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Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by dan Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:36 pm

"Here we see that solipsism strictly carried out coincides with pure realism. The I in solipsism shrinks to an extensionless point and there remains the reality coordinated with it."

—Ludwig Wittgenstein
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Post by 99 Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:08 pm

If Air Force One has a pod, then that would be classified information. So no matter that Trump said it doesn't have one... or rather, the new one, that doesn't mean much. It would most definitely make sense for that plane to have one though.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:42 pm

The word and history have their place here.

But they only describe brief experiences.

They in no way can really capture the moment fully.

So we can stay aware of their limitations.

We can’t capture creation with words or god or the future or really even the past.

Gravity is a concept for a real effect.

Naming it doesn’t make it real or fully describe it ever.

Are there words to describe a fractal image?

Words are words.

Jaques Ellul says something in his book “Humiliation of The Word” I was struck by.

“We think that truth is contained within reality and expressed by it. Nothing more. Moreover, there is nothing left beyond reality any more. Nothing is Other; the Wholly Other no longer exists. Everything is reduced to this verifiable reality which is scientifically measurable and pragmatically modifiable. Praxis becomes the measure of all truth. Truth becomes limited to something that falls short of real truth. It is something that can be acted upon.

The Word is related only to Truth. The image is related only to reality. Of course, the word can also refer to reality! It can be perfectly pragmatic, used to command an action or to describe a factual situation. The word enters the world of concrete objects and refers to experiences of reality. It is the means of communication in everyday life, and as a result it fits precisely with all of reality. It conveys information about reality and takes part in the understanding of it. It can even create reality, producing effects that will become part of reality. Thus the word is ambivalent. But its specificity lies in the domain of truth, since this domain is not shared with anything else. On the contrary, the image cannot leave the domain of reality. It is not ambivalent.”


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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:44 pm

George meant the pod in movie Air Force One.
Pod was in presidents plane in Escape from New York first though.
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Post by dan Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:56 pm

Ok, smelly, that is funny....... did donny think George was asking about the Princess pea pod?  Maybe.  I’m mean, why not have it with him on foreign excursions?

That would definitely been above top secret.
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:58 pm

I’m 50/50 on if he spilled the beans.
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Post by dan Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:59 pm

Very good, smelly.  

Go to the head of the open minded class.......!

In fact, I’ve been on the phone for an hour and a half with Source B, on this very topic.  

Let me assure you that he is very skeptical..... so skeptical that he spent an hour and a half reassuring me that the Princess still has to put her pants on...... one leg at time.  

Thank goodness that I still have access to this level of sanity!



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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:14 pm

I would be skeptical if god popped into my living room.

You know how much I think of words and by extension anything any talking monkey says.

But it’s good you can talk to them.

There is no need for this goat to ever speak to anyone Wink

Sorry, just an aside.

The more skeptics around here the better.

I don’t have much respect for non-skeptics.

And believers, eeeeeek!
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Think this is produced by TTSA?

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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:51 pm

Hmmm...

Private company?
Advanced individual developed tech?
Military developed?

These have to be considered as mostly likely first and ruled out.

If any of these groups are this far ahead it’s unlikely we can determine the source unless they escalate contact, no?

Where are the men who came and took the evidence when the other pentagon dudes released a video?

Did they steal it?

They obviously have high level cover.

Many holes here.
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Post by dan Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:04 pm

Folks will want to know if the Presidents have been briefed.  

Is it freind or foe?

Have we ever communicated with them?  

There are plenty of obvious questions.  

Then comes the Wilson/Davis interview.

Now that the stuff is being put out, after seventy years, the public may not put up with it being just dribbled out.  

Some folks will want to know if anyone is on top of it.  

Why all the secrecy?  Who is afraid of what?  

Ron was telling me that the original story was fake, but the story is still here, and Ron has gone away.  

Source B........? I believe he told that he once got an email from the Princess. He is mainly just interested as a military historian. If I wanted him to speculate about the future, I would have to pay him.

He does lend credence to the BPWH, but that’s as far as he goes.



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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:40 pm

I think one of the most obvious questions, why, after all this secrecy and NDAs and dudes who lock evidence down, do these TTSA guys get to just release videos and hook up with money guys?

Could be a shift in strategy or the beginning of a more public aspect of the investigation.

Was this a shifting of the research to private companies?

Like the dude who took over Mufon, Bigelow, he must know more than most.

The UFO community is rabid at this point it seems.

They are sick of dribble dribble.

