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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:04 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    It looks like we’re running up,against the 40 page allotment from the last thread......

    And I’m still with Tulsi, unless there is a better suggestion......
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    Post by 99 Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:24 pm

    So this guy, Pepe Le Pew La Parl likes to stalk men too? Either he's fluid or confused but one thing we're certain of, he's creeeeeeepy!

    Let's hope he doesn't own an automatic.
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    Post by dan Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:28 pm

    Come on, 99,

    Can’t you read?
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    Post by 99 Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:31 pm

    I have no idea who this guy is but I read your post on him and you certainly didn't portray him in the most positive light. In fact, far from it. Keep him out of here PLEASE!!


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    Post by dan Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:37 pm

    For once, 99,

    Try not to be absolutely dumb.  

    Go back to the post you are trying to refer to, and read it carefully.  

    Pretend that you’re not totally dyslexic.

    And please stop always just shooting from the hip.
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    Post by 99 Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:39 pm

    Let me tell you something....... my source #2 is Bill LaParl.  


    I was on the phone with him, yesterday, for 97 minutes.  He was mostly just spouting racism.  I let him spout on..... and on.  


    There seemed to be no bottom to the cesspool of his hatred.  And this was, by no means, the first time he had plumbed those depths. ~ dan

    Above is what you  said about him.

    You know that I'm already watched by "someone" and the last part of that same post was interesting... 
    So You, Cy and Smelly are being watched too? Just like I am? And by whom.
    Just connecting the dots Dan.

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    I'm prejudiced toward bigots and misogynists. As far as I'm concerned, this French guy is a Pepe Le Pew.


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    Post by dan Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:42 pm

    Correct,

    So where is Pepe Le Pew coming from?

    Give us a break, please......
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    Post by 99 Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:57 pm

    Shame... shame on you Dan.
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Mass shootings and misogyny: The violent ideology we can't ignore
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/06/shooting-ohio-dayton-el-paso-texas-shooter-gilroy-california/1924532001/


    In the past week, three separate mass shootings have led to national discussions about racism, xenophobia and white supremacy. The other violent ideology animating these attacks has gotten less attention: misogyny. 

    The president said Monday "our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy” and vowed the country would respond with "urgent resolve" to the recent tragedies. But experts say sexism and toxic masculinity must also be part of any conversation about America's mass shootings. Gun violence, after all, is disproportionately committed by men, data shows, and misogyny can be a precursor to other forms of extremism. 

    According to statements from authorities and media reports from people who knew the alleged gunmen, the three mass shooters in Dayton, Ohio; El Paso, Texas; and Gilroy, California, either explicitly expressed hatred for women or embraced forms of extremism connected to a disdain for them.

    As it stands now, it's clear that our gov't is not going to do anything  to help prevent mass shootings so the only recourse is for every citizen out there to purchase a gun (and maybe even semi-automatics) to protect themselves and their families from these monsters who are responsible for these mass shootings. Teachers should have a semi-automatic within reach in their classrooms.

    If the gov't won't protect us, we have to protect ourselves. Simple as that.

    It's way too late for gun control because by now, all of the loons already own one. And besides that, real gun control is not going to happen anyway. By now, most of us know that.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:05 am

    Poor Dan and his little Motley Crue.

    He only has a smelly goat and other freaks to talk to.

    The REAL community doesn't like us.

    Well, what if they all missed it Wink

    99, once or twice I have been sure they were letting me know.

    I hung my ass way out here.

    Fuck it.

    I like to have fun.

    I like games.

    It’s more fun than nothing.

    Fuck nothing.

    I don’t hurt people, not cause it makes me good, cause I don’t like to hurt people.

    I have faith in the golden rule, my poppy seed of faith.

    So 99, maybe Dan is fucking with us.

    He spins a tale.

    Maybe I work for someone too Wink

    He might have horns.

    Bahahahaha

    Much of Dan’s babbling is hearsay and speculation.

    That’s why it’s easy to bypass Dan.

    He is very deniable.

    I’m pretty sure he believes Ron on some level.

    I hope Dan isn’t a creep.

    He’s harmless I guess but one must stay skeptical of what is sensed.

    He has no real evidence.

    We demand evidence damn it!

    Think it’s an accident Doty is on http://www.openminds.tv/mirage-men-movie/26515 openminds. Not very subtle guys.

