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Post by smelly da goat Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

“Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.”

—Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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Post by smelly da goat Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:13 pm

Memoirs of a Sleepwalker...
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Post by smelly da goat Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:58 am

Dr. Pangloss is bankrupt.
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Post by smelly da goat Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:35 pm

"At your low point you are no longer distinct from your fellow beings. You are not ashamed and do not regret it, since insofar as you live the life of your fellow beings and descend to their lowliness / you also climb into the holy stream of common life, where you are no longer an individual on a high mountain, but a fish among fish, a frog among frogs." ~Carl Jung, The Red Book

“Oh,” I answered, “what’s that, beloved? The God of the spirit is in the night? Is that the son? The son of the frogs? Woe betide us, if he is the God of our day!” ~Carl Jung, The Red Book.

“He is the lord of toads and frogs, which live in the water and go up on the land, whose chorus ascends at noon and at midnight. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book.

“You shall experience even more of it. You are in the second age. The first age has been overcome. This is the age of the rulership of the son, whom you call the Frog God. A third age will follow; the age of apportionment and harmonious power.” ~Carl Jung, The Red Book.

The God of the frogs or toads, the brainless, is the uniting of the Christian God with Satan. His nature is like the flame; he is like Eros, but a God; Eros is only a daimon. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book.

Jung tried to birth a new image of God into the world that included evil.

The son of frogs.

The son of the earth.

Abraxas.

"Riding Nous and Logos, the serpents, his two supporters, symbols of the inner senses, and the quickening understanding; on which account the Greeks had made the serpent the attribute of Pallas. His head–that of a cock–represents Phronesis, that bird being the emblem of foresight and of vigilance. His two arms hold the symbols of Sophia and Dynamis: the shield of Wisdom and the whip of Power.”

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He said that Abraxas was a polymorphous world spirit which permeates — or even encompass — the very fabric of existence: “[Abraxas] is… a thousand-armed ployp, coiled knot of winged serpents… the hermaphrodite of the earliest beginning… the lord of toads and frogs, which live in the water… abundance that seeketh union with emptiness.” (Carl Jung, quoted in The Gnostic Jung, Ed. Robert Segal, pp. 187-88, pub. 1992)

Abraxas is the astral serpent on the tree who hands the illumination of both good and evil to Adam and Eve whose eyes are then opened. The very king worm who rules this world, that is both our creator and destroyer. The maker of good and evil rolled into one persona, that being the human population in which Abraxas rules over the world like the great Gnostic Basilides described; “the greatest God” (De vir. ill. 21), “the highest God” (Dial. adv. Lucif. 23), “the Almighty God” (Comm. in Amos iii. 9), and “the Lord the Creator” (Comm. in Nah. i. 11).

Abraxas is the Demiurge and Archon Magnus.

Oh yah?!

I suppose what makes my garden grow, moves me.

It is the unconscious.

What you feel about it, is what it reflects back.

Are we the reflection of this tentacled God?

So the Gnostics think.

More fairytales.

But there is something to notice in the symbols.

This toad and frog theme is obviously describing Trump.

I can't exactly let that one go, he's so froggy and Pepe.

So many weird synchronicities.

The unconscious, the archaic king and queen, the creator of the Tarot.

You just can't avoid it.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:40 am

“It is more fitting for a man to laugh at life than to lament over it.”

These days, there is much laughing 🍻



I, like Mr. Baldwin, have no choice but to be optimistic. In this I must say I am more with Dr. Pangloss than against him. I have more in common with folks than different.

I’d rather laugh than cry.

I’d rather have the best life, than hope for it.

That is where I differ from the good Dr. P.

That is the barrier he will not cross.

It is not a real barrier.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:58 am



Much better to laugh about it all.

Nervous laughter is ok too.

Tee hee.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:35 am

Dude as Metaphor

Where the Jesus went so wrong, claiming to be god’s special son, the Dude has never abided.

The Dude casually abides between life and death, two of our most powerful metaphors.

Religion is literally false, but maybe, metaphorically true.

