Who do we think we are?

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Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)

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Gary,

Yes, I remember the days of bistatic radar..... those were the days.

But, yes, Gary, I am a hijacker, by nature...... an ambitious one.  My stated intention is hi jack the universe.  Do you have a problem with that?  

If so, you can no longer complain to Ron.  He has disavowed me.  I’m not sure to whom you may complain, now.  


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Yes, Aaron,

Gary needs to read Owen Barfield......

Everything is in the mind of the Monad.  

It is amazing how unmindlike the world usually appears to be.  

It is a miraculous simulacrum.  

God set out to deceive us, and she sure did. I apologize on her behalf.  But it does make my job of hi jacking the universe much easier, thank goodness.  

May you sleep well at night with your Bohmian dualism..... knowing that the universe is safe from my scheming. And don’t be concerned that David later disavowed his youthful dualism, with his Implicate order, and that Ron hangs out with the Queen of the Implicate.

Sleep tight.......



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Clearly the NAVY UFOs appear to be real material objects as they have been detected on multiple sensor platforms and are sometimes confirmed by human observation.

And then there is the theoretical physics research that might one day explain how these objects work ...

Here, the Bohmian positions react on the state vector through the gravitational term ...

https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.12047

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Today happens to be my birthday.

Happy birthday U!

Thank you U!

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Thanks big A!

https://www.popmath.org.uk/rpamaths/rpampages/sunflower.html

I am a Fibonacci fanatic......why?

I first found the sequence before I had ever heard of it, or had any clue about it.

As My dowsing suddenly almost took over My life I became obsessed with visiting ancient location called preachers crosses here in the UK.

They have as with ever so much more been vandalised by these Christian fanatics sticking crosses on them.
I also went to multiple megalithic sites and later Norman churches here and in France.

I took a ships compass with Me jotting down where the middle of nine lines cross many others about 360 degrees, and I began to realise there were angles found at them with different numbers of lines also revealing the self same numbers, they were 0,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233...……

Eventually I looked on google and saw Fibonacci, my head exploded.

I began to draw out the patterns involved( and remember each line is one of nine parallel lines)
I had a drawing board and the patterns had an effect on Me.

The complexity is amazing, yet simple for Me to detect and plot out.

Then I found that there was another variable involved relative to each line, and it tripped from line to line always following the pathway of least resistance into and out of spirals.

I had a dragon by the tail, and it liked playing with Me.


hobbit

In the context of phenomenology, it is worth recalling ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages that are known as Clarke's three laws, of which the third law is the best known and most widely cited. They were part of his ideas in his extensive writings about the future.[1] These so-called laws include:

When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Magic may refer to:

Magic (supernatural), a set of beliefs and practices distinct from religion and science

Magic (illusion), the art of appearing to perform supernatural feats

Magic in fiction, the genre of fiction that uses supernatural elements as a theme

Or, perhaps, any possible combination of the above explicated in the Navy data on encounters with unusual and unidentified aircraft exhibiting behavior generally understood to be outside the limit of current human technologies.

Gary,

As I recall, you have had close encounters with entities.  Did they ask you to take them to your leader?  Could you ascertain any sort of agenda?

If they and our governments are being so secretive about any agenda, it is likely to indicate that their intentions are not friendly.

The assumption built into your scenarios is that they represent a more advanced life form or civilization.  

Are you supposing that they might be influenced by any sort of cosmic morality?  

Do you pray for our deliverance from this potential evil?  

Conventional ufologists suppose that evolution is directed toward ‘higher’ life forms.  Do you agree?  Do you imagine that there might be an end to such evolution?  

Most who are assembled here, have an interest in such questions, it might be reasonable to assume.  

For the first five years on my metaphysical, ie. post physical question I assumed there was some sort of evolutionary life force that was directed toward some sort of cosmic Omega...... upon which all life was converging.  

My one time colleague, Frank Tipler, wrote the definitive book on this topic....... the Physics of Immortality.   This is about as far as you can go with the (strong) Anthropic Principle.  