    He looks kinda flaky to me. Good job, they drive some poor guy to clinical paranoia.

    The core story cracked Dan.

    I’m still pretty sure these stories and their reactions are studied.

    I certainly implicated my self as one who connected psychedelic experience to the phenomena.

    I seek nothing, so I can just play along to anything.

    I find it all very amusing.

    It slowly sucks you in, American Cosmic girl laid it out. You can’t get away. Where you gonna go? It’s all controlled and locked down I can imagine.

    So who knows what Dan knows?

    Hey, I can relate to the old kook.

    Something happened to him and he dropped out and tuned in.

    Could all be an act or delusion.

    You have to keep everyone out of your head.

    Especially that guy.

    His head may be filled with mind parasites Wink

    He wrote and wrote.

    I understand that drive.

    I understand what it’s like to have a flaming pen in your hands.

    We are kindred maybe in our psychosis Wink

    We make the world up as we go.

    But Dan, watch who you listen to.

    The world is filled with liars.

    Filled with mirages.

    My friend, I have never lied to you or exaggerated.

    And I never will.

    I have to spend some time now listening to The Good People.

    You jaded bastards out there, this is kinda crazy as a babe in the woods, but Dan is right, you can only go half way into the woods.

    I assume already what I see is just an appearance, but the dance is real. I am not attached to idols.

    I don’t profane myself with ignorance or stupid fools.

    I am a pure fool is all.

    https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsifal

    Godzilla!

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    Post by dan Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:32 am

    Yeah, Eric and me,

    We did chew the fat.......

    I suspect there are a few others.......

    But Eric, he does come out of the woodwork.  

    We did go half way. Not sure if we got back out of the rabbit hole or not.  

    We mainly just have to contend with the sounds of silence..... the sound of our own wheels.......
    And the people bowed and prayed
    To the neon god they made
    And the sign flashed out its warning
    In the words that it was forming
    And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
    And tenement halls"
    And whispered in the sounds of silence
    We did speak of Voltaire and Leibniz...... two ships passing in the night......

    Mostly it was about the one mind.

    Do we really suppose there can be two?  
    This is the view that buddha nature is "mind's luminous ultimate nature or nondual wisdom, which is the basis of everything in samsara and nirvana.

    I was sent forth from the power,
    and I have come to those who reflect upon me,
    and I have been found among those who seek after me.
    Look upon me, you who reflect upon me,
    and you hearers, hear me.
    You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
    And do not banish me from your sight.
    And do not make your voice hate me, nor your hearing.
    Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard!
    Do not be ignorant of me.
    ...... or something like that.....

    I didn’t get to tell Eric about my third and last meeting with Chris S.......

    It was attended by Ron.  As per protocol, it could only take place in the cafeteria.  It was only about wildlife trafficking.

    As we got up to go, I said to Chris that I was sorry we didn’t get to talk about eschatology, which had been the subject of our two private meetings.  Chris turned to me....... well, Dan, I guess you’ll just have to surprise us.  

    I do try....... don’t I, Eric?  

    I think Kant understood about the one mind...... with two aspects...... phenomenal and noumenal.  

    So did Freud and Jung.  

    So did Teilhard..... in the context of the Final Participation..... the Noosphere...... which is here, now.  

    The chrysalis is now, here...... bon voyage......

    And melania...... she speaks only with aaron...... as in the land of the bean and the cod......


    10:30..........

    But perhaps you’d like to hear from the Princess.......
    "The time has come," the Walrus said,
    "To talk of many things:
    Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
    Of cabbages--and kings--
    And why the sea is boiling hot--
    And whether pigs have wings."

    Or from wby.......
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert  
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,  
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,  
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it  
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.  
    The darkness drops again; but now I know  
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,  
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,  
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

    Or from Eric.......
    Helpless people on subway trains
    Scream, bug-eyed, as he looks in on them
    He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
    As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town
    Oh, no, they say he's got to go
    Go, go, Godzilla (yeah)
    Oh, no, there goes Tokyo
    Go, go, Godzilla (yeah)
    Yes, we do wish to walk softly, don’t we, Eric?  

    Or how could we forget......
    Well, he went on his way, and then what do ya know?
    I saw him last night on a TV show
    He was blowing it out, really knockin' em dead
    Playin' rock and roll music through the horn in his head


    12.........

