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Post by Admin on Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:29 pm

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Hi ScarZ,

Thank you for posting this information. Does any of David Flynn's material give any idea to the time-frames for the early events or historical figures that his research indicated?


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Post by Jake Reason on Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:50 pm

Yes.
Nice selection of verses, ScaRZ
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Post by Jake Reason on Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:56 pm

There was an interesting Headline in Canada's National Post today....


Pope’s resignation tied to blackmailed gay-lobby within the Vatican: Italian newspaper

Feb 22, 2013 10:47 AM ET

Following Pope Benedict’s surprise resignation earlier this month, it didn’t take long for conspiracy theories to come out of the woodwork.

To a certain extent, this is expected — a Pope hasn’t resigned in centuries, and certain aspects of Benedict’s time at the top of the Vatican have been controversial — not least the damaging “VatiLeaks” scandal.

Today, Italy’s La Repubblica newspaper added fuel to the fire, alleging that Benedict’s resignation was prompted by a report prepared by three Cardinals on conflict and corruption in the Vatican — including what it says is the “inappropriate influence” of a gay lobby within the Holy See.

The newspaper — which has the largest circulation within Italy — says that Benedict asked three Cardinals, Julian Herranz, Josef Tomko and Salvatore De Giorgi, to conduct an internal report after the VatiLeaks scandal. When the 300 page report was delivered to Benedict in December, it reportedly cemented a decision that he had already been considering — it was time to resign.

What was so damning in the report? While La Repubblica doesn’t quote directly from the report, it contains details reportedly passed on by a senior Vatican source, which points to financial and sexual lobbies that have split the church.

The report allegedly stated that various lobbies in the Vatican were exerting influence on day-to-day-life in the Vatican, and routinely breaking two of the ten commandments — “thou shalt not steal” and “thou shalt not commit adultery.” The former refers to the controversies about the Vatican Bank, one of the key aspects of the VatiLeaks Scandal.

The latter commandment is apparently a reference to a “gay lobby” that reportedly exerts influence within the Vatican, La Repubblica alleges. The report infers that this group was the subject of blackmail attempts, detailing an “external influence” from those with a “worldly nature.”

Reports of financial corruption and homosexuality in the Holy See are far from uncommon, of course — the Vatican became embroiled in a gay prostitution scandal in 2010, for example, which La Repubblica highlights. However, this report is the first sign that these controversies could have played a role in Benedict’s resignation.

Curiously, the Guardian‘s John Hooper has a statement from the Vatican’s press spokesperson, Father Federico Lombardi, who doesn’t confirm or deny the report exists. However, Lombardi suggests the interpretations of the report are making a “a tension that is the opposite of what the pope and the church want.”

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Post by Jake Reason on Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:10 pm

And speaking of Popes....

C2C's George Noory interviewed John Hogue a few days ago.
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John Hogue, is one of the world's most prolific author/researchers on the subject of Prophecies. George and John talk about St. Malachy and other Catholic Prophecies.

This is one of the best interviews I've ever heard on this subject. There is so much packed into this interview, like what you would expect at a seminar! Among many things, John Hogue explains the Catholic view of end-times prophecies and how they differ from Protestant views.


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Post by ScaRZ on Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:49 am

Thank you Jake for posting the C2C interview. I hope I get to it tomorrow sometime.


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Post by Bard on Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:30 am

Of note: Pope related

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1945511


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Post by Nib on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:08 pm

I'm not sure what to think of all this. The timing. The last pope "Prophecy" and then all this sex/ homosexual stuff happening within the Vatican. Kids...

It's all so, "Evil".

The obvious problem being that the/ "this" "Prophecy" is not solid.

But seemingly happening right before our eyes.

Hmmm.. I think of the wizard of oz and Satan running the controls within the organization. Is it real or not?

But Satan is not real. Right?

All I truly know is we most assuredly live/communicate in interesting times................
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Post by ScaRZ on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:54 am

Very interesting times "Nib".

With all that's going down one thing is for sure,the Catholic Church is in the news.

Where flesh resides, no matter what system there will always be evil in the mix. I believe the whole not allowing marriage can certainly open up deeper problems. Allowing marriage would never be a 100% cure,but in my opinion would greatly help.

Even as the Apostle Paul was quick to point out. All are not the same and most need to marry.

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Post by ScaRZ on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:04 am

Cris Putnam series at his Logos Apologia blog.


