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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.

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Secret Space war 2

Post by pman35 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:04 pm

Came across this article on verterans today

There is an ongoing Secret Space War that the USG has been engaged in since 1947.
You are not allowed “to know” about it for certain, but you will be allowed “to believe” it exists.
In fact, soon you will be encouraged to do so as the Old World Order, the International Zionist Criminal Conspiracy (IZCS), is thrown under the bus by the Third Force which is beginning to make its move to restructure the world and seat its NWO Caesar of the Ages.
Controlled information leaks are now being orchestrated to help you believe UFOs and ETs are real without giving you actual verifiable proof or established public facts fully accepted and verified by the Controlled Major Mass Media (CMMM), necessary to “christen” or fully legitimize any such story.

This controlled leakage will provide the necessary cognitive dissonance to keep folks somewhat confused, suggestible and passive until such time that the Powers That Be (PTB) who run the world, the Old Black European Nobility (OBN) decide that full and factual disclosure will help them attain their NWO Globalist goals.
This means that you can now gain access to numerous very credible seeming personal testimonies, but no official USG body or the CMMM will carry such stories as established fact. At least for now.
But such stories verifying an “alien” or ET presence on planet Earth will come soon enough when the Third Force installs a New World Order Leader in Jerusalem, which has been the plan for the ages of those few at the top of the pyramid of control or world hierarchy going all the way to ancient Babylonia and perhaps even before.
Many of those who have worked in “beyond black” areas of national security have heard rumors that the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) has established various treaties and technology exchange programs with ETs aka “aliens” or EBEs. Some who claim to have had direct contact have come forward, but so far with no hard evidence backing their extreme claims.
Take the very interesting case of Charles J. Hall whom some believe is quite credible. He has written several books about his time working as an enlisted man in the presence of “Roswell type greys” and “tall white ETs” when in the military serving as a weather observer at Nellis AFB.
After a careful examination of his claims and the information he has provided, It certainly appears that Mr. Hall was set up and allowed to later become a credible source of testimony that ETs are here and in a business relationship with the SSG but without providing “smoking gun” proof. And that this was part of an agreement between the USAF high command or whoever was negotiating with the ET leaders.

Charles Hall was given air time on a prime time current affairs show in Australia which revealed his story to a substantial number of the public for the first time.

The apparent current modus operandi of the SSG in allowing and orchestrating controlled leaks without 100% verification in the CMMM and without providing verifiable objective pieces of “smoking gun” material evidence.
In this way the public can be slowly and incrementally prepared for later much larger disclosures while being kept in a state of cognitive dissonance which tends to keep them somewhat confused while suggestible and prone to passivity.
But why have so many secrets been kept secret about UFO, Alien ETs and anti-gravity craft (AGCs)? What is the SSG afraid of? Some have theorized that once the public realized that they had been lied to repeatedly since 1947 and that the SSG had murdered hundreds of citizens to keep the cover-up intact (at least during the earlier years up until the leakage of MJ-12 docs), that the public would never rust the USG again.
This reality could be created with a forced disclosure by those that pull the strings, the OBN, could be very helpful in convincing folks to break allegiance with their nation-state and its sovereignty and fully support a NWO Globalist Caesar that would clean up all apparent corruption and throw the IZCS and the associated central Banksters and moneychangers under the bus for good.
So we can assume that a long term strategy of the OBN to elicit deep chaos and destruction upon America and the whole earth could be used as a means to cause folks to give their allegiance to a NWO globalist ruler, a new Caesar of the Ages who cleaned up all corruption and instituted an honest real money system that treated everyone fairly.

President Eisenhower fully asserted his authority and got tough with the SSG and MJ-12.
It has been reported by several credible witnesses and there have been numerous rumors that President Eisenhower met with certain Alien (ET) leaders at Holloman Air Force while POTUS and actually negotiated standing treaties with these entities.
The following witness who desired to remain anonymous gave what should be regarded as an “end of life” testimony about his work for the CIA, his participation in Operation Bluebook (well known now to have been a cover-up operation), and his knowledge of ETs, anti-gravity craft, and MJ12, as well as how President Eisenhower forced the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) to provide information to him about these “beyond black’ matters.
Richard Dolan, a highly respected very credible researcher interviewed this man “anonymous” and folks who know Richard Dolan and his work have the highest regard for his pioneering research which has essentially identified the SSG as a breakaway society that has placed itself above the law and all Congressional and military and judicial authority, and which has in many cases even asserted itself as superior in authority to any sitting POTUS.

