T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures

This thread is a copy/paste from the original Open Minds Forum archive, viewable here.

In March 2006, the original Admin Team of OMF began receiving disclosure related emails from an Anonymous source. They identified themselves as an international group of associates with insider connections and a mutual interest in Disclosure.

At that time, the OMF Admin Team comprised of; Admin-Bren, Jeddyhi-John, Surfer Doc, Ufonaut-Lee, Ivo5000-Chris and myself-Jake Reason.

We called them the T.C. Group, with TC standing for "The Clues" which was a name they used in reference to themselves and their email contents.

T.C. asked us to post the information publicly on the forum.

However we were deeply involved with SERPO at the time and were hesitant to release the information over concerns that it may disrupt the forum and the SERPO releases, which were still on-going, at that time.

'Behind the scenes' we did some checking and verification on the sender and the information. Based on those results and feedback from a few professional Ufologers, we decided that the T.C Disclosures contained potential validity and importance. However still felt it best not to divert our forum away from the on-going SERPO releases.

In May 2006, two months after our first email receipt from them, two people signed on to the forum as members.

Their avatars were "dickhelmsghost" and "casper". Their posts indicated to us that they were part of the T.C. Group. And it was evident to us that they were signaling us "to get on with it".

And so on May 13, 2006 we collectively agreed to do just that.
Bren-Administrator began copying the body of their emails to the forum.

Copied here below, February 14, 2013

T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures
« Thread Started on May 13, 2006, 12:40pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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As you may already know, we have at the 'OM' Forum been developing a team of researcher who specialise in UFO /Alien disclosure.

Although we have specialised in getting to the bottom of the SERPO disclosures, we have also been in contact with a number of other sources, who also have disclosure information.

Certainly, since the beginning of 2006, the 'disclosure movement' has moved up 'a-pace'.

The disclosures being looked at here are exclusive to OM - and the source, for now will be referred to as 'TC'.

We have been sitting on the TC disclosures since March 2006. We do not apologise for doing so, rather we wanted to undertake some clandestine research instead of muddying the Serpo waters even more.

We now think it is time for the TC disclosures to sink or swim on their own merit.

We present below the entire disclosures to date, and will up date them as and when they develop.

The thread will be locked to ensure only the pure data gets published, however, feel free to open threads to address which ever aspects you want to discuss / analyze.

You will recognise some of this, as someone within TC registered here and posted some edited content on the main serpo thread.

It now has its own place.

Note: 'Charlie' and 'Lucy' may refer to the Schultz 'large headed' characters of the period. NASA, also use the 'Peanuts' terms for a lot of their project code names.


« Last Edit: May 19, 2006, 12:13pm by Admin »

Re: TC - Disclosures
« Reply #1 on May 13, 2006, 12:44pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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Originally passed to the OM Research Team in March 2006

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"I have been instructed to pass the following information on to you per my dear friends last request. You must bear with me as the information was relayed to me in his final days while on various medications and a morphine drip. Many words were slurred and his memory was failing, so he referred to a journal at times, which I now have in my possession. He kept dozing and I would have to remind him where he left off. May God rest his soul.

You may come to find the information somewhat shocking and unable to understand as ****** has. I pray the Almighty will look out for the inhabitants of this planet as the coming years will bring much misery. I pass on this information in the hope that you, as an unbiased observer, will make sure the public learns the truth.

All space programs are a cover that exists to deceive the people of this world. We have a space fleet, which is codenamed� Solar Warden.� There were, as of 2005, eight ships, an equivalent to aircraft carriers and forty-three �protectors,� which are space planes. One was lost recently to an accident in Mars' orbit while it was attempting to re-supply the multinational colony within Mars. This base was established in 1964 by American and Soviet teamwork. Not everything is, as it seems.

We have visited all the planets in our solar system, at a distance of course, except Mercury. We have landed on Pluto and a few moons. These ships contain personnel from many countries and have sworn an oath to the World Government, also, known as the Bilderbergers. The technology came from back engineering alien-disc wreckage and at times with alien assistance.

The oil supply on Earth is and always has been renewable. We have known this since 1948 (he may have said 1958). The wars, diseases and oil crisis are just to keep the public from focusing on the real issues of government control and a presence not of this planet. We have the technology to rid the world of oil dependency and hunger, but it would destroy the world�s economies and the profits and control of some of our wealthiest families. I find this horrifying that 20+ families can control our world.

A few world government leaders learned of ALF's, but with the approaching war, it became a low priority. ALF has since been renamed ABE and now EBE. (checks journal) Detlev Bronk came up with the EBE name and it has been used henceforth. These EBE's were first seen around 1937 in Sweden and later Axis and Allied pilots reported seeing balls of light. These were the EBE probes, later called �Foo Fighters� during World War II. The Nazi�s were the first to retrieve a crashed disc in 1939.

These EBE's set up numerous underground bases on our planet to monitor our progress. We have been in contact with four different EBE civilizations. Three are benevolent and unfortunately, one is not. The malevolent EBE's have abducted many of us to help their dying race. We the human population are their experiment. They have made human clones that lack consciences and hybrids. For some reason, we have yet to identify, they are unable to clone themselves. Their intent is to take over this planet and use us as a food source to prolong their lives and as slaves. Factions within our government are even attempting to aide these creatures.

We have been in communication with these, now known, hostile EBE�s since 1953. This was after seventeen more alien-disc crashes and retrievals by our military, along with sixty-eight dead EBEs and body parts from Earthly animals and humans. The outskirts of Laredo, Texas was the location of the last crashed alien-disc. This disc was enormous and could not be transported, so it was buried were it lay and still is to this day. Another survivor was taken prisoner in 1951, and we nicknamed her Lucy, also, known as EBE-2. She confirmed the same information as our first prisoner, Charlie.





I forgot to explain how our prisoner, Charlie, came to be in our control. He was the only survivor from two crash sites. (checks journal) One was south of Roswell, New Mexico on Pine Lodge Farm, and the other near Azteca, New Mexico that our military retrieved in 1947. A civilian found the EBEs. His name was (checks journal) Gerald Anderson and he gave the EBEs water, which they rubbed on their bodies, but they refused food that was offered to them. The military, later, discovered the Pine Lodge Farm crash site and took Mr. Anderson and two of his family members to Roswell�s base for interrogation. They were threatened with death due to the national security issues at that time.

The living EBEs were being taken to Roswell and then transferred to facility YY-ll (I think that�s what he said) at Los Alamos. One of them began having a seizure and died. The three EBE remains were carefully packaged and frozen. Los Alamos was the only facility around that had a freezer that could hold the three bodies. Two Army Air Force personnel stationed at Roswell Army Air Base died within days from exposure when trying to crate the craft's wreckage. We later confirmed it to be from radiation poisoning. Precautions were taken and the EBE bodies and discs were flown to Wright-Patterson.

We learned that the EBE-1, later called Charlie, was an engineer. He had a device attached to his diadem that allowed him to communicate with us. Charlie was deceptive at first. We learned he did not like the temperature below 77 degrees Fahrenheit, so we used that to our advantage and manipulated the heating system to get him to talk. He began to divulge an incredible tale. To this day, we are still not sure if all is true, as it could destroy man's faith in religion and our understanding of this universe.

Their race is from a planet called Seinu and is in the Zeta Reticuli system (this is now their adopted home-?). (I�m trying to get him to tell me, again, where they originally came from) Their birth planet is in the Betelgeuse System, but is now uninhabitable. They were peaceful and traded with another race in a nearby star system. War broke out between them 3900 years ago Earth time (could not understand the name of the race, will ask later). They destroyed their enemy and in the process lost their home due to the use of genetic weapons. All plant and animal life began to die as well as their people. They found that over a few hundred years, the genetic weapons had begun to alter their offspring (? I believe that is what he said) and no longer could they reproduce or eat as they once had. Their physical features changed as well.

They are grayish-white in color with a scaly body and about 3-4� feet tall. The scales were very tiny similar to a white snake. Teardrop shaped head with large, slanted cat eyes, a large protruding nose and a slit for a mouth. Lips were not seen on the mouth, but they had tiny sharp teeth. The Seinuvians seemed fragile with a thin neck supporting such a large head. They also had two arms with four fingers on each hand that had a suction cup on the end of the fingers. There bodies tapered down their legs to two feet with four toes that had claw nails similar to dog�s nails. When they turned, the entire body turned in unison. I don�t believe they could swivel their heads. (fell asleep)

They began to explore planets in other star systems until they found Seinu, with what remained of their species. As time passed, they discovered Earth and wanted to construct an Last-Post, but their leaders decided against it for unknown reasons. Charlie did state that they returned many times for the natural resources and to watch the advances of our people. We call them Seinuvians, at least this is what we have learned to call them as we are unable to pronounce their name.

(He jumps back to Lucy) Charlie and Lucy were allowed to see each other, although no words were spoken. We found it rather odd they enjoyed touching each other�s heads. It may be a hug or affection in their terms. (checks journal) We allowed them two hours a day to visit. Some of our scientists and military personnel believed they were able to communicate telepathically, even though they were housed in different buildings within the facility. Our scientists set up experiments to block their telepathic waves and were successful by February of �52, using radar. This information was used later to bring down more discs, until they figured out what we were up to and were able to defend against it.

Charlie and Lucy tried to explain that they needed a liquid food source to sustain them. We started out by grinding chicken parts and then blending it with the chicken blood. This made them both ill. We later tried pigs and I believe horses, but eventually found cows suited them the best. Both Lucy and Charlie would rub the blended liquid on their bodies and we could see the liquid being absorbed into their scaly skin. Charlie mentioned the genitals and eyes were a favorite of theirs. (fell asleep)

(After he woke, I reminded him where we left off) Somehow, (I think he said a rouge group within the government allowed) the Seinuvians to know we had Lucy and Charlie, and they wanted them back, but in our arrogance, we refused. The UFO reports in the New Mexico area, at that time, were actually scout ships looking for their survivors. As a warning to show their superiority over us, they began to interfere with our missile and (rocket-?) tests. We nearly had a nuclear explosion in NY, where we housed two nuclear weapons in a well-known university. The Seinuvians triggered the timing mechanism on one of the devices for a few seconds as a warning to us.

(checks journal) After numerous, unsuccessful attempts to intercept the UFO�s with Scorpions and Starfires, we realized that we were in a pickle. We had some recovered technology and weapons systems from the alien-disc wreckage, but we were still in the experimental stages and we didn�t want to tip our hat to them. We did not have the mechanical or scientific understanding to duplicate their technology at that time.

In April of �52, Charlie began having health problems and died. Lucy was allowed to see his body and began to make high-pitched wailing sounds. She may have been grieving or conducting a ritual. Her health became a concern as well.

