by on Oct 6, 2011, 5:51am shmush
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum. I'll also re-post to Bekkum's Board.
http://www.starpod.org/SPECIAL/10122201.htm
CIA UNAUTHORIZED | Spy Games: The Pandolfi-Green-Doty Affair leaked email stream | Source: Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi, CIA
The original email stream forwarded by CIA's Dr. Ron Pandolfi. None of the following material has been approved for release and publication here by PsycheLeaks. The material remains open-source until further instruction from CIA's Publication Review Board.
Authors writing on matters requiring review by the Publications Review Board are welcome to contact the Board for updated information about the process and current review standards either by e-mail (prb@ucia.gov) or telephone (703-613-3070).
09/01/2011 03:45:53 PM -0000
(STARpod.org) -- For the first time, STARpod.org releases the 2006 email stream from CIA, DIA, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence source Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi, concerning the possible use of UFO stories as a cover to conduct espionage within the United States. Not included in this release are the emails from Dr. Kit Green and Rick Doty.
According to the CIA:
Reviewing the writings of former employees is not simply an option for the Agency; nor is it a service offered as a convenience. The Federal courts have approved the process, which stems from the DCI's statutory obligation to protect sources and methods. The courts have ruled, in effect, that prepublication review is the only way to carry out the DCI's statutory mandate consistent with the First Amendment. In addition, prepublication review is essential if the Agency is to uphold the validity of the secrecy agreement CIA staff employees and contractors sign as a condition of employment. Nor is it optional for the individuals who sign a secrecy agreement to seek a review. It is specifically required to protect the sources and methods of collection and analysis they will learn about and which, if revealed, could cost heavily in lives, resources, and continued access to critical national security information. The review requirement is spelled out clearly in the secrecy agreement, in which the signer agrees to submit for review any material that "I contemplate disclosing publicly or that I have actually prepared for public disclosure, either during my employment...or at any time thereafter, prior to discussing it or showing it to anyone who is not authorized to have access.... I further agree that I will not take any steps toward public disclosure until I have received written permission to do so from the Central Intelligence Agency.
[Letter from Dr. Christopher 'Kit' Canfield Green to STARstream Research contributing source Caryn Anscomb, regarding the leaked email stream forwarded by Dr. Pandolfi.]
"Green, Christopher" wrote:
Subject: Troubling voice mail
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:50:41 -0400
From: "Green, Christopher"
To: "caryn anscomb"
I just received a voicemail -- when I saw where it was from I refused to answer the call -- from Dan Smith. Here it is:
"Hello Kit. I spend last evening with Ron. He turned over all the Rick Doty Emails to me. They will be posted soon. Caryn is editing them."
Ron may not have noticed what is in the set of emails. He has been very honest in telling me that from time-to-time (25%) he sometimes includes private material to Dan. And that later, when it is clear that private material was given to Dan by mistake, Dan returns it.
Some time ago, Ron contacted me to discuss some material about a Police Officer in New Mexico. He in the emails, he and I soon switched from his personal to his government email account. I indicated, and he responded affirmatively, that such material was private from me to him, him to me, and me to the person he asked I intercede with. I do not know what the Police Officer's view was -- and he may not care if his emails are made public.
I do. I take assurances of confidentiality seriously, especially to and from Federal Officers, State Officers, and myself.
I hope private emails to and from me are not inadvertently in the set Ron gave to Dan, and that if so you are not part of a plan to publically release them.
You, of course, may do whatever you choose -- this is hardly an international criminal offense.
If, however, any emails that were private from me, or to me, or from the Police Officer to me for Ron -- as Ron requested -- and they relate to what I and the FBI has told me is an official investigation, I will naturally turn the set over to the Justice Department and the New Mexico State Police Internal Affairs office who is evaluating the case for the Justice Department, at the Police Officers' request.
Ron is fully aware of this procedure, as he designed it. Ron and the Police officer have been cooperating with Internal Affairs, and the Justice Department, and have pledges from them of confidentiality. I am not sure, but I believe it is a federal offense, a felony, for a stated member of the Executive or State governments to disclose publically information they have requested as official under guise of confidentiality (Ron and I have that agreement about personal emails between just the two of us, for example), and have furthermore stated is official as part of a federal investigation. I may be wrong. But I am not a Lawyer, so I must do what Ron advises and promises.
I will of course, also copy Ron of whatever of my and his government server-related emails on the investigation are made public. I have been asked to do that by the persons currently evaluating my Security Clearance as part of my routine 10-year review and pending polygraph.
Otherwise, the word SMARMY does obtain. I prefer it not obtain to the above statements I have made, and will be certain to the best of my ability they do not ring hollow. I know what I do not know, and when matters impinge -- as Ron has been clear and certain about -- to relate to federal matters of national security -- I will not be inactive if I even have the slightest suspicion federal or state laws are being broken. I also know that my personal suspicions of possible illegal activity have zero weight here, and so while I am suspicious of certain persons in this mess acting in a disrespectful, and unethical manner -- I will not be the judge and jury and "release" material given in confidence by a suspected perpetrator -- be that perpetrator Dan, Ron, You, Me, or the Police officer. Private to me stays private unless all parties state otherwise.
I do not state otherwise.
