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Post by dan on Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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Post by 99 on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 pm

So what does this tell you Dan? Who need to resort to fictitious meta-narratives when the truth is much, much more bizarre?
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Post by El Chivo on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:11 pm

Trump is the master of morphing reality to his will.

He has no need of facts or truth.

Can’t appeal to any sense of care about others.

He just doesn’t care what happens to anyone.

I am pretty sure his mind is gone at this point.
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Post by dan on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:12 pm

Gosh, 99, I thought I could fool you.


smelly,

Donald will do what he needs to do.  

I would not count him out of the game, just yet.

He’s been smart enough to have had Ron whispering in his ear from day One.  

I guarantee you that, that is the best information available, outside of having a Visitor sitting in his lap....... and I wouldn’t discount the possibility that Donald hasn’t already had his finger in that pie.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut....... I might even have the inside track on that one.



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Post by El Chivo on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:24 pm

Perhaps or Ron strung you along Wink
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Post by 99 on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:26 pm

Trump is going to opt for votes to be re-elected over everything else. If full Disclosure brings in more votes as opposed to him being amongst the 1% who can profit from keeping known classified info on UFOs and etc secret to be able do that.... he'll go with full public UFO Disclosure and will make sure that happens. (RE-ELECTED)

We are, afterall, dealing with a yuge ego.
It's more than money... it's POWER.


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Post by dan on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:40 pm

99,

Very likely Donald has been planning for this denouement from day One.


smelly,

Thanks for bringing that possibility to my attention. I better think that one over.
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Post by El Chivo on Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:59 pm

A lot of folks stringin others along if you hadn’t noticed.
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Post by El Chivo on Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:05 pm

Regan lost his mind at the end, Alzheimer’s or something.

He didn’t take much with him, but he was great for old rich white guys.

I worked at an Alzheimer’s home as a kid.

It could be seen as a curse to a muppet or a freeing of the mind.

They end up like kids, but their bodies twist into an aushwitz pretzel at the end.

It ain’t pretty.
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Post by El Chivo on Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:32 pm

It appears so insane out there.
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Post by hobbit on Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:35 am

smelly wrote:Regan lost his mind at the end, Alzheimer’s or something.

He didn’t take much with him, but he was great for old rich white guys.

I worked at an Alzheimer’s home as a kid.

It could be seen as a curse to a muppet or a freeing of the mind.

They end up like kids, but their bodies twist into an aushwitz pretzel at the end.

It ain’t pretty.

Have You learned the lessons You were there to experience yet?

I have.








Think of Your memory field ( of consciousness) as been written from centre to edge (opposite to an LP) thus as it shrinks You will only have early memory written on it.

Imagine this planets memory field shrinking??????

They are F..... with the planets field now, should We not protect our mother?

Are We not children of this planet?

We are akin to transmitters, as is the planet, We are receivers, as is the planet.


Do You know much about the JOE CELL?


the biggest clue is it's name... it is JOE....use Your imagination to work out how He puts himself into something ….banker.


The UFO will be same.


It's all about memory, unique to each field.



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Post by dan on Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:43 am

It can be useful to do a google check.......

I’m not able to see any significant new follow up to the Times or the Dolan stories.  Let us know if you do, please.

Who’s following the bouncing ball?  Only the researchers.....

Is TTSA still calling the shots?  Was the timing of the two releases coordinated?  Researchers would have a pretty good idea.  Gary is our only research person, but he does not engage with us.

Besides to the document itself, here is the main link that Richard gives...... http://omnitalkradio.weebly.com/pentagon-ufo-briefing.html

The article mainly contains a timeline from 1997 to date.  

The Greer presence is somewhat distracting.  

The timeline does not mention Eric Davis.



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Post by 99 on Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:14 am

Here's a vid from Post Disclosure World that's on Wilsons notes. Ryan interviews Chris Mellon who is "Chief Adviser" at TTSA.  



Chris Mellon (of the Mellon family) - is the former United States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and later for Security and Information Operations. He formerly served as the Staff Director of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
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Post by dan on Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:52 am

Thank you, 99,

What was confusing me was that there are two Wilson meetings in question.......

1.)  the 1997 Pentagon meeting involving Greer.  Wilson is told of program being funded by the Pentagon of which he is not aware.  He says that he will look into it.

2.)  a 2002 hour long meeting between Wilson and Davis in a parking lot.  Eric’s notes from this meeting, describing Wilson’s attempted follow up, are what were recently publicized by Dolan.