Our decision was finally made after a fleet of UFO�s flew over the (checks journal) White House, Capitol Building and the Department of Defense on July 19th, 1952 and, again, on July 25th, 1952. President Truman, finally, ordered the military to make contact to arrange the release of Lucy. Truman, in �52, asked the CIA and later the NSA to broadcast a message to the Seinuvians that we wanted to discuss a treaty. This became known as Project Sigma and it was successful. In �53, the military formed �Alpha Teams� to find and retrieve crashed discs and any aliens found at the crash site. This was called Project ------- Project Pounce.

President Eisenhower comes aboard in �53 as I did. When he realized the threat was real, he contacted the Soviets, British and a few other trustworthy heads of state. Later this became the Bilderberger group. They met to discuss the threat and decided to work on weapons to bring down these creatures. In 1954, Eisenhower met the delegation of Seinuvians at Murdoc in California. Lucy was returned to her people and a treaty was signed to allow the abduction of a few thousand humans for an exchange of technology. A list was to be kept, so we could track these people following their abductions.

By �55 we realized the Seinuvians had broken the treaty. Tens of thousands of people had been taken, some, multiple times. Others were not returned or found mutilated along with an increase in cattle mutilations. This is when I first learned that cow�s blood is very similar to human blood and can, in emergencies, be used as a substitute. They continued to interfere with our military installations and missile tests.

The Soviet Union and the U.S. had recovered 10 more discs and 27 more bodies. One disc blew up in the air at the Proving Grounds. Some of the alien bodies had autopsies performed on them. We found they did not have a digestive system, just a sac that allowed the storage of the food they absorbed through their scaly skin. Their blood was green in color and gave off an offensive odor. They also did not have kidneys or bladders.

Eisenhower believed the only way to defeat the alien technology was to play along with them until we could defend ourselves against them. By �56 we had a surprise visit by a second alien group. They were called the Etherians, we called them the handsome people. They were humanoid and tall, probably 6�-3� to 6�- 6� and had athletic bodies. Many of the military men had to be dismissed, as they could not stop staring at the Etherian women. They warned us that the Seinuvians were hostile and were attempting to genetically engineer our race to fit their needs. They would help us if we would destroy all nuclear weapons and attempt to become a peaceful race. We refused and thanked them. They did leave a communication device with us if we changed our minds.

When Kennedy came into office, he was anything but shocked. He knew about the alien presence and the discs we had in our possession. He forced our military to release pieces of the alien technology to companies around the U.S. to back-engineer. The companies were told the technology was from the Soviets or Chinese. He later threatened to disband the CIA if they did not stop the drug trafficking and warned he was going to announce to the American people that aliens were real and felt they were ready for the information to be released. As you know he was murdered. Oswald was not the shooter, nor did he fire a single shot. It was members of the Secret Service and CIA, under orders from the Bilderbergers. Kennedy became the second martyr to date following the murder of James Forrestal. I want it to be known that I did not agree with either murder and was not involved in any way, shape or form and only learned about them after the murders. I truly liked Kennedy; he was an honest man except for his many affairs, which I cannot fault him.

There is much more to disclose to you, but I will leave that to ****** to take care of after my death. I did want to discuss this load of manure called Project Serpo. The true name is Project Serponia. I guess someone shortened it to make it sound more interesting. We did train personnel as astronauts during that time frame, but I do stress that under no circumstance did we exchange our men for theirs. We already knew what they were capable of and would not put our men in harms way. The project was to fool anyone from discovering the truth and lead them on a wild goose chase. You may find it interesting that the group disclosing this false information is only seeking monetary gains and fame. This aviary group and disinformation group are the ringleaders in this charade. I am astonished that no one to date has checked the military background of Victor Martinez.

It�s quite hilarious to see so many gullible people jump at straws. This Ryan fellow is just a patsy that got in the way and has now twisted the events to fit his cult project. Most of the information he has released from the so-called Anon #2 is not even in the Serponia files. I believe he has made them up or has had help from others. On the other hand, Anon #1 was quoting from the Serponia files, which is still false information with some truth included. ****** will pass on the remaining information I have for you, but not until this Serpo baloney is put to rest.



My dear friend has passed. He did leave much more information to send to you at a later time. This includes copies of his journal. For my own safety, I have copied all information and sealed them in accordion folders and have given them to (removed) people who I can trust. You will be #(removed) if you so desire, but I must warn you, it could cause you serious harm if a certain group was to find out. [...] All information from me will have this included as a code to let you know it�s me ------ "

« Last Edit: May 13, 2006, 1:49pm by Admin »

Re: TC - Disclosures
« Reply #2 on May 13, 2006, 12:48pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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Passed to the OM Research Team - 03 April 2006

"(name removed),



I must apologize for my grandson's harsh behavior. He's worried and was trying to protect my family and me. (removed)



What my grandson told you was correct. They can search all they want, but shall never find the journal. It�s in a safe place. We have a tail, as my grandson puts it, that follows us around town and even a helicopter was seen above us twice. It is just for little old me, what a waste of taxpayer�s money.



I have brought my wife home and we now have made it our mission to bring out the truth my friend, hereafter known as "J", provided us. We are quite nervous and hope that in some way you may be able to help us in the near future.



At "J's" funeral, we were astonished at the site of many distinguished people. As I was preparing to leave, a man approached and said verbatim, "Mr. *******, I am truly sorry for the loss of your friend. He will be missed by many." He then took my hand into both of his and shook it. As he did, he slipped a sheet of paper into the cuff of my shirtsleeve. As he turned to walk away, he said, "Goodbye Mr. *******," and winked his eye.



I have never seen this man before and was uneasy as to his intensions. As I climbed into the limousine, I pulled the note out and read the message. It was an address, date, time and a sequence of numbers. My wife told me to throw it away. I must admit, (name removed), that I was curious and felt a need to learn why I was given this message, so I went.



You may be to young, but I use to listen to the mystery shows on the radio as a young man. It was such an adventure to imagine you in the hero�s role fighting the evil. My how things have changed. I do not care for television, as I believe it corrupts our children.



Two days following the funeral I went as instructed and brought along a friend who is a retired police captain He has a permit to carry a firearm, which made me feel safe. We drove the thirty minutes to the city where we came to a five-story building with a security gate. My friend took the message and punched in the sequence of numbers written on the bottom of the note. The gate opened and we drove up a ramp into a parking garage. We walked over towards the elevator and my friend tried the stairwell door, but it was locked. The elevator started moving, but we could not activate it due to a box similar to a credit card scanner that was on the wall. I guess you needed a special card.



The elevator opened and the same man, who had given me the message, waived us into the elevator. There must have been a hidden camera near the doors. He turned a key and we went up to the fifth floor I believe. Another man was standing there when the doors opened. He asked me to raise my arms and proceeded to frisk me. My friend was not frisked and was told to sit on the couch near an office door. The first man escorted me into the same office and that�s when I saw an earpiece on his right ear. Secret Service?



I was told to walk into another office and I opened the door and two men were sitting on a long couch. I�ll tell you, (removed), I would never of guessed it would have been someone from the WH administration. PW and BM asked me not to use their names, only their initials, due to government computer tracking software. They stood up as I approached them. We shook hands and for the next three hours we discussed �J�s� journal, information that is not in the journal and what is to happen following the meeting.



We have friends now that can help! They knew about �J� and how he wanted the public to know about some of the things he shared with you. I am still breathless over this meeting. PW gave me a sheet with the items we had discussed, so I wouldn�t forget. He also asked that you release the information I originally gave you, � to start the ball rolling,� as he put it. The information is to be put on your Serpo forum. On the sheet it has proboards21, do you know what that is? I do not own a computer and must rely on others to transfer information to you, as I am doing with this message.

They seemed to know your whereabouts and even mentioned you were a (removed). Is this true? They knew too much in my opinion.



Anyway, they asked me to mention the following:



� About 3,000 years ago, the Seinuvians had a coup that allowed their military to take control. They were prevented from taking control of Earth by another group of aliens, but did establish small military Last-Posts.

� Pyramids throughout the world were for sacrifices to appease the Gods, who turned out to be the Seinuvians. They used the blood and bodies as a food source.

� Genetic modifications of our food source to prevent the Seinuvians from abducting our people and cattle.

� Altering our water supply to prevent them from using our water sources.

� At least 63-underground/underwater alien bases on Earth.

� Movement of troops and weapons to prepare for the alien invasion due to start in a few years. God, I hope this is not true.

� Seinuvians have begun to alter our weather to warm the planet for their needs. Global warming, melting polar ice caps and increases in CO2 and ultraviolet light.

� A genetically engineered human, created by the Seinuvians that has a conscience. He escaped and is trying to aid our world. He is extremely intelligent and telepathic. They call him J-Rod. Have you heard of this? Seems far-fetched to me.

� Asteroid was sent towards Earth by the Seinuvians only to be destroyed by the Etherians. Another race of aliens, which I believe "J" mentioned before. I�ll have to look when I see the journal again.





(name removed), I will send the rest of the information to you from �J� as soon as I can get access to the journal again. I feel as though I�m on a roller coaster ride. Scared, excited and wondering about what is to come next and hoping not all the above is true. Until next time my friend. "

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Re: TC - Disclosures
« Reply #3 on May 13, 2006, 12:51pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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Passed to the OM Research Team - 11th May 2006

"(name removed),

If you will go through the information I sent a while back, you will see that I did mention an asteroid that was sent towards Earth. This asteroid was later confirmed to be comet SW3. Our friends diverted this danger causing it to break apart. If you check NASA's web site, they confirm that this comet was not in an area with that amount of external force to cause it to separate and are still puzzled.

Tracy, California - August of '98, a "protector" lost one of of the three coils in the engine and began to emit a green vapor. It began to descend and glide back towards California, trying to make it to Edwards. Unable to reach that point, it turned towards the Livermore Lab. As it approached, F-16s were sent to intercept this bogey. Security forces from the lab fired upon the plane with a lazer cannon, which had been developed three years earlier. The plane began to spin and both pilots ejected safely. The crash site was just outside the lab boundaries, near a school.

The owner of a nearby tire recycling plant witnessed the episode and went to help. Security forces and the military from the lab responded and told him to leave. A half hour later, his tire recycle plant was set on fire as a diversion to keep the public from the area. The owner saw them setting the fires and tried to stop them only to die from a heart attack. Two large tractor trailers were brought in and the wreckage was removed while others repaired the damage. Local reports were that it had been a meteorite, but no one bothered to check out the story. Numerous witnesses and still not talked about. Three separate sources have sent this information to me, each from a different agency.