I watch AP sometimes and he pushes the material as far as I can tell.

He’s a definite out there tin foil kook.
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Post by 99 Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:46 pm

smelly wrote:Think this is produced by TTSA?


Thanks for posting this vid. Just watched it for the first time. It's very compelling. 

Looking at the end credits, TTSA does not seem to be there but it looks like it's a made-for-tv doc.
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Post by dan Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:48 pm

smelly,

Well, obviously the cover up has been coordinated.  

Should we not presume that the releases are being coordinated by the same group?

Source B refers to this group as SRG.  I prefer the old acronym..... mj12.  

Folks, if they want to know anything, will want to know the core story.  

The purpose of the Aviary was to piece that story together.  That was story I got from Rick Doty, back in the Nineties...... about the three Visitors.  Are there any researchers not aware of the core story?  

Ron was certainly in my face about one of the Visitors being Aliyah...... up until I was ‘thrown under the bus’.  

And then folks are going to want to know what story was being told by the Visitors.  

And here we are, at ground zero, even if it is under the bus.  And how long will it take folks to start looking under the bus?  

Source B is not willing to speculate with me about any future timeline. But, I ask you, for how long will folks be content with searching for shards in the desert....... being led blindfolded around in the desert, as one researcher recently reported.....?  

I give most folks a little more credit than that.  

And why all the secrecy, if there weren’t something ‘disturbing’ about the message?  Rick Doty used that exact word with me, back in 1997, just before Hale-Bopp and Heaven’s Gate...... back in the good days.... when Mitchell was meeting with Wilson.  


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I had to point out to Ack that his post below is ignoring the hours that he and I spent discussing this very question.......

He spent hours on the phone with Visitor #3..... instructing him about portals.  

She was not here to ask questions.

Ack apologizes for not paying attention to the story, obviously....



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Post by 99 Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:51 pm

Yup

Michael W. Hall played a part in the release of those docs and his law firm is in the end credits of this documentary too.
Hall is Cameron's attorney, btw.
Dolan does not believe that Hall himself is the source of the public release of those notes.

Cameron and Dolan had those docs weeks (or a few months -- have to do a re-check on that) before its release to the public and according to Dolan, neither one of them wanted to be the one to release them (the Wilson notes) to the public.


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Post by 99 Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:41 pm

I didn't know that Ron had issues with that. At any rate, the 3 visitors in the core story are known and she is one of them.


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Post by 99 Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:46 pm

Ack wrote:I suspect the visitors are here to understand our story just as much as we are here to understand theirs.

Or they could be harbingers of an upcoming global paradigm shift?
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:54 pm

I don’t read into what I’m seeing.

I try to work with the appearances as they appear.

I don’t pollute my mind with ufo history.

I’m trying to stay spontaneous and intuitive.

Quantum weirdness showed me the aviary no longer exists.

I’m sticking with that.

So.....

It could be the same group who just changed polarity, this SRG.

Sure.

There must be factions.

But consider monkeys are opportunistic and selfish.

I think advanced tech would be too seductive not to try to hoard it.

To gain power and leverage with.

The power would likely be more like sand.

The rich and secret society typez would be right in there.

What a tangled mess.

You spend decades researching and maybe put some things together and then you have nothing left.

You have to become a ufo junk dealer to make a living.

You end up a laughing stock.

You should try to cash in Dan, I’ll be your manager.

We will clean up. I can just ask you questions on a stage Wink

The inner sanctum of ufo lore must be like the env the tent revivalists created with fake healing.

And I’m not asking about source B Wink

Quickly surveying the UFO kooks, it seems the CORE story is mostly not accepted.

I’m willing to bet the really good researches are not seeking notoriety and would use others to push what they find maybe.

I wouldn’t be public.

You could take your Magick box around and show people and make secret converts.

I guess it’s all half hidden in the open.

So what is there to know they are missing Dan?

Is the CORE story fake?
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Post by FatThorDude Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:59 pm

Don’t search for shards of illusions in the desert.

You know, seek your self.

I think at the end of UFO doubt and disillusionment, a portal to your self awaits.

So even if the whole UFO/UT/ET thing is a fake cow patty, it’s a setup for making a quantum leap sort of speak.

Nothing wrong could happen or right.

It’s just happening and any situation or form is a potential portal to wonderland.

What would Marcus Aurelius do?

Hmmmm.

He I respect in all of time.

Really, that dude had the stuff.

He even had a heart.

I’m sending this out into the Noosphere to you Marcus!

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