    Or in reference to vegas........
    Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
    There is baggage, my friends....... it’s not all about being cozy by the fireplace.  If you’re looking for purity, I think you came to the wrong Monad.  This one might be for real.  Every thing goes into the sausage, especially our squeal.  I’m not a vegetarian, I’m a humanitarian.  


    1:30........

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mind-indian-buddhism/ ....

    Buddhists have a bit of confusion......

    They see the self as being inescapably dual...... as begging the non self..... or simply being composite...... and as being our primary illusion and attachment.



    (cont.......)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:25 am

    Comment by 99: There's a glitch in this forum. I posted before Eric yet somehow his post ended up before mine instead of after it. 

    Below is the contents of my post in ref to Dan's post before his last one. Post 500. 


    99 wrote:Time for you to get up to date on this topic Dan

    The mass shooting in Las Vegas resulted in 59 deaths.... this happened in 2017. 

    But in this year alone, in the last 12 months, 259 people have perished in mass shootings in this country. 

    Mass Shootings are becoming more and more frequent with more fatalities than ever before.
    For you to obsess about a mass shooting that happened over 2 years ago in Las Vegas is like someone focusing on the war of 1812 when in the midst of the 2nd world war.....




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    One of your better posts Dan.

    A little mystical too.

    Good cultural references.

    Good spread of quotes.

    I give it an 8.5.

    I bet they find guys like Doty who can just compulsively lie like a rug.

    The Dude just wants his rug.

    Blue Oyster Cult - Godzilla wrote:With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
    He pulls the spitting high-tension wires down

    History shows again and again
    How nature points out the folly of man
    Godzilla!

    Egos job is to keep us safe.

    One mind can’t be reached conceptually.

    Ironic, right?

    Whatever ground we hold onto in our delusional mind keeps us separate.

    This is part of the way.

    Don’t hold any ground.

    Everyone though has their ground staked out.

    Uh uh.

    It’s not so easy to do, because to the degree that you deceive yourself by posturing, harboring ambition, or hiding your shadow side—by that much you hold yourself apart.

    Do you have the guts to step forward?

    Are we alien hybrids?

    Food?

    Fuck it.

    Step forward.

    Face the Abyss.

    That’s why the image of the Zen warrior is so fitting. No concept of winning and losing, simply facing the abyss. Where is the abyss? Right in front of you. If you don’t see that, you’re missing the importance of what we are doing. The abyss can swallow you up in a second. It is literally one breath away.

    How will you go? With fear and trembling? Or with a scream of affirmation? Jump into it, sword cutting, cutting, cutting!

    Joshu earnestly asked Nansen, “What is the Way?” Nansen answered, “Ordinary mind is the Way.” Joshu asked, “Should I direct myself toward it or not?” Nansen said, “If you try to turn toward it, you go against it.” Joshu asked, “If I do not try to turn toward it, how can I know that it’s the Way?” Nansen answered, “The Way does not belong to knowing or not knowing. Knowing is delusion. Not knowing is a blank consciousness. When you have really reached the true Way beyond all doubt you will find it as vast and boundless as outer space. How can it be talked about on a level of right and wrong?” At these words, Joshu was suddenly enlightened.

    The Zen talk about delusion a lot, that is just anxious mind.

    Relax, stay loose, be ready.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:47 am

    99,

    I bless your earnest attempts to follow the bouncing ball that purports to be the core story.

    I detect a smidgen of reluctance to let yourself fall down this particular rabbit hole.

    I’m quite reluctant to disturb the somnambulance. This is not an armchair excursion.

    smelly, if he understands one thing, he understands this....... surrender all innocence, ye who enter here.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:48 am

    Be ready...

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    Post by 99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:55 am

    259 does not include the fatalities that occurred over this past weekend in El Paso and Dayton. That brings that figure up to 290 over the past year. But there were other smaller mass shootings too during that time (over this past weekend) so in actuality it's more than 290.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:57 am

    The pure fool slowly learns the way the world works.

    His innocence is his protection.

    Don’t give it away.

    It can be restored if lost with the great effort of no effort.
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    Post by 99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:58 am

    dan wrote:99,

    I bless your earnest attempts to follow the bouncing ball that purports to be the core story.  

    I detect a smidgen of reluctance to let yourself fall down this particular rabbit hole.