I recommend to you, as a friend -- in no way as an "official" recommendation, that to the extent what Dan said on the voicemail is true, and to the extent you may be "editing" personal, private, communications from me, or Ron (especially from his dia.mil server), or the Police Officer -- you send the entire "release" to Ron -- and request that he send you an email from his dia.mil email account stating he is "o.k" with your releasing the material publically.
I will tell you now, if the material includes any emails from me to Ron or return on this matter, you do not have my approval to release them, even if they are edited and my name is removed. That step does not release me, at least, from my ethics.
And, after all -- my request to you, once again, is not official. It is a matter of personal ethics.
kit
[The following emails are those originally forwarded by Ron Pandolfi; they include only those sent by Ron. The replies from Dr. Kit Green and Rick Doty have been redacted due to personal information considered to be confidential.]
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Sat 9/2/2006 2:29 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: RE: PRIVATE: Search For Two DIA Sources
Kit,
I was not with you during the meeting you had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records. The meeting you and I participated in included Barry Hennessey, Col. Weaver, and the CIA CI Director and did not involve any discussion of Rick's polygraph records. So the quote from Ms. Loscowski regarding what I did and the circumstances of the meeting could not have been correct.
More likely the person who claimed to be Ms. Loscowski described what she had read on the Internet concerning the fabricated story that you and I had met with Barry Hennessy to discuss Rick's polygraph records. Therefore the lady who contacted you most likely was not Col. Weaver.
Your expansion of the story of the two DIA employees visiting LANL and being known to others has me concerned.
The names you provided do not correspond to any DIA employees.
There are no people with those names that have TS//SCI clearances.
If the story of the sources/visitors is true, they are falsely representing themselves as DIA employees, possibly to access sensitive facilities and acquire classified information for a foreign service.
I am nearly certain that Rick fabricated this entire story, and that he is Mr. Anonymous, Ms. Loscowski, and the two DIA sources/visitors. If so, Rick may just be having a good time, and we need not be concerned for national security. If not, there may actually be a network of foreign agents penetrating some of our most sensitive facilities under the false flag of a DIA operation. Therefore please be very clear in describing the form of communications you had with Ms. Loscowski (e.g. phone, e-mail, etc.); how you acquired the additional background concerning the DIA sources visitors; and what you know of about the many people who know them.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:06 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: PRIVATE: Search For Two DIA Sources
Kit,
The search for the two sources includes: (1) requesting from DIA/I&W background on what they conducted and discovered; (2) electronic searches of various databases; and (3) personal interviews with the
usual suspects. So far the trail is cold and damp. DIA/I&W conducted only a cursory review of standard locator databases, identified no such individuals, and had no interactions with security.
A complete review of all databases indicates there are no DIA employees with those names. Usual suspects appear unaware of individuals using those names officially or otherwise.
Unless you can acquire additional information from Rick such as electronic copies of the original e-mails reportedly from the DIA sources, I will close the search. Most likely Rick fabricated the information, the identities of the two DIA sources, and the Mr. Anonymous e-mails.
Again I am drawn to the question why would Rick go to so much trouble for no apparent financial return?
Hypotheses include: (1) financial returns to Rick not yet apparent; (2) financial returns to a network within which Rick is a member; or (3) non-financial motivations more difficult to discern.
These are consistent with the original set of hypotheses suggested by COL Weaver.
Any thoughts?
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Sun 9/3/2006 9:48 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: RE: PRIVATE: Search For Two DIA Sources
Kit,
Thanks for the additional information. I am still confused regarding the two DIA sources/visitors. The database I searched cross checks against all cover names.
If the names you provided to the Chief Scientist were neither true nor official cover, then they might just as well have been random names out of the phone book. Unless of course someone has a hard copy list of unofficial cover names. Anyway I'll learn more next week when I meet with him and the DIA CI Director. Regarding my incorrect assumption that Gene was a woman, that was based on you referring to him as a "her" in your e-mail dated 1 September. I guess you just hit an extra key after the "e" in "he".
Concerning your follow-on discussion with Col. Hennessey after I left the room, was the CIA CI Director still present? He was a close friend of Col. Hennessey and leaned on me pretty hard after Col. Hennessey complained.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: Christopher Green
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 18:17
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this
Rick,
I am not interested in whether you are involved in the UFO enigma and/or working for the CIA, DIA, OSI, or other US intelligence agency. What concerns me is whether you are working for a foreign intelligence service. That has been my sole interest in you from when I first heard your name and it has been the sole focus of my interactions with OSI and FBI concerning your behaviors and whereabouts.
Recently Dr. Green relayed to me a claim attributed to you that two DIA employees had identified John Gannon as the source of the SERPO story and Mr. Anonymous.
As I anticipated the two names you provided to Dr. Green are not those of DIA employees.
The most likely case is that you invented these sources to cover your unauthorized access to sensitive facilities including Los Alamos and SANDIA where you may have attempted to access classified information.
I am bringing to your attention this one current issue, but there are several other current issues and many past issues that suggest you could be involved with foreign intelligence services.
I have been clear in my communications with Dan Smith regarding these interests.
I would be glad to publicly dispute any claim that I have raised your name in connection with the UFO enigma and clarify that my only interest in you concerns national security. Let me also be clear that I have only marginal reason to suspect you are involved with a foreign intelligence service, and I would be glad to put this issue to rest if you would agree to cooperate. I am more that certain Dr. Green would be willing to facilitate such cooperation.