Believing in these concepts and behaving like they are true, can have evolutionary benefit, even though, faith is factually unprovable or false.

There is some unconscious placebo effect that keeps us alive in the worst of times.

To have hope beyond hope is so very human.

To learn to live peacefully with others has benefit.

It doesn’t matter what belief system may promote this.

Sounds like a cheat.

Don’t look over there and there is no over there for you.

“Metaphors have a way of holding the most truth, in the least space.”

Metaphor, the artful depiction of non-literal truth.

Jesus said to them, ‘I am the bread of life; he who comes to me will not hunger, and he who believes in me will never thirst.’ John 6:35

Did he mean this literally, did he even say it?

Well, it doesn’t matter does it, if they act like it’s true.

This is a really interesting concept, metaphorical truth.

We use language to pass on knowledge.

We tell stories.

They don’t have to be literally true to be valuable.

Pragmatic truth.

Use what works.

“Phronesis (Ancient Greek: φρόνησῐς, romanized: phrónēsis) is an ancient Greek word for a type of wisdom or intelligence. It is more specifically a type of wisdom relevant to practical action, implying both good judgement and excellence of character and habits, sometimes referred to as "practical virtue". Phronesis was a common topic of discussion in ancient Greek philosophy.”

So all the world then is a canvas for us to paint our stories on.

“Science is all metaphor.” -Tim Leary

Sagan describes a comet as “like an iceberg in the ocean of interplanetary space,” a lovely metaphor, and Earth's being in the way of one as “an accident” in cosmic order of things.

Looking up there 👆 has always raised our heads.

Religion and science, our attempts to engage eternity from a small finite point.

All of our culture is a metaphor to reconcile this paradox.

The same Energy goes on forever in infinite forms we theorize.

We claim this as an absolute law.

Ha.

What is absolute in a metaphorical world?

In a non-absolute metaphor, the basic idea and the metaphor have some resemblance, for example using 'box' as a metaphor for 'house' or 'tube' for 'train'.

A value of an absolute metaphor is in the way that it can confuse and hence make people think hard about the meaning of something. We seek always to find some meaning and hence some learning may arise.

Absolute metaphors are also useful when you are at a loss for words. They can thus communicate frustration, confusion and uncertainty.

The absolute metaphor is also known as a paralogical metaphor or antimetaphor.

I immediately thought of UG Krishnamurti and Zen koans.

Let’s follow this thread.

It pulls on something intrinsic and deeply embedded in awareness, paradox.

Opposites.

Language and thought is figurative?

Zen demonstrates the figurative nature of all thought.

Man’s imagination allows hmm to apply figurative meaning to chaos and apparent unconnected events or experiences.

But perception is the root of all experience is it not?

We have knowledge of the world from others, but our experience gives us first hand awareness.

What we think and write and say about it is just our figuration of it, not truly what it is, but true enough to live with it.

Now god damn isn’t that the damndest most peculiar observation about language?

The personalist then does not tell the truth about the world, that our perception of it is an abstraction.

The personalist is self deluded.

They re-invent the world through their idiom and use of metaphor.

Truth is interpreted and not described.

The personalist does not describe the truth, but creates metaphors from experience.

Know how you fool yourself into meaning and the personal nature of life.

https://www.owenbarfield.org/BARFIELD/encyclopedia_barfieldiana/Lexicon/Figuration.html

The mind wants to make figuration real.

This awareness was hard won.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:46 pm

Amazing how confused Christians are with no real proof or truth.

They made it all up and they believe it.

That can work for you.

Like trumpers.

It’s all metaphor and speculation.

Metaphorical truth.

Great series by a smart ex-Christian Dude.







And then those Gnostics...
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:20 pm

Mother Nature, that Bitch.

She isn’t moral.

She breeds power.

She wills us to our power.

You feel it.

You feel rage.

Jesus was a killer who wouldn’t kill.

Should Superman be moral?

Why?

Does nature select for moral?

The best are killers or become fat and grow flowers and goats.

The dude doesn’t kill.

The dude just wants his rug back.