Cape Girardeau - Pre Roswell 1941. The first true crash of an exterestial vehicle. Leo Stringfield and later Tim Cooper wrote about this story. You can check out the information yourselves. What wasn't reported was that the exteresstial vehicle was repaired in 1942 and flown by our military, only they crashed and destroyed it. It was going to be used as a psychological tool against the axis powers. What the allies didn't know was that Germany had retrived a disc in '39. The three occupants were the same Seinuvian race discussed in my prior e-mails.

As I explained to (name removed) earlier, Slyvester is an alias. Tacitus is a shill.



More to come."

Re: TC - Seinu Disclosures
« Reply #4 on May 18, 2006, 8:14am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:15:31 -0700

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The information is authentic and verified. I'm told that the IP is ours, but we did not authorize the release. A virus was found attached to software and something was stolen from us and sent to an unknown source. In the process, a draft were sent out as well. We were tracking down other witnesses (non military) who would publicly verify the accounts were indeed true when this happened. In the pipeline, we have very bright computer experts that have worked for the very same ones that may have done this. The IP that you see is not where the information is being relayed. I think they called it IP bouncing or ricochet.



[removed] - [removed] spoke with someone in our pipeline last night and relayed your message and offer. Thank you, but from my standpoint, people are not ready for that amount of information to be dumped into their laps. We, as a human race, are not ready. From what I have been told, there is, too, much bickering and fighting between investigating groups. And with that statement, the same can be said for the forums. Numerous Intel and investigation group members frequent these forums to disrupt and drop hints and lead you away from the subject at hand. We will not allow "J's" information to be twisted in this manner and it goes against his initial request.


[removed], Mods and members of the forum - "J" did not want his information to be released until the other was done, but in my haste and urging from others, including PW, I went ahead and sent some information to Lucianarchy per "J's" request. That was a mistake. I'm being told that instead of investigating the incidents themselves, certain people spout out nonsense as fact. A little digging would show that we are correct, as we have spent the time investigating and talking to numerous witnesses.

Many have, in fact, verified the information presented to you. We now have over 100+ assets and growing each day that have confirmed about one-third of the journal logs. At this point we can tell you the information released to date is accurate, except for one detail. The number of e-races now exceeds twenty. I cannot explain why "J" knew of only four. All we have are hunches.

An example of our search for truth is the fact that we have 2,027 pictures in our possession. Out of those 1,623 are fakes. The rest were given to an expert to run tests and she found that 394 do not come from the period indicated or were proven to be doctored in some manner. That leaves us with the original 10 pictures that "J" had given to me. But we have to assume they are fakes as well until witnesses can either confirm them or we find collaborating evidence. Do you see the problem we face? Either we give in to your desires and contribute to the problem or we release evidence based on proof and witnesses. We will always choose proof.


Due to my health, I'm spending my last few months traveling with my wife and seeing my family and friends. I will be passing on all control to others. If they choose to communicate with you, then, you will receive word soon. If not, then you can imagine why, based on what they have told me. To doubt is logical and sane, but at some point you must realize the truth has been before you the entire time.

My last information:


Only one-third of all sightings and abductions are by EBEs. The rest can be traced back to the dark-half of our governments. We have boxes of documents sent to us stating that tests and abductions were done mainly at night, but they were so bold as to believe people would believe they were UFOs/aliens that they now do these tests and abductions during daylight hours as well.


September of '65 - Exeter, New Hampshire - One of the retrieved discs was test flown by a contingent of American and British military pilots. After nearly colliding with a few moving vehicles, it managed to land hard behind a row of trees and near a set of railroad tracks. One pilot broke his neck and died, two others were seriouly injured. Another pilot took control of the damaged disc and flew it at a near 135-degree angle back to Pease Air Force Base. This disc was not repaired and flown again until '75 when our technology was able to duplicate the technology of the part needed. Many witnesses, some are former military men that were at the base when the disc returned, one of the pilots and eight civilians that witnessed the incident.


From everything we are able to find and told by witnesses, J-rod's blood is the key. Teams of scientists using his blood have conducted RNA/DNA manipulation on many humans. Many of the abducted are children, as they have less contamination in their systems and are less likely to struggle. Pregnant women are also tested to see the effects on the unborn fetuses in early terms. The sperm of men were not affected and all tests with men have ceased and the subjects terminated.


It's not what's above, but below that matters.

49 17 11.20 N

124 10 04.92 W


I wish all the best in seeking out your own truth, but you may not like what you find in the end!


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Re: T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures
« Reply #5 on Jun 9, 2006, 2:32pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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I have been asked NOT to divulge the contents of the last communique from 'TC', which arrived yesterday. However, I can tell you that it contained some extraordinary information - although it was not about disclosure or the alien presence. Please don't be cross about the withholding of the content, as I am bound by their OWN wishes for the development of the Seinu disclosures. Given what happened to Serpo, I will respect that 100%.

"[...]Just let your members know that we are still here and we will be in touch in due time.[...]"

11th June 06 - Closure (for now?)
« Reply #6 on Jun 11, 2006, 11:51am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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I'm saddened to inform you that Serpo, Serponia, Seinu and anything else you want to call it has turned out to be a test of sorts by the dark side.

We were given an audience with a former high-ranking
official and for more than two hours he explained the purpose and the feedback it has given this group.

As we had figured out before, the higher your clearance the
more truth you were allowed to receive.

Unfortunately, the dark side also had a suspicion,
this started during the early �60�s, that a few people with high
clearances were divulging secrets, by word of mouth or acts of treason by screening classified material. To counter it, they would allow �employees� to learn of a false top-secret project
or information. Depending on where the �employee� was working, he/she learned of this particular project/information
and if a leak occurred, it could be traced back to that group of �employees� only.

They devised a setup that was two-fold in its release.

1- would show how the material was leaked to the outside and by whom.

2- once the material was released, track the flow and study where it may lead. It was a bonus to them when these projects hit the Internet and they learned the identities of those viewing the information and for study in the near future tests.

Now, notice I said near future. This is in part due to more of these types of setups that are going on at this time and more to come. There is truth n all this and it will be explained below.

Some members of the Bird group are involved and were told of these tests. Please note: the rest of these birds are innocent and just as clueless. We don�t know who fits into which
category and he would not divulge this information. Damn, he would only smile and it P'd us off.

The reason we asked for a meeting with him was due to us catching an asset trying to pass off a third story, which we knew to be fake. We put 2 and 2 together and realized what was happening, but we wanted to verify this revelation and regrettably it has been proven true.

Now, the good news that you may know by now is that in all this comes some truth, at least in �J�s� case. This was not told to us, but rather he would smile if our question was confirmed and not if it was negative or false. It took us a minute or two to figure out what he was attempting and again this P'd us off regarding the game, but we needed his responses. After about 5 minutes of questions he halted the proceedings, wished us the best
and escorted us to the front door. The questions and responses are listed here.

Q - Was �J� involved in all these agencies as stated in his journal
and as
we tried to discuss with you?

A - Smile.

Q - Are there space-based aircraft?

A - Smile.

Q - Are they called protectors?

A - No smile.

Q - Are they known by other names?

A - Smile.

Q - Is the project/mission still called Solar Warden?

A - No smile.

Q - Was it ever called Solar Warden?

A - No smile.

Q - Did one of these damaged space-based aircraft crash trying to land at Livermore Lab in 1998?

A - Smile.

Q - Was it shot down as being an unidentified aircraft?

A - Smile.

Q - Was this due to its� speed and location?

A - Shrugged his shoulders.

Q - Did they mistake it for a missile?

A - No smile.

Q - Was a laser used to shoot it down?


A - Smile.

Q - Was this space-based aircraft trying to land on the road that runs along the perimeter of Livermore Lab?

A - Shrugged his shoulders and smiled.

Q - Have we back engineered craft, disks, ships that are not� let�s put it this way, not from this planet?

A - Smile.

Q - Are we flying some of these recovered craft, disks and ships?

A - Smile.

Q - Are we being visited, the planet Earth that is, by multiple EBE
species?

A - Smile.

Q - More than 20?

A - Smile.

Q - Are some hostile towards us?

A - Smile.

Q - Is one of these EBE species from the Zeta Reticuli system?

At this point his facial expression changed and as we stated above, he rose, wished us the best and walked us to the front door without uttering another sound. I�m not sure if it was the question or he disliked something we did.

We have always said that we stand for disclosing the truth. In this instance, the truth is discouraging, but there�s a positive side as well. �J� was well respected and this pompous man confirmed �J�s� information to be true except for Seinu. What he didn�t confirm is what we were attempting to ask above.

We did learn some interesting facts regarding
disinformation internet websites and Ufo groups, which I will discuss at another time.

I�m tired and today's round-trip plane ride took its toll on me, but
you needed this information ASAP. We will circle the wagons for now and go back to square one just to make sure we aren�t being fooled once again, but I doubt that.

I don�t have the heart to inform [code removed] due to his condition. It may be humane to let him pass on believing in Seinu.

[removed], we are sorry this has caused a bump in the road. It was verified with assets, but we know now they were from the same area this fake project was released from. In the end some truth was revealed and that is always a victory. We do have the rest of �J�s� material (not Seinu) and other information that was sent to us, but in light of what has happened, we will need a new system to verify before releasing. We will be in touch, but
it may be awhile.

[code removed]


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Epilogue
« Reply #7 on Jun 11, 2006, 3:07pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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...and so, with the latest from TC Group resolving the current 'disclosure' regarding serpoinia / seinu as a 'test' of sorts(!), it brings the circle to a close once again. We have postulated the 'water temperature test' a few times - and so it seems we were correct - at least in respect of 'Seinu / serpo'. What did come out of this was some confirmation that, again, the core contains some truth, but splashed all over with disinfo-juice!

They allude to some of the machinations going on behind the scenes which relate to the disclosure process. And I can confirm that the penultimate communique from the TC Group did contain some extraordinary information regarding recent events which relate to the 'serpo politics' / ATS / cointelpro and disinfo. As soon as they give permission to release the full details, you will see it here first. I am bound by their instructions - and given how the 'seinu' disclosures developed - by giving them a free platform and compartmented and protected media - we were ALL able to watch the story unfold free from sabotage and meddling from outside forces.

As I said in the Serpo thread recently:

FWIW, I don't think there is much truth to Serpo released data. Although I
do think the core is true, in particular the exchange program.

Ernie Kellerstrass , 'Hawk', has said that "we had 12 more humans ready for
an exchange program departing on April 24th 1997". Note the word "more".