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:12 PM
To: 'caryn anscomb'; 'Green, Christopher'; 'Dan Smith'
Subject: RE: FMS?
Kit,
I really appreciate your response. Part of the problem is that Dan imposes a dimensional shift in his reporting of my conversations. Indeed I did raise the issue of you having some form of false memory syndrome and then did a superficial review with some of our mutual friends to reject this hypothesis. As you know, my analytical approach is to include as wide a range of initial hypotheses as possible, eliminate those that can be treated superficially or linearly, and then focus on those that require more complex parallel analyses. Dan shifted the focus from the complex possibilities to the superficial impossibilities. For example it is just as clear that you are not suffering from some sort of false memory syndrome as it is that a delegation of Americans did not visit a distant plant.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: Christopher Green
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:47
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this
Rick,
There is no need for you to communicate further with me unless you agree to cooperate, and even then you should be addressing your e-mails to Dr. Green who agreed to facilitate your cooperation. Please understand you are not being accused of anything. You initiated this investigation when you provided Dr. Green with the names of two people you claimed to be DIA employees. Dr. Green provided me with those names in accord with his normal responsibilities. There is no crime in distributing the names of people who are not DIA employees. Nevertheless it does suggest you remain involved in potentially hostile intelligence activities. One concern is that you may have been fishing for the name of real intelligence officers. Please understand I am not accusing you of anything. I have posted nothing about you to the ATS forum or any other UFO related web sites. My only interest is whether you are working for a foreign intelligence service. In your e-mail you state that you have friends who work for certain intelligence services. Are these foreign services? Have you reported these contacts? Please do not respond to me on these or any other questions. Rather if you would like to cooperate, provide Dr. Green with an adequate answer as to why you provided with the false names and false links to John Gannon and I will gladly close out this issue.
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:30 PM
To: 'caryn anscomb'; Green, Christopher; 'Dan Smith'
Subject: RE: FMS?
All,
I just wanted to let you know that during the past few days I have been involved in several e-mail exchanges with Rick Doty. In those exchanges, Rick has claimed not to have accessed SANDIA, LLNL or sensitive military installations since his retirement from USAF. He also has claimed to have no involvement with UFOs since January 2006, no knowledge of the source of the names of DIA employees linked to SERPO or the identification of John Gannon as Mr. Anonymous. These claims appear to conflict with what most of us generally perceive as reality. Nevertheless I have no strong evidence that counters his claims. I would appreciate photos or other evidence that I could share with Rick that might seem to counter his claims. I certainly want to extend to Rick an opportunity to demonstrate he is not involved with SERPO or UFO stories as he claims. But if true, then who was it that escorted John L. into sensitive military facilities? Since I first heard of Rick Doty there have been perplexing stories of multiple Doty’s. Perhaps his dimensionally shifted twin it the culprit, but I would not know how to differentiate between such otherwise identical Dotys. Any suggestions?
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: 'Christopher Green'
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 21:33
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this
Rick,
I very much appreciate you recommendation that I peruse the ATS forum. It contained excellent background information. Sometime next week I will consult with Dr. Green and attempt to come to closure on a few of the outstanding issues. I will post the public aspects of my findings on the ATS forum, provide you a personal copy if you provide a mailing address, and I will send an official copy to Capt. Pete Kassetas of the New Mexico State Patrol as identified on the ATS forum. I very much appreciate your assistance.
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:36 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: RE: FMS?
Kit,
I certainly don’t want you to have to take the time to relay information that is not needed. Therefore I am tying to keep the focus on just the issue of claims that DIA employees were in communications with Doty concerning the activities of John Gannon or any other personnel involved in classified work. I have independent evidence now that Doty has been using at least three separate e-mail accounts and false identities and that at least one of his objectives has been to elicit information concerning classified activities at sensitive facilities. Most likely he is just a kook, but he may be a dangerous kook. Your observations that he is intelligent, dedicated, hard working, and effective in his police work has me particularly worried. In his “ufo” work he appears very unsophisticated, sloppy, and lazy. That suggests his focus may not be on the UFO work, but rather on something we have yet to identify. I suspect he will try and contact you early next week. If he does, most likely he will ramble on about his lack of involvement with UFOs. Please remind him that the only way you or I can help him at this stage is if he explains how he obtained the names, to whom he provided them, and what he hoped to learn.
Ron
[The following emails are those originally sent to me by Ron Pandolfi requesting "damage control" over articles published by STARstream Research based upon the above email stream (and numerous messages not included here, to Ron Pandolfi from Rick Doty and Kit Green.]
From Ronald Pandolfi Sat Feb 24 17:30:54 2007
Gary,
None of the e-mails I provided to Dan involved government activities. They involved personal communications between me, Dan, Kit, and Rick concerning fabricated e-mail accounts used to disseminate false documents about UFOs, SERPO, etc. for which government (intelligence) officials such as John Gannon were falsely implicated. Kit had brought this to my attention as a private matter requesting my assistance in tracking down the perpetrators. All signs indicated Doty was involved directly or indirectly. From the beginning I made it clear to Doty that I was not interested in any aspects of the subjects listed above, only the names of those who were involved in fabricating and disseminating the false documents, and that any information he provided concerning these documents I would publicly release via realityuncovered.com. I provided the documents to Dan with the understanding that he would provide them to Ryan Dube as earlier agreed. Kit subsequently reviewed the documents and requested that Dan not release them because doing so might hinder his personal investigations. Form the start this was a personal activity conducted at the request of an old friend and mentor, Kit Green, to protect another old friend and mentor, John Gannon from being falsely implicated in this nonsense. In the end it generated no conclusive findings. That said it certainly is possible that some of these e-mails have been modified and/or others fabricated. That is why I cannot respond to your vague questions more definitively.