So it appears that the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) i.e. the “blackworld”, has hijacked America, asset stripped it for their own expensive needs and thoroughly abused so-called national security to serve as a false cloak for all sorts of treason, sedition and crimes. They have used national security to lock down and deny this knowledge even to many American presidents.
That strategy did not work however with Ike and he threatened to invade Area 51 and Dreamland with the first Army which caused the MJ-12 group which runs the SSG to give him and his personal aides access to these “beyond black” UFO/ET secrets of highest national security classification.

According to Whitley Strieber (quotation below taken from his website), Barry Goldwater who had been a Major General in the USAF, visited Wright Patterson Field while a sitting US Senator and requested access to all the UFO/ET secrets kept there including the recovered ET bodies.
He allegedly told a friend later on while retired that when he visited Wright Patterson Field he was shown some file photos of craft and bodies and told that if he insisted, he would be allowed full admittance to the secret hanger, but if he did the result would be that he would be tailed and watched continually for the rest of his life and all his personal communications would be monitored to make sure that he never talked about what was revealed to him, including to any members of his own close family. So as the rumor goes, he made the decision not to proceed.
In a 1967 letter to a reporter for the Bradenton, Florida Herald, Goldwater says, “The policy of the Air Force is to allow no one to see the UFO files at Wright-Patterson and, frankly, I can’t argue with this regulation at all. I did attempt to get in but I was told that no one was allowed and I can understand the sensitive and secret nature of these files so I didn’t press the point.”
If the SSG does have a technology exchange with various alien groups, what are the objectives and where is this leading?
For years those linked to top insiders have told stories that the folks that run the world (the top controllers or the Powers that Be PTB) are the head of a pyramid or hierarchical worldwide system of interconnected luciferian organizations who are alien/human hybrids and are working hard to bring Lucifer to Earth to be the NWO Caesar of the Ages. Some researchers have written extensively about this, David Icke for one and although many have doubted him and criticized his work, lately the more secrets that are revealed, the more his work and claims receive support.
President Ronald Reagan made references to the possibility of an alien invasion theat that would unify the world.

YouTube - Veterans Today -
Some things are so unimaginable that folks can’t fit them into their heads when first told unless they study the facts over time or see things firsthand.
Take Stew Webb, a battle hardened researcher, hard core truth addict and federal whistle-blower with detailed research going all the way back to the Iran Contra drugs for guns war and much more and who was the first individual to publicly identify and expose the International Zionist Crime Syndicate (IZCS) inside America. Although many of his claims have seemed extreme and impossible, especially the claims about this criminal group having well defined luciferian practices that are so evil as to be unimaginable, so far Stew Webb’s track record of such claims eventually being validated runs very, very high. Stew Webb has had and maintains a number of very deep contacts inside intel and at it periphery.
I know of several claims of Stew Webb’s that first seemed completely incredulous when I first heard them but have checked out to be 100% accurate as he had claimed, cross verified by reputable sources and retired intel, and these matters have involved things so terrible I would have wished they were not true. Stew Webb proves the point in spades, do not reject such incredulous seeming claims out of hand. Pay attention, listen and then spend time systematically researching such claims before you just reject them out of hand.
Stew Webb and David Icke are not the only researchers to claim that the PTB that run the world sit at the top of an evil or luciferian type hierarchy. There are others who have seen things that shocked them and caught them off guard. Here is one example and a story similar to many others who have provided protective services to the super-elites and ultra-connected.

YouTube - Veterans Today -
America and the world have been manipulated by the Third Force using criminal Kingpins and Cutouts to establish near complete corruption, disorder, wars, chaos and confusion all over the earth in order to motivate all the world’s peoples to demand a New World Order based on righteousness, rule of law and peace.
It is now evident that the world Banksters and Moneychangers (folks who are the Cutouts for the IZCS) are now being fully exposed for the very first time worldwide thanks to the Internet. It is now clear that they will be eventually thrown under the bus by the penetration and power of the worldwide Internet because the system they have set up is self-destructing upon them. And that may have been very craftily managed by the OBN who has complete control over them.

