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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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    Laughing-stock Globalism: Fair Chase Evolving in Montana

    By Cyrellys
    April 1, 2013
    ~ Permission granted to copy and distribute with attribution of source and author.

    Have we become the land of April Fools? Montana's new Governor Bullock is showing his true colors. Emails are flying in amazement over the good Governor's proposed legislation for Montana Archers.

    It seems he would ideally like to entirely eliminate archery season but in lieu of that his proposed legislation is expected to suffice. I first learned of it via email from Gary Marbut of Montana Shooting Sports Association. He's been swamped with emails concerning Bullocks's efforts.

    Gary contributed the following statement via email to his list,

    "HELENA, MONT. Speaking on behalf of Montana hunters, the Montana Shooting Sports Association expressed its outrage over plans just disclosed by Montana Governor Steve Bullock to eliminate archery hunting for big game in Montana. According to the Governor's strategy, if he can't get the Legislature to pass a bill eliminating archery hunting altogether, he will administratively direct the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks to adjust the duration of archery season to only one minute for one day of the year.

    Commenting from the Governor's Office, Bullock declared, “It is already established public policy that silent hunting is unacceptable because it creates insurmountable enforcement problems. In order to be consistent, I felt it necessary to extend that policy to archery, and I do want public policy to be consistent. Clearly, silent hunting make it harder to enforce hunting rules. I do not see the need for silent weapons for hunting. I believe most Montanans would agree,” Bullock wrote.

    As an alternative to an outright ban on archery hunting, Bullock is proposing a bill that would overcome the enforcement deficit associated with silent hunting. The bill would require all hunters to remove the mufflers from their hunting vehicles whenever a hunter is on a hunting trip, would require archery hunters to blow a blast on a canned air horn each time they release an arrow, and would require poachers to notify FWP 24 hours in advance of any intent to poach game animals in Montana.

    “These policies should help FWP enforcement personnel do their job of protecting the precious wildlife resource for the Montana public,” Bullock continued.

    Commenting from the University of Montana School of Law, Professor Justus Marshal took exception to the Governor's plan. “While eliminating silent hunting may be good public policy, requiring would-be criminals to announce their crimes to authorities in advance, or by noisemaking, will clearly violate their constitutionally-protected freedom from self-incrimination. Therefore, this proposed new law, even as it relates to mandated noise-making, cannot be applied to poachers, but only to those who have no intent to break the law. Conversely, nobody who fails to comply with the proposed law can be prosecuted for failing to incriminate himself.”

    In a prepared statement on the proposed archery termination plan and the alternate bill, MSSA observed, “The Governor appears to be making a lot of noise about making noise. We'd prefer him to make sense. If Bullock's goal is for Montana archery hunters to make noise, we think he will accomplish that, politically speaking at least.”

    Gary was kind enough to enclose a copy of the Governor's draft of the Bill. I was able to see from reading it that Gary was remarkably kind and polite in his organization's official response to the proposal. The contents of the draft left me wondering as to the sanity and actual hunting experience of our Governor.

    (Draft Governor's Bill)
    HOUSE BILL NO.

    INTRODUCED BY

    A BILL FOR AN ACT ENTITLED: "AN ACT REQUIRING HUNTERS TO MAKE NOISE THROUGHOUT HUNTING SEASON, INCLUDING REQUIRING ARCHERS TO MAKE NOISE UPON ARROW LAUNCH, REQUIRING HUNTERS TO WEAR BELLS, AND PROHIBITING USE OF MUFFLERS ON VEHICLES USED BY HUNTERS; REQUIRING ADVANCE NOTIFICATION BY POACHERS; AND PROVIDING AN IMMEDIATE EFFECTIVE DATE."

    WHEREAS, section 87-3-123, MCA, currently prohibits the possession of sound reduction devices on firearms in the field or forest or while hunting; and

    WHEREAS, section 87-3-123, MCA, does not go far enough; and

    WHEREAS, landowners have a right to know when any person is on or near the landowner's land;

    WHEREAS, persons who might trespass onto a landowners land must be required to make sufficient noise at all times that their locations may be readily ascertained;

    WHEREAS, fair chase means that hunted animals have a right to be able to hear a hunter coming; and

    WHEREAS, enforcement authorities have the right to be able to easily detect violators.

    THEREFORE, BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:

    NEW SECTION. Section 1. Vehicle mufflers illegal. Every person who purchases and holds a Montana conservation license is prohibited from using any type of muffler or sound suppression device on any motor vehicle operated by that person during the full duration of any regular or special hunting season. This prohibition applies throughout the hunting season whether the license holder is actively hunting or not.