Ron
From Ronald Pandolfi Fri Feb 23 21:14:48 2007
Gary,
In response to your primary question, I did not identify Caryn as MI-6 nor did I request that information be passed to Rick Doty. This was most likely fabricated by Dan Smith based on a statement reportedly from Jack Sarfatti that he (Jack) had seen Caryn at a facility in London frequented by MI-6 officers. I did mention to Kit Green that I thought some of her (Caryn’s) questions were inappropriate. By that I meant she asked some questions about our real work in addition to the UFO soap opera. I never asked that any information be passed to Rick Doty.
In response to your sub question specific to Rick Doty, during the past several years Rick appears to have fabricated many documents and distributed them via fabricated e-mail addresses that implicate senior government (intelligence) persons as the sources. Most often this information comes to my attention via Kit Green who was my mentor for several years and remains a close friend and colleague. If Dan or Caryn provided you with the e-mails I sent to Rick Doty, it should be clear that I repeatedly emphasized I have absolutely no interest in UFOs, SERPO, or any other issues of interest to Rick Doty or Dan Smith. My only concern was with indications that Rick had assumed the names of government officials using forged e-mail accounts to distribute his fabricated stories. In particular, there were implications that Rick had created an e-mail address appearing to originate from John Gannon, another of my former mentors. This caused Kit Green to confront Mr. Gannon with the documents in a manner that must have been both embarrassing and humorous, but also a time consuming burden.
Rather than focusing immediately on the issue of concern, I first addressed what I suspected was false information, namely that Rick had informed Kit Green that he (Rick) had been meeting with current government (intelligence) officials who had provided him (Rick) with classified information. This clearly was not true, but it at least enabled me to give the “impression” that it was an “official” investigation. In fact it was purely a personal issue to protect John Gannon and other government officials from being falsely implicated in the sordid SERPO saga. It was after Rick Doty threatened to have the New Mexico State Police Association harass me that I took “strong arm” tactics which included contacting Ryan Dube who had posted a note on realityuncovered.com discussing similar threats by Rick Doty and suggested responses. After I learned via Kit Green that Rick had a very ill relative, I terminated the interaction with a request the he (Rick) cease distributing fake documents implicating government (intelligence) officials in his SERPO or other fabricated stories. For a time at least is seems Rick complied with this request. I then released to Dan to provide Ryan Dube with some of the e-mails which I thought might be of some use in their research as a way of saying “thanks” for the assistance Ryan provided me in dealing with Rick’s threats. Keep in mind that my concern was not that Rick had fabricated documents but that he had distributed them in ways that caused them to appear to have originated from government (intelligence) officials.
In response to your sub question regarding Dan’s threat to land a plane on the White House lawn, I interpreted his statement as a joke and took no action. My personal view is that Dan is insane but not dangerous.
I would be glad to assist in your efforts to “uncover the man behind the curtain.” Please retract your article and remove my name from your web page. Although a great deal of unconfirmed and largely false information is available about me over the Internet, it is best to minimize this exposure. Your actions in adding to the exposure were not helpful and could me at risk in conducting my real work.
In the future, please ask questions as they arise. It is difficult for me to answer time-late questions accurately and completely. Also please keep in mind that I seldom attempt to publicly correct false information Dan provides via his blog or other venues. Dan is insane, but he also is a good friend. Therefore I tend to let him enjoy his delusional meanderings during which he occasionally has moments of inspirational clarity which I appreciate. I will privately correct false information.
Where my memory is incorrect or incomplete, Kit Green can fill in as he participated in all of my communications with Rick Doty. Please do not include others in our communications or distribute any information from me without first removing my name.
Sincerely,
Ron
From Ronald Pandolfi Thu Mar 1 16:54:54 2007
Thanks for taking the time to implement damage control. Below are some suggested changes. Kit may have additional suggestions. Ron
“In the end it generated no conclusive findings. That said it certainly is possible that some of these e-mails have been modified and/or others fabricated. That is why I cannot respond to your vague questions more definitively.”
Please be clear the e-mails referred to above are those from the researchers (me, Kit, Dan, etc.). As currently stated your sentence might be interpreted as referring to the SERPO e-mails. I suggest you delete the second sentence. It is out of context without inclusion of your questions which I referred to as vague. You might simply state that some excerpts form the e-mails attributed to the researchers might have been modified and others might have been fabricated.
According to the SIO, "Rather than focusing immediately on the issue of concern ... [officials] addressed ... suspected ... false information ... [a former USAF counterintelligence officer] had been meeting with current government (intelligence) officials who had provided him with classified information. This clearly was not true, but it at least enabled [the government officials] ... to give the "impression" that it was an "official" investigation. In fact it was purely a personal issue to protect ... other government officials from being falsely implicated in the sordid SERPO saga ... "
Please delete this entire paragraph. I can see you understand the importance of not revealing sources. It is even more important not to reveal methods as these potentially can be applied to multiple sources.