'Raven' (JJ Angleton) also mentioned the exchange program. "They have been
here, and we have been there." He said that contact goes back to the 1930's.
Roswell happened, but not as is known - one Eben which survived went 'back'
during the Holloman 1964 mutual contact program.

Apparently, we are still (or up until recently) in contact with one species,
the Ebens who are 20-25000 years ahead of us. It takes "22 days. It's not 11
up and 11 back. Our sending takes longer than theirs." - 'Sparrow'.

So this all reinforces, for me, that there most definitely IS a 'water test' going on right now, and as long as we 'play by the rules', we can expect further and more intriguing disclosures as time progresses. You, the reader, contributer, are part of this historic process, and how you react / respond is up to you - however, please be mindful of the responsibilities which come with any involvement and hopefully we can progress away from suspicion, mistrust, meddling and deception and into a brighter future which should shed light about Life through the cosmos, and hopefully, - in Peace.

IMO.

Questions answered.
« Reply #8 on Jun 13, 2006, 7:34pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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OMRT: The co-ordinates you allude to, what do they relate to? I have checked on grid refs etc,. some clues to poss us navy, but that's it. Could you enlighten me further?

TC: These coordinates were from two Canadian fishermen (who happened to witness strange lights enter the water in this vicinity at night and disappear), a Canadian asset (military, who confirmed a deep underwater entrance) and later confirmed by a British naval officer who was aboard an American vessel in this area during a joint U.S./Canadian torpedo test when an alert was broadcasted. All personnel were confined to the interior of the ship and the sonar and radar were ordered shut off. He wasn't able to see what was occurring outside, but the ship began rocking, tossing some against the walls. After nearly an hour, all personnel were ordered back to their stations, but the sonar and radar were kept off. That night while he was having a smoke, he witnessed a small glowing object leave the water from that location and disappear. When he reported this to the American executive officer, he was pulled aside and told it was a planet and not to start rumors on his ship. We could not release this until the Canadian asset gave us the green-light.

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July 28th 2006
« Reply #9 on Jul 28, 2006, 2:45pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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(removed)

"A few of us have returned from (removed) in which we viewed evidence a Colonel had in his possesion. We were amazed at the material, which included a 40-minute long video of an American or Russian military recovery team seizing two Grey bodies and parts from a downed disc. Incredibly no words were spoken, only hand movements. They then boarded an unknown and unmarked helicopter and began flying off when the helicopter disappeared!!! Possible cloaking??? After ten minutes the disc exploded and shrapnel flew everywhere. We are in negotiations to obtain this information, but this Colonel wants a lot of $$$$$$ and we need to make sure the video is not a hoax. He is, also, negotiating with a news crew from the US. I'm not sure who they represent.

We are working on a few things, but need to verify with other sources. I'll let you know this much, Serpo may be true regarding going to this planet, but we have only found evidence that [...](removed) Please keep that part secret as we need to verify with many other sources. The Russians, also, sent a few people to this planet three years later and our Russian contact might be able to get us documentation.

We are happy to hear you are recovering well. Our best to you.
(removed)"

« Last Edit: Jul 28, 2006, 2:46pm by Admin »

18.08.06
« Reply #10 on Aug 19, 2006, 4:12pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------


[removed]

Just wanted to keep in touch and let you know what's happening.

The video of an Alpha Team recovery has been bought by a businessman from Venezuela and last we heard, he was in Cuba with Chinese military personnel.

Our Russian asset sent word to us that everything has been locked down. He is worried that something is about to happen, due to military deployments and heightened alerts. His grandson is aboard one of their submarines, which received an emergency deployment last week. We haven't heard from him in two weeks since we received his message.

Many of our other military assets have also been placed on alert status. Eight of which have been restricted to their bases. Six others have been told to stay within their city limits (near their bases) until further notice. Some of the other assets have not received an alert, but did report an increase in training for A2A tactics. We are unsure if this is just a drill or if something is known and being prepared for.


We spoke to two assets that have some knowledge of what is happening with SETI and have confirmed that Dr. Greer's story does have some truth. There are two signals that have been received more than once. One has been traced to the planet Mars. Not a surprise!! The other is either a signal that has been boosted in strength from its location or the signal is getting closer to Earth. N/#/S/#/A/#/ has also been snooping around the facility.

Now, I saved the best for last. We believe we have found one of the alternate astronauts and are in communication with a middleman of sorts, who is figuring out a way to approach this individual and have him sit down and chat with us. We will keep you posted.


[removed]

Wed, 23 Aug 2006
« Reply #11 on Aug 23, 2006, 10:06pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------

From the TC group: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:47:13 -0700



Although we approve of anonymous' efforts to disclose truth, we feel they did not verify all the information. It's our opinion that roughly 60 % of the information is accurate and a third of that was common knowledge.



The e-mail below was received from an asset, who was an assistant/colleague of one of those mentioned in the latest releases by anonymous. The header and names were removed for obvious reasons.


*****,

I pray all is well with you and the committee. ******* brought forth the latest Anonymous release to my attention, and I must comment on the accuracy of the information contained within.

Dr. ****** and our group did indeed work on two of the objects mentioned, but due to our limited technology, we were unable to duplicate the devices for many years. In 1961 or 1962, I believe, we were forced, against our better judgment, to use one of the devices to power a modified plane that could enter space and return safely. We later learned how to fly "the visitors" craft and had created a fleet of space-based planes, now operated by an international team of personnel. These planes, designed to be our first line of defense, do carry energy weapons captured from the crashed "visitor" craft and later duplicated.

Although this anonymous individual included factual information, some classified, the rest is pure rubbish. I would love to sit down with him and compare our stories and knowledge. Many of my former colleagues have contacted me, thinking I was anonymous, since I was extremely vocal of my views ages ago. You and the committee know that this is not so, as I would have proven myself with the files you now have in your possession.

I concur that all information obtained should be verified by many sources, but at some time you and the committee need to take a leap of faith and release the evidence, even if you are ridiculed by the masses. In the end, you will be vindicated by the evidence as disclosure takes hold and the "visitors" make themselves known to mankind in the next few years.

But be cautious, my friends. I applaud your efforts and energy to tackle such an extremely difficult and controversial subject for the human race, but there are those who will stop you and others at all cost. Choose your friends wisely, as you know my opinion of ****.

My new contact number is **********.

My best wishes,

******

25th August 2006
« Reply #12 on Aug 25, 2006, 8:44pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------
" We are not here to change anybody's point of view, just to enlighten them with information we are privileged to witness. Those that are non-believers are entitled to their opinions and we respect that.

Those that do believe are thus split into two groups: Those that demand answers now and those who analyze, ponder and react. Either way, both have to understand that this is a challenging process, which is emotionally and financially draining. We have spent 10s of thousands of dollars of our own money checking out assets, trips to obtain documentation and various other duties.

We just ask for your patience as we try to sort through the crap to find the truth. We were burned once and will not let it happen again. On average, most of the information we receive are pieces of a puzzle that we put together from various sources. The more pieces we have, the clearer the picture becomes. A few of the assets have a lot of knowledge in a few projects, but no documentation or witnesses refuse to talk with us. And there's "J's" information, which we feel is about 2/3 accurate and will share more in the future. And, yes, we do get our share of hoaxers and others trying to muddy the waters, but they are getting easier to spot.

Just so your forum members understand, this is a slow endeavor. We do have lots of information and about half is technology / biotechnology related, but not verified by multiple and separate sources. And until that happens, we will not release it. No individual, group or agency will have all the answers, and if they claim they do, then you know to walk away.

There is a positive outlook lately, the number of scientists who wish to speak with us has increased. Many of our assets wish to remain anonymous because of the threats of losing jobs, pensions, ridicule, physical harm and possible prison time. But they keep coming forward and helping.

To the impatient member by the name of N***, you need to go back and check out our information. We were asked to comment on the last release and since we had an asset who worked with the devices mentioned, we obliged OM.

We let you know from time to time what we are involved in. Not once did we promise the video, we only mentioned that we were trying to purchase it, and the asking price was to steep for us. If you want proof as to who bought it, check out the BBC as to who met Fidel Castro nearly two weeks ago. That's right, Chavez, Chinese military personnel and Russian diplomats. The gentleman who purchased the video was with Chavez when he deboarded the plane and is standing to his left, two people behind. And another piece of information I bet you didn't know, Cuba still has 2-3 missiles left over from the Cuban Missile Crisis. Our asset also informed us that Chavez wants the technology, "To keep the US out of his country."

Now, to those that want more alien info, the Soviets sent their own team three years later. It seems the Seinuvians/Ebens (whatever you want to call them) felt the US was the superior race on our planet, but liked the Soviet communistic society. It reminded them of home!! The administrator was notified of this recently, but we asked to keep it secret until we verified it through sources.

I'm not sure where you got General from, but we did meet a high ranking foreign official and discussed the Seinu issue with him. We were monitored by video and recording devices and with armed security outside the door. His smiling was the only way he knew at the time to answer us; he said that he tried using his fingers at first, but we didn't catch on to that. He was sent back to his home country shortly after that meeting and demoted. So if you don't think there are risks involved, you are dead wrong.

We have been attacked numerous times through our computers, but our techno friends are to good. The bugs are masked in with popular software updates. We were also attacked by thewizardofzin@yahoo.com and we sent the info to a friend in Washington, D.C. It seems he and his department were already aware of both the address and attorney and are also looking into other irregularities. Do these attorneys have nothing better to do?

So ask yourself, why are they attacking if they believe the information to be false? The answer is, because we are closer than they want us to be.

When it comes to discussing Serpo, we have come across four different names for that project. The information differs regarding how many went, returned, gender, suicides and possible clones. We have found someone with the knowledge we seek, but he is refusing to talk with us at this time. All we know about him is that he was a candidate, the youngest of the group and spoke with some of the returnees, or so the claim is.

Riding on the Serpo coat tails? Give me a break. We are only seeking the truth and report both the good and bad. Information overlaps and we do come in contact with assets that have information about other projects, technology and even Seinu, Serpo and a few others. We have received contact from two Ufology researchers that wish to cooperate and assist us. And no, we are not going to tell you who they are. If they wish to come forward, then, so be it. We have thanked them and declined at this time, only for the fact that we are uncertain who to trust in this field.

To those who think this is a game, you could not be more off course. We have put our hearts and souls into this. The committee and research has become our second family. Just like with any other, you have the ups, downs and the rewards, too. "

Fri Aug 25
« Reply #13 on Aug 26, 2006, 10:24am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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Fri Aug 25 16:44:19 2006


"I just received a frantic call from one of the committee members, who was checking out some of the internet sites. Apparently, information is being confused.