    NEW SECTION. Section 2. Sound alarm for archery hunting. Every person who purchases or holds a license to hunt any game animal with archery equipment must at all times possess an air horn operated by compressed gas capable of emitting a sound of 150 decibels or more. During the period for which archery equipment is allowed for hunting, every person releasing an arrow from a bow must also release at least a one-second sound from the compressed gas air horn within ten seconds of releasing any arrow.

    NEW SECTION. Section 3. Hunter bells required. Every hunter must wear on or about his person a bell or similar device which will emit a ringing sound of a minimum of 60 decibels upon every step the hunter takes with his right foot, including a prosthetic foot.

    NEW SECTION. Section 4. Poaching advanced notification required. Any person intending to hunt illegally without the sound-producing devices required by [sections 1 through 3] must notify the department a minimum of 24 hours in advance of the intended activity, and the location of the intended activity to the nearest quarter section. Any such person must also wear a blinking light while hunting illegally, such light to be readily identifiable by a department warden.

    NEW SECTION. Section 5. No defense; no damages. It is no defense against prosecution under [Sections 1 through 3] that a person has, has had, or may incur hearing damage because of sound levels allowed or required. No person may claim damages because of the sounds imposed under [Sections 1 through 3].

    NEW SECTION. Section 6. Nuisance complaints not allowed. No person may make a nuisance complaint to any public authority and no public authority may act on any nuisance complaint because of sounds generated as a result of [Sections 1 through 3].

    NEW SECTION, Section 7. Controlling law. [Sections 1 through 3] prevail over any other statute that may require people or motor vehicles to be kept quiet.

    NEW SECTION. Section 8. Penalty. Any person convicted of having violated any of [Sections 1 through 3] is guilty of a felony and may be fined not to exceed $250,000 and imprisoned in the state prison for a term not to exceed 100 years, or both.

    NEW SECTION. Section 9. Effect of vote. Any legislator who votes in favor of this bill is deemed to have provided sufficient reason for reelection, is deemed to have been reelected, and may not be required to actually stand for election in order to serve another term in the Montana Legislature, any other laws to the contrary notwithstanding.

    NEW SECTION. Section 10. Clarification of intent. Any person who fails to understand the dire need for this legislation is referred to http://www.theonion.com/.

    - END -

    Gary Marbut, President
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    Author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.MTPublish.com

    At first read, I laughed. And then I laughed some more. Lol, this is what the Idiots of Montana get when they elect a Globalist. Welcome to the wonderful world of Conspiracy Theory.

    Part of what researchers are tracking is not only the total shut down of the global economic system, but also the shut down of American food production and access. The reason is a cultural perspective by an empowered minority that the world is over populated and measures must be taken to corral and cull the herd.

    The tools of their trade run from severe controls on agriculture and its products, indentured servancy to the banking loan system, to NAIS, to redirection of the majority of market products to external buyers.

    Now the latest effort focuses on the hunting culture to limit the access to nature's bounty as a food source for local families who have depended on it well over a century.

    The changes exist even at the fundamental level where the "fair chase" philosophy is being altered and what is returned to our students in the hunting safety classes now includes behaviors central to globalist social mandates.

    When was the last time discerning parents sat in on those classes and listened carefully to what was being taught? Hmmm? I have. Since two of my eldest children are teens and we are hunting family who depends on the hunt to fill the freezer each year I've had the honor of sitting the class twice.

    So. Now you must scare the game as you approach if you are even allowed to hunt? Either our good Governor has been smoking crack or he's a globalist by virtue of what he proposes here!

    How old is this social engineering process? Well I have a book for all of you to read:

    The Road to Survival
    By William Vogt
    copyright 1933

    Quote: Man's so-called conquest of nature is shown to be a suicidal process whereby the world, a sanctuary without exits for a fast-breeding human race, is rapidly being made uninhabitable.

    intellectual tags for those who actually read still: eugenics, population stabilization.

    I forwarded all this to a friend. A sort of litmus test to see if I'm the one losing my marbles or if it really does appear the Governor of Montana is losing his.

    My friend emailed back the following comment: "What a moron. Next he'll be trying to outlaw rock throwing."

    This was still relatively early in the morning. My teens were rising to face their chores and home study of the day. Eldest daughter age 15 loves to read over my shoulder especially when it concerns her favorite yearly hobby. Even she couldn't believe what was being proposed.

    I emailed her response in paraphrase back to Gary and the same friend I'd relayed the original comment to.

    From email ~
    "My 15 year old daughter who hunts each year read this and laughed.

