January 8th 2007
« Reply #18 on Jan 10, 2007, 6:04pm »
Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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From The TC Group - January 8th 2007
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We warned that many more players are connected in the Serpo game besides Doty and a few aviary members. Read this interview and it will explain the thought process behind those involved. It goes higher up the chain of command than previously believed. In the future, we will explain who, what why and the outcome they seek. Their games are not over, more to come. If our assets are correct, more truth will come out, but you must, again, dig through the crap to find it.
We will also update you, in the near future, on the "Pilot".
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Joan d'Arc: Dan, as a civilian UFO researcher and attach� to an "ad hoc"UFO working group called the Aviary, which included intelligence-affiliated individuals, your "bird name" was Chicken Little. How did you come to be involved with this group?
Dan Smith: I became acquainted with one of the members, 'Tom' (not his real name). 'Chicken Little' was just my own concoction. My father was involved with the military in WWII and was later in the government as an economist. He had no interest in UFOs, but was in contact with some influential people who I discovered later had unusual interests. After doing some graduate work in physics I turned to metaphysics. An extended psychic experience led me to contact MUFON and through them I came in contact with Tom at the CIA in '91. He was known as the 'keeper of the weird.'
JD: Can you tell me a little more about the "extended psychic experience" that started all this back when you were in grad school?
DS: I earned two masters degrees in physics: '67 Princeton, '77 Univ. of Maryland. In '77 there was a single occurrence of a singsong 'voice' one night. A brief perusal of a bible that had just been left by some Jehovah's Witnesses gave me the impression that I might become involved with the advent of the 'spirit of truth.' This lent a spiritual color to what had been a secular inquiry.
The other experience lasted for about five days in June of '91. It seemed that I was in a state of heightened awareness in which mundane events could take on cosmic or mythic significance. Some events were actually experienced as a superposition of these two levels. I was in telephone contact with my younger sister who was having similar experiences at the same time. She was hospitalized for about a week as a result. I contacted a MUFON representative who was disappointed that there was no overt alien presence. Nonetheless, I was put in touch with Bob Oechsler who gave me Tom's number at the CIA.
JD: What do you feel is the significance of this event?
DS: As I said, the first event steered me in a more spiritual direction. The second event had the effect of putting me into a more activist frame of mind, i.e. contacting people about UFOs and crop circles.
JD: Can you extrapolate on what you've learned about crop circles? Do you think they are a cosmic message to humans? Did MJ-12, in your opinion, send in the hoaxers and the media to cloud the message?
DS: Those circles have made a very significant impression on many people. The ambiguity of their provenance need not detract from that significance. I am thankful for that ambiguity. Isn't this all part of the 'Prime Directive?' Did MJ-12 influence Time's coverage of Doug and Dave? Are they thereby being paternalistic with the Truth? Yes, there is concealment before there is revelation. If not, there could be no creation, certainly not on this scale.
JD: What was your main impetus for wanting to be an information dissemination specialist between the intelligence community and the UFO community, using the Aviary as a go-between?
DS: I had no prior intent in that direction. I was well into my study of eschatology before meeting Tom. I wanted to find out what take the CIA might have on eschatology and possibly provide some input. Discussing the Aviary and the UFO community was a good excuse for a continuing contact with an intelligence officer who had relevant responsibilities.
JD: How would you describe your position as a "networker" between this group and the UFO community?
DS: From the beginning I was very open about my government contact. I began to network with some folks in the UFO community who were interested in sharing information. Through Tom I was put in contact with some other members of the Aviary and this all became grist for the mill. There was a lot of comparing notes and checking of information on both sides. At one point some of my UFO colleagues persuaded the CIA/IG (Inspector General) to conduct an internal investigation of Tom relative to his unusual methods of collecting information.
JD: Can you elaborate on these "unusual methods" and the implications of this generally in the field of civilian Ufology?
DS: Well, there was the fact that he was involved in domestic collections. He was making provocative statements to me about the possible presence of ET's. He spoke freely of his involvement with other members of the Aviary. On several occasions we met at 'nightclubs.' He had 'indelicate' conversations with a female researcher. It was far from clear what was in the line of duty. He was interviewed by an IG officer. He reported answering all the questions directly, but told the officer that he could not answer any questions about ETs.
