SHAPED. This craft resembles the top half of a diamond mounted on a flat surface. Its exterior is polished and as dazzling as a mirror in bright sunlight. The UFO usually is about 18 feet across and 8 to 10 feet high. It has no portholes or windows.


    8. BLINDING LIGHT. Typically spotted at night, this UFO doesn't have a definite shape -- it's simply a dazzling orange light. "But it moves methodically, as if guided by some from of intelligence.

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    Post by karl 12 Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:03 pm

    Other charts:

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    COMMONLY REPORTED UFO TYPES

    Note: These drawings are hypothetical constructions, generalized from hundreds of UFO reports. They are intended to indicate basic shapes which have been reported, and are not necessarily completely accurate in every detail. Additional details sometimes reported, such as portholes, projections, body lights, etc., are not portrayed. The general types shown do represent with reasonable accuracy virtually all UFOs which have been reliably described in any detail. Examples of each type appear in the left-hand column.


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    Post by karl 12 Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:04 pm

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    Description: Unidentified Flying Object sightings

    Date: c.1969

    This image is from the collections of The National Archives
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    Taken from the book: 'Flying saucers - Where do they come from?'  by Richard Tambling.


    UFOs come in many shapes and sizes here are just a few of the most commonly reported


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    Post by karl 12 Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:06 pm

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    Lee Speigel on the research conducted by Jacques Vallee:


    Circular ships, vertical aerial cylinders, spheres, disks, wheels in the sky, hat-shaped things, flying pillars or columns and triangular-shaped objects.

    At first glance, you might think those are common, almost daily, descriptions of UFOs reported by eyewitnesses. Well, yes ... sort of. Those are the actual words, found in ancient texts, that characterize unidentified flying objects, spanning biblical accounts through the 1800s.
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    Good article on UFO characteristics


    Shape.

    The shapes are usually simple discs, ellipses, or ovals. There are no wings, fins or engines. This is usually taken as evidence of advanced technology, but it could equally indicate the fact of no technology. In a sample of 180 UFOs, the following shapes appeared:


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    Luminosity
    It is not surprising that artists usually depict UFOs as luminous. They usually are, sometimes intensely so. The sample of 180 UFOs breaks down as follows:


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    UFOs - A Natural History
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    Post by karl 12 Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:07 pm

    Great PDF file on the subject:

    538 SHAPES OF UFOS



    Sourced by 'Sherpa' on another forum, this is also a great collection of UFO witness sketches listed by MUFON-CES Germany (unfortunately link is in German):


    280 Drawings of unidentified flying objects investigated by MUFON-CES


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    Post by pman35 Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:05 am

    Can I be the first to say Karl 12 , holy **** Batman , thats the first detailed posting i've ever read on the topic.


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    Post by karl 12 Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:31 am

    Thanks for the reply Pman and apologies for the delay in response! Openminds have also done a good article below about UFO shapes and there are more images at the link, had never heard of the 3 'landing gear' configuration cases before so will have to look into those -there's also some interesting witness sketches on this page with more info about the specific sightings.

     

    UFO shapes: An examination of global configurations

    With so many different designs of UFO’s being reported all around the world, is there any way that they can be categorized in an orderly manner that makes sense? Why have the shapes of UFO’s changed over the years? Can these different configurations all come from the same extraterrestrial “manufacturing plant”? This article will explore the six main types of UFO’s which have been reported since the beginning of modern day Ufology.


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    Type I: Classic saucer configuration

    Type II: Oversized disc configuration

    Type III: Triangular/Boomerang configuration

    Type IV: Bell/Acorn configuration

    Type V: Landing gear configuration

    Type VI: Wild-card configuration
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    There was also some translation work done on the graphs from the  German MUFON charts (by Sherpa) and there's a relevant one about shapes below.  


    UFO/OVNI Shapes. Verform 

    Which the UFO phenomenon makes so badly estimatable is the multiplicity of the sighted forms. Since 50 years witnesses in all world observed approximately 1,000 different UFO forms. MUFON CES codes uFOs after ten classes:

    1. Balls, balls, round forms
    2. Saturnfoermige of objects
    3. Hemispheres and Kugelkalotten
    4. Oval objects
    5. Cigars, spindles, cylinders
    6. Disks with and without cathedral
    7. Triangles, boomerang, squares, lozenges, lights in triangle formation
    8. Geometrical forms and rays of light without source
    9. Unusual forms
    10. Formations, groups and impossible courses of lights
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    Post by karl 12 Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:25 pm

    Some nice official stamps from Tanzania.


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    [TANZANIA] - UFOs 6 Unidentified Flying Saucers and Text about Roswell Incident of 1947 and UFOs McMinnville 1950 Albuquerque 1963 Gulf Breeze 1988 Madre de Dios 1952 Merlin 1964 Mexico City 1991



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    [TANZANIA] - UFOs 6 Unidentified Flying Saucers and Text about Area 51 and UFOs USA 1968 Trinidad 1958 Belgium 1990 Finland 1970 New Zeeland 1951 Australia 1954



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    [TANZANIA] - UFOs The Mantell Case Jan 7 1948 A Group of F51 Pursued a UFO Captain Mantell Radioed he was Closing on the UFO Seen by Military Farmers and Police The Fighter Disintegrated and Crashed



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    [TANZANIA] - UFOs the Arnold Sighting 1947 Businessman Ken Arnold sights a UFO near Mt Rainier Washington Some say the birth of the UFO hunt

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