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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:21 am

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    8:40.........

    smelly believes in many persons.  I believe in just one.  



    A belated Happy birthday Dan.

    Not sure which day it was, but mum and I send our best wishes. Trust your having a good birthday weekend.

    In discussing 'persons', I would like to offer my two pence worth to the debate.

    I eventually picked up Owen B's book on Thursday evening. I hadn't got too far but far enough with other recent occurrences to prepare me for the following day.

    On Friday mum and I had to call the vet for Rosie our eldest pony.

    She was according to the vet likely over fifty.

    She was tired and ready to go and so she did on a dry, sunny, winter day.

    I know I have in the past tended to over emotionalise things. Many of you here have been so kind and for such I am, truly grateful.

    But back to Rosie.

    I can't help but miss her. For mum and I it was a priviledge to serve and care for her but setting her free I can now smile.

    Back through the gateless gate through which we all must go.

    Now she is everywhere and nowhere. Smile

    Perhaps Smelly's awakening took him there? I dunno..

    So what has this to do with persons?

    The ancients said to 'know thyself..'

    I may not know who I am but I now know who and what I am not..

    Netti Netti

    Smelly / Ack

    I love the lens through which you bring forth the mind.

    Sharp minds and quick wits and good teachers..

    You both have a better handle on Philosophy than I do but if I can try let me put it like this

    Plato in his 'Timaeus' had it right. You don't even need to read the full work though I intend to Wink

    Is it not consubstantiation but not in the Lutherian sense that helps us understand..

    Together?

    It is only through you and all others or 'persons' that I can ever know the illusory me.

    Us.

    There is only 1 person.

    There is only love and our resistance to it.

    Oh and the resistance is love too.



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    Post by dan Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:33 am

    Scott,

    My condolences......... Rosie was one fortunate pony.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:35 am

    dan wrote:

    The only purpose of the Eschaton is to assure that we have a personal world.  

    A personal world must be self contained, in time and space.  


    (cont..........)

    I thought the Eschaton was also going to bring down the curtain on history?

    Do we not need that too?

    I mean, all this fighting needs to end with a session of high fives, fist bumps and hugs.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:37 am

    dan wrote:Scott,

    My condolences......... Rosie was one fortunate pony.  

    Thanks Dan but I think we were fortunate.

    I think we are all fortunate, even if for much of my little life I didn't see it, appreciate it or realise it.








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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:44 am

    To walk this line

    Is beyond All space and time

    Lines go curvy beat around the bush

    In never never land

    Best to keep things above board

    You don’t want to go down

    And meet the Horde

    Let them lurk and hide where they like

    The darkness in you

    Knows them as kin

    We will never be free

    Of our Faustian friends

    Whatever life and death is

    Make the best of it

    While you can smell the flowers

    I can’t promise you a thing

    Nothing is watching

    Your dark and noble acts

    There is only the Way

    And the fun that can be had

    Letting thoughts of self wash away


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:10 pm

    CS there is nothing to awaken from or to.

    It’s best to stay above board.

    It’s messy down there.

    Seeing is a gift and a curse.

    You see through everything.

    It hangs in the air like a mist.

    Being dreams this appearance.

    The truth is nothing.

    Enjoy this as you feel to.

    The experience of this can be stripped of our human filter.

    It is stark and naked raw power

    It is a bird washing in a puddle

    It is the passing of a deeply felt friend

    It is that feeling of being taking a breath

    It is an old smelly goat walking cold mountain
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:01 pm

    I’m not so dumb to take any final position on being.

    I may enjoy throwing eggs at the wall of being now and then.

    Just to watch my mess ooz off of it.

    It is what it is.

    Ta da!

    Sure we get angry.

    Sure we get sad.

    Some are depressed and others vital.

    We are all balancing between polarities.

    I have my tools in my wizard bag.

    I learned to analyze people and use post hypnotic suggestion to move things the way I like when I learned how I was being pushed. I became a pusher. I am continuing to learn and practice my art, neuro linguistic programming.

    My act is one long neurolinguistic soup with a tip of the hat to jack kerouac’s spontaneous long running style written on a single sheet of paper, my paper being a blog.