JD: What did you hope to achieve through these contacts and do you think you achieved it?
DS: That remains up in the air. I have certainly managed to enlighten one officer on the subject of metaphysics and eschatology. And because of that contact some of my ideas have circulated more widely in the UFO community than they would have otherwise.
JD: Your excellent web site, called The Eschaton, describes your end times beliefs as well as other fascinating matters. What is the background of your end times beliefs?
DS: After leaving school I struggled with mind/matter dualism for several years before reluctantly adopting an idealist or immaterialist metaphysic. It took a couple more years for me to see that some form of eschatology is inevitable for a mind-based cosmology. It also became clear that such a cosmology was compatible with some of the original beliefs and heresies stemming from the prophetic tradition of monotheism.
JD: How would you quickly describe what you feel is going to occur in this "end of the world as we know it" scenario?
DS: If history is to have any meaning, it must have a beginning, middle and ending, as does any story. Linear time will come to an end. Life will go on in some form, but not this one. The rigidities of space and time will dissolve. The boundaries between our different states of consciousness will become more fluid. The so-called Millennium will be our time for wrapping our mundane affairs and preparing for our transition to a less physical existence.
JD: Your Eschaton revelation comes to you via science as well as religion. How would you succinctly explain this to people who aren't familiar with "new" physics concepts (realizing that people can go to your web site for more information)?
DS: As Physics has evolved, the world it describes is becoming increasingly more abstract, much more "thought-like" than "thing-like." What is not abstract are just the ephemeral qualities with which our minds imbue those abstractions. As we awaken to the fact that reality is a projection of the cosmic mind of which we all partake, we will begin to exercise more control over the nature of that projection. This will be an extension of psychosomatics to sensorium that is our world.
JD: Do you know anything about a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group, a group which was formed to integrate theories in "new" physics and remote viewing as these came to describe the nature of reality? In your opinion, how has quantum physics changed the modern view of reality, and what was the UFO's role in this?
DS: I don't know any group of just this name, but there are many folks doing this. I was once a 'quantum dualist' (i.e. the mind influences matter through the agency of quantum phase correlations). But once you have postulated a robust realm of the mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to view the world of physics as other than an abstract construction of the mind. The quantum may be weird, but UFOs are a lot more weird. With UFOs we are no longer talking physics. This is metaphysics with a vengeance. This is dream-time, not space-time. The UFOs are pulling the rug right out from under what we used to think of as our 'reality.' In the case of 'MJ-12,' with the best brains in the world it was like the cartoon of the fire alarm box. Behind the glass panel is a Bible. 'In case of emergency, break glass.' Now we know how MJ-12 felt. Imagine how much worse they felt when they opened the Bible to John 16:12 as I did one eventful morning about twenty years ago.
JD: This is interesting. I'm ashamed to say, I don't have a Bible in the house. Can you explain John 16:12 and the relevance it had for you on this morning?
DS: John 16:12-13: 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (KJV) This was the passage that came to my attention on the morning after I experienced the sing-song 'voice' of Sophia(?). For the last two millennia people have interpreted this passage in many different ways. I interpreted it as a help-wanted notice directed at me. The folks of 'MJ-12' concluding that an advent of this sort was being prognosticated by the Visitors have probably been anticipating this moment of truth with some trepidation.
JD: So, which came first, Chicken Little or the Eschaton?
DS: The Eschaton by about ten years.
JD: How would you characterize the relationship between your Eschaton and the Intelligence community? Are there parallel beliefs, motives or modus operandi?
DS: Along with the rest of the UFO community, I believe that we have been visited. I believe that this visitation was in preparation for a messianic event which is imminent. That event will inaugurate our Millennium of preparation leading up to the Eschaton. The Aviary is the part of the intelligence community most closely and publicly associated with the 'MJ12/Visitor' complex. The messianic event itself, however, must be as spontaneous and independent of 'MJ12' and the Visitors as is possible. Thus the intelligence community will have very little direct input in this matter. National and global security will be largely redefined under the Millennial Aeon.
JD: OK, can we clarify this a little? What do the Visitors and UFOs have to do with the "messianic event"? What is the relationship between the Visitor phenomenon and the Second Coming of the Messiah?