We have in the past said Serpo was not completely true. As we found out the hard way, both Serpo and Seinu are basically similar and both had truth and fiction mixed into the cover story. We do come across information for both projects and at this point feel they are two separate e-races.

Now, the Soviets did go , but I must stress that we do not, at this point, know which solar system or planet they were taken. Our source is having trouble getting the information to us, due to the FSB and SVR watching every move his department makes. When more information is delivered, we will check it out and when verified, pass it along. His last message mentioned possibly the Zeta system, but he needed to get back into the vault and verify the information. It's also difficult trying to match their e-race names to ours.

On a side note, I forgot to mention that an asset told us about a broadcast of a Soviet missile base that had been destroyed after attacking a disc with MIGs. It was shown on TV twice before being pulled. Hopefully someone taped it or knows where to find it, as we can't seem to locate a copy."

August 27th 2006
« Reply #14 on Aug 28, 2006, 11:02am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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"[...] The Committee voted last night to terminate all contact with internet forums. The amount of e-mails that we have received have been vulgar and abusive. And we still are uncertain how they and the wizardofzin got our e-mail address [...]"





OMRT Comment: As far as is known, the only time the email address was compromised was through publication on the Reality Uncovered web site, via Shawnna Connelly an admin of Reality Uncovered.

Wed Sep 6 16:05:48 2006
« Reply #15 on Sept 7, 2006, 9:51am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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From TC Group Wed Sep 6 16:05:48 2006


We have heard from one of our assets overseas. He claims the Soviets went to Alpha Centauri A and the planet Seinu (�����) is 1.62 astronomical units from that sun. He also mentioned one of the returning men was a clone and when discovered during medical tests, committed suicide.

[paragraph removed]

I hope [removed] has passed on the information regarding RU and their attempts to locate us. They are only investigating an innocent person at this point.

[removed]
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11th Oct 06
« Reply #16 on Oct 11, 2006, 7:27am »

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(removed)

You may post only the e-mails below.
Do these people truly think we are ignorant of the fact that they are out to destroy people's careers or reputations. We will never reveal our assets or confidential information unless we have permission.

(removed)








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That makes you the only one out of the wide-ranging group of anonymous �informers� that do so.

If you have something important to say, why not say it? Why resort to sending a bunch of emails to people who are likely to believe anything you say in the first place? If you want a true test of your story, send it to people who are not so easily fooled. Yes, you can take that as a challenge.



Stephen Broadbent

REALITY uncovered

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Re: T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures
« Reply #17 on Nov 5, 2006, 11:59pm »

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An asset has sent us an e-mail stating that a new witness was located regarding the Roswell crashes. Apparently his story will be aired Nov. 7th or 8th on one the cable networks (not sure which one yet). He also claimed Dr. Freidman was flown in to give his opinion. Should be interesting, as he can't get anymore information and everyone is keeping a tight lip on this project.

January 8th 2007
« Reply #18 on Jan 10, 2007, 6:04pm »

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From The TC Group - January 8th 2007

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We warned that many more players are connected in the Serpo game besides Doty and a few aviary members. Read this interview and it will explain the thought process behind those involved. It goes higher up the chain of command than previously believed. In the future, we will explain who, what why and the outcome they seek. Their games are not over, more to come. If our assets are correct, more truth will come out, but you must, again, dig through the crap to find it.

We will also update you, in the near future, on the "Pilot".

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Joan d'Arc: Dan, as a civilian UFO researcher and attach� to an "ad hoc"UFO working group called the Aviary, which included intelligence-affiliated individuals, your "bird name" was Chicken Little. How did you come to be involved with this group?

Dan Smith: I became acquainted with one of the members, 'Tom' (not his real name). 'Chicken Little' was just my own concoction. My father was involved with the military in WWII and was later in the government as an economist. He had no interest in UFOs, but was in contact with some influential people who I discovered later had unusual interests. After doing some graduate work in physics I turned to metaphysics. An extended psychic experience led me to contact MUFON and through them I came in contact with Tom at the CIA in '91. He was known as the 'keeper of the weird.'

JD: Can you tell me a little more about the "extended psychic experience" that started all this back when you were in grad school?

DS: I earned two masters degrees in physics: '67 Princeton, '77 Univ. of Maryland. In '77 there was a single occurrence of a singsong 'voice' one night. A brief perusal of a bible that had just been left by some Jehovah's Witnesses gave me the impression that I might become involved with the advent of the 'spirit of truth.' This lent a spiritual color to what had been a secular inquiry.

The other experience lasted for about five days in June of '91. It seemed that I was in a state of heightened awareness in which mundane events could take on cosmic or mythic significance. Some events were actually experienced as a superposition of these two levels. I was in telephone contact with my younger sister who was having similar experiences at the same time. She was hospitalized for about a week as a result. I contacted a MUFON representative who was disappointed that there was no overt alien presence. Nonetheless, I was put in touch with Bob Oechsler who gave me Tom's number at the CIA.

JD: What do you feel is the significance of this event?

DS: As I said, the first event steered me in a more spiritual direction. The second event had the effect of putting me into a more activist frame of mind, i.e. contacting people about UFOs and crop circles.

JD: Can you extrapolate on what you've learned about crop circles? Do you think they are a cosmic message to humans? Did MJ-12, in your opinion, send in the hoaxers and the media to cloud the message?

DS: Those circles have made a very significant impression on many people. The ambiguity of their provenance need not detract from that significance. I am thankful for that ambiguity. Isn't this all part of the 'Prime Directive?' Did MJ-12 influence Time's coverage of Doug and Dave? Are they thereby being paternalistic with the Truth? Yes, there is concealment before there is revelation. If not, there could be no creation, certainly not on this scale.

JD: What was your main impetus for wanting to be an information dissemination specialist between the intelligence community and the UFO community, using the Aviary as a go-between?

DS: I had no prior intent in that direction. I was well into my study of eschatology before meeting Tom. I wanted to find out what take the CIA might have on eschatology and possibly provide some input. Discussing the Aviary and the UFO community was a good excuse for a continuing contact with an intelligence officer who had relevant responsibilities.

JD: How would you describe your position as a "networker" between this group and the UFO community?

DS: From the beginning I was very open about my government contact. I began to network with some folks in the UFO community who were interested in sharing information. Through Tom I was put in contact with some other members of the Aviary and this all became grist for the mill. There was a lot of comparing notes and checking of information on both sides. At one point some of my UFO colleagues persuaded the CIA/IG (Inspector General) to conduct an internal investigation of Tom relative to his unusual methods of collecting information.

JD: Can you elaborate on these "unusual methods" and the implications of this generally in the field of civilian Ufology?

DS: Well, there was the fact that he was involved in domestic collections. He was making provocative statements to me about the possible presence of ET's. He spoke freely of his involvement with other members of the Aviary. On several occasions we met at 'nightclubs.' He had 'indelicate' conversations with a female researcher. It was far from clear what was in the line of duty. He was interviewed by an IG officer. He reported answering all the questions directly, but told the officer that he could not answer any questions about ETs.

JD: What did you hope to achieve through these contacts and do you think you achieved it?

DS: That remains up in the air. I have certainly managed to enlighten one officer on the subject of metaphysics and eschatology. And because of that contact some of my ideas have circulated more widely in the UFO community than they would have otherwise.

JD: Your excellent web site, called The Eschaton, describes your end times beliefs as well as other fascinating matters. What is the background of your end times beliefs?

DS: After leaving school I struggled with mind/matter dualism for several years before reluctantly adopting an idealist or immaterialist metaphysic. It took a couple more years for me to see that some form of eschatology is inevitable for a mind-based cosmology. It also became clear that such a cosmology was compatible with some of the original beliefs and heresies stemming from the prophetic tradition of monotheism.

JD: How would you quickly describe what you feel is going to occur in this "end of the world as we know it" scenario?

DS: If history is to have any meaning, it must have a beginning, middle and ending, as does any story. Linear time will come to an end. Life will go on in some form, but not this one. The rigidities of space and time will dissolve. The boundaries between our different states of consciousness will become more fluid. The so-called Millennium will be our time for wrapping our mundane affairs and preparing for our transition to a less physical existence.

JD: Your Eschaton revelation comes to you via science as well as religion. How would you succinctly explain this to people who aren't familiar with "new" physics concepts (realizing that people can go to your web site for more information)?

DS: As Physics has evolved, the world it describes is becoming increasingly more abstract, much more "thought-like" than "thing-like." What is not abstract are just the ephemeral qualities with which our minds imbue those abstractions. As we awaken to the fact that reality is a projection of the cosmic mind of which we all partake, we will begin to exercise more control over the nature of that projection. This will be an extension of psychosomatics to sensorium that is our world.

JD: Do you know anything about a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group, a group which was formed to integrate theories in "new" physics and remote viewing as these came to describe the nature of reality? In your opinion, how has quantum physics changed the modern view of reality, and what was the UFO's role in this?

DS: I don't know any group of just this name, but there are many folks doing this. I was once a 'quantum dualist' (i.e. the mind influences matter through the agency of quantum phase correlations). But once you have postulated a robust realm of the mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to view the world of physics as other than an abstract construction of the mind. The quantum may be weird, but UFOs are a lot more weird. With UFOs we are no longer talking physics. This is metaphysics with a vengeance. This is dream-time, not space-time. The UFOs are pulling the rug right out from under what we used to think of as our 'reality.' In the case of 'MJ-12,' with the best brains in the world it was like the cartoon of the fire alarm box. Behind the glass panel is a Bible. 'In case of emergency, break glass.' Now we know how MJ-12 felt. Imagine how much worse they felt when they opened the Bible to John 16:12 as I did one eventful morning about twenty years ago.

JD: This is interesting. I'm ashamed to say, I don't have a Bible in the house. Can you explain John 16:12 and the relevance it had for you on this morning?

DS: John 16:12-13: 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (KJV) This was the passage that came to my attention on the morning after I experienced the sing-song 'voice' of Sophia(?). For the last two millennia people have interpreted this passage in many different ways. I interpreted it as a help-wanted notice directed at me. The folks of 'MJ-12' concluding that an advent of this sort was being prognosticated by the Visitors have probably been anticipating this moment of truth with some trepidation.

JD: So, which came first, Chicken Little or the Eschaton?

DS: The Eschaton by about ten years.

JD: How would you characterize the relationship between your Eschaton and the Intelligence community? Are there parallel beliefs, motives or modus operandi?

DS: Along with the rest of the UFO community, I believe that we have been visited. I believe that this visitation was in preparation for a messianic event which is imminent. That event will inaugurate our Millennium of preparation leading up to the Eschaton. The Aviary is the part of the intelligence community most closely and publicly associated with the 'MJ12/Visitor' complex. The messianic event itself, however, must be as spontaneous and independent of 'MJ12' and the Visitors as is possible. Thus the intelligence community will have very little direct input in this matter. National and global security will be largely redefined under the Millennial Aeon.