I didn't see this anywhere on the forum. I'll also re-post to Bekkum's Board.
http://www.starpod.org/SPECIAL/10122201.htm
CIA UNAUTHORIZED | Spy Games: The Pandolfi-Green-Doty Affair leaked email stream | Source: Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi, CIA
The original email stream forwarded by CIA's Dr. Ron Pandolfi. None of the following material has been approved for release and publication here by PsycheLeaks. The material remains open-source until further instruction from CIA's Publication Review Board.
Authors writing on matters requiring review by the Publications Review Board are welcome to contact the Board for updated information about the process and current review standards either by e-mail (prb@ucia.gov) or telephone (703-613-3070).
09/01/2011 03:45:53 PM -0000
(STARpod.org) -- For the first time, STARpod.org releases the 2006 email stream from CIA, DIA, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence source Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi, concerning the possible use of UFO stories as a cover to conduct espionage within the United States. Not included in this release are the emails from Dr. Kit Green and Rick Doty.
According to the CIA:
Reviewing the writings of former employees is not simply an option for the Agency; nor is it a service offered as a convenience. The Federal courts have approved the process, which stems from the DCI's statutory obligation to protect sources and methods. The courts have ruled, in effect, that prepublication review is the only way to carry out the DCI's statutory mandate consistent with the First Amendment. In addition, prepublication review is essential if the Agency is to uphold the validity of the secrecy agreement CIA staff employees and contractors sign as a condition of employment. Nor is it optional for the individuals who sign a secrecy agreement to seek a review. It is specifically required to protect the sources and methods of collection and analysis they will learn about and which, if revealed, could cost heavily in lives, resources, and continued access to critical national security information. The review requirement is spelled out clearly in the secrecy agreement, in which the signer agrees to submit for review any material that "I contemplate disclosing publicly or that I have actually prepared for public disclosure, either during my employment...or at any time thereafter, prior to discussing it or showing it to anyone who is not authorized to have access.... I further agree that I will not take any steps toward public disclosure until I have received written permission to do so from the Central Intelligence Agency.
[Letter from Dr. Christopher 'Kit' Canfield Green to STARstream Research contributing source Caryn Anscomb, regarding the leaked email stream forwarded by Dr. Pandolfi.]
"Green, Christopher"
Subject: Troubling voice mail
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:50:41 -0400
From: "Green, Christopher"
To: "caryn anscomb"
I just received a voicemail -- when I saw where it was from I refused to answer the call -- from Dan Smith. Here it is:
"Hello Kit. I spend last evening with Ron. He turned over all the Rick Doty Emails to me. They will be posted soon. Caryn is editing them."
Ron may not have noticed what is in the set of emails. He has been very honest in telling me that from time-to-time (25%) he sometimes includes private material to Dan. And that later, when it is clear that private material was given to Dan by mistake, Dan returns it.
Some time ago, Ron contacted me to discuss some material about a Police Officer in New Mexico. He in the emails, he and I soon switched from his personal to his government email account. I indicated, and he responded affirmatively, that such material was private from me to him, him to me, and me to the person he asked I intercede with. I do not know what the Police Officer's view was -- and he may not care if his emails are made public.
I do. I take assurances of confidentiality seriously, especially to and from Federal Officers, State Officers, and myself.
I hope private emails to and from me are not inadvertently in the set Ron gave to Dan, and that if so you are not part of a plan to publically release them.
You, of course, may do whatever you choose -- this is hardly an international criminal offense.
If, however, any emails that were private from me, or to me, or from the Police Officer to me for Ron -- as Ron requested -- and they relate to what I and the FBI has told me is an official investigation, I will naturally turn the set over to the Justice Department and the New Mexico State Police Internal Affairs office who is evaluating the case for the Justice Department, at the Police Officers' request.
Ron is fully aware of this procedure, as he designed it. Ron and the Police officer have been cooperating with Internal Affairs, and the Justice Department, and have pledges from them of confidentiality. I am not sure, but I believe it is a federal offense, a felony, for a stated member of the Executive or State governments to disclose publically information they have requested as official under guise of confidentiality (Ron and I have that agreement about personal emails between just the two of us, for example), and have furthermore stated is official as part of a federal investigation. I may be wrong. But I am not a Lawyer, so I must do what Ron advises and promises.
I will of course, also copy Ron of whatever of my and his government server-related emails on the investigation are made public. I have been asked to do that by the persons currently evaluating my Security Clearance as part of my routine 10-year review and pending polygraph.
Otherwise, the word SMARMY does obtain. I prefer it not obtain to the above statements I have made, and will be certain to the best of my ability they do not ring hollow. I know what I do not know, and when matters impinge -- as Ron has been clear and certain about -- to relate to federal matters of national security -- I will not be inactive if I even have the slightest suspicion federal or state laws are being broken. I also know that my personal suspicions of possible illegal activity have zero weight here, and so while I am suspicious of certain persons in this mess acting in a disrespectful, and unethical manner -- I will not be the judge and jury and "release" material given in confidence by a suspected perpetrator -- be that perpetrator Dan, Ron, You, Me, or the Police officer. Private to me stays private unless all parties state otherwise.
I do not state otherwise.
I recommend to you, as a friend -- in no way as an "official" recommendation, that to the extent what Dan said on the voicemail is true, and to the extent you may be "editing" personal, private, communications from me, or Ron (especially from his dia.mil server), or the Police Officer -- you send the entire "release" to Ron -- and request that he send you an email from his dia.mil email account stating he is "o.k" with your releasing the material publically.