YouTube - Veterans Today -
Perhaps the Middle East will escalate and a small controlled nuclear exchange will ensue, taking out major cities and flattening Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, which will provide the pretext for a very special visitor from space to appear who will claim to be able to rescue the world from its apparent slide into complete destruction.
This will provide the motivation to accept a New Caesar of the Ages who will just happen to be a “space visitor” who presents himself to rescue mankind and “clean house” and institute a new world financial system that replaces the US Petro Dollar and Bretton Woods.
The track record of successful repression by the SSG has been very high and in some cases recalcitrant witness like Philip Schneider were murdered to keep them from talking or as punishment for breaking the rules and going outside their parameters. However, recent indications suggest this strategy of oppression to suppress these beyond black secrets is waning.
For those that have the time and want to learn about how sophisticated mindkontrol is used to keep individuals working in these areas within their parameters folks can watch the various videos by retired Lt. Col. Wendel C. Stevens (now deceased) which document one of these cases very well. Col. Stevens was a totally stand up man and highly regarded by peers.
This consists of an 18 part video series that for those with the time and interest will find very informative of how the SSG uses highly sophisticated trade-craft to keep folks in line. Here is the first of the 18. You can find the rest on www.youtube.com.

YouTube - Veterans Today -
And with the well-organized, methodical work of Steven Greer MD (Disclosure Project) to organize a large number of very credible ex-military and ex-USG witnesses who have told their stories publicly and violated their secrecy agreements in a manner which actually enhances “ true national security”, it is fair to assume these stories of an ongoing secret space program and actual visitors flying anti-gravity craft are well founded.
Take the example of well respected, highly credible Robert O. Dean a retired Sgt. Major from SHAPE (NATO) who had a cosmic top secret security clearance.

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Robert Dean has argued that these alien beings are very advanced but likely not malevolent or otherwise they would have depopulated the earth by now. Others with very deep connections disagree.
Veterans Today Senior Editor Gordon Duff sees this differently. Earlier in his career he was allowed to be an MJ-12 reader and believes that some of the alien ETs have used a large number of humans as victims and even food (1).
For many years there have been rumors that the SSG was so motivated to gain secret alien anti-gravity, weapons and other advanced psychotronics and electronic technology that they made certain agreements with a certain alien factions allowing abductions of human subjects for biological/genetic experiments as long as the humans were unharmed and there memories were erased. This agreement was allegedly made in the mid to late 1960′s and soon afterwards some recovered crashed alien craft showed that this particular group did not abide by the treaty and was butchering victims. Some SSG experts estimated that the number of humans missing from this numbers thousands per year.
This stark realization allegedly resulted in the formation of additional treaties with a certain group, the “Tall Whites” to work together to develop earth weapons systems which could be used to defend the earth against was was expected to be a major invasion which would come at a later time from this malevolent group.
And from this point on the SSG has worked very hard to develop space platform based weapons systems capable of firing atomic powered particle beams and plasma cannon at enemy UFOs.
Some researchers have hypothesized that there is an active and complex space war ongoing at present in the close space around the earth.

