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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:51 am

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    99,

    I would give him a bit more credit than that.  

    In the Endtimes, the news will become the entertainment, and the entertainment will become the news.  

    God = +0.  We = God.  God = us....... in the End.

    And, please, 99, don’t tell me about the SoT.  [You are welcome to put your annotations in brackets.]




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    Post by Cyrellys Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:42 pm

    painterdoug wrote:some in the active inquiry say the Hawaii nuke was real and an actual launch.  does anyone know anymore on this?  And that it was zapped from the sky by some superior force. ours , theirs who knows?

    i don't buy that the launch was a mistake from someone  leaning on the wrong button, simply absurd.  so who was it and who stopped it ?    this is of major importance and not much chatter about it


    Reported as witnessed by several different parties. It was launched from a sub. Argentine...not the nation. Argentine is word for Post WW2 Nazi International Network. Controlled by the prime network described in: The Enemy Within video made by the Aussie about the American corruption.


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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:32 am

    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I've come to talk with you again
    Because a vision softly creeping
    Left its seeds while I was sleeping
    And the vision that was planted in my brain
    Still remains
    Within the sound of silence

    I believe that the Silence can be broken with the simple notion of woke^2.  

    smelly will able to understand this, and he will be my first disciple.  

    Just sayin’.........

    And, ok, smelly, I won’t argue with your Daimon, if you don’t argue with mine.  And, if truth be told, my Daimon is just a little bit bigger than yours.  

    If I understand ‘woke’, then Jesus may be understood to be the first woke person....... who understood his own historical significance

    I claim to be the first woke^2 person.  

    To better understand woke^2, we need to understand......

    woke^1.5 = the world ain’t broke, so don’t try to fix it.  

    Woke^1.5 can say this to woke^1.  

    All I have to say to 1.5 is that I agree, and I will go one better......

    ....... the world ain’t broke, and I’m gonna prove it, with the help of my first disciple.  

    Ain’t that right, smelly?  


    Cy,

    About the incoming missile to Hawaii.........

    It may have been an actual ‘Argentine’ missile.  But you didn’t answer Doug’s second question....... who shot it down?

    I believe I know, and it wasn’t shot down, it was captured.......
    'Cause it's time, it's time in time with your time
    And its news is captured
    For the queen to use!
    ..... for the Queen to use!  

    And, if the above is correct, chicken little is the incoming, for the Queen bee to use!

    Woke^2 to Cy............ the world is the sum of all conspiracies ever imagined.   You’re looking at the little conspiracies.  The biggest conspiracy is unfolding, right under your nose.  

    It’s be here, or be square, Cy.  


    Back to smelly........

    And you have already met the Queen.  She was the one who sprinkled you with her pixie dust.  


    11:40...........

    And why doesn’t the world need to be fixed.......?  

    Because the Big Fix is already in.  

    This is where smelly is a bit confused.  He thinks I’m aiming to be the Big Fixer.  Not quite.  I’m aiming to be the big explainer.  I aim to explain Jesus.  I’m gonna take Jesus mystery away.  

    Jesus’ mystery is his mojo.  That’s why I’ll also be the Antichrist.  

    Jesus has been sequestering his mojo.  I’m gonna unsequester it.  We’re all going to have Jesus’ mojo.  And, by the way, he already prophesied this unsequestering.  

    So Jesus didn’t actually save the world.  Rather, he set in motion (demarcated) the process of our deification.  And so did Buddha.  Jesus knew what he was doing.  Buddha didn’t, IMHO.  

    So, there you have it.  Any questions?


    smelly doesn’t understand the Anthropic Principle.  I do. Therein lies a world of difference.  Our world is perfect, and so is everyone in it...... all of us fixers, all of us breakers.  And we’re all just about to be fired.  We’re gonna take our lunch buckets and head home.  

    But no rush.  Let’s smell the flowers, one last time, smelly, on the way home.  


    You see, smelly and I just have to get our act together...... his heart, my head.  The French call it a Folie-a-Deux.  We walk through the Portal at the end of the World, arm-in-arm with the Princess.  Isn’t that right, Aliyah? Ménage-a-Trois, anyone? Our significant others come along for the ride.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:31 am

    Jesus was woke.

    Crowley was woke.

    Masters know and Love Christ.

    He went to prepare a place.

    I don’t think he physically returns, if anything, it will be many woke persons shining.

    You have something Dan and I understand very little.

    As you are, is as you should be, same for all of us.

    But we all have a chance for more.

    Crowley would probably agree with what you said.

    He became the Beast.

    Not to go on about him, but I have decided to focus on Thelema.

    The Magick of finding and using my true will.