I will tell you now, if the material includes any emails from me to Ron or return on this matter, you do not have my approval to release them, even if they are edited and my name is removed. That step does not release me, at least, from my ethics.
And, after all -- my request to you, once again, is not official. It is a matter of personal ethics.
kit
[The following emails are those originally forwarded by Ron Pandolfi; they include only those sent by Ron. The replies from Dr. Kit Green and Rick Doty have been redacted due to personal information considered to be confidential.]
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Sat 9/2/2006 2:29 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: RE: PRIVATE: Search For Two DIA Sources
Kit,
I was not with you during the meeting you had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records. The meeting you and I participated in included Barry Hennessey, Col. Weaver, and the CIA CI Director and did not involve any discussion of Rick's polygraph records. So the quote from Ms. Loscowski regarding what I did and the circumstances of the meeting could not have been correct.
More likely the person who claimed to be Ms. Loscowski described what she had read on the Internet concerning the fabricated story that you and I had met with Barry Hennessy to discuss Rick's polygraph records. Therefore the lady who contacted you most likely was not Col. Weaver.
Your expansion of the story of the two DIA employees visiting LANL and being known to others has me concerned.
The names you provided do not correspond to any DIA employees.
There are no people with those names that have TS//SCI clearances.
If the story of the sources/visitors is true, they are falsely representing themselves as DIA employees, possibly to access sensitive facilities and acquire classified information for a foreign service.
I am nearly certain that Rick fabricated this entire story, and that he is Mr. Anonymous, Ms. Loscowski, and the two DIA sources/visitors. If so, Rick may just be having a good time, and we need not be concerned for national security. If not, there may actually be a network of foreign agents penetrating some of our most sensitive facilities under the false flag of a DIA operation. Therefore please be very clear in describing the form of communications you had with Ms. Loscowski (e.g. phone, e-mail, etc.); how you acquired the additional background concerning the DIA sources visitors; and what you know of about the many people who know them.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:06 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: PRIVATE: Search For Two DIA Sources
Kit,
The search for the two sources includes: (1) requesting from DIA/I&W background on what they conducted and discovered; (2) electronic searches of various databases; and (3) personal interviews with the
usual suspects. So far the trail is cold and damp. DIA/I&W conducted only a cursory review of standard locator databases, identified no such individuals, and had no interactions with security.
A complete review of all databases indicates there are no DIA employees with those names. Usual suspects appear unaware of individuals using those names officially or otherwise.
Unless you can acquire additional information from Rick such as electronic copies of the original e-mails reportedly from the DIA sources, I will close the search. Most likely Rick fabricated the information, the identities of the two DIA sources, and the Mr. Anonymous e-mails.
Again I am drawn to the question why would Rick go to so much trouble for no apparent financial return?
Hypotheses include: (1) financial returns to Rick not yet apparent; (2) financial returns to a network within which Rick is a member; or (3) non-financial motivations more difficult to discern.
These are consistent with the original set of hypotheses suggested by COL Weaver.
Any thoughts?
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Sun 9/3/2006 9:48 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: RE: PRIVATE: Search For Two DIA Sources
Kit,
Thanks for the additional information. I am still confused regarding the two DIA sources/visitors. The database I searched cross checks against all cover names.
If the names you provided to the Chief Scientist were neither true nor official cover, then they might just as well have been random names out of the phone book. Unless of course someone has a hard copy list of unofficial cover names. Anyway I'll learn more next week when I meet with him and the DIA CI Director. Regarding my incorrect assumption that Gene was a woman, that was based on you referring to him as a "her" in your e-mail dated 1 September. I guess you just hit an extra key after the "e" in "he".
Concerning your follow-on discussion with Col. Hennessey after I left the room, was the CIA CI Director still present? He was a close friend of Col. Hennessey and leaned on me pretty hard after Col. Hennessey complained.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: Christopher Green
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 18:17
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this
Rick,
I am not interested in whether you are involved in the UFO enigma and/or working for the CIA, DIA, OSI, or other US intelligence agency. What concerns me is whether you are working for a foreign intelligence service. That has been my sole interest in you from when I first heard your name and it has been the sole focus of my interactions with OSI and FBI concerning your behaviors and whereabouts.
Recently Dr. Green relayed to me a claim attributed to you that two DIA employees had identified John Gannon as the source of the SERPO story and Mr. Anonymous.
As I anticipated the two names you provided to Dr. Green are not those of DIA employees.
The most likely case is that you invented these sources to cover your unauthorized access to sensitive facilities including Los Alamos and SANDIA where you may have attempted to access classified information.
I am bringing to your attention this one current issue, but there are several other current issues and many past issues that suggest you could be involved with foreign intelligence services.
I have been clear in my communications with Dan Smith regarding these interests.
I would be glad to publicly dispute any claim that I have raised your name in connection with the UFO enigma and clarify that my only interest in you concerns national security. Let me also be clear that I have only marginal reason to suspect you are involved with a foreign intelligence service, and I would be glad to put this issue to rest if you would agree to cooperate. I am more that certain Dr. Green would be willing to facilitate such cooperation.
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:12 PM
To: 'caryn anscomb'; 'Green, Christopher'; 'Dan Smith'
Subject: RE: FMS?