DS: I am suggesting that the Visitors could be playing several roles that would be relevant to a messianic event. They would be an off-world advance team helping in the preparation. This would involve alerting the powers-that-be to the inevitable advent of the Messiah, Millennium and Eschaton. They would convince those powers that it would not be in their interest to interfere in the cosmic plan. The Visitors might then negotiate with these powers in selecting a mutually acceptable individual for the role of Messiah. The Visitors might also be overseeing the 'abduction' phenomenon in as much as it could be part of the preparation for the Millennium.>
JD: Am I missing something here? Isn't there already a Messiah assigned to this role?
DS: This is a heterodox scenario. This is divine minimalism. Christians will be mightily disappointed, those who were expecting a figure in white robes to descend from the clouds. The idea is that we do not need theatrics this time around. There is a package deal. Whoever can convince the world of its immateriality and of the rationale for the Millennium and Eschaton, that person will be the Second Coming. Anyone who aspires to being this paradigm shifter should expect to play that role. I feel no need to apologize for personally wanting to put an end to the hegemony of materialism.
JD: You suggest that this messianic event must be separate from the Visitor phenomenon, meaning perceptually independent?
DS: Let's back up a bit. I am saying that we humans constitute a very significant aspect of the cosmic mind. The First and Second Coming, in particular, are designed to awaken humanity to their central role in the cosmic plan. We don't need to be told this, only reminded, so easily do we forget. Our memory only needs to be jogged a very little bit. Minimalism is the word when it comes to divine intervention, in keeping with the 'prime directive.' The perception of coercion is the very worst thing that could happen. If it appears that the cosmic plan is being imposed upon us, we would naturally react negatively. In reality this plan is of us, by us and for us. The messianic event is critical.
It may appear that I have just contradicted myself. From the previous response one might imagine a smoke filled room underground in Area 51 where the Visitors and MJ12 haggle over the identity of the Messiah to be 'imposed' on humanity. This hardly seems spontaneous. However, if these negotiations can be kept secret, then the intervention remains minimal. There can only ever be informed speculation as to what might have actually transpired. The 'designated' individual would have to convince her fellow humans as to the reasonableness of the hypothetical selection process.
JD: In your estimation, is it going to be possible to keep these events separate?
DS: The best I can do here is to give you a 'for instance.' Let's suppose that I was the selected one. My unusual interactions with Tom, and some other events, might lead me to suspect this to be the case. It would then be up to me, however, to make this case to the public, where it could be accepted or rejected. Even if some others could be convinced of this possibility, there would be no implied coercion in their acceptance of the outcome. If I were right, however, others would eventually come around to seeing and agreeing with the reasonableness of the choice, even if this occurred posthumously.
JD: What will be the difficulties in keeping these events independent of each other?
DS: This choreography has not been easy. It may well be that WWII and the Cold War were necessary antecedents. Without these antecedents, MJ12 and the Visitors could not have been kept even partially secret. Incidentally, I suspect also that John Kennedy may have gotten wind of the plan and that his Camelot initiative may have been his attempt to go public with this plan prematurely. This preemption was not considered sufficiently spontaneous and so it was itself preempted.
JD: You are under the impression that the military will have to back off for the Eschaton. In what way then will "national and global security" be redefined under the Millennial Aeon?
DS: The de-emphasizing and downsizing of all militaries will necessarily gain momentum into the Millennium. Once we can agree upon our common purpose and destiny, our energies will be turned from competition to cooperation. The implication is that capitalism will also be de-emphasized.
JD: But with the push toward the militarization of space by the military-industrial complex, this doesn't seem to be happening. The Space Command's "future vision" is that of "protecting" capitalist interests in space. Do you foresee an "about face" in this dangerous military co-opting of outer space?
DS: Tom has allowed me to believe that there is continuing monitoring and possibly the occasional interdiction of UFOs. Whether this might extend to 'Star Wars' I have no idea. He is involved with conventional space technology for military applications. Will the military continue to involve itself in self-serving, possibly risky adventures on various fronts? I have no doubt. Experience shows that the military is more averse to risk than the elected politicians who exploit it.
JD: Is this the reason for the recent empowering of the U.N.? Are you talking here about the inevitability of the "New World Order" paradigm?
DS: I am talking about the advent of God's Kingdom and about a New Heaven and a New Earth. As to who will play what roles, that is ultimately up to all of us to agree on. Anything that is shoved down our throats will likely come right back up.