    Dan, there does seem to be some confusion among the woke set if we stand apart as lords of creation or dissolve into monad, terrifies left Pathers, which is a sign to me of ego, but I can’t judge these humans.

    What if it’s both, like a revolving door monad?

    This is a topic I am trying to get a handle on.

    Reading Overthrowng the Gods by a left path Master, Don Webb.

    https://www.amazon.com/Overthrowing-Old-Gods-Aleister-Crowley/dp/1620551896/ref=nodl_

    His idea is that Crowley found Christ as the child Horus and Osiris was overcome.

    Negative emotions feed the great archon, reflection of IT, positive ones strengthen us.

    We are in a seething Black Sea of all form, evil. We have to create a bubble and rise out of it. Very difficult.

    Does the world of form change in your cosmology?

    Do you believe in the Secret Chiefs, could be who contacted govt?

    I say let’s go through that gate!

    What the hell are we waiting for Wink


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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:36 am

    We’re waiting for the Princess. She’s doing some last minute portal work, down south, with Kashmir and Foot.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:57 am

    Thoughts on the Secret Chiefs Dan?

    Bullshit?

    Daimons?

    Angels?

    Buddhas?

    Christ posse?

    Black brothers?

    Star brigade?

    Avians?

    Blue beings?

    I think Greys.

    That means OSHO, Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu, natural or drop ins?

    If you are bored perhaps your thoughts...
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:06 pm

    Nobody ever bothered to contact me.  

    You are the only person I know with contact experience, and Black Elk is the only name I recall you mentioning.  

    You and I read books, which is something I don’t think Ron has ever done.  Aliyah has only mentioned Rumi.  

    The only contact reported to me is by Kashmir, with cheetahs.  I asked if she communicated with them.  I don’t recall her answer.  

    I guess you could say that we’re not into contact.

    We are in a seething Black Sea of all form, evil. We have to create a bubble and rise out of it. Very difficult.

    Does the world of form change in your cosmology?
    I don’t think we do bubbles, either.

    World of form change......? Forms might change from one perspective to another, but otherwise, I would guess not.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:18 pm

    If you see everything is a sign, then it is. A person who listens and follows synchronicites will change.

    I suppose it is they or the One consciousness communicating, pulling strings.

    You create a space for the presence you want to talk to.

    I suppose when I write spontaneously I’m channeling mostly them or my connection to that.

    I have honed that skill.

    Best to not be aware prob of the details, though some have scary knowledge, which is a fade I know.

    Some have reportedly mastered matter and can transmute it and themselves at will.

    I have never observed such as far as I am aware.

    Yes, they speak through spinning plates and books a lot if I think about it.

    But then there is this mysteries phenomena of gnosis of the Daimon.

    That I know is real and quite enough evidence for myself.

    I was given equations that matched to Thelema and Kabbalah out of nowhere and images, I pulled away from the imagination, back to ground, intoxicating.

    I guess that’s contact as well.
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:28 pm

    I guess that we all try to channel our higher Self, but it’s not something that I do consciously.  

    Synchronicity is important.  It’s important for everyone, but some find it spooky.  I find it amusing.  

    Every person engaged creatively has a notion of a muse.  I’m no exception.  I certainly make liberal use of quotations.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:40 pm

    Synchronicity makes me laugh and laugh and Marissa too.

    We just can’t believe it.

    I have decided it always happens, we just have to tune it.

    I make liberal use of the muse and I have a goddess.

    It is mostly unconscious and mysterious still, but makes us laugh, yes, giggling.

    Have you caught a load of this Pope commercial on CNN?!

    Liam Nelson commandingly says...his authority remains and this is his path to power.

    Um, I call bullshit on that lie.

    The greatest mystery is working out love between two people.

    That’s the real great work.

    If you haven’t gotten that right, cease all else I was told and focus there.

    That’s comforting.



    "My dear heart, never think you are better than others. Listen to their sorrows with compassion. If you want peace, don't harbor bad thoughts, do not gossip and don't teach what you do not know."

    — Rumi

    A word to mez or everyone.

    Artwork - Michal Klemczak

    Now that’s a proper portal Wink

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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:57 pm

    That’s where Foot focuses. Me? I’m the theoretician....... I only ever get half way.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:59 pm

    Foot may be a wise man.

    Some would call you evil just leaning on rationality and reason. But you know the terms better than most and are not walking around deluded by materialism. Not sure what that makes you. No name needed by me.

    Develop virtue too Dan.

    Don’t get left behind.
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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:52 pm

    Left behind.......... uh, oh!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:20 pm

    Programmed to receive...