    She suggests that instead of hunting this year we hunters should purchase every air horn available on the state and national market then invade the hunting lands in masse without mufflers on every vehicle we can get up there and play Marco Polo across every mountain top and plains plateau with the air horns and rev'ing engines all season long, just to see if the game flee into the cities for peace and quiet where they may then dine on everyone's manicured lawns and cause millions of dollars in damage to private, corporate, and governmental landscaping.

    And all the livestock who are also subjected to the racket might also venture from their pastures dragging their barbed wire from miles and miles of fencing out into roads and highways.

    And the bears and cougar who depend on the game which has now vacated the premises will roam wider into populated areas.

    And every landowner across the state will have the honor of experiencing five hunting parties per day visiting their premises to notify the owner that they may not be on his land but may be in the vicinity of his land and that he too shall be subjected to the mandated noise and may know no peace from a 1/2 hour past sun up to a 1/2 hour before sun down all in the name of the "fair chase" which is now declared with: VAAAAARRRROOORRRROOOORRROOOMMMMMM and BEEEEEEEEEEP!"

    Gary is obviously a busy man and he hasn't responded but my friend who also has a morbid fascination with Globalist behavior same as myself did.

    He said, "Very funny! Should do it around Bullocks house, while hunting for butterflies. After each whosh of the net, sound the BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!"

    (I don't doubt that Gary is seeing innumerable comments of horrified humor toward the Governor's apparent insanity, such as ours and cannot possibly even entertain responding to each one!"

    My final thoughts on the matter I couldn't help sharing with them both once more. I'm notorious for my facetious suggestions in the face of idiocy:

    From email ~
    Lol, this is so good maybe it should be expanded even further.

    Every time a senator speaks he should blow an air horn and any public employee should be required to operate a vehicle without a muffler. All in the name of the fair chase. That means you too Napolitano & Valerie Jarrett! ROFL.

    And every military recon group.

    And ever police officer who fires his gun should then announce it with BEEEEEEEP!

    And every mail man who deliver's mail. After each mail box is filled.

    And security officer and every surveillance camera should be equipped with an air horn.

    And every naval ship for every mile they travel should announce their presence with an air horn blast.

    All in the name of the fair chase.

    If it's good enough for the goose then it should be good enough for the gander.

    Cy

    By whatever grace the Soul and Reality are ruled, even a head-shaking observer such as myself still hopes this is some sort of a joke. But considering the sheer quantity of insane activities of those who practice this corrupt globalist culture we are afflicted with in this nation, I am not the least bit surprised.

    Yes Gary, let's refer everyone who is new to Globalism to visit The Onion. Because even they are hard pressed to be weirder than truth.


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    Post by Admin Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:38 am

    THE IMPLICATIONS AND EVOLUTION.

    By 2015 the strange behavior of the Montanan's during hunting season in obeisance to their elected leadership had spread across the nation and was showing up in globalist afflicted locals beyond its borders.

    Like the denigrating name-calling of organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) at the height of stigmatizing common sense and liberty principles for all people who at that time sought to remain free of corruption, the subjugated Montanan's practiced the mandates against silent hunting with great pride.

    The modern "Red-Badge of Courage" flowed outward and every hunting season and beyond seen the crescendo of sound rise from the planet's surface until even the ET species of Grey's, Tall Whites, Pleidians, and many others paused in their travels and study to observe with fascination. The rumor of the increasing behavior spread to many other species and by the Earth year 2015 ships from all over the cosmos were descending upon the small blue world to view the highly unusual response to tyranny never before seen in any specie, let alone one of hominid descent.

    The most ancient of species were consulted on the strange behavior. Great ships arrived with study groups and parked over innumerable locations in an effort to understand the impact of the ruckus on both ecology and societal infrastructure and general health of the population.

    To this day much of the implications of the noise remains a mystery to the Greater Community.


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    Post by Jake Reason Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:09 pm

    Very funny. When you sent it to me I had not noticed the closing remarks from the Governor's Bill...

    NEW SECTION. Section 10. Clarification of intent. Any person who fails to understand the dire need for this legislation is referred to http://www.theonion.com/.

    - END -
    Theonion? That confirms it was an April Fool's joke.

    cheers

    Well at least, he has a sense of humor.


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    Post by Admin Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:17 pm

    Jake Reason wrote:Very funny. When you sent it to me I had not noticed the closing remarks from the Governor's Bill...

    NEW SECTION. Section 10. Clarification of intent. Any person who fails to understand the dire need for this legislation is referred to http://www.theonion.com/.

    - END -
    Theonion? That confirms it was an April Fool's joke.

    cheers

    Well at least, he has a sense of humor.




    Grin, yes. I had several April Fools jokes land in my email but this was the best one. I had a good time with it. It does illustrate the sarcasm that those who follow the corruption have. The real behaviors are not far from being as ridiculous.



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