I know Jung is right.

It’s the bitch vs. Jesus.

Guess what Jesus bowls.

The dude is done with sides.

Does that bitch want a master race?

Does the cosmos belong to the wolves?

What if it does and the weak are just energy for the strong.

Certainly we must find our own way and know our power and make our own meaning.

For you are muppets, you have power.

That brain 🧠 ain’t just for watchin tv.

That heart is a racing engine.

My racing days are behind me.

Dr. Pangloss can’t hang with the dude.

He wants more than he has.

Nature must have had a hard on for Jesus.

All that power.

She is a sucker for power.

The shadow has risen as our denial of ourselves, our nature has.

We are not all kind.

Are any of us kind?

Who would give their life for an idea?

For kin?

A friend?

Spouse?

A stranger?

Jesus didn’t die for you or me, give me a break.

It doesn’t matter anymore what happened.

This is what is happening.

He died for claiming to be a king.

Perhaps Jesus was very deluded or taken a bit too literally.

Is it harder to be great or good?

Does the good life give us some salve against the raw power of nature?

Morals and politics might be nicer than chains.

The Leetz can play god on earth.

Here we just be hangin round, smokin a J.

The dude won’t live forever.
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Post by dan Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:37 am

Chivo,

Thanks for your interesting points.  

The jguy, personally, was just another person.  

The I Am was just another person.

But, contextually, historically, it was another matter.  

It’s that other matter that I carry on about in the BPW section.........
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:28 pm

Very good.

I just share what floats by.

Who knows what any of it means to anyone else Wink

I have been trying to make peace with religion.

I think I know what I am reacting to most, fundamentalism.

To lock your mind on an unchanging belief, I know, I did it too, but it is impossible to reason with such a person.

This is really what I think great evil looks like.

All the trouble caused from these dogged beliefs.

We search and are sold certainty, and none ever exists.

We cling to any hope of extending our lives.

This to me is the ultimate in dualism.

Talk about being distracted.

You can throw in the prophecy folks too into my pot of fools, disconnecting from life due to imagined futures.

Fundamentalism is really something to deal with.

It may not be enough to just accept it.

It cycles I guess.

The more desperate they get though, the more dangerous they are.

I am talking about any fundamentalist.

That is a losing strategy imho.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:29 pm

Tonight I was talking to my wife and she was like, you see all this around us and how we just keep getting pushed together, it all feels so connected, I nodded.

We hugged.

More like we clung together as one flesh.

Then I felt a twinge of pain.

I thought one of you will lose the other.

I saw it in my mind and I clung harder.

Why do I have to let it go?

It’s so good!

So much energy and fire 🔥

But in the end, it all burns.

It hurts.

It felt crazy to me to hold her in the middle of all this.

I could only feel the sun and moon smiling.

I can’t say what this means to anyone else.

But I feel fortunate in this life.

I felt it intensely at that moment.

It’s a warmth one feels.

Like ice and fire crawling all over your skin.

I whispered to her...

“When you can’t look at the bright side,
I’ll sit with you in the dark.”

If I could imagine a god, I sure wish it would be with me like that.

My silence responds from my mind...

We are here for each other.
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Post by smelly da goat Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:19 am

“There shall be debates and disputes, to the end of time; between the Fatalists and the advocates of free will.”

~Rumi

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Post by smelly da goat Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:04 pm

Another full days work.

I’d be just as content with nothing to do.

At least I’m being useful and makin da money for the fam.

Not a bad deal I guess, all things considered.

Been watching a lot of debates against historical Christianity.

How could I have been so stupid?

Ug, oh well, for the duration, the Dude will roll his strikes and gutter balls and all the gods can watch.

This dude faced the darkness and he didn’t end up in a looney bin.

The dude abides.

The dude can can face this.

The dude can face it all.

Crack up?

Haha, you gotta crack to realize his.

After, ain’t no thang.
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Post by smelly da goat Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:42 am

eschatology = delusion

Q followers are lying idiots.

Does that piss you off muppets reading this?

You are the muppet.

Eschatology is only being used to further others' agendas.