YouTube - Veterans Today -
There have been extensive rumors for many years that there is a sophisticated space war now going on between the SSG and their ET allies against an increasingly threatening malevolent alien force. This narrative has allegedly been used to scare and manipulate certain key Congress-persons and Senators as well as some some intel officials into violating the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and instituting draconian liberty robbing tyrannical laws and practices in order to save the world.
Some researchers have begun to view this narrative as one of the biggest lies ever told and nothing less than a major deception provided by the Old black Nobility OBN (Council of Twelve) who sit at the top of the pyramid or hierarchy of world control, exercised through a well developed by secret esoteric network of occult linked organizations which share their luciferian (satanic) evil designs for a one world NWO Globalist Government and which appears to be run on their behalf by an international crime syndicate.
The OBN is believed by some astute researchers to exercise this world control through the use of criminal Cutouts, their main one being the IZCS aka as the world Bankster crime network operating out of the City of London Financial District. In their own esoteric teachings this group and affiliates have taught that they are bred from ancient human/alien hybrid breedings forming special royal bloodlines that are protected by lucifer, and all his sub-gods. these folks specialize in the “black arts, the ministering of mass death to cull and purify the human race and maintain their power base. Their dream for many generations has been rumored to be to use mass war and Babylonian “money magick” central fiat Banking and usury to seize control of the whole earth and industrialize it, consolidate it into one new global economy which they rule while they minister death to massively depopulate the earth. Allegedly then they plan to completely restructure the human genome to form a completely subservient serf class of worker bees.
Thus, it is alleged that the IZCS is a worldwide criminal network of Kingpins and their cutouts that has been used by the OBN to establish intel networks and a highly sophisticated surveillance and control grid of the various peoples of the world that can be seized and used by the Third Force when it establishes its new World ruler. Some believe that the OBN is actually being run by a malevolent but very crafty alien force, the Third Force which will install a new Caesar of the Ages who will first appear as the Savior of mankind but after several years will turn out to be 100% evil through and through and will run a 24 hour mass murder machine unlike any other war regime in history, a 24 hour 7 day a week NWO “red terror”.
The New World Caesar will perform miracles and will present himself as an omnipotent, charitable Savior of mankind, the messiah so many folks from a number of world religions have been expecting and waiting for. He will provide a brilliant solution to the world monetary and trade exchange wars. And for a period of several years he will rescue the Earth and bring apparent peace.
After several years of great peace and order, the NWO Caesar of the Ages will suddenly change and inflict mass destruction on the world.
The Vatican has been building, buying up and leasing numerous observatories around the world and top Vatican astronomers have published papers that they are expecting a Savior to come to earth from space in a dramatic landing. At mount Graham Observatory in SE Arizona, the Vatican astronomers operate a very large new telescope they call lucifer and they apparently believe lucifer is the “angel of light” that will come as a n alien savior to rescue the world. Hmm, this is starting to sound very Biblical, like someone quite deceived.
Mr. Nice guy turns Mr. Evil.
But then a change will occur and the demeanor and management of this new World Caesar of the Ages will take a sudden turn to complete tyranny. He will seat himself in a new temple in Jerusalem as God Almighty and will institute a worldwide reign of terror that will be unlike anything ever before in in scope and depth of evil, death and destruction. He will mandate forced worship of himself as God Almighty and anyone who refuses to take his mark will be executed. He will make all religions illegal except worship of himself.
This will set off part 2 of WW3 as many countries and people fight to the death to repel this new World Caesar who now has fully revealed himself as a complete tyrant. Massive nuclear exchanges and battle will ensue, but he will so obtain a temporary victory which makes him feel invincible.
He will assemble a massive collective world army which he will claim is necessary to defeat a major space invasion against planet earth. He will reveal that the various leaders of Earth have been involved in a space war since 1947 when the first alien craft crashed in New Mexico.
The mark of the Beast will be used as a biometric identifier required to buy or sell.
This new World Caesar will eliminate anyone that will not take his mark as evidence they worship him and pledge complete allegiance. Of these he will assemble a highly advanced worldwide military force to fight and defeat a major space force which is closing on Planet Earth.