Exo-Vaticana: Ancient Atomism and Extraterrestrial Belief
http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4490

Exo-Vaticana: Plato, Aristotle, Epicureans and the Apostle Paul
http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4509

Exo-Vaticana: Extraterrestrials and the Medieval Church
http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4570

Exo-Vaticana: Nicholas of Cusa’s Learned Ignorance Leads the Way
http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4629

Exo-Vaticana: Giordano Bruno’s Extraterrestrial Diabolicus
http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4660

Exo-Vaticana: Giordano Bruno’s Extraterrestrial Diabolicus II
http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4715
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Post by ScaRZ on Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:28 am

ScaRZ wrote:

The prophecy of Malachy doesn't necessarily mean the last Pope (Black Pope) will have a black skin color. It very well may be pointing to his true nature. In other words he will not wear the garment of white (light)that springs from within,but rather wears a garment of blackness (darkness) from within.

It doesn't matter what he may appear outwardly to wear,it's all about the true nature within. Fleshly (physical) eyes are easily deceived.



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Where does the term "black" even come from?

Is it Malachy or Nostradamus?

I can't find a decent link


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The whole Malachy prophecy of the popes comes down to those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies. Much like Nostradamus the words can be taken and inserted with an outcome already taken place. Make them fit as you think they fit.

To be honest I don't take any of it very seriously. I can talk about it,but that's as far as it goes for me.

"During the last persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit upon the throne, Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep amid great tribulations, and when these are passed, the City of the Seven Hills will be utterly destroyed, and the awful Judge will then judge the people" - St. Malachy




The whole "Black Pope" prophecy is something attributed to Malachy.

So is it or isn't it?




Here is a very old Italian prophecy that consist of The Black Pope and The White Pope.

"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night, then there will dawn upon the Christian nations the Great White Day."


There is someone already known as The Black Pope. The Black Pope is a nickname given to the Father General of the Society of Jesus. When the Jesuits were the most prestigious, influential missionary order in the world, the people of Rome began to speak jokingly of their head as a second Pope. They called him The Black Pope because he wore the Jesuits black clerical garb, in contrast to the real Pope, who wore white and became known as The White Pope.
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Post by Mur on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:19 am

Interesting...thank you.

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Post by Mur on Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:08 am

also to add....

Dan told me that Ron met with the pope in January.

Does anyone believe that's credible?
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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:06 pm

Mur wrote:also to add....

Dan told me that Ron met with the pope in January.

Does anyone believe that's credible?
December.
He posted about it in his thread. It was sanctioned to be posted by Ron. Dan adding his own comment, that the Pope must go. Or something to that effect.
I spoke with Dan in December (telephone) and he was under the impression that there was reason to believe it may be true.

I did not believe it. However, if there is something real about Princess Kashmir, it would make sense that she might be Christened for future political reasons.

I don't think they met the Pope directly. But I do believe it realistic they visited the Vatican Museum and St. Peters Basilica. If Ron is still active, there may have been an emissary contact for some purpose related to Intel.


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Post by Mur on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:19 pm

Thanks Jake...much appreciated.


Truth be told...yours is the knowledge I'm seeking regarding papal events.

You once shared about your visit to Rome....and other things at the old place that today's current events reminded me of.

I'm not sure you want to share that again but I'd be interested...



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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:35 pm

Thanks Mur,

No I have decided to refrain from retelling it. I also deleted my testimony from the old OMF a couple weeks before it was shut down. It's not in the archive.

I will say this though....Given the recent retirement of Ratzinger, I have changed my mind on him. I had thought he was in-the-know regarding Spiritual infiltration of the Vatican Holy-See. And that he was aiding their end means.

However I now think that the Vatican Exorcist was indeed in-the-know, as I am, however he was put on the throne to counter those Powers That Be. I believe it likely he resigned because he couldn't succeed. And has vacated in disgust.

You may recall that the Father confessor of Pope John Paul II, (I think it was Balducci) He said that one of the reasons John-Paul traveled abroad so much, was to stay away from the Vatican.


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Post by Mur on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:45 pm

Jake Reason wrote:And speaking of Popes....

C2C's George Noory interviewed John Hogue a few days ago.
click here

John Hogue, is one of the world's most prolific author/researchers on the subject of Prophecies. George and John talk about St. Malachy and other Catholic Prophecies.

This is one of the best interviews I've ever heard on this subject. There is so much packed into this interview, like what you would expect at a seminar! Among many things, John Hogue explains the Catholic view of end-times prophecies and how they differ from Protestant views.




Thx...listening now....but 2hrs 30 minutes maybe more time that I have at the moment
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Post by Mur on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:47 pm

Jake Reason wrote:Thanks Mur,

No I have decided to refrain from retelling it. I also deleted my testimony from the old OMF a couple weeks before it was shut down. It's not in the archive.

I will say this though....Given the recent retirement of Ratzinger, I have changed my mind on him. I had thought he was in-the-know regarding Spiritual infiltration of the Vatican Holy-See. And that he was aiding their end means.