Take it from a portal traveler.

That is not the point or what is shown.

They talk about portals and can't deal with or face anyone who has opened a portal inside themselves.

They trip around on their own thoughts and agendas.

There is no fucking agenda dummies.

You don't have inside information.

You are not special.

And surely, you will die.

Now talk to me as an honest muppet, not delusional assholes Wink

Actually, there is nothing to say or work out, like at all.

They speak about psychedelics having no idea what they are talking about.

It is funny, you see what is happening.

The mind doesn't want to know.

It just fears death.

They stink of fear.

Smelly stinks of the mountain and the abyss.

I only fear pain.

Death is the release from pain.

Death is not to be feared.

No, you nor anyone else has any absolutely any idea what life is or will be or what death is.

It is just this.

I have been looking into mind at large and the possible reality mind does not need biology, but works intimately with such.

That would be fairly immaterial to our experience.
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Post by smelly da goat Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:53 pm

Personally I experienced a psychological dark night of the soul.

I see now, this is what we are all going through now.

There is a franticness.

Dreams as nightmares.

I feel they sense their coming death.

There are no answers, just an end to problems and questions.

“When you die, it will not be because you are sick, but because you are alive.” —Seneca

...

Look at the ants.

How they scavenge.

How they fight.

They are one when together.

Control is chemical.

They are perfectly evolved for their role.

Was it natural selection or will?

Same thing?

Couldn’t ever know, just a word game to consider.

Do you see morality?

It is kill or be killed.

They are ruthless and never stop.

They are bound by their env.

Are we?

Does the queen bee or Ant have awareness?

I assume she has what she needs to be here.

We were not given everything we need.

We must scavenge and fight for what we need.

We are bit by bit conquering the space.

Driven by a deep ancient drive.

Do you see any colonies sending help to other colonies?

This seems universal.

Competition leads to aggression.

We are playing our very basic scripts on a large scale.

We compete for leverage.

For power.

What is power?

What were the original letter symbols that became the word power?

We have abstracted ourselves so far away from this.

Are genes selfish?

The animal is bound by its body to propagate itself and play out the basic program.

I was watching a Dawkins Weinstein debate on Evolution and noticed how science seems to be held back and pushed forward by personalities.

I think this was the gist of Weinstein’s criticism.

Have we figured it all out, or is this a dead end for this way of being?

I don’t believe in dead ends, but I know it all ends in death.

In ancient Egypt, the Was sceptre represented power.

“Was sceptres were used as symbols of power or dominion, and were associated with ancient Egyptian deities such as Set or Anubis.”

Set was seen as Typhonic Beast.

I’m sure you have met this in some form within your mind.

As I have.

The imagination then had the true power?

Are not the gods our response to thought?

Set and the underworld creatures were beasts of the imagination.

You know these beasts.

They live in our unconscious like they do in nature.

That sceptre looks like it provides vision.

It oversees.

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How many look into their abstractions?

How many can see through themselves?

Kermit is holding a Was scepter too in my avatar.

The scepter must represent mastery or awareness of the underworld.

The lamp 🪔 has deep meaning to us too.
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Post by smelly da goat Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:18 pm

Darkness is not Darkness to you

I am filled with the light of thee

To you I cry

My rock

My fortress

Who sees us?

Give me strength

To stand with you in the Darkness

Spirit

Heart

How do I love thee?

- When thou movest with thy heart first

Show me

I have no faith

You have taken it from you

You have stripped my voice

You have brought me low

You have shown me I am not wise

What I know is pig shit before you

You have shown me my salted heart

I cannot say I am a sinner

How could I sinnest against thee?

Where are you...

Why did you make me?

What is thou desire

On my lips 👄

- Your god shows you no pity

- You are abandoned

Deliver me from my own evil

- You cannot even find the gate to your own Kingdom

- Can you not feel the dawn?

Nothing

- Why die for any other?

- Why work for any other?

- Vanity!