This article is based on interviews with those who have inside knowledge and will speculate, but will not typically confirm anything beyond a reasonable doubt. This information can best be described as “highly possible”. Of course based on the large number of similar stories from a number of independent, unconnected witnesses, at least some pretext for credibility is established by these stories. It would be a fair assumption to make that folks who reveal this sort of information and “highly possible” rumors are likely to have been given some sort of green light or protection to go ahead. In years past it has been far too dangerous to talk or write about such matters. Many heard about the special psyops unit at Kelly AFB of individually selected very strange looking MIBS who were often sent to scare off UFO or ET witnesses.
Experts have noted that there has always been a big split in the SSG and at least one major faction which has held back until now but is making its move to force disclosure. Some have also hypothesized that this action is due to an existing treaty with a certain alien group which requires it to fully disclose all political secrets about aliens, UFOs, anti-gravity and the IZCS and Bankster corruption as part of a larger plan to throw the IZCS and the Old World Order under the bus by raising up a NWO Savior who will fool the masses quite effectively.
Conclusion: This article is dedicated to all the brave men and women in past years, the true American Heroes who have given their lives to get the truth out and folks that now dare to write about this and disclose this information to us all.
Ike warned Americans about the dangers of the SSG if it was not throttled back and controlled in his last speech in which he identified it as the “military industrial complex”.
He knew it posed a great risk but it is unlikely that he ever thought it would morph into a murder machine using “national security” as a false cloak to asset strip America into near complete economic collapse as it has. he was willing to use the First Army to storm these secret bases to uncover the truth. Perhaps we all should adopt that position and elect a president who would do that and bust up the SSG crime syndicate which has place itself above the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and Rule of Law.
Postscript: Some researchers have claimed that the super-elite deviants, the PTB, the IZCS, the OBN and their Council of Twelve (the folks at the top of the Pyramid or hierarchy) and their Kingpins and Cutouts that run the world and pull the strings must operate under “rules of play” required by God Almighty. These rules require that they inform the public of what they are going to do ahead of time, allowing a sort of Cosmic consent without abridging basic human free will. Some have claimed that the coming NWO Ruler who will throw the IZCS and the Banksters under the bus and provide a new workable monetary system that appears to be fair to all, will seem great at first but will actually turn out to be the head Draco being, aka lucifer (the devil or satan) after which he will morph into pure tyranny and evil and will organize all the earths sciences and technology, as well as all the intel surveillance and mindkontrol technology to turn against Jesus Christ who will return from heaven for a final battle and complete victory.
Some experts with top clearance have known alien ETs to be non-evil entities, others have claimed some are using humans as spiritual and actual food and are evil to the core. There appear to be many different types of these aliens ETs and perhaps a full range of peaceful to savagely evil ones who specialize in mass mindkontrol and use of high technology to culturally, chemically and psychotronically transform humans into hive creatures that can be easily manipulated by governments they influence and perhaps are a part of.
Other researchers who have deep inside contacts and knowledge about ETs and anti-gravity craft (AGCs) claim that they are actually demons or the “fallen ones” who have left their proper abode and are awaiting judgment.
One thing that does now seem obvious to many is that the worldwide Internet and the alternative press is creating a world super consciousness that is exposing and bringing down a massive corruption in Banking and government as never before. For the first time in a long time, many deep secrets kept from the public that have empowered the super-elite deviants in the SSG, IZCS and all strata of life are being fully exposed. And as criminal as the USG and the SSG and the IZCS have been, it certainly appears that their days functioning as is are now quite limited.
References for those who have the time and interest:
(1) Gordon Duff, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhzVcGcdYLo
(2) Richard Dolan, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFeah-FvUY
(3) Peter Lavenda, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ire2jMRBQRw
(4) John Lear, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cahBk2jQyc
(5) John Lear and Stew Webb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0CoLMOFBA
(6) Richard Boylan, Ph.D., Secret Shadow Government (SSG), http://www.bilderberg.org/secret.htm
(7) Richard Dolan Presentation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROkeC3lmVA&feature=player_detailpage
(Cool Trevor Paglen, Book of Black World Arm Patches, http://www.amazon.com/Could-Tell-Would-Destroyed-ebook/dp/B00480OBQW/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369990148&sr=1-1&keywords=paglen+trevor
(9) Video claimed to be a Russian recovered alien autopsy video rom 1961, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HZq9sghbKY&feature=player_detailpage
(10) Video of live ET claimed to have been taken by KGB, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCt2Frq2iW8&feature=player_detailpage