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    Post by dan Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:08 pm

    It seems that our bromance is off to a rather desultory start.  

    You seem to suggest that there is a loss of innocence.  I apologize.  

    But I would suggest quite the opposite.  

    Civilization feeds on its tensions, it’s discontents.  The collapse of those tensions could well signal the imminent collapse of civilization.  

    You incline toward the Hinayana..... me toward the Mahayana.  I suggest that we’re likely to need a four laner to accommodate the evening traffic.  

    What seems problematic at the start is the lack of a basis for communalism.  I would like to be able to envision expeditionary groups.  If done properly, the preparation of such groups would greatly aid in the coherence of the flow.  

    I’m quite aware that you have expressed considerable antipathy toward the notion any group dynamic in the enlightenment process.  If your antipathy is proven correct, we are in for a rapid breakdown.  I do not have a grasp on any robust alternatives.  

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:40 pm

    Not at all.

    We enter through the gate as innocent children, with knowledge of good and evil, or the benefit from being near those things.

    I’m big into community.

    We don’t hide what we find, we must connect.

    I am to connect and do my duty to any I’m connected to.

    I am fully engaging.

    Everyone needs help.

    You go out and then you can come back in.

    Don’t judge Dan.

    Ask questions to clarify, maybe not start with assumptions.

    That song is about becoming woke.

    Think the best or nothing will jive.

    Expeditionary groups seems like a good idea.

    Where are they heading Wink

    I really like that song.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:35 pm

    We were talking about synchronicites today.

    We had an incredible series the other day.

    I heard, seek 56 in the Tao Te Ching.

    I did.

    Then the next day, Marissa ordered food. The total was 56.56, tip 5.6.

    The day we ordered was the 56th day of the year.

    I had been studying Thelema recently and was given the key to it via gnosis, 56.

    http://www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/magick/nv.html

    Incredible.

    He will know your ways as if born to them.

    True for any Daimon I guess, they must know most of IT.

    It’s getting really weird. They are getting very specific and chatty.

    Almost to the point they move our heads to see things all day.

    56 is a key. 56 makes a pattern that all things are made from geometrically.

    Much more study needed.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:39 pm

    Another synchronicity.

    I was talking to a friend on FB and I told him.

    I like to watch life.

    He said you ever see this movie Being There, that’s the gardeners line.

    The Daimon immediately told me God likes to watch.

    I say I don’t remember that line.

    So I poke around and I guess this was the message below.

    Incredible.

    Never saw the movie to the end, haha.

    Guess I could have saved a lot of time if I had.

    I were just talking about being innocent as a child.

    The Smelly Goat wrote:We enter through the gate as innocent children, with knowledge of good and evil, or the benefit from being near those things.

    Ding! Ding! Ding!



    This is called having your bell rung.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:09 am

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_holes
    http://www.jainmathemagics.com/divinephiproportion/

    The right brain recognises patterns, not words or left brain numbers.





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    Post by dan Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:27 am

    Yes, Being There is a classic.  

    Donald Trump is something of a cross between Ben Rand and Chauncey.  

    We are also Chauncey.  

    What does this say about democracy?  What does this say about economics....... in the Endtimes?  

    We are also in a Who Moved My Cheese situation.  How do we switch from Mammon to Manna?  Can we do it democratically...... capitalistically?  

    Do we need to reinvent the Holy Roman Empire...... reestablish the Confucian Sages?  

    Can we remake the bed, without disturbing the patient?  

    When do we wake the patient?  Will the patient rouse herself spontaneously, at the best possible time?

    To what extent, if any, is Donald woke....... or any of the other world leaders?  And what about the global intelligence community?  Where is MJ12, in all of this?

    Are we back to Robert Anton Wilson...... without the Cosmic Trigger?  

    If you and I can hold the Center, here, smelly, it can be held anywhere, but probably not everywhere.   Some of Anton’s infinity of conspiracies will be tripping over each other, as we engage in our pivot, in the dark.  

    None of this would have be possible without global communications, on the personal level.  With all this interconnection, and smelly is hanging on by a thread.  

    Apple was a portal in the storm.  Where are Google, Amazon and Facebook, speaking of capitalism?  Governments enable monopolies, and vice-versa, to a degree.   Are we headed back to Guilds and Rents?  

    Limited resources necessitate rents.  Ask Ricardo.  

    How will corporations differ from fiefdoms?  

    The only unlimited resource is love.  

    And do keep in mind that when economics and politics fail...... there is always war...... Armageddon, even, sports fans.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:35 am

    56

    I remember reading that number tied to stone henge and hobbit caught it.

    We have good signal.