    A game is an adequate and better metaphor than most.

    It captures the truth that nothing is serious but our thinking about things and that’s nonsense.

    Our world is insane from knowledge.

    It happens to the best of us.

    Drunk with power.

    Feels good to destroy and build, doesn’t it?

    You feel like gods.

    Well, by certain definitions we are terrible infant gods.

    You don’t know what to think.

    But you are terrified without thought.

    Wasn’t it thought who led us out of our darkness?

    Or is thought an imposter?

    Taking credit for being.

    Isn’t it always trying to take the credit?

    That’s not digestible by most and why most are asleep.

    The mad hatter table is closer to the truth, to the quantum.

    But who really understands these things?

    Not I

    Not I

    Not I

    I am content to be no one.

    You like to dream about persons and I like to throw eggs at the wall.

    Guess what?

    Some of those eggs are made of gold and unless you throw them at the wall, you’ll never know.

    You don’t know much chicken.

    And there is your salvation.

    If you would only embrace it, you would truly have found it all.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:59 pm

    Smelly,

    You speak many wise words..

    There is much wisdom and nonsense all spoken here.

    I feel like a very little infant.. I wish I thought again like one though Wink

    Shame I have all this clutter going on in mind.

    Like Yoda said, I must unlearn what I have learned..

    What is clutter?

    What is mind?

    I don't understand anything. I just keep peeling layers away to see what lies beneath.

    Do you not think you may come down from Cold mountain a time or two?

    If not, perhaps I will travel your mountain someday.

    I may need to seek your help to ensure my compass headings are correct Smile

    If not perhaps I will make the banquet at the end of our sojourn.

    I do hope so.

    You and Ack have me listening to Alan Watts of late. Even this morning.






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    Post by dan Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:02 pm

    Scott,

    The Alpha and Omega permeate every bit of existence, because everything is a microcosm.  

    Disclosure will be the end of history.  The rest will be a wrap up, with sad and glad parts.  The curtain won’t come down however........ rather, the veil will be raised.  We will come to know ourselves for the first time.  

    The infinite dimensions of personhood will gradually come to light.



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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:13 pm

    Sounds good..

    the Eschaton gets my vote

    Its a much better choice than Brexit or no Brexit.. lol

    Dan you did say when I asked of TS Eliot's words in Little Gidding that he had it right.

    and I do now sense it is indeed a Small world..





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:20 pm

    We can live in this world not asking why and how.

    Does nature care what we think about it?

    Why think at all?

    To stay alive we mostly don’t even need to be conscious of our own working, we just do what we should mostly when we should unless our observer intervenes.

    So we learn to stay out of the way and allow free flow of our awareness as a way to maximize our living.

    What does our mind dream of?

    Staying alive forever unless we are in pain.

    Then we want to end the pain.

    Oblivion is one answer to pain.

    If I’m not here, who can feel the pain?

    Too easy.

    Master the pain.

    What is pain?

    I’d look into it.

    Look at this body, what a waste of engineering not to ride it out I say.

    Living is my act of rebellion.

    We do what we are made to do.

    Stay alive as long as we can to birth and protect the next generation.

    We live on through our genes?

    Self awareness is a genetic burp as far as I can make out, genetic destiny looking back on itself.

    I like to forget myself more and more.

    When we don’t think about things, we are open.

    There is no ending because there is no beginning.

    It’s just all flowing together.

    I don’t make the distinctions Dan does, which is why my fluid position can never be understood.

    What he thinks is ending, is just his own ignorance about himself.

    I’m happy to add to that flame Wink

    How high can we get the flames to go?

    Can god smell creation burning?

    Will anything witness us burning into ashes?

    Does it matter?

    It’s a slippery slope on cold mountain.

    Watch your step, or it could be your last.

    Best to stay with the others.

    Things don’t need to, nor do they mean, more than they are.

    Being seems more than enough to me.

    Now if I had been born in the ice age, that would have been what it was.

    It’s a tricky thing to look at yourself in the mirror.

    No one can fool you better than you can fool yourself.

    Sometimes, when no one is looking, the mask falls away.

    It is those moments I feel most aware of myself.

    When I do not need to front a projection.