We end up as quantum computer/observers..... bringing the universe into existence with our inter galactic observations.  



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Evil? No. We are the evil ones. We blew it and we're all going to be wiped out by a virus that will target only humans; everything else will remain. 

"They" have been warning us ... why? I don't know (in hopes that we'll, [cough, cough], change?) but rest assured, our number is up.

Is this the Best Possible World? A world without humanity? You bet.

We can pontificate till the cows come home on why this or that is, but in this case, it's pretty straight forward. 

Thank-you, and have a nice day.

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No, 99,

The visitors have not even managed to make their presence known, much less delivered a concerted or definitive message to us.

You have not the foggiest clue concerning personhood.  

You are in no position to cast your moral judgement on others.  

Judge not, lest ye be judged.  Shame on you.  


The same goes for you, Ack..... shame on you.

And you do not have permission to flog initials on here...... UG.

Get your own thread, if you want to do that.



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Shame, shame on you Dan! I am not judging you btw and i should remind you that it's not all about you dan and I'll leave it at that.

GROW UP!

Don’t be silly, 99.  

You judge persons.  My concern is persons.  

You have no right to judge other persons.

If the visitors have left any impression at all, it is that they are evil.  Performing evil acts on persons.

Show us what you believe to be a definitive message.  

If anything, the visitors have only managed to sew more confusion amongst the few of us who give them any heed.



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Look in the mirror Dan and repeat your last post. You disgust me!

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Deep breath... am ok. Whew! Dan is such a prick!

And he's a self centered moron too!

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Dan, you are not God.

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99,

As far as you know, there is that of God in each one of us.

If you cannot entertain that notion as a serious possibility, you have no business taking up bandwidth on this thread.


Ack,

Krishnamurti has no more business than 99, in casting aspersions on the rest of us.  In as much as he does so, you have no business quoting him to us.  


10:25........

99,

This is not the place to denigrate persons.

That much should be clear to you and everyone else who cares to post on this particular thread.  

God has deliberately been concealing herself from us.  All of us are capable of entertaining that notion. If you are not, then you are wasting your time.  

Any one of us is capable of being God, at any time.  

It is the naysayers who sew confusion.  

However, if God didn’t love naysayers, there wouldn’t be so many.  

I just don’t need them in this particular space....... thank you very much.  


10:50.......

When God wishes to reveal herself to us, she will, and not a moment sooner.  In the meantime, there is no evidence that any visitor has been delegated to represent her to us.  

And, in that same meantime, there will be great confusion about the meaning of our presence, if there is any meaning, at all.

When God has spoken, we will all know it. Then, and only then, there will be no excuse for ignorance.

In this meantime, it can only be expected for us to make every mistake in the book. In fact, that is almost our interim mission.



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You're insane Dan... you are not God.

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Correct, 99,

I do not correlate with your conception of God.  

You are looking for God, for Love, for Truth..... in all the wrong places.  

You are looking out there.  

Finally, from the New York Times, no less, we have confirmation of phenomena that have no conventional explanation.  

Hallelujah.  

But then what?  What are we going to do about it?  

Yes, Virginia, we have uncorrelated phenomena.

All the King’s horses..... all the King’s men..... have been unable to correlate these phenomena...... not for the last seventy years, at least.  

We are now, officially, faced with a crisis of authority.  

People come to me, asking for my Sources.  My sources have dried up..... they’ve gone to ground.  

So sorry.......

Who are we gonna call?

Let’s call the President.....?  Hmmm...... I think he’s too busy.  If he’s not too busy, it seems like he’s too grumpy, like he gets out of the wrong side of bed..... every day.  

Have you noticed lately...... everyone is running around, like they were trying to find their heads.  Oh, dear, just when we need them, we can’t find them.  

Even our guru in residence seems to have skipped town.  

I’m thinking that he would tell us that we’re not contemplating our navels hard enough.  

I do have a similar sort of message, actually..... it is that we need to contemplate our navels a little more creatively and analytically.  Maybe we can work the Truth out with a pencil.  Let’s all sharpen our pencils, class.  



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