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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:04 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    It looks like we’re running up,against the 40 page allotment from the last thread......

    And I’m still with Tulsi, unless there is a better suggestion......
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:41 pm

    I also feel to say The Hanged Man opened The Way to travel between worlds.

    Thanks Hanged Man.

    So monkey see, monkey do.

    One way is to meditate on the Hanged Man.

    One way is to mediate on who you are.

    Another way is psychedelics.

    Religious ecstatic experience is another.

    Self sacrifice when you know how precious life is must be the ultimate act.

    One must walk the rope without a net.

    Turn inside out.

    Upside down.

    Push past all previous limits of clouded mind.

    This is the time for patience.

    Holding my focus here.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:49 pm

    Has Glen, Man of the True God PMed you guys?

    I replied.

    I could only answer as the “don’t know” smelly goat of course.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:56 pm

    We all know how much more special I am than you ack, haha.

    God and the Devil’s favorite smelly goat don’t you know.

    Honestly, and I’m dropping the mask here.

    Smelly is my homage to Marcus Aurelius.

    I used to wish he had been my Father.

    I hope he sees my deeds from the Afterlife, if such a silly place like that could exist.
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    Vaya con Dios mi amigo!


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    Elon says - SpaceX has Area 59 Wink

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:15 pm

    We will have another day

    If the sun decides to

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:18 pm

    Ack wrote:Nooooo!

    Does the Dog have Buddha nature?

    Nooooo!

    Why did you just say that?!

    You must be watching my google searches.

    Cause you are a scary guesser.

    I just read a story about a dog having Buddha nature.

    That’s funny Dude.

    Ummm, no, you must be watching.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:22 pm

    WTF?!

    Aaron you better PM you are watching my google searches on The Underworld.

    Just today I read about Joshu, one of my fav Zen dudes and a dog having buddha nature.

    That’s like um beyond.

    The skeptic says you are watching my google searches.

    You gonna fess up?

    http://sped2work.tripod.com/chao-chou.html

    Well, for new comers here, I have had a few clues like this.

    And I put on a show for them!

    Morons!

    Muppets!

    Bahahahahahaha


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:24 pm

    Why did you say the dog and Buddha thing?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:26 pm

    Really man, why that phrase?

    What was the flow around that phrase in your head, what does it connect to in your head?

    You literally said what I just read one browser page away.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:33 pm

    Ok Puca beotch.

    Let’s play this cosmic moment out...

    In front of the world, well, the 20 people who come to OMFat least?!

    Cagey little kid.

    Puuuullllleeeeeaaassssseeee

    ...

    A monk once asked master Chao-chou, "Does a dog have Buddha-nature or not?"

    Chao-chou said, "Mu"



    We should clarify the meaning of this question.
    A dog is a dog. The question does not ask whether the Buddha-nature can or cannot exist in the dog; it asks whether even an iron man learns the truth. To happen upon such a poison hand may be a matter for deep regret, and at the same time the scene recalls the meeting, after thirty years, with half a sacred person.
    Chao chou says, "It is without.” (MU)

    When we hear this expression, there are concrete paths by which to learn it: the "being without” with which the Buddha-nature describes itself may be expressed like this; the "not having " which describes the dog itself may be expressed like this; and "there is nothing," as exclaimed by an onlooker, may be expressed like this. There may come a day when this "being without" becomes merely the grinding away of a stone.

    The monk says, "All living beings totally have the Buddha-nature. Why is the dog without?" The intention here is as follows: "If all living beings did not exist, then the Buddha-nature would not exist and the dog would not exist. How about this point? Why should the dog's Buddha-nature depend on 'non-existence’.?"

    Chao chou says, "Because it has Karmic consciousness.”

    The intention of this expression is that even though the reason it exists is Karmic consciousness and to have Karmic consciousness is the reason it exists, the dog is without anything, and the Buddha-nature is without anything. Karmic consciousness never understands intellectually what the dog is, so how could the dog meet the Buddha-nature? Whether we cast away duality or take up both sides, the state is just the constant working of Karmic consciousness.

    A monk asks Chao chou, "Does the Buddha –nature exist even in a dog or not?"

    This question may be the fact that this monk is able to stand up to Chao chou. Thus, assertions and questions about the Buddha-nature are the everyday tea and meals of Buddhist patriarchs.

    Chao chou says, "It exists."

    The situation of this "It exists" is beyond the "existence" of scholastic commentary teachers and the like, and beyond the dogmatic "existence" of the Existence School. We should move ahead and learn the Buddha's Existence. The Buddha's Existence is Chao chou's "It exists." Chao chou's "it exists" is "the dog exists," and "the dog exists" is "the Buddha-nature exists."

    The monk says, "It exists already—then why does it forcibly enter this concrete bag of skin?"

    This monk's expression of the truth poses the question of whether it is present existence, whether it is past existence, or whether it is Existence already; and although Existence already resembles the other "existences" Existence already clearly stands alone. Does Existence already need to force its way in? Or does Existence already not need to force its way in? The action of forcibly entering this concrete bag of skin does not accommodate idle heedless consideration.

    Chao chou says “Because it knowingly commits a deliberate violation”

    Hmmm, I think we have heard something here.

    Don’t know
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:35 pm

    You traced my earlier Mu comment or saw my post on /zen reddit and you back tracked to that story.

    That’s pretty good Aaron.

    That’s smelly goat shit is what it is.

    Impressed.

    You are paying attention here.

    Good.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:19 am

    Mmm hmm

    It was quickly found by you and then you used it at just the right time.

    But you followed my thread from /zen and searched for Joshu and mu and found dog.

    Haha, I gotcha number visitor.

    Guess it takes another one to do that.

    Oh shiat!

    There is a tail growing out of my butt now!

    The visitor must be going full monkey.

    Or the monkey is going full goat, dunno.

    Maybe we should start a visitor cult Wink

    Always wanted to start my own cult I can sell my sophistry to.

    But I’m not very charismatic.

    Da Free John was a character, him and OSHO must have been friends.

    Straight on.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:46 am

    You know Dan, Zen could be the ultimate acceptance of determinism.

    I became a Calvinist?!

    Eeeekkkk!

    “When the world was not, there was still this reality. When the world is destroyed, this reality is not destroyed. Take one look at me, I am nothing other than I am. The True Self is simply this. Right here what more is there to be sought for? At such a time, don't turn your head away or change your expression. If you do so, it is immediately lost."

    Don’t know is not ignorance or lack of knowledge, it is not-prejudice.

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