    I can just be.

    This is a neural simulation around you, which soon becomes obvious of you look through images.

    The real is not a desert, it is surrounded by one, it is such a garden as we have never imagined.

    I would pay anything for a sniff or glimpse.

    It cannot be held or obtained or earned.

    Fate is ironic.

    Fuck fate.

    What is the matrix?

    Control.

    How do you escape?

    Embrace it.

    See through it.

    Grapple with nihilism.

    Let it all go Neo.

    Doubt, fear, regret, belief.

    Free your mind.

    Free my mind.

    No problem.

    **JUMP**

    **SPLAT**

    What does that mean?

    Everybody falls the first time.

    Right Trin?

    The garden is our first and last fairytale.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:06 pm

    Scott,

    I have looked back at some of TS Elliott.  He was a smells and bells Anglican, as one admirer put it.  

    Not quite smelly’s type, one would think, but their words do reflect each other, in odd ways.  

    There is that of the sinner in each.  You do not catch TS rejoicing in salvation....... very somber, as the British tend to be.  

    Certainly, they have humility in common.  Scientists share this, after their own fashion.  

    The chicken........?  Not so much.  


    smelly.......
    The real is not a desert, it is surrounded by one, it is such a garden as we have never imagined. I would pay anything for a sniff or glimpse.
    Out of nowhere, he throws this meatball against the wall.  

    Well, bless my soul, smelly!  How did that ever slip out?  

    Gee, smelly, it looks like you came to the right place.  

    It sounds like the garden of great price.  My Christian friends were aghast to learn that every Tom, Dick and Harry would get a free pass.  

    Well, perhaps after a bit of quality time in limbo.  

    Now, here is a piece of hope, if I’m not mistaken.  I’m not real sure where it came from, but far be it from me to look a gift horse in the mouth.  

    After three years, two little sentences slip out, and the continents shift.  

    Sorry, smelly, no backsies.  

    This little bit of rapture is just how we make our way to Monadnock.  

    We’re so enraptured that we hardly notice our former slave self, our hollow self, has mostly been melted away.  Our former crust had been consigned to the slag heap.  

    smelly knows about this...... he just didn’t get the garden part.  

    Dig deep, hope is in the bottom of the pot.  Mostly we just barely sense this......... this deeper spring of eternity....... it would blind us to look directly into the light.  

    Once you’ve seen the light, you can’t forget it.  Its reflection starts showing up everywhere.  

    Somehow, this is too embarrassing or too scary for us to admit...... even just to our selves.

    It’s far safer just to go on about our lives..... set the shiny things aside for a rainy day.

    We come into the world trailing clouds of glory. We learn to put it aside. Often we learn the hard way.



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    Post by Cuan Scott Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:56 am

    dan wrote:Scott,

    This little bit of rapture is just how we make our way to Monadnock.  

    We’re so enraptured that we hardly notice our former slave self, our hollow self, has mostly been melted away.  Our former crust had been consigned to the slag heap.  


    Dan,

    I sense whatever is burnt away is good thing. Even if I don't yet see what Smelly has.

    Purification..

    Remove what is on longer needed.

    Our chrysalis perhaps..

    Like climbers, we need only carry what is absolutely necessary.

    Especially if we all in time must climb Smelly's cold mountain.

    I have still to finish OB's book. I also have a few others I would like to point my attention toward.

    I know from your words of our "knowing what we need to know when we need it" and the little I know of the Tao, pushing is futile..

    both eyes on the path and wu wei

    Nonetheless, it is to our beingness that my awareness is now drawn to.

    I know the first peace is ours. each of ours.

    It's kind of why I found myself becoming less and less drawn to the Q phenomenon.

    In that fleeting moment of coming to know I am a part and the microcosm of Parmenides Macrocosm, that the light reflected for a moment off my little facet, I find myself wanting to be of service to the whole.

    Yet I know there is nothing needs to be done.

    Perfection is always present.

    I think of Joseph Campbell's giving up on our chosen life for the life waiting for us and what our 'return' brings back for us to share with all.

    Maybe being or to be is the way.




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    Post by dan Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:24 am

    Scott,

    What’s to be done about the best possible world?  