11:15........

This email by a researcher describes the relation between Greer and Miller...... http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2000/jun/m02-008.shtml

Those two are not lending gravitas to the proceedings.  And now, 99 is further confusing the meetings....... so it goes.....
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Ok, 99, thanks for the clarification, also below.....
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Wilson does come out in the Davis document as being strongly opposed to the Miller/Greer connection.



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Post by 99 on Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:56 am

Here's a transcript of what Dolan talked about in this video.... it's on his website: https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/


He gives Eric Davis' background and his work with Hal Putoff and so on. 
As for those documents Dolan states:


"These notes, then – 15 pages in all and included at the bottom of this article – were written by Davis in the aftermath of a meeting he had with Wilson in October 2002. They concern a series of events that took place during the spring of 1997, when Wilson was Deputy Director of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff"


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The second meeting was Davis and Wilson in back of a car where Wilson gave his account to Davis of what transpired with various officials about the black ops project involving the craft. The notes are Davis' notes on everything that Wilson said about it. 


This happen immediately after that gov't meeting attended by Mitchell, Wilson Davis, Miller and Greer ... in the back of a car.


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I have to read over Dolan's page again. Above is my "off the top of my head" recall of that information but you're saying that the meeting in the parking lot took place in 2002 and not immediately following what was a Pentagon meeting that included Greer and Mitchell in 1997. 


Yes... it's a bit confusing. Dolan seemed to lack clarity in the vid when first talking about all of that. At least for me  


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update: am reading Dolans  page and the meeting of said document took place between Davis and Wilson in 1997 not 2002.


But the doc. itself was dated on 2002.  


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Correction: 
As stated by Dolan... 

"As stated, this note is dated October 16, 2002.

The two were set to meet at 10 a.m. that day, and Wilson apparently was ten minutes late, arriving with two Navy officers in uniform. Wilson himself was in civilian clothing.

The two sat in the back of Wilson’s car for a little more than an hour, in back of the EG&G Special Projects Building. One interesting thing about that is that EG&G’s “Special Projects” division was the operator of the Janet Terminal at McCarran Airport in Las Vegas, which became famous or notorious as the airline to fly employees and contractors to remote government sites in Nevada and California – places like Area 51.

Davis began asking Wilson about a very important meeting dating from April 1997. At the time, it was known only to a very few people. But it involved UFO researcher Dr. Steven Greer, Apollo 14 astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, and a U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Willard Miller, who met with Wilson and two other individuals, Admiral Michael Crawford and General Patrick Hughes. In Edgar Mitchell’s recollection, the date was April 9, 1997. Later in the notes, Wilson gives the same date."

My comment.... ok, they were discussing that Pentagon meeting that was in 1997, 

It sounds like the meeting between Davis and Wilson in the parking lot took place in 2002. 


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Post by dan on Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:10 am

I did speak with Doug yesterday, I think he was still in Mexico, on vacation.......


Doug,

The background story has been paused while we go over the Eric Davis document, again, to see what is actionable.


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Post by 99 on Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:17 am

"Wilson does come out in the Davis document as being strongly opposed to the Miller/Greer connection." ~ dan


Right
Per Dolan's vid:
"Wilson was also angry that Miller, a fellow Navy officer, betrayed the trust of their conversation by relaying it to Greer and who knows who else. In reality, it doesn’t seem that Miller told many other people. Davis in his note added that Miller only told Edgar Mitchell, who was the one who told Davis about it in 1999. It’s possible that Miller told something to journalist Leslie Kean. At least this is what Wilson believed in his conversation with Davis in 2002.

Wilson was clearly nervous even in talking with Davis and said he was taking a risk just talking with him. And indeed, two decades later, the entire conversation is now out."



Am amazed that Miller talked to others about what Wilson told him. That's shocking! 
Miller obviously thought that the info that Wilson shared with him needed to be out there. 
Good for him!
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Post by El Chivo on Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:18 am

hobbit wrote:
smelly wrote:Regan lost his mind at the end, Alzheimer’s or something.

He didn’t take much with him, but he was great for old rich white guys.

I worked at an Alzheimer’s home as a kid.

It could be seen as a curse to a muppet or a freeing of the mind.

They end up like kids, but their bodies twist into an aushwitz pretzel at the end.

It ain’t pretty.

Have You learned the lessons You were there to experience yet?

I have.