    If we use Chauncey as a role model, we have to be more like a zen flower in the flow than a Dwight D. Eisenhower, no?

    Not going to make materialists happy.

    Seems we always need something that starts small and becomes a tsunami to change things.

    Our thinking is currently so backwards somethings gotta give, and when it does, it all maybe crashes down.

    Brexit, Trump, Putin, Middle East, Donkim are some crashes seriously messing with us.

    Trump may be the biggest crash of them all.

    I disagree with every single idea he has.

    Every one.

    Shrug.

    We think we don’t want crashes, but maybe we do, we seem to have a pile up

    Recent movie Annihilation touches on some of this.

    The Cosmos is a mirror reflecting what we project.

    So, looking at the Zen mind, we don’t reflect, we accept.

    Looking at Chauncey, be a child.

    A babe in the woods somehow can make it through.

    Then you have these Lords of the Left Hand Path who would never be passive.

    It is a big mess, the best possible mess.
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    Post by dan Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:49 am

    We need a left hand along with the right.  The global intelligence community keeps the left and right coordinated.  

    Who says that Ike was not a Zen Master?  Golf was his meditation.  

    Back in the day, Rosemary introduced me to Gerald Hawkins, author of Stonehenge Decoded.  He discovered the connection with the 56 year eclipse cycle.  He was back here, working for Naval Intelligence, along with Rosemary’s other friend, Vince Tiede, I believe.  

    His job was to decode the crop circles


    There will be crashes.  We just don’t want blood up to the bridles.  And, yes, there will be the best possible amount of chaos.  


    We also met John Michell..... New View Over Atlantis.  It was my Sufi guru who had me study Piazzi Smyth.  I was much taken with his Pyramid Inch.  There is a strong connection between sacred geometry and geomancy....... and astromancy.  

    Sacred geometry provides the framework for our small world, geocentric cosmogenesis.  

    The is much about the numerical coincidences on the best possible world website.  If no one else wants to, I’ll take credit for making a cosmic case for the coincidence between the English and Metric systems.

    The equivalence was almost exactly 2.54, and has now been defined as such. The history of that coincidence is murky, indeed. It has to do with three Barleycorns for Muster Mark, and all that.


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    Post by DrZaius Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:30 am

    Dan, is this the Katechon?

    https://youtu.be/nsqZJP54shg
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    The basic idea is that all forms come from a simple tetrahedron just replicating.

    Hello, simulation.

    Interesting synchronicity this 56. I will look at your references.

    You see it don’t you, no one discovers anything.

    Just best place at best time with best thought.

    I will no longer use good or bad, I will just think and say the best, knowing I need the worst, and am just a reflection of best in a shadow world. Best might be positive or negative.

    We are not the source of this best way of thinking, just receivers, and this is why we need humility.

    Yeah, the right needs left and vice versa, we need both eyes open.

    It wasn’t too hard for me to woke to reality as a simulation.

    But that’s gonna be one hell of a hang over for the majority.

    Given what Ike did, I’m sure he was Zen.

    “Keep this thought at the ready at daybreak, and through the day and night— there is only one path to happiness, and that is in giving up all outside of your sphere of choice, regarding nothing else as your possession..." — Epictetus

    I know Ike was stoic and had his Eisenhower Matrix.

    “What is important is seldom urgent and what is urgent is seldom important.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

    All things must pass away,
    daylight is good and will arrive at the right time,
    and darkness will fade away. — George Harrison
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    Post by dan Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:21 am

    DrZ,

    I’m supposing that behind your question about the Van Allen belts, etc., is a larger one about the interface between physics and metaphysics. That is a real toughie.

    smelly and I are touching upon that interface, with the notion of sacred geometry, etc.

    What was/is the connection between alchemy and chemistry, for instance?



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    Post by hobbit Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:33 am

    Dan,

    I have huge respect for those striving to comprehend the measure.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCHOMmByLNg

    But......

    All of creation is a consequence of the geometry of a fixed and perfectly packed universe.
    I am humbled to detect and able to measure this, to draw it out, to then nearly have My head explode when realising the consequences.

    To further been able to switch instantly My focus upon that which flows about this.

    When You can comprehend that the wind is not blowing, that our limited senses consider it is.
    That the sun is an electric consequence and not this ridiculous nuclear garbage they indoctrinate.

    That humans in particular are created to fit this measure , and vary in accordance with the geometry about this spheroid, and that it is the fixed geometry utilised in construction of megalithic sites, and that humans foot measure is correct but not based upon the humans that those only able to use their limited senses are so easily led down the wrong rabbit hole.

    I follow in the footsteps of great dowsers, but now able to share this knowledge.
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