JD: OK, can we clarify this a little? What do the Visitors and UFOs have to do with the "messianic event"? What is the relationship between the Visitor phenomenon and the Second Coming of the Messiah?

DS: I am suggesting that the Visitors could be playing several roles that would be relevant to a messianic event. They would be an off-world advance team helping in the preparation. This would involve alerting the powers-that-be to the inevitable advent of the Messiah, Millennium and Eschaton. They would convince those powers that it would not be in their interest to interfere in the cosmic plan. The Visitors might then negotiate with these powers in selecting a mutually acceptable individual for the role of Messiah. The Visitors might also be overseeing the 'abduction' phenomenon in as much as it could be part of the preparation for the Millennium.>

JD: Am I missing something here? Isn't there already a Messiah assigned to this role?

DS: This is a heterodox scenario. This is divine minimalism. Christians will be mightily disappointed, those who were expecting a figure in white robes to descend from the clouds. The idea is that we do not need theatrics this time around. There is a package deal. Whoever can convince the world of its immateriality and of the rationale for the Millennium and Eschaton, that person will be the Second Coming. Anyone who aspires to being this paradigm shifter should expect to play that role. I feel no need to apologize for personally wanting to put an end to the hegemony of materialism.

JD: You suggest that this messianic event must be separate from the Visitor phenomenon, meaning perceptually independent?

DS: Let's back up a bit. I am saying that we humans constitute a very significant aspect of the cosmic mind. The First and Second Coming, in particular, are designed to awaken humanity to their central role in the cosmic plan. We don't need to be told this, only reminded, so easily do we forget. Our memory only needs to be jogged a very little bit. Minimalism is the word when it comes to divine intervention, in keeping with the 'prime directive.' The perception of coercion is the very worst thing that could happen. If it appears that the cosmic plan is being imposed upon us, we would naturally react negatively. In reality this plan is of us, by us and for us. The messianic event is critical.

It may appear that I have just contradicted myself. From the previous response one might imagine a smoke filled room underground in Area 51 where the Visitors and MJ12 haggle over the identity of the Messiah to be 'imposed' on humanity. This hardly seems spontaneous. However, if these negotiations can be kept secret, then the intervention remains minimal. There can only ever be informed speculation as to what might have actually transpired. The 'designated' individual would have to convince her fellow humans as to the reasonableness of the hypothetical selection process.

JD: In your estimation, is it going to be possible to keep these events separate?

DS: The best I can do here is to give you a 'for instance.' Let's suppose that I was the selected one. My unusual interactions with Tom, and some other events, might lead me to suspect this to be the case. It would then be up to me, however, to make this case to the public, where it could be accepted or rejected. Even if some others could be convinced of this possibility, there would be no implied coercion in their acceptance of the outcome. If I were right, however, others would eventually come around to seeing and agreeing with the reasonableness of the choice, even if this occurred posthumously.

JD: What will be the difficulties in keeping these events independent of each other?

DS: This choreography has not been easy. It may well be that WWII and the Cold War were necessary antecedents. Without these antecedents, MJ12 and the Visitors could not have been kept even partially secret. Incidentally, I suspect also that John Kennedy may have gotten wind of the plan and that his Camelot initiative may have been his attempt to go public with this plan prematurely. This preemption was not considered sufficiently spontaneous and so it was itself preempted.

JD: You are under the impression that the military will have to back off for the Eschaton. In what way then will "national and global security" be redefined under the Millennial Aeon?

DS: The de-emphasizing and downsizing of all militaries will necessarily gain momentum into the Millennium. Once we can agree upon our common purpose and destiny, our energies will be turned from competition to cooperation. The implication is that capitalism will also be de-emphasized.

JD: But with the push toward the militarization of space by the military-industrial complex, this doesn't seem to be happening. The Space Command's "future vision" is that of "protecting" capitalist interests in space. Do you foresee an "about face" in this dangerous military co-opting of outer space?

DS: Tom has allowed me to believe that there is continuing monitoring and possibly the occasional interdiction of UFOs. Whether this might extend to 'Star Wars' I have no idea. He is involved with conventional space technology for military applications. Will the military continue to involve itself in self-serving, possibly risky adventures on various fronts? I have no doubt. Experience shows that the military is more averse to risk than the elected politicians who exploit it.

JD: Is this the reason for the recent empowering of the U.N.? Are you talking here about the inevitability of the "New World Order" paradigm?

DS: I am talking about the advent of God's Kingdom and about a New Heaven and a New Earth. As to who will play what roles, that is ultimately up to all of us to agree on. Anything that is shoved down our throats will likely come right back up.

JD: So then, can the chaos which characterizes the biblical Second Coming be partly described as a law and order breakdown?

DS: Let's hope and pray that we have seen the worst of the chaos/tribulation in this post-Cold War decade.

JD: In your web writings, you have stated the following: "If our world is a creation, it is a creation that has put us in a special isolation chamber: isolated from other intelligent creatures and from the creator. It would have to be a very special creation that does not give us the appearance of a special creation." You write: "Our isolation and the possibility of our uniqueness seem on the verge of gaining us a very hard-won solidarity." You ask, "Would the creator jeopardize that vital solidarity with an eleventh hour revelation of our expendability?" Do you believe that Earth humans will survive the Eschaton as a matter of our natural evolutionary progress, or is there some belief system we must adhere to in order to survive? Can you extrapolate on this a little bit?

DS: My cosmology is anthropocentric, in agreement with the prophetic tradition. I give very little credence to anything beyond the mere appearance of Darwinian evolution. I do not believe that the ETs are more advanced than we are. They are simply less material, more interdimensional. It is we who inherit the oversight of the cosmos. A Millennium is vouchsafed to us before the Eschaton. The Eschaton will mark the end of our linear space-time manifold. The final barriers to our consciousness will dissolve in that process. We become one with God, whatever that may entail. 'Sub specie aeternitas,' the human historical drama is seen as the central pillar of eternity. Time is the final illusion.

JD: Let's get back to your role in the Aviary. As a civilian networker for the Aviary, what types of information did you learn that most blew your mind? And how did this information affect your end-times beliefs?

DS: There has been a gradual realization that 'MJ12' and the Visitors are no longer playing a proactive role, and may no longer even exist here. This is the scariest piece of information that I can impart. Tom has been responsible for closing down the phenomenology and psychic warfare programs. He is also active in planning for the scaling back of the Navy and Air Force. It is reasonable to infer that he has similar duties relative to 'MJ12'. That may mean that I am a significant part of an effort to transfer the residual MJ12 responsibilities to the civilian sector. That is a sobering thought for myself and for any others who are inclined to participate.

JD: What do you mean by "the Visitors are no longer playing a proactive role, and may no longer even exist here"?

DS: The Visitors got their message across to those who needed to be informed. That was the point of their Earth mission. There may exist now a sequestered 'star gate' that can be activated for special purposes.

JD: Can you elaborate on your statement: "Tom has been responsible for closing down the phenomenology and psychic warfare programs." Are these two separate programs?

DS: Yes, they were. There continues to exist an informal, unofficial phenomenology network for monitoring uncorrelated phenomena. Some 'civilians' are involved. Psychic surveillance may now be a part of this network. I am probably still involved in some fashion, but I have no specifics.

JD: By "psychic surveillance" I presume you mean remote viewing. So then there is an information network which relies solely on psychic means of gathering info on UFOs? Is this work performed by remote viewing organizations such as Courtney Brown's Farsight Institute and others?

DS: It was not uncommon for remote viewers to be given UFO type targets. There is ample evidence that the remote viewing program that was closed down in the mid-90s was not the only government-sponsored effort. It stands to reason that the government continues to use psychic means to monitor UFO activity. However, I do not know that the 'phenomenology network' is directly involved in any such effort.

JD: What do you mean by "programs"? Who was responsible for instituting them?

DS: The official remote viewing program has been extensively researched and reported on. The inter-agency Phenomenology Group was taken over by Tom and converted into an informal network.

JD: In your estimation, what is the reason for the scaling back of the armed forces?

DS: I am under the impression that the Cold War served as a cover and as an entr� for the Visitors to co-opt the powers-that-be in the fulfillment of the cosmic plan. The reality of the cosmic plan is now used in persuading other leaders to curtail their military ambitions; however, I have no idea what means of verification might be involved.

JD: Why does there appear to be a "backing off" of the "proactive" stance which has been part of Ufology for so long?

DS: I am referring mainly to the Visitors proper. The unofficial story is that three Visitors participated in sequential ten-year stints as guests of the U.S. government. That episode is now over, their mission having been accomplished.

JD: So then do you propose that the government has been advised that we have no choice but to allow preordained "events" take their course?

DS: Yes.

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Re: T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures
« Reply #19 on Jan 10, 2007, 6:05pm »

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(cont. from above)

JD: What do you see foresee will be your "duties" with regard to a transfer of what you call "residual MJ12" responsibilities to the civilian sector?

DS: This transfer will occur in the context of a 'Second Coming.' I consider myself a candidate for that role. Tom has partially abetted that illusion on my part.

JD: Has this transfer been requested by the Visitors?

DS: Presumably, yes.

JD: It concerns me that Tom, CIA "keeper of the weird," with his "unusual methods," might be pulling your leg. Does this not concern you?

DS: If there were proof that this was not a joke, that proof might easily trigger a financial panic, for instance. One has to proceed with great caution and virtual deniability. It is fair to say that we are pushing that envelope.

JD: I see. Can you elaborate on this statement specifically with regard to your perceived role as a candidate for the Messiah? As you stated earlier, "my unusual interactions with Tom, and some other events, might lead me to suspect this to be the case." In what way has Tom 'abetted this illusion'?

DS: The ultimate answer to this question will depend on whether one is assessing credit or blame. Further down I cite the 'Sunfish' remark. Perhaps one day a Congressional committee will want to hear Tom's explanation of that remark and of our interactions relative to it. Tom and I subsequently had lunch with the chief psychologist at the agency. I mentioned to him that I had recently met a woman who believed that she was the true heir to the British throne. I believe that I said that I might harbor similar illusions and that Tom might not be entirely innocent in that matter. He did not respond directly to this ploy. He did describe in some detail a case of bestiality that involved another agency and the Internet. Tom said that this gentleman might be helpful in the future and seemed to be solicitous of my opinion. If this was not the most ironic moment in my life, I can't tell you what was.