    You are correct....... in the first instance, there is nothing to be done.  

    This is basically why we don’t have a public Disclosure....... there is nothing to say about it.

    However, in the second instance, everything we do and say is done in the shadow of the kingdom come.  

    There are fundamental questions about the kingdom come, about which I have no clue.  

    My having no clue is just what the smelly ordered.  

    The kingdom come/Monadnock is both the furthest thing from us, and the closest thing to us.  

    The kingdom is within, at the core of our being, as you have pointed out.  

    There are many paths, and all paths lead to Rome.  But we should not make Rome our home.  It is our Source and our Telos, but we are all visitors.  

    Are we homeless then?  

    The simple answer is..... yes.  

    Before grappling with our homelessness, let’s consider the chrysalis that you mentioned in passing, perhaps taking it to be some sort of shell.  

    Allow me to take some liberties with biology.  I use biology mainly as a source of metaphors.  

    You might be thinking of a cocoon.  A cocoon is a shell spun by a moth caterpillar...... particularly by a silkworm.  

    I suppose our cosmic shell to be such a cocoon.  

    The cocoon protects the pupal stage of the moth.  

    I suggest that nature is our cocoon..... both earth and sky, and even our bodies, however I’m not a dualist.  


    2........

    Is nature then discarded when we hatch out?  Of course, not.  

    Nature is eternal, as are we.  

    I would suggest, however, that we are a bit less eternal than nature.  

    We survive in the butterfly.  

    I have suggested that we are to God as our neurons are to us.

    At the same time, I have said there is no God.

    We have to navigate between the Scylla and the Charybdis.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:20 am

    Careful now, you have to be smelly to not understand me.

    Cold mountain’s paths are slippery and in a day traveling you may lose more ground than you gain.

    Our definitions of what a garden is may be very different.

    Do I mean the self?

    Or the spring the way flows from?

    I did qualify the garden as our first and last faerytale.

    First and last, get it?

    Or I could have had a moment of hope gained from a glimmer of light.

    These are my words now.

    Religious language just won’t do.

    I would pay anything to be a real boy.

    It only takes one view from the peak of cold mountain to unravel the world.

    Who would dare it?

    Who would risk chaos eternal?

    I DO!

    Q can lick the bottom of my hooves.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:42 pm

    Dan,

    I agree we are the visitors.

    As visitors though should we not at least clear up our mess and put all the toys away neatly for future children to come to play?

    I'm sure we didn't leave out being good children in the end.

    This place tis a magical land .. even if I didn't always see it..

    I remember reading something of Blake in which he said we live in Nature but are not of it..

    Makes more sense now.

    A clearer lens provides a wider angle view Smile

    As to navigating between the Scylla and the Charybdis, I just briefly read up on them. They sound kind of scary..

    I would plan on setting out for the middle path and if that doesn't work then maybe I need to make sure I can borrow Masefield's Box of delights.. 'Go fast or go small..'





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    Post by Cuan Scott Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:59 pm

    smelly wrote:Careful now, you have to be smelly to not understand me.

    Cold mountain’s paths are slippery and in a day traveling you may lose more ground than you gain.

    Our definitions of what a garden is may be very different.

    Do I mean the self?

    Or the spring the way flows from?

    I did qualify the garden as our first and last faerytale.

    First and last, get it?


    Smelly,

    you have been very kind to me and I am and will always be grateful to you. Your a wise and generous goat.

    Climbing is serious business.

    I know goats are good climbers but you appear to have scaled a mighty peak.

    Only those with strong life force wish to venture into the death zone above 26,000 feet.

    They say you die fast up there.

    I'm not sure how high your mountain is, how steep and ragged the slopes are but climb I must.

    I don't know why.. but then I believe many mountaineers and explorers could offer something similar if asked.

    Perhaps at this stage I have already lost more than I have gained.

    I sense maybe more will also be lost. Wink

    Final participation beckons







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    Post by dan Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:22 pm

    smelly,

    I’m not the one looking for a garden.  

    My main hope, for now, is threat reduction.  For this reduction to to come about, however, there will have to be some fundamental attitude adjustments.  

    Can this be accomplished without a MoAPS?