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Re: Secret Space war 2

Post by Jake Reason on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:39 pm

Thanks Pman,

I see you forgot to add the original article link. I enjoyed reading the reader comments;


To all reading: Did you find that any parts in this column introduced a somewhat new perspective for you?

And does any of the content spur any questions within you?


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Re: Secret Space war 2

Post by Admin on Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:49 am

I've noticed a number of bits of remark.

Experts have noted that there has always been a big split in the SSG and at least one major faction which has held back until now but is making its move to force disclosure. Some have also hypothesized that this action is due to an existing treaty with a certain alien group which requires it to fully disclose all political secrets about aliens, UFOs, anti-gravity and the IZCS and Bankster corruption as part of a larger plan to throw the IZCS and the Old World Order under the bus by raising up a NWO Savior who will fool the masses quite effectively.

I do wonder if the article is as usual a mixture of truth and misdirection for self-protection. Or did they print their truths direct as a means of dispelling what is often claimed by their communicators as ufological/exopolitical community myths created by a mixed bag of ufology/exo characters whose egos are described as larger than their capacity to listen?

I suppose I could pick the article apart but without commiserating acts by ET or a return in real dialog what gain would we accomplish.

Apparently someone wants a perception of situational landscape present in a certain way.

In this respect one thing I find interesting is how it does not shirk tying the corruption, tyranny, and contact paradigm together in it's relationships as many ufologists tend to insist on avoiding. The authors obviously don't see themselves as residing in a vacuum.


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Post by Admin on Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:36 am

There is material which supports some of it.

This reluctance to deal with the stark and calculated obliteration of societal freedom is the ultimate curse of the human condition.

"Whatever its early mission, the Group is now "a shadow world government….threaten(ing) to take away our right to direct our own destinies (by creating) a disturbing reality" very much harming the public’s welfare. In short, Bilderbergers want to supplant individual nation-state sovereignty with an all-powerful global government, corporate controlled, and check-mated by militarized enforcement."

Bilderberg Authoritarianism Destroys Humanity:'It is difficult to re-educate people who have been brought up on nationalism to the idea of relinquishing part of their sovereignty to a supra-national body.' Prince Bernhard


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Post by Free1 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:42 am

Question While much of the info here is known to me it throws the credibility of the factual documented disclosures off by making an old world order/christian tie in with evil and lucifer seem like bs. My open mind can not accept centuries old biblical stories with extraterrestrial agendas.

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Post by Admin on Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:22 pm

Free1 wrote: Question While much of the info here is known to me it throws the credibility of the factual documented disclosures off by making an old world order/christian tie in with evil and lucifer seem like bs. My open mind can not accept centuries old biblical stories with extraterrestrial agendas.

Hi Free1,

Yes at one level of perception I would tend to agree. However there is a phrase I have found in my years of monitoring all of this to be unfortunately true: "the truth is different at every level"

It is not so much if a centuries old biblical story can be tied to this or not in one fashion or another. But rather what different groups at different levels of involvement or association BELIEVE to be true or what IMPERATIVE they operate under.

There are indeed some who believe in one or more versions of the biblical apocalyptic narrative and either work for or against it depending upon their given nature and perception of "truth".

Just because someone perceives a "truth" to be constructed in a specific way, does not necessarily make it true. It may be true as far as that particular individual is concerned. And that particular individual may participate with others of similar belief to make choices based on those or that truth.

So in this sense when doing research and attempting to come to an understanding of who the players are and what they perceive as "true" and why they make choices in this or that way, it is indeed pertinent and important to discern. In this respect the "truth" of the matter may in reality be somewhat less important than the "belief" in reality. Those constructs upon which individuals and groups build, have tremendous influence upon the course and outcome of the collective story.


What truths are the three parties involved in this video operating under? The man in the FEMA Jacket, the man in the tee shirt, and the videographer/witness who reports it?

We can talk about true in the clinical literal sense and be non-effective and thus miss key components necessary to our holistic understanding of the situational landscape. Or we can talk about truth in its relative sense with all its organic variations and relationships and gain a clearer sense of what we're dealing with. This doesn't mean we dismiss or neglect the literal truths out there. Or that we spend our time trying to modify the truths of others, but rather we come to a clear and thorough understanding of why other individuals and groups believe their truths are right and good enough to act on.

Key to real and meaningful dialogs begin with the ability to listen and hear what is being said. If it is determined or believed someone is in error at some point then the understanding of values and motivations rise and take part in the proposed formulation of change to perceptions which in turn have real and meaningful outcomes that carry a mutual benefit.


"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

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