JD: I have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to have slipped into cryptic mode. I suddenly feel like I'm at a s�ance. Is this message meant for 'Tom'?

DS: It just struck me as amusing that the upshot of this lunch meeting with the psychologist was allegedly for Tom to get my evaluation of him. One might have assumed it would be the other way around!

JD: Your take on Eschatology is unique to say the least. I'm sure you have examined why you have been compelled to be personally involved in this. What are your thoughts on that? Is this a "calling" of some sort? Is it related to your early psychic experience?

DS: Yes to each of these. Our world is a central aspect of the cosmos. This is the best possible cosmos. This necessity is logically deducible. I just follow the logic, which finally is indistinguishable from spirit. One barely has to lift a finger, once one stops denying the obvious.

JD: Dan, I know this is a personal question, but would you mind stating your religious denomination? Do you consider yourself a Christian? And can you describe the role that Jesus Christ will play in the Eschaton?

DS: I was raised as a Unitarian. I used to refer to myself as a 'transcendental pantheist.' Since that experience in '77 I have considered myself an unorthodox, 'born again' Christian. I do not demand that the 'Second Coming' be an exact continuation or replica of the first coming. It need only be seen as the logical fulfillment of that truncated event.

JD: Your second project, the Aquarium, is described on your web site as an informal association of individuals who share a common realization and goal, and who recognize that society is rapidly approaching a "critical junction." I presume that this junction is the Eschaton? Do you believe the Eschaton will occur during your own natural lifespan?

DS: I hope that the 'Second Coming' may occur during my lifetime. According to premillennialism, we would then have our allotted Millennium to prepare for the Eschaton.

JD: The Aquarium's goal is to minimize the confusion and disharmony that will occur during the unfolding of this "cosmic plan" and to "maximize" the benevolent aspects of these coming changes. You also specifically state that the Aquarium has no political affiliations and no adherence to any one belief system. Are there members who are presently in government intelligence positions?

DS: The 'Aquarium' name derives from the 'Aviary.' It is an informal designation for those people who believe that mere humans are now in position to fulfill God's plan of salvation for the world. There is no formal membership.

JD: How would interested parties go about joining this group? What type of members would you be looking for? What types of concerns would these individuals share?

DS: There is nothing to join. It is just those of us who wish to get on with the cosmic plan.

JD: Dan, what exactly do you mean by 'get on with' the cosmic plan? Are you saying that there is a group of people who want 'Armageddon' ASAP? Will the Eschaton be precluded by an Armageddon-like scenario? In your perception, is there some way to rush this along and, if so, what would be your impetus for wishing to do so?

DS: Yes, please hold the Armageddon. Enough of that, already. We still have another thousand years of recognizable, linear history. If that ever gets too boring, then hurry, Lord. The gross non-linearity of inter-dimensional space-time, dreamtime will take some getting used to, even for those who fancy themselves spiritual virtuosos.

JD: You state that the strategy for individuals in this group would be: "Networking in every way possible. No rules." What do you mean by "no rules"?

DS: There is only the rule of love. All of us have a lot to learn about that.

JD: You also state regarding membership: "everyone who wants to participate and a few select individuals who don't want to participate but are deemed useful by Dan T. Smith." Can you elaborate on this statement? What type of individuals would be deemed useful?

DS: Did I say that? I guess I was thinking of cosmic co-optation. No one can escape God's love.

JD: Would alternative publications like Paranoia be deemed useful?

DS: Of course!

JD: You point out that this critical junction will be "the point of convergence for a number of powerful trends and may severely challenge the ability of our organized institutions to effectively govern." Can you elaborate on how this group might go about maintaining a relatively peaceful transformation of the world? How is the so-called 'New World Order' related to this? Can you discuss the role that the New World Order has played and will continue to play in this context?

DS: The 'NWO' is going to be God's Millennial Kingdom, as has been prophesied all along. People have not been paying attention. Getting over our materialistic understanding of the world will be the major step in this direction. The Kingdom is already within each of us. With the proper understanding of the nature of reality, the Kingdom will naturally expand outward from each of us. It might be another hundred years before even the skeptics can no longer deny the results. The imminent paradigm shift is the straw that will break the back of our intransigence.

JD: So then would it be safe to assume that persons aligning themselves with the Aquarium would be in positions of power in the "next world" or would in some way be rewarded by their work?

DS: Virtue has always been its own best reward. Ask anyone so endowed.

JD: I see. Can we get back to the subject of remote viewing, and talk about the Heaven's Gate cult suicide, which occurred after the remote viewing of several UFOs reportedly following the comet Hale-Bopp in 1996-97. You have addressed this event in your web site as it concerns the Aviary. In this essay ("Pecking Away at Heaven's Gate") you write the following: "The Aviary is not responsible for the deaths of 39 innocents. It just looks that way. The Aviary always just manages to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, minding someone else's business. And I should know...." Can you elaborate on how the Aviary manages to stir up this kind of trouble?

DS: The Aviary has certainly managed to keep the UFO pot stirred for the two decades or more that it has been in business. Rick Doty has probably contributed more to the UFO-government conspiracy rumors than everyone else combined. He has done so while in the government employ, and maintaining high level contacts in the intelligence community. Tom weighs in on this scale as a not so distant second. It might be that the Aviary was being used in this manner in a high-level attempt to penetrate MJ-12. If this were the case, it seems probable that they experienced success, with Tom being the most likely beneficiary.<

JD: With regard to Heaven's Gate, you have also written: "There is a larger agenda and those 39 got caught at the short end of that agenda. The Aviary knows something of that agenda, and it shakes a lot of trees trying to find out more, and some of the apples will hit the ground pretty hard." Can you elaborate on that agenda? Whose agenda is it that the Aviary is trying to shake down?

DS: The larger agenda is eschatology. We presume that this is God's agenda, but it doesn't hurt to kick the tires once in awhile, just to make sure.

JD: In this essay, you admit that "the remote viewing of the alleged Hale-Bopp companion was pretty much an Aviary spin-off." Can you elaborate on this? What did the Aviary hope to achieve with this story?

DS: Remember that this was part of the run-up to Y2K. If this were deliberate, it was like the setting of the fires in the Bandolier Forest near Los Alamos. You take your chances. It might still be considered a success, compared to what else might have happened.

JD: I'm not following you. Are you saying you took chances with the story, and the outcome was accidental? What did Hale-Bopp have to do with Y2K, and in what way might this outcome be considered a "success"?

DS: I did not feel like I was taking chances. I was just following the protocol that I had already established vis-a-vis the Aviary from the very beginning. Does 'MJ-12', the Visitors, and/or God take chances? I explain on the website why I think this is going to turn out to be the best possible world. It is rather simple logic.

JD: Were you personally expecting the Y2K computer 'bug' to usher in the Eschaton?

DS: No. But I did watch the ceremonies with a mild trepidation. The ceremonies would have been boring otherwise. And, as you can tell, I am definitely looking forward to Y3K.

JD: Was it trying in some way to measure the public's gullibility?

DS: Gullibility? Perhaps it was more like measuring how dry is the powder in the keg. Another way to kick those tires.

JD: The Hale-Bopp "companion" story was mainly peddled by Courtney Brown's Farsight Institute in Atlanta. Brown is alleged to be associated with the Pentagon. Is he also associated with the Aviary?

DS: His mentor was Ed Dames. Ed is at least an honorary Avian.>

JD: In this essay, you admit that the alleged April UFO landing was definitely an Aviary story and you admit that you were the one who passed it on to the public where it "quickly took a life of its own...." You also state that you knew this UFO landing story was likely to be disinformation, but you put it out to the UFO community anyway. Dan, what were you thinking?

DS: As I recall, I mainly put this story to Richard Boylan, and I did not have to be a brain surgeon to know that Rich would run with it. If Rick Doty had invited me to be on the 'landing' team I might have taken him up on it. I am willing to believe Rick's claim to have been in communication with Wm. Colby and that his canoe 'accident' before this anticipated 'landing' had some impact on whatever did or did not transpire. The Aviary was stirring the pot well before Y2K. If something was going to blow up, it was better to have it happen sooner rather than later. The fact that only 39 people lost their lives that April perhaps should make us feel fortunate. And who knows, we might have thwarted a real landing or a hoax landing that might have made matters much worse.

Let us note that in this same time frame I had established an independent contact with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as another verification of Tom's benefides. I was told that I was part of something called 'unconventional collections' and that I could rest assured that I was involved with some very competent people. This was from a senior staff member who happened to be Jesuit trained and knowledgeable of eschatology. It was Tom who facilitated my contact with the other members of the Aviary in which Rick was a central figure. This is not to say that Rick was competent, but only that there was a much larger context.

JD: You stated you weren't surprised to see the Hale-Bopp companion story gain "considerable currency" in the UFO arena. What was your impetus for doing that?

DS: I could have chosen to have had no contact with the Aviary or to have kept quiet about it. I chose to have contact and to not keep quiet about it. I was shining my light on the Aviary and perhaps on 'MJ-12.' I still am. I don't think this story is over by a long shot.

JD: Looking back, what had you hoped would come of this "networking" enterprise? Have you any idea as to how Art Bell was used in this scenario?

DS: I believe that an eschatological preparation is the most rational explanation for the observed behavior of the Aviary, especially of Tom, and for the inferred behavior of 'MJ-12.' How well that end is being served remains to be seen. Art Bell was certainly influenced by the Aviary. I don't know that he was 'used' any more than you or I are being 'used' right now.

JD: You state in your essay that "... the Heaven's Gate affair is the Bennewitz affair written large...." This is a most interesting statement. For readers who aren't familiar, Paul Bennewitz was a UFO researcher who was fed false information by the CIA operatives, and was basically driven crazy. What are the important similarities between the Heaven's Gate/Hale-Bopp affair and the Bennewitz affair?

DS: Perhaps Paul was being used as a guinea pig for Dan. Perhaps Dan is being used as a guinea pig for the next guy. Maybe the next guy will be the Second Coming. I am volunteering with that in mind. Maybe Paul did not have the opportunity to consider all the options. No one ever does. The actual messiah will have to explain the holocaust. Explaining Heaven's Gate is hardly in that ball-field.

JD: In this essay you state that if you had it to do over again, you would do it over again. You write: "... When one sheep goes astray, I am very reluctant to leave the other 99 in the lurch, or the ends do sometimes justify the means." This Messiah analogy is disturbing. How long have you held this self-perception? Was it before or after you met "Tom," CIA "keeper of the weird that this perception began to unfold?"