However I now think that the Vatican Exorcist was indeed in-the-know, as I am, however he was put on the throne to counter those Powers That Be. I believe it likely he resigned because he couldn't succeed. And has vacated in disgust.

You may recall that the Father confessor of Pope John Paul II, (I think it was Balducci) He said that one of the reasons John-Paul traveled abroad so much, was to stay away from the Vatican.



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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:23 pm

Another interpretation I see, would be that he was forced to step down by an ominous worldly threat. And it could be either a black or white force. As either could be served depending upon the power play.

The next Pope is likely already selected. I do not expect an African.


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Post by ScaRZ on Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:41 am

I'm thinking an Italian will be the new Pope. The last two were Polish and German. The ultimate goal is to bring about once again The Holy Roman Empire. It just seems to fit much better for the religious leader to be an Italian.
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Post by Bard on Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:52 am

Thoughts.

The Vatican is well aware of the St. Malachy Prophecies.

The foundations were shook by the break of tradition.

Selecting a Roman/Italian Pope would do what to the already precarious times nations are embarking upon?

With economies tanking, threats of currency wars, threats of Nuclear 'incidents' from several nations states and various rouge/extremists groups to name a few - primarily directed at the west and those it supports - does the world need more?

By endorsing or self-fulfilling those Prophecies what would the chruch gain by this? Do the fathers take St. Malachy seriously? This is probably the most important question to ask.

Sitting a Roman, on the throne would most likely cause the spiritual bodies across the globe great angst and or 'contemplation' to the ushering of end times. Yet, perhaps that is/was the plan.

And yes - I enjoyed remembering the partial(?) account of your Vatican experience before it was removed, Jake. I hope you find the place and time to share it again with those of a less pernicious ear.

A story never told is a wisdom left in fold and fraught to fade to black.

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Post by Jake Reason on Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:39 pm

@ScaRZ,
I had been leaning toward an Italian too. I concede that I have been influenced by the leading expert accounts on that subject. They make sense. But none-the-less, I won't be surprised to be surprised. Too many games being played.

For the time being, I lean toward the view that the next Pope won't be the last.

Only days away till we learn who was picked. For eschatology followers like us, whoever is elected will present cause to ponder many issues.

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I think the Cardinals have little choice but to take the Malachy prophecies seriously. Regardless of whether they believe they have merit or not, they Know that many do take these kind of prophecies as guides. And the PtB are not immune from placing some measure of seriousness to "seers". Kings have been listening to "Seers" for millennium. So either way, I believe it will influence Political moves.

On another issue you raised:
My account that was removed - was complete and detailed.
It was honest and true as I could be.

You request I share for posterity;
'Wisdom' by definition is not for every eye and ear.
They knew something about me that I didn't know. And still don't know.
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Every record today effects the future.
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Post by ScaRZ on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:06 am

@Jake

I can't remember any details of your account that was removed. I'm sure I read it but it doesn't come back to me.
It wasn't the one where you knew demonic forces were there was it?


I don't think the Vatican likes admitting they take the Malachy prophecies seriously,but their actions speak much differently.

I wonder if one day the Pope will take his seat to Jerusalem. It certainly would be a move for the ages wouldn't it?

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Post by Jake Reason on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:20 pm

I have to ignore your post ScaRZ.

I've spent over two hours trying to respond in many ways. There is no response that helps.


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Post by ScaRZ on Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:21 am

ScaRZ wrote:

I wonder if one day the Pope will take his seat to Jerusalem. It certainly would be a move for the ages wouldn't it?

Second Vatican state to be established in Jerusalem

http://ivarfjeld.com/2012/02/18/second-vatican-state-to-be-established-in-jerusalem/

“The Old City of Jerusalem will become a “special regime”. It will be an autonomous, self-governing entity. The Chief Administrator will have minimum reliance on the existing regimes and structures”.

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Post by ScaRZ on Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:24 am

Jake Reason wrote:I have to ignore your post ScaRZ.

I've spent over two hours trying to respond in many ways. There is no response that helps.

I don't want you answering if in any way you feel it's better to remain silent.
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Post by Nib on Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:06 pm

ScaRZ wrote:
I don't want you answering if in any way you feel it's better to remain silent.

"MUR" should have never asked this to begin with! I love you dearly my Philly brother but you know this was something better left behind.
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Where is 99 when you need her? She's Catholic and this pope stuff is getting kinda interesting..

The problem is, these Pope Prophecy's are a dime a dozen..


One of the more interesting ones being Satan needing 75- 100 more years to accomplish the final downfall of man.. I say look it up Man!


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