    I’m quite reluctant to disturb the somnambulance.  This is not an armchair excursion.  

    smelly, if he understands one thing, he understands this....... surrender all innocence, ye who enter here.  



    (cont.......)

    Dan, I refuse to participate in incoherent nonsensical BABBLE that you two have been engaged in.... in this forum.

    This forum is not just you and Eric... there are others here who deserve better. 

    In my case, I grab a fragment of lucidity from your word soup posts and comment on it. That's the best I can do.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:09 am

    99,

    Might the tragic events of this past week and the recent past such as Las Vegas be more a symptom or expression of our current collective state?

    I don't believe that the President or indeed perhaps any other individual who might currently be the president would have changed the culture medium from where we currently are.

    Whatever the future may be we need to find the path to collective peace.

    Dan,

    I am trusting that Sophia will help the children.

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    Post by 99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:15 am

    Peace will never happen unless there's a war against crime to eradicate mass shootings. Sorry CS, that's just how it is,

    Unless the common man rises up to the occasion to take matters into their own hands to resolve this problem, everything will just get worse. 

    Once again, our gov't is doing nothing to resolve this issue.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:16 am

    99 wrote:
    dan wrote:99,

    I bless your earnest attempts to follow the bouncing ball that purports to be the core story.  

    I detect a smidgen of reluctance to let yourself fall down this particular rabbit hole.

    I’m quite reluctant to disturb the somnambulance.  This is not an armchair excursion.  

    smelly, if he understands one thing, he understands this....... surrender all innocence, ye who enter here.  



    (cont.......)

    Dan, I refuse to participate in incoherent nonsensical BABBLE that you two have been engaged in.... in this forum.

    This forum is not just you and Eric... there are others here who deserve better. 

    In my case, I grab a fragment of lucidity from your word soup posts and comment on it. That's the best I can do.

    We have cognitive dissonance!

    Now is when we insert the new program.

    It will fit right in, it goes...right here...click!

    There you go, you should be good as new in no time.

    Hmmm, be great if it was that easy.
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    Post by 99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:20 am

    smelly wrote:We have cognitive dissonance!

    Now is when we insert the new program.

    It will fit right in, it goes...right here...click!

    There you go, you should be good as new in no time.

    Hmmm, be great if it was that easy.

    There you have it..... silly nonsensical babble. I'm not going to play  that game smelly.... it's a complete waste of my valuable time.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:43 am

    Presidents and Government's can only do so much.

    It starts and ends with each of us.

    What kind of world we want.

    Makes we think that Sitting Bull's words of 'putting our minds together to see what kind of world we can create for the children' is kind of fitting.

    But what do I know - nothing

    Smelly,

    I may be a very late arrival but re your comment to teach a class on Philosophy - I think that would be great. I would sign up.

    I bet so would Ack lol

    I haven't even got to read a fraction of the material I would like to from Aurelius, Nicomachean Ethics or even my copy of Thoreau's 'Walden'.

    Maybe the college will have a change of heart Smile

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    Post by 99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:45 am

    It starts and ends with each of us. ~ CS


    That's exactly right CS. 
    I agree! 
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    Post by Cuan Scott Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:53 am

    Just a thought,

    This country has suffered with bombs and shootings too. Tragic loss of life.

    3000 people over 30 years.

    My mum and I nearly joined the list when I was a baby or so I am told.

    Some in your country want guns, some want them banned.

    How about everyone get together and create a world that is so good that people don't want guns and then people don't want or need to have them banned.

    Is there not always a third option?

    Might just be my childish wishful thinking kicking in lol

    Like I said though, what do I know - nothing

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    Post by 99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:57 am

    There should be a grass roots effort to buy up all of the guns and semi-automatic and assault weapons and distribute them to the general public for everyone to defend themselves against those crazies who are responsible for mass shootings. 

    This is what I'm talking about. 

    The gov't amazingly still allows sale of these weapons to anyone who wants them. Consequently, it's the people that has to rise up, fight back and defend themselves. 

    It's all about survival and this is what we have to do.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:04 pm

    Philosophy classes are for the masses.
    A little bird song could never go wrong,
    except when the winters are long.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:07 pm

    99, awww, you dont wanna play?

    All we are doing is playing.

    You can't put judgments on events, you can, but it's a dead end.

    I gave you the game hint 99, nonsense it is.

    Explore the pure land of the pure fool.


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