JD: So then, can the chaos which characterizes the biblical Second Coming be partly described as a law and order breakdown?
DS: Let's hope and pray that we have seen the worst of the chaos/tribulation in this post-Cold War decade.
JD: In your web writings, you have stated the following: "If our world is a creation, it is a creation that has put us in a special isolation chamber: isolated from other intelligent creatures and from the creator. It would have to be a very special creation that does not give us the appearance of a special creation." You write: "Our isolation and the possibility of our uniqueness seem on the verge of gaining us a very hard-won solidarity." You ask, "Would the creator jeopardize that vital solidarity with an eleventh hour revelation of our expendability?" Do you believe that Earth humans will survive the Eschaton as a matter of our natural evolutionary progress, or is there some belief system we must adhere to in order to survive? Can you extrapolate on this a little bit?
DS: My cosmology is anthropocentric, in agreement with the prophetic tradition. I give very little credence to anything beyond the mere appearance of Darwinian evolution. I do not believe that the ETs are more advanced than we are. They are simply less material, more interdimensional. It is we who inherit the oversight of the cosmos. A Millennium is vouchsafed to us before the Eschaton. The Eschaton will mark the end of our linear space-time manifold. The final barriers to our consciousness will dissolve in that process. We become one with God, whatever that may entail. 'Sub specie aeternitas,' the human historical drama is seen as the central pillar of eternity. Time is the final illusion.
JD: Let's get back to your role in the Aviary. As a civilian networker for the Aviary, what types of information did you learn that most blew your mind? And how did this information affect your end-times beliefs?
DS: There has been a gradual realization that 'MJ12' and the Visitors are no longer playing a proactive role, and may no longer even exist here. This is the scariest piece of information that I can impart. Tom has been responsible for closing down the phenomenology and psychic warfare programs. He is also active in planning for the scaling back of the Navy and Air Force. It is reasonable to infer that he has similar duties relative to 'MJ12'. That may mean that I am a significant part of an effort to transfer the residual MJ12 responsibilities to the civilian sector. That is a sobering thought for myself and for any others who are inclined to participate.
JD: What do you mean by "the Visitors are no longer playing a proactive role, and may no longer even exist here"?
DS: The Visitors got their message across to those who needed to be informed. That was the point of their Earth mission. There may exist now a sequestered 'star gate' that can be activated for special purposes.
JD: Can you elaborate on your statement: "Tom has been responsible for closing down the phenomenology and psychic warfare programs." Are these two separate programs?
DS: Yes, they were. There continues to exist an informal, unofficial phenomenology network for monitoring uncorrelated phenomena. Some 'civilians' are involved. Psychic surveillance may now be a part of this network. I am probably still involved in some fashion, but I have no specifics.
JD: By "psychic surveillance" I presume you mean remote viewing. So then there is an information network which relies solely on psychic means of gathering info on UFOs? Is this work performed by remote viewing organizations such as Courtney Brown's Farsight Institute and others?
DS: It was not uncommon for remote viewers to be given UFO type targets. There is ample evidence that the remote viewing program that was closed down in the mid-90s was not the only government-sponsored effort. It stands to reason that the government continues to use psychic means to monitor UFO activity. However, I do not know that the 'phenomenology network' is directly involved in any such effort.
JD: What do you mean by "programs"? Who was responsible for instituting them?
DS: The official remote viewing program has been extensively researched and reported on. The inter-agency Phenomenology Group was taken over by Tom and converted into an informal network.
JD: In your estimation, what is the reason for the scaling back of the armed forces?
DS: I am under the impression that the Cold War served as a cover and as an entr� for the Visitors to co-opt the powers-that-be in the fulfillment of the cosmic plan. The reality of the cosmic plan is now used in persuading other leaders to curtail their military ambitions; however, I have no idea what means of verification might be involved.
JD: Why does there appear to be a "backing off" of the "proactive" stance which has been part of Ufology for so long?
DS: I am referring mainly to the Visitors proper. The unofficial story is that three Visitors participated in sequential ten-year stints as guests of the U.S. government. That episode is now over, their mission having been accomplished.
JD: So then do you propose that the government has been advised that we have no choice but to allow preordained "events" take their course?
DS: Yes.
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