DS: When I met Tom I was already 'entertaining' the folks on CompuServe with the possibility that I was the Spirit of Truth, i.e. third member of the trinity. Later on Tom said, "Everyone knows that I'm Catfish and you are Sunfish," (this being apropos of the Aquarium). I chose to read that as 'Sonfish' and to take it as something other than a joke. I was not at all surprised when the folks on CompuServe decided that it was not funny and kicked me off. Who's to blame? Why blame? The world is but a stage.

JD: You also comment, "in the field of eschatology, one gets paid mainly to keep track of the ends...." This statement is a little confusing. So then, in the field of eschatology, one gets paid? As I understand it, you are a civilian. Can you tell me, do you work for a civilian business enterprise or are you self-employed?

DS: I have some independent income. As a piper I am piping a certain tune. I may just be entertaining myself and a few of your readers. We could do worse than that.

JD: In this essay, you have also written that, "I believe that we are all in good hands, and if two of those hands turn out to be mine, please forgive me for not being quite as surprised as you." What exactly do you mean by this puzzling statement?

DS: I'm just saying that I don't think my state of mind is completely my fault or Tom's fault. We all march to different drummers, some of which may be cosmic. We all hope for the best and don't spend as much time preparing for the worst as pure reason might otherwise dictate.

JD: Steven Greer has written that the eschatological belief system has pervaded the civilian UFO community. He describes, "very strange bed-fellows: war mongers and militarists in cahoots with industrialists who share a bizarre eschatological bent." He has warned that some of these people want Armageddon ASAP. Can you comment on these statements?

DS: This sounds reasonable to me. And if you want my opinion, I am against any more Armageddon. We have had enough of that already. No?

JD: In your estimation, is there a large group of persons in the intelligence community who believe as you do? Also, can you give me an idea of how many people are part of your "loose knit" Aquarium group?

DS: I don't know anyone in the world who believes quite like I do. But heck, let's do an experiment. Run this article and see what happens with Tom. In the meantime we can all be thankful that we are not Tom.

JD: And why is that? Is Tom is some hot water right now?

DS: Tom has said that his continuing association with me is the greatest deliberate risk that he has taken with his career. Whatever may be the internal struggles relative to MJ-12 and the Visitors, Tom is riding shotgun for the Aquarium.

Re: T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures
« Reply #20 on Feb 7, 2007, 11:30pm »

Posted by Jake Reason OMF Co-Admin in Canada
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From T.C. Group Tue Feb 6 14:04:59 2007


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It is obvious that we have come to a fork in the road with respect to disclosure. Following the path of cow mines left by the likes of RD, KG, DS, RC and the rest of their cohorts is the road we shall avoid. True disclosure will NOT come from these individuals, maybe some pieces here and there, but not what the majority are yearning for. Their movie deal is in jepordy as a second group has reached a movie deal as well. Two opposing movies -- how surprising!?!

We have decided to heed our many assets' warnings and with the aid of our new asset (from a country within a country) has helped us understand what will happen when disclosure is announced, which he believes will be late 2010 to early 2011 unless it is stalled, as has happened three times prior. It will not come from the internet or government leaders as was mentioned in the past, which was only a tool for testing reactions and following the connections, but by the leaders of those who warned us as children of good and evil and truth.

Our asset has informed us that our visitors are becoming impatient and will no longer abide by the agreements signed decades ago. They will make their presence known by many avenues and sightings will increase as the date grows closer. Those that truly know are now under pressure to acclimate the people of this planet with what they had denied for so long.

The process has already begun and cannot be stopped, only delayed. Government leaders will try to hold on to power and will use discs (recovered) as tools to deceive us that all e-races are malevolent (although we feel one, possibly two are indeed the aggressors and caution should be taken). This will work for a short period of time and then will be subdued.

The names mentioned above and their side-kicks are in a dream world to believe they are the chosen ones. Do they not understand others are pulling the strings to make them dance?!! That is why we have taken the other path, as it leads to the puppet masters (we are closing in on the first - over seas).

As we mentioned before, the O'Hare sighting was ours (government). But a new twist was revealed to us. We said two discs were involved, which is correct. They are also artificially/computer controlled, which is correct, but did have personnel on board. These discs did not lose communication with the controllers; they were instructed to hover and then returned to their base in Utah. Those allowing this to proceed, and present in Chicago, were pleased by those at ATS throwing mud into the waters - great job EYEWITNESS or should we say decoy. More tests to come and it's going to be an interesting show!!!

Beware -- more childish games to be played by a small, unnoticed website, which is involved with some odd bed-fellows. No one has all the answers, except a handful and that's why we continue to search and investigate.

Investigating does not involve impersonation, theft, dishonesty, releasing of personal e-mails or hacking. So we are quite amazed how a couple of attention seekers are going to save us all by spouting their fanatsy laced diatribe, once again?!?!?!?!?! Many of these individuals you are about to disclose are old news and no true researcher has believed them in years. So we have to ask: Why bring them up? Is it to connect the dots to their friends and colleagues based on misquotes from e-mails or guilt by association? So they must be involved - great logic there. What you don't know is that many well-known names (some you know and many you don't) are receiving handouts from the blue suits, as well. And where did you get some of your info???

Congratulations boys, you have become the puppet's pets!!! Received any bones recently?!!





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16th April 2007
« Reply #21 on Apr 16, 2007, 2:51pm »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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"We had meant to send a message to you, but many of us have been trying to get our lives back in order after our successful trips.

Our warning to you a few months ago still holds true today. Theyare playing mind games once again and are the masters in their domain. Do not be fooled by their "generous" comments, you will only be disappointed by these forked-tongue birds and their lap dog. Both sides are being used, and they sit back to see how far and how long this will continue. We have seen communications that there is another chapter to be played soon. And from what one communication mentioned, RU was the focus of this last round,
but it was interrupted. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, AGAIN !!!!

Many feel, including the new asset, that the group members above know very little themselves and seem to enjoy tormenting those searching for truth. We consider them cowards and manipulators who prey on the innocent minds of others, but the tables are about to turn.

One piece of news that we can share with you at this time is that we were interrupted while meeting our newest asset. It was a trio of well-known representatives from another disclosure group that wanted our asset to assist them as well. Now, who was in a city within a city at that time
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anyone? This asset is an amazing and intelligent individual. Anyway,
he politely refused to help them unless they held a joint conference to lay all information on the table for the public to see and they immediately changed their tune. It became apparent that they were only in it for the DVDs, seminars and anything else that could earn them the all-mighty buck.

This group later tracked us down at the hotel, it seems that they
wanted to see the information we have and hoped to form an alliance. We declined and now need to ponder the reasons for their invitation. Very odd. How did they know where to find us and the asset? Are they losing their support?

The German businessman was shrewd and had been informed about our intentions. Either we have a traitor, or they are watching us by many means. His security said that all electronic devices would not work on the floor they were on and all briefcases, purses, clothing and wallets were searched (why wallets???). After some small talk, the German informedour committee members that we are in over our heads and should look for a different hobby. A veiled threat was implied and he had our members escorted from the building by six armed security personnel. At least we know that this is the right path, yet some of us don't believe it was
him, only a stand in.

An interesting bit of info. Remember back, before my time with the
committee, when [removed] met an admin official in a building with a pad box and a number he had been given? Well, it turns out that the official slipped and told an acquaintance about the visitors. Since then, he has been set up to take a fall for that mistake. It just shows that there are some who don't want to relinquish control.

We have many things to decide and digest in the next few weeks. One last thing, the asset and his assistances have access to the most incredible intel we could never have imagined. Just amazing.

We will be in touch.

Okay to put on the website.

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20th April 2007
« Reply #22 on Apr 21, 2007, 9:08am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:56:44 -0600

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We were asked to hold off sending this e-mail until today. I'm sure
you will understand the significance for that reason.


An asset, we can only speak with twice a year, passed on to us three pages from what we believe was a lengthy report. That information was the reason, we know now, that the other group showed up in the city/city to try to obtain. That information along with what our asset overseas knew and a third party (will explain later) had in their possession, opened up a once
barricaded door for us to enter and which can never be shut again.
This information leads us directly to those within the MIC that operate the puppet strings. We were able to find the first on our own, but this just points us to a few more and they span across the world.

There are reasons why governments are releasing information to the public, (France, Brazil, M�xico) many have no clue what is truly happening. France is the exception because they held back a few items, and this info came from the horse's mouth to our
asset. More countries will follow suit in the future as they have no
choice. The big five will delay as they believe they can control the
situation, but will fail. This will only hurt the general population
in the end and will have serious consequences for those in charge.

With regards to Serpo, it was a dead end with two real pieces of
information that we discussed in the past. Three separate groups using different assets and the pilot have come to the same conclusion: The only evidence found was that three full-bird colonels were taken for a "joy ride" within our solar system. When they were returned that night, one committed suicide, one went insane and died months later. The last colonel had a respectable career as
an AF liaison to the MIC and retired as a general. We all agree that
the Alpha Centauri system is where one e-race is from, the planet Seinu. Also, the signals which were refuted by SETI, and are increasing in strength, come from the same location. So you can take it for what it's worth, but that's too much for a coincidence.

Our committee has agreed to join forces with the overseas asset and his group, and a third group in another country. One has the incredible intel, the other has the financial backing, and we have many assets to contribute.
This tri-group will be headed by someone in another country and he has decided to call himself Ciconia Ciconia. He claims that after
following many false leads from dis-info specialists around the world, such as the group OM/RU have been dealing with, that these people know next to nothing and like toying with the minds of researchers. So he chose the name as a way to mock them, but also as a way to bring a new message of hope.

Our group will no longer release information to your website, it will
be done overseas where the media is not controlled by their governments.

We wish to thank the Admin, Jeddyhi and the members for allowing us to share information with you, even as we learned how to play in this arena. Your site has an impressive list of people that are knowledgeable and forthright.

Just be cautious and weary of the group you are dealing with, we know you aren't fools, just they are good at their jobs.

Jake,

Everybody's truth will differ based on their own belief system. All
have free will, but only if they use it and there lies the dilemma.

Regarding concerns, is it for mankind ,or for being put on the spot as game players?!! If these individuals truly knew the coming events, the games would have stopped long ago for the sake of mankind. We also had the benefit of seeing ******* where many on both sides have been ridiculed,
mocked and laughter has been shared between these individuals over the diversionary tactics and dis-info schemes.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Good luck to all!!!

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Re: T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures
« Reply #23 on Apr 21, 2007, 9:13am »

Posted by OMF Administrator in U.K.
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NOTE FROM ADMIN:

1. The 'group' will no longer be disclosing here, although we are going to maintain access to one 'asset'.

2. The city within a city - is apparently The Vatican.

3. My understanding is that the 'group' are locating themselves within Europe - and from what they allude to above, I would guess that country would be Italy.