Kit,
I really appreciate your response. Part of the problem is that Dan imposes a dimensional shift in his reporting of my conversations. Indeed I did raise the issue of you having some form of false memory syndrome and then did a superficial review with some of our mutual friends to reject this hypothesis. As you know, my analytical approach is to include as wide a range of initial hypotheses as possible, eliminate those that can be treated superficially or linearly, and then focus on those that require more complex parallel analyses. Dan shifted the focus from the complex possibilities to the superficial impossibilities. For example it is just as clear that you are not suffering from some sort of false memory syndrome as it is that a delegation of Americans did not visit a distant plant.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: Christopher Green
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:47
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this
Rick,
There is no need for you to communicate further with me unless you agree to cooperate, and even then you should be addressing your e-mails to Dr. Green who agreed to facilitate your cooperation. Please understand you are not being accused of anything. You initiated this investigation when you provided Dr. Green with the names of two people you claimed to be DIA employees. Dr. Green provided me with those names in accord with his normal responsibilities. There is no crime in distributing the names of people who are not DIA employees. Nevertheless it does suggest you remain involved in potentially hostile intelligence activities. One concern is that you may have been fishing for the name of real intelligence officers. Please understand I am not accusing you of anything. I have posted nothing about you to the ATS forum or any other UFO related web sites. My only interest is whether you are working for a foreign intelligence service. In your e-mail you state that you have friends who work for certain intelligence services. Are these foreign services? Have you reported these contacts? Please do not respond to me on these or any other questions. Rather if you would like to cooperate, provide Dr. Green with an adequate answer as to why you provided with the false names and false links to John Gannon and I will gladly close out this issue.
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:30 PM
To: 'caryn anscomb'; Green, Christopher; 'Dan Smith'
Subject: RE: FMS?
All,
I just wanted to let you know that during the past few days I have been involved in several e-mail exchanges with Rick Doty. In those exchanges, Rick has claimed not to have accessed SANDIA, LLNL or sensitive military installations since his retirement from USAF. He also has claimed to have no involvement with UFOs since January 2006, no knowledge of the source of the names of DIA employees linked to SERPO or the identification of John Gannon as Mr. Anonymous. These claims appear to conflict with what most of us generally perceive as reality. Nevertheless I have no strong evidence that counters his claims. I would appreciate photos or other evidence that I could share with Rick that might seem to counter his claims. I certainly want to extend to Rick an opportunity to demonstrate he is not involved with SERPO or UFO stories as he claims. But if true, then who was it that escorted John L. into sensitive military facilities? Since I first heard of Rick Doty there have been perplexing stories of multiple Doty’s. Perhaps his dimensionally shifted twin it the culprit, but I would not know how to differentiate between such otherwise identical Dotys. Any suggestions?
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Pandolfi
To: 'RICK DOTY'
Cc: 'Christopher Green'
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 21:33
Subject: RE: Keep me out of this
Rick,
I very much appreciate you recommendation that I peruse the ATS forum. It contained excellent background information. Sometime next week I will consult with Dr. Green and attempt to come to closure on a few of the outstanding issues. I will post the public aspects of my findings on the ATS forum, provide you a personal copy if you provide a mailing address, and I will send an official copy to Capt. Pete Kassetas of the New Mexico State Patrol as identified on the ATS forum. I very much appreciate your assistance.
Ron
From: Ronald Pandolfi [mailto:rspandolfi@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:36 PM
To: Green, Christopher
Subject: RE: FMS?
Kit,
I certainly don’t want you to have to take the time to relay information that is not needed. Therefore I am tying to keep the focus on just the issue of claims that DIA employees were in communications with Doty concerning the activities of John Gannon or any other personnel involved in classified work. I have independent evidence now that Doty has been using at least three separate e-mail accounts and false identities and that at least one of his objectives has been to elicit information concerning classified activities at sensitive facilities. Most likely he is just a kook, but he may be a dangerous kook. Your observations that he is intelligent, dedicated, hard working, and effective in his police work has me particularly worried. In his “ufo” work he appears very unsophisticated, sloppy, and lazy. That suggests his focus may not be on the UFO work, but rather on something we have yet to identify. I suspect he will try and contact you early next week. If he does, most likely he will ramble on about his lack of involvement with UFOs. Please remind him that the only way you or I can help him at this stage is if he explains how he obtained the names, to whom he provided them, and what he hoped to learn.
Ron
[The following emails are those originally sent to me by Ron Pandolfi requesting "damage control" over articles published by STARstream Research based upon the above email stream (and numerous messages not included here, to Ron Pandolfi from Rick Doty and Kit Green.]
From Ronald Pandolfi Sat Feb 24 17:30:54 2007
Gary,
None of the e-mails I provided to Dan involved government activities. They involved personal communications between me, Dan, Kit, and Rick concerning fabricated e-mail accounts used to disseminate false documents about UFOs, SERPO, etc. for which government (intelligence) officials such as John Gannon were falsely implicated. Kit had brought this to my attention as a private matter requesting my assistance in tracking down the perpetrators. All signs indicated Doty was involved directly or indirectly. From the beginning I made it clear to Doty that I was not interested in any aspects of the subjects listed above, only the names of those who were involved in fabricating and disseminating the false documents, and that any information he provided concerning these documents I would publicly release via realityuncovered.com. I provided the documents to Dan with the understanding that he would provide them to Ryan Dube as earlier agreed. Kit subsequently reviewed the documents and requested that Dan not release them because doing so might hinder his personal investigations. Form the start this was a personal activity conducted at the request of an old friend and mentor, Kit Green, to protect another old friend and mentor, John Gannon from being falsely implicated in this nonsense. In the end it generated no conclusive findings. That said it certainly is possible that some of these e-mails have been modified and/or others fabricated. That is why I cannot respond to your vague questions more definitively.