Think of Your memory field ( of consciousness) as been written from centre to edge (opposite to an LP) thus as it shrinks You will only have early memory written on it.

Imagine this planets memory field shrinking??????

They are F..... with the planets field now, should We not protect our mother?

Are We not children of this planet?

We are akin to transmitters, as is the planet, We are receivers, as is the planet.


Do You know much about the JOE CELL?


the biggest clue is it's name... it is JOE....use Your imagination to work out how He puts himself into something ….banker.


The UFO will be same.


It's all about memory, unique to each field.



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I’ve been exploring memory recently, interesting you mention.

My mind actually feels quicker but I hold onto less and less.

I did learn a few things.

I imagined my self stuck in a bed and how I’d want company.

I saw families forget their people.

One guy Howard just played uno all day.

I would sit with him.

This other guy was named Earnest and he flew a plane in WWI.

The old county sheriff was there.

Wasted away.

Earnest would pee himself and cry in his room.

It seemed cruel.

Mary was so sweet, Mary Mary quite contrary.

I remember all of them.

I’m about the age early onset Alzheimer’s can hit, late 40s.

They were locked into their childhoods.

Interesting comment hobbit.

I found I had a heart for people there.

I am not cruel.

I loved them very much.

I treated them like I hoped another might care for me.

I learned a lot about kindness and anger.

People can become very angry at the end.

Beautiful moments like tears in the rain.

Maybe this is why I have a soft spot for GrandPa Wink
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Post by El Chivo on Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:24 am

Dan, do people in your life feel you were diminished from your strokes?
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Post by hobbit on Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:54 am

Smelly,

This thread...who do We think We are.

We is plural.

You is plural, in that there are three of You, a trinity.


1..is a vehicle.

2..is the eternal.

3..is a local memory.


Your car hasn't a clue if it's battery is flat.

So called electricity is a compression of consciousness.

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Post by El Chivo on Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:40 am

Our sense of self is suspended between our memory and our will.

Me is We

I can’t talk about eternity.

How would I know anything about that unfathomsble concept?

I can’t speak about consciousness either.

What is that?

We don’t have anything figured out.

We can be here though.

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Post by dan on Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:45 pm

Ok,

99 and I had our first conversation.  She was mostly clueless.  

I made some initial attempts to clue her in on the core story.

That’s what we are dealing with, here.

We are concocting and reconstructing the core story.  

There are two aspects to the ufo phenomenon......

1.)  Hardware

2.)  Software.

Here, we do mainly software....... yes, you can’t fly the craft without the critter.  

I’ve been fairly explicit in suggesting that the Princess could be a portal critter.  

But how does she tie in to the core story?  

What is the core story?  

The core of the phenomenon is not the lights in the sky.  The core is our starry messengers.  

Back in the mid to late nineties, I had several phone conversations with Rick Doty.

Amongst the messengers, three stood out..... EBE1,2&3.

Two were male. One was female.  They arrived at twenty year intervals.  One would leave, and the next would come.  

One was a philosopher, one was a historian, and one was a technician.  

Doing a little cutting and pasting, a couple of days ago, I came up with EBE123 = Rad.  

I’m sticking with that story, until a better one comes along.  

Right now, we’re seeing a paper chase, leading to a hardware chase.  

In their own sweet time, folks will get around to the software.  

I’m just trying to stay a step ahead...... cutting to the chase.

I figure that the chases are being orchestrated/choreographed.  

Ron is part of the choreography committee.  

This committee is the space council, the council of elders, mj12, PI40....... you name it.  It probably includes visitors.  

It may well have layers and compartments.  

It mainly functions in the US, but does not have any government oversight.  

As 99 pointed out...... I may have been thrown under the Bus, but, at the same time, I was left holding the bag.  

My modest suggestion is that, collectively, we might as well suppose that we are holding the bag.  

Here we are, unpacking the bag, and in particular, we are helping to finish the story, you know...... the one that ends happily ever after.  

How important is the hardware?

In the greater scheme..... not terribly.

The hardware is mainly for pedagogical, interactive purposes.

The modern world is a strongly technological world. We are comfortable with technology, more so than with cosmic consciousness, for instance.

We like to get our hands dirty with contraptions. We can roll up our sleeves, etc..........

We are not terribly comfortable with consciousness, let alone cosmic consciousness.

We don’t necessarily want to meet our maker...... certainly not today.... maybe tomorrow.... a lotta foot dragging..... hemming and hawing...... standing on ceremony.



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