- Beware the Antichrist, your virtue is the weapon.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:27 pm

Tao itself brings forth life, while virtue, the practice of Tao, helps nurture it. Things take shape according to their inner nature, and environment helps perfect them. This is why everything in the world esteems Tao, and glorifies virtue.

Yet Tao’s esteem and virtue’s glory, are not bestowed upon them. Rather, they arise naturally.

Tao provides life and nurtures it, rears and nourishes it, shelters and matures it, sustains and protects it.

Though Tao gives life, it does so without any hint of possessiveness. It assists without any expectation of return. It mentors without imposing its authority.

These are the greatest virtues imaginable.

**Tao Te Ching (verse 51)**
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Post by smelly da goat Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:59 am



I think he would not like Foot and Dan.

Prometheism.

Is he an enemy of Dan and crew?

Hyper propaganda?

Hostile elite?

Reptiles?

Help each other maybe.

Be kind.

Damn, could muppets have become so evil?

Of course and worse.

What does smelly think?



I haven’t gotten around to showing Eric how to see the future.

What he needs he will have.

And that’s how it has to be.

Unfortunately Jason and the ones he fears are not playing around.

This is where we have them.

For fundamentally, there is nothing to fear.

The other side of life is death and something always arises from nothing.

Those who will not face death are swept away in the end, like all of it.

That, you can take great satisfaction from.

Those who sound the alarm 🚨 are playing in a way.

The others can laugh as the sky falls.

Round and round it goes.

No need to mourn what was here and now is gone.

That is the way of being.

Here today and fine being gone tomorrow.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:53 pm

I dunno.



From the Red Book...

Immense fullness and immense emptiness are one in the same.

You wanted to find meaning in the outer, but you could only find manifold meaning in yourself.

Happy is the soul who anticipates the dark’s embrace.

When I comprehended my darkness, a truly magnificent night came over me in my dream plunged me into the depths of the millennia, and from there my Phoenix ascended.

But what happened to my day? Torches were kindled, bloody anger and disputes erupted. As darkness seized the world, the terrible war arose and the darkness destroyed the light of the world, since it was incomprehensible to the darkness and good for nothing anymore. And so we had to taste hell.

I saw which vices the virtues of this time changed into, how your mildness became hard, your goodness became brutality, your love became hate, and your understanding became madness. Why did you want to comprehend the darkness! But you had to or else it would’ve seized you.

Did you ever think of the evil in you? Oh you spoke of it, you mentioned it, and confessed it silently, as a general human vice, or a recurring misunderstanding. But did you know what evil is, and that it stands precisely right behind your virtues, that it is also your virtues themselves, as their inevitable substance?

The most extreme coldness draws near. If I accept death, then my tree greens.

With horror you see that you are defenseless, and that the army of your vices falls powerless to its knees. With the power of daimons, you seize the evil, and your virtues cross over to him. You are completely alone in this struggle, since your Gods have become deaf. You do not know which devils are greater, your vices, or your virtues. But one thing you are certain of, your virtues and vices are brothers.

We need the coldness of death 💀 to see clearly. If I plunge into the death of the world, my buds break open. Death is a friend. Limitation allows you to fulfill your being. In the shadow world, the red sun rises.

I perish in a dung heap. We are born between feces and urine.
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Post by smelly da goat Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:29 pm

“I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o’er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host of golden daffodils.”

—William Wordsworth - “I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud”

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Post by smelly da goat Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:42 pm

“Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.”

—Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”
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Post by smelly da goat Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:17 am

When all my ideas die will be the day
When finally I do say
I cannot have my way
Then hope will slip away
And peace will return to stay
What a price to have to pay💰

Blessed hope I knew thee well
I lived content under your golden spell
Now I know I passed through Hell
On may way to show and tell
Out here you can feel the swell
And hear hope’s final death 💀 knell

—smelly
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Post by smelly da goat Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:02 am



There is not an iota of truth in the world.

A tape that just repeats itself.
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Post by smelly da goat Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:14 pm



Be at ease.

Make work play.

As above, so below.

Everything is sayin, take er easy.

Make your heavy burden, light.

You do not bear the burden alone.

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