Ron
From Ronald Pandolfi Fri Feb 23 21:14:48 2007
Gary,
In response to your primary question, I did not identify Caryn as MI-6 nor did I request that information be passed to Rick Doty. This was most likely fabricated by Dan Smith based on a statement reportedly from Jack Sarfatti that he (Jack) had seen Caryn at a facility in London frequented by MI-6 officers. I did mention to Kit Green that I thought some of her (Caryn’s) questions were inappropriate. By that I meant she asked some questions about our real work in addition to the UFO soap opera. I never asked that any information be passed to Rick Doty.
In response to your sub question specific to Rick Doty, during the past several years Rick appears to have fabricated many documents and distributed them via fabricated e-mail addresses that implicate senior government (intelligence) persons as the sources. Most often this information comes to my attention via Kit Green who was my mentor for several years and remains a close friend and colleague. If Dan or Caryn provided you with the e-mails I sent to Rick Doty, it should be clear that I repeatedly emphasized I have absolutely no interest in UFOs, SERPO, or any other issues of interest to Rick Doty or Dan Smith. My only concern was with indications that Rick had assumed the names of government officials using forged e-mail accounts to distribute his fabricated stories. In particular, there were implications that Rick had created an e-mail address appearing to originate from John Gannon, another of my former mentors. This caused Kit Green to confront Mr. Gannon with the documents in a manner that must have been both embarrassing and humorous, but also a time consuming burden.
Rather than focusing immediately on the issue of concern, I first addressed what I suspected was false information, namely that Rick had informed Kit Green that he (Rick) had been meeting with current government (intelligence) officials who had provided him (Rick) with classified information. This clearly was not true, but it at least enabled me to give the “impression” that it was an “official” investigation. In fact it was purely a personal issue to protect John Gannon and other government officials from being falsely implicated in the sordid SERPO saga. It was after Rick Doty threatened to have the New Mexico State Police Association harass me that I took “strong arm” tactics which included contacting Ryan Dube who had posted a note on realityuncovered.com discussing similar threats by Rick Doty and suggested responses. After I learned via Kit Green that Rick had a very ill relative, I terminated the interaction with a request the he (Rick) cease distributing fake documents implicating government (intelligence) officials in his SERPO or other fabricated stories. For a time at least is seems Rick complied with this request. I then released to Dan to provide Ryan Dube with some of the e-mails which I thought might be of some use in their research as a way of saying “thanks” for the assistance Ryan provided me in dealing with Rick’s threats. Keep in mind that my concern was not that Rick had fabricated documents but that he had distributed them in ways that caused them to appear to have originated from government (intelligence) officials.
In response to your sub question regarding Dan’s threat to land a plane on the White House lawn, I interpreted his statement as a joke and took no action. My personal view is that Dan is insane but not dangerous.
I would be glad to assist in your efforts to “uncover the man behind the curtain.” Please retract your article and remove my name from your web page. Although a great deal of unconfirmed and largely false information is available about me over the Internet, it is best to minimize this exposure. Your actions in adding to the exposure were not helpful and could me at risk in conducting my real work.
In the future, please ask questions as they arise. It is difficult for me to answer time-late questions accurately and completely. Also please keep in mind that I seldom attempt to publicly correct false information Dan provides via his blog or other venues. Dan is insane, but he also is a good friend. Therefore I tend to let him enjoy his delusional meanderings during which he occasionally has moments of inspirational clarity which I appreciate. I will privately correct false information.
Where my memory is incorrect or incomplete, Kit Green can fill in as he participated in all of my communications with Rick Doty. Please do not include others in our communications or distribute any information from me without first removing my name.
Sincerely,
Ron
From Ronald Pandolfi Thu Mar 1 16:54:54 2007
Thanks for taking the time to implement damage control. Below are some suggested changes. Kit may have additional suggestions. Ron
“In the end it generated no conclusive findings. That said it certainly is possible that some of these e-mails have been modified and/or others fabricated. That is why I cannot respond to your vague questions more definitively.”
Please be clear the e-mails referred to above are those from the researchers (me, Kit, Dan, etc.). As currently stated your sentence might be interpreted as referring to the SERPO e-mails. I suggest you delete the second sentence. It is out of context without inclusion of your questions which I referred to as vague. You might simply state that some excerpts form the e-mails attributed to the researchers might have been modified and others might have been fabricated.
According to the SIO, "Rather than focusing immediately on the issue of concern ... [officials] addressed ... suspected ... false information ... [a former USAF counterintelligence officer] had been meeting with current government (intelligence) officials who had provided him with classified information. This clearly was not true, but it at least enabled [the government officials] ... to give the "impression" that it was an "official" investigation. In fact it was purely a personal issue to protect ... other government officials from being falsely implicated in the sordid SERPO saga ... "
Please delete this entire paragraph. I can see you understand the importance of not revealing sources. It is even more important not to reveal methods as these potentially can be applied to multiple sources.
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