    Telephonic technology is the biggest threat reducer at present, and it still has some way to go, in that regard.  Telegraphy has gone some way toward obviating a MoAPS.  

    Universal access to information, fake or not, can go a long way toward a universal truth, the path will be  more obscure than once hoped.  

    The most shrill and confusing voices will gradually fade out.  

    Wikipedias and universal translators still hold much promise for us...... not to mention individual channels of communication.  

    I don’t know when political populism and demagoguery will peak out..... that remains our biggest threat.  

    There is legitimate concern that empowering a metaphysical dimension in the public sphere will only add to the existing confusion.  

    The printing press certainly facilitated religion and social schismatics.  

    We were barely recovering when the internet exploded.  


    6:45...........

    There is a widespread belief that one way to defend against social conflict is to advocate for the tolerance of greater pluralism.  

    Advocacy for religious and social pluralism is often seen in the context of a scientific fundamentalism. Religious freedom is strongly correlated with modernism.

    There is still an underlying materialist worldview, which serves as common base.

    The BPWH seems threatening to this modern accommodation.



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    Post by dan Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:45 pm

    However, before taking off on pluralism, we should pause to enquire about Scott’s prospective adventure upon the goat trails of Monadnock.  

    smelly and Scott refer to this as Cold Mountain.  There seems to be an unstated agreement, and there is a general consensus among ‘climbers’, that they all have a similar challenge in mind.  

    If either of you would care to comment, it might be helpful.  

    Often times, it is reported that various entities are encountered on such adventures, for instance.  

    Upon our deaths, many suppose that we embark on such an adventure.  

    This particular thread is explicitly dedicated to such a prospect.  


    8:50...........

    Back to pluralism.......

    Yes, pluralism is politically correct..... in fact, it defines political correctness.  

    In the fragmented world we live in, pluralism is eminently pragmatic.  

    It may well be that the world is fragmented in some fundamental fashion, and that we’ll just have to learn to live with it.  

    Accepting fragmentation is often seen as a form of resignation.  

    However, for those who embrace a literal or quantitative notion of infinite existence, pluralism is accepted as something positive...... something to be celebrated.  By the same token,  they abhor the notion of a finite world....... a don’t fence me in, kind of posture.  

    Once you have embraced an infinite multiverse, thinking small is something to be scorned.  The notion of a qualitative transcendence is looked upon with skepticism.  

    Can’t we have both quantitative and qualitative infinitudes?  

    Perhaps, but I do believe that these two notions, taken together, are incoherent.  


    9:50.........

    So what is the big attraction of monism?

    The attraction for me is that it we have a home to come back to, even if that home may be Cold Mountain. I’m speaking on behalf of humanity. Monadnock holds out the possibility of something warmer and fuzzier.

    This homing instinct does run up against the desire to sow one’s wild oats. We need some of both, and this world is suited to both...... just not in a star trekky fashion.



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    Post by Cuan Scott Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:47 pm

    Dan,

    Regrettably I do not yet have experience of Smelly's mountain. So I cannot speak of any such entities..

    I too am hoping he can provide directions to ensure all others safe passage.

    My sense though is all adventurers in the end, reach their destination.


    As to pluralism, are we not seeing aspects pointing toward this occurring now  and in recent years at grass roots level?

    Everybody wants their unique identity, views, beliefs etc.  recognised and respected.

    The only problem it seems is that we haven't quite reached tolerance for everyone else who wants the same.

    I agree telephony and modern communications most notably, the internet have connected us, opened our eyes to new wonders, possibilities and enabled much benefit.

    The pace of everything has understandably increased.

    Modern communications have made our world smaller. one could even say in some aspects more personal.

    Sadly though,this has also resulted in our drowning in information.

    People and their minds are at the point of overload.

    More of the same won't change it.

    How is anyone to achieve clarity or understanding when already at breaking point?

    Materialism in both the literal and scientific sense both appear to be on their last legs, but it is still the prevailing and dominant paradigm and will need more than a few tweets or podcasts to change it.

    Buying and having more 'stuff' isn't and won't yield a significant increase in Gross Domestic Happiness and we still have too many without even the basic essentials of life.  


    I say we all need to pile in and take the Wonkavator through the glass ceiling
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:05 pm

    Smelly did nothing special here.

    I see right through him.

    We don’t need anyone’s directions to cold mountain.

    A goat is a goat.

    I wouldn’t ask smelly for directions if he were the last man on earth.

    I make my own way here.
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:25 pm

    Scott,

    In the modern world, most such adventures start in a village and end in a city.  Very few make the return journey.  

    The spiritual quest is the path less traveled.  And, yes, both Ack and smelly seem have embraced their destiny, right back on terra firma.  


    Ack,

    Well, you have had two mentors on your spiritual journey, with diverse results.  

    I’m sure that you might be able to offer some guidance of your own.  

    You have told me some interesting things, some of which have been reported here.  

    And smelly has also been of some help, when he is in the mood.  

    Myself?  I just happen to be more into conceptualizing that into experiencing, but I do value the few experiences that have been vouchsafed to me, over the years.  

    I had been conceptualizing about physics.  It took a personal experience to put me on to conceptualizing about metaphysics.  

    My biggest regret in life has been my inability to win the trust of the Princess.  Some things were just not meant to be.  There are some things about the chicken that she may not have wanted to pick up on.  She is set on a very definite course.  She does not suffer fools.  


    11............

    Back to Cold Mountain........

    In the BPW, all of us make it back eventually.  There is no other place to go.  

    However, in the process of getting home, much of what we may hold dear about ourselves, may have to be sacrificed in the process, as so much excess baggage.  I’m sure you’ll understand.  

    Hold firm to the conviction that, in the end, nothing will be seen to have been wasted.  

    Just because you have to leave a valuable item at the doorstep does not mean that you will not come to understand its place in the whole.  

    But then what is this butterfly returning to Cold Mountain, if it is not some sort of super Being....... some God?



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:24 pm

    The only guidance I could give myself is to show myself the way by being the way.

    But, self and other always go together.

    I am the way also means you are the way.

    We do what we can to help ourselves remember the way.

    And remember, all ways are the Queen’s ways.

    That is to say, there is only really one way, and that way is many ways.

    I would also say love the appearances.

    Finally I would have nothing more to say.

    Broken records on repeat.

    Deja Vu is kinda neat.

    I’ve been here before I know, just another part of the show.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:23 pm

    The way to cold mountain is not the way one might think it is.

    The way to cold mountain is through the Underground Railroad.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:35 pm

    Before you can rise CS, you have to descend.

    A filter for the pretenders.

    The crest always has a trough and the trough always has a crest.

    That’s why breathing immediately reveals it all.

    I didn’t read that.

    I experienced it.

    The journey in and out is worth living for.

    It was incredible to know myself and it certainly hasn’t stopped.

    I am in firm embrace of my self.

    Yes, that is rare in life and I have to say life before can’t compare.

    Life as it is is where it is always at.

    Bahahahahahaha

    Isn’t that hilarious!

    Kills me.

    Then you can even suffer foolish pretenders like Dan and Ack Wink

    Bahahahahahaha

    I kill myself and I will eventually one way or another.

    I enjoy smiling at death each morning.

    Keep things simple.

    As simple as breathing.

    You don’t have to do anything.

    It’s kinda profound.

    One day I won’t breathe.

    Until then...I’ll do as I damn well please, when I damn well please, with whom I damn well please.

    Just don’t tel my wife!

    Bahahahahahaha

    Dan should care about himself and forget princesses.

    Maybe she knew that and pushed him out so he could finally fly on his own.

    It’s funny how one starts to sound like a proverb walking around cold mountain.

    Guess one can’t help it.

    Just babbling to yourself in the end.

    Dan, nothing ever written or will be will capture the experience of breathing.

    Living is as simple as breathing.

    One never needs leave the breath.

    No theories needed.

    Old goats only carry what is needed.

    As nothing is needed...

    Wrestling with god and the devil, swimming in the deepest pit or climbing the highest mountain, all have one thing in common, my breath.

    When I have no breath, I won’t know.

    While I do...breathe in...breathe out.

    That’s all you need my dude.

    Amazing how a binary action can reveal reality.

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