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On Exopolitical Mediation & Facilitation

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A thread encompassing the wandering subject of exopolitical mediation and facilitation; from theoretical applications to the practice in action.


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Post by Compass Morainn on Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:35 am

The value of the topic of mediation and facilitation in exopolitics contact paradigm is often brought into question. The general arguement against it has to do with the question stated as "if there is no visible need then how can there be such a thing or why should we give credence or valuation?" The broader public does not see the Contact Paradigm, yet it is the broader public who largely operates and maintains a huge swath of the secrecy paradigm that was created for the purposes of the National Security State through mudslinging and giggle factor reinforced by the NSS's behind the scenes tyranny and policy. The public therefore is rather ill equipped to see the value as they are already consigned to a generalized anti-disclosure faction and behavioral tendancy.

So it returns to us the question, how do we know there is value in the subject? Well sometimes the simplest of answers works best. Because those who know, or are inclined to know, have an interest and through participation or interaction enact a sort of support.

Here is an example:

The following article was published three years ago, yet it has readers and a commenter.


Sacrificing 60 Years of Human Experience for Disclosure, By Cyrellys Geibhendach05/23/09, published at Compass Morainn Journalhttp://compassmorainn.blogspot.com/2009/05/sacrificing-60-years-of-human.html

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I find reading here to be like putting on comfortable clothes. One thing missing here is the acknowledgement that anti-social personalities can't be trusted to be truthful. That portion of society has always been a breeding ground for social difficulties and in my opinion there is only one way that can be overcome however it would violate the premise that all men are created equal. Is there a way to remove that influence from leadership, mediation or politics by just discernment?


"A Pen", an individual with the 'interest' raises an question of applicable concern about the ones he courteously refers to as "anti-social personalities". He has given what has been colloquially termed "head-hunters" a more civil term. It could be ostensibly guessed that the reason for doing so is to be more diplomatic in resolving the hostilities between anti-disclosure and pro-disclosure factionalization.

He also references a method that is not as appealing as a better suggestion might in the context of "the premise that all men are created equal". He is requesting a better suggestion. This contextual reference is obviously designed to get my attention since I am an active member of the liberty movement in support of Constitutional conduct by all forms of governance, and the context is a raging discourse across the net dominating the broader circumstances beyond the issues of Contact & Secrecy. So yes this has my attention, and I acknowledge the insight, concern, and valid question for a very problematic situation. I mention all this deliberately so that other students of exopolitics on the subject of mediation and facilitation can learn to see between the lines here. Seeing and reading between the lines is a very important skill in the deep end of the pool where much is said in terms that would be overlooked by a less involved reader.

So now that we see what there is to be seen, consideration of the answer may be done.

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Compass Morainn is an association of Exopolitical Mediators and Facilitators. As most of the work the members do is behind the scenes, they are not highly vocal or visible in public. Several members hold unpublished membership due to visibility constraints within Confidentiality Agreements.
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Post by Cyrellys on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:47 am

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Source: http://compassmorainn.blogspot.com/2009/05/sacrificing-60-years-of-human.html


Cyrellys has left a new comment on your post "Sacrificing 60 Years of Human Experience for Discl...":

Hello 'A pen'. You said, "One thing missing here is the acknowledgement that anti-social personalities can't be trusted to be truthful." Perhaps. In my experience, any anti-social behavior or any behavior that might be interpreted as anti-social in one perspective is more a end result of something else rather than a true state of being. There is usually some sort of individually qualified reason for that conduct whether it is applied reasonably or not. I've encountered many people who act in ways that can be construed 'anti-social' in some way or other. I find that it doesn't necessarily make that person untrustworthy or without truth or opinions of negligent value.

There are indeed instances where individuals are so negative and so obstinate in that negativity that they do not bend in any wind. What I've encountered as truely distructive is seemingly anti-social personalities that cloak individuals addicted to conflict or the pain of others. Such individuals are not satisfied with any other person's views of reality but rather twist public perception to inflict a social climate that results in pain or conflict within which they revel.

I think to best answer your question it would be helpful to have a clarification as to who exactly you are defining as 'anti-social' and in what context. The article speaks of the most effective conduct and mind-sets available to mediators. You asked if there is a way to remove that influence from "leadership, mediation, or politics by just discernment?"

In my experience you cannot escape those individuals and groups with negative mind-sets. But it is possible to use discernment to delve into why and how they came to that stance in personality and behavior. Finding and understanding the root of their thinking; the impetus that set them to think in that manner, can help to find ways of co-existing, and working with them. As I mentioned above, despite the havoc anti-social individuals can create, they are not in my estimation entirely devoid of valid points in all instances. I've never met anyone who did not believe they had a reason to think or opine the way they do. We as fellows to them do not have to agree, and in all likely-hood there will be many times when we do not. Much of any interaction involves one or more parties involved seeking validation, recognition, and opportunity. Steering and exchange become possible when we choose a different tack that does not include automatic rebuff. Habitual offenders, sometimes benefit from "vacations", others do not. Each instance seems to be individualistic and has to be evaluated that way.

Perhaps an adjustment to your question might be more useful..."Is there a way to identify that influence in leadership, mediation, or politics by just discernment?" My answer is Yes. Knowing is always half the battle. When you know someone is projecting a negative tack, then you have the ability to formulate options for dealing with it. The options will be unique to the given situation.

The idea that all men are created equal, was I do believe, meant to convey that all men carry an inherent equal-ness. As people develop, some take that equal-ness and inhibit it through self-destructive choices in behavior and inter-relations. That potential for equal-ness is still there. It never goes away. But maturity-level and personal mistakes, and even unreconcileable circumstances beyond their own individual control can cause problems with how they are included in that inherent truth. We have a choice, we can relate to each other in solely surface terms, or we can look at these issues of behavior and relationship in terms of seeking cause and equitable improvement. But that is assuming there are at least two parties involved willing to Tango.

When mankind improves his dancing, much of these issues will resolve themselves, I suspect. My two-cents on the matter.



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Re: On Exopolitical Mediation & Facilitation

Post by Admin on Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:14 pm

First ever audio interview with Cyrellys Geibhendach on exopolitical mediation.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/tjmorrisetradio/2013/01/11/exopolitics-mediator-cyrellys-geibhendach-compass-morainn-1

Interview is roughly 2.5 hours long

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Re: On Exopolitical Mediation & Facilitation

Post by Bard on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:17 am

Everything seemed to go well except for a bit of tardiness on the second interview. You should stretch your wings more like TJ suggested.

My favorite quote from Ed K: "We are the fruit flies of the galaxy."

Outstanding!


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Re: On Exopolitical Mediation & Facilitation

Post by Jake Reason on Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:39 am

Hi Cy, as per my email to you...from now on, I'll always think of my sister when I think of you, and vice versa. Your voices are sooooo similar, you could easily impersonate one another.

That aside, I'm 45 minutes into the interview. You are doing a remarkable job! You are very talented at explaining complex socio-political paradigms in a clear, succinct and easy to understand way. And from what I've studied in the past 7 years, your grasp of the intricate interrelated exopolitical issues involving the contact paradigm, is extraordinary!

Bravo. and thank you.

now back to listening further...



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Post by Admin on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:43 am

Hi Guys,

yes like TJ mentioned several times that I sometimes speak a little over her head in our private conversations and that many of her listeners which come from a diverse background at the grassroots level are somewhat unaccustomed to the classical english I use so I did my best to keep it in easiest terms assuming the balance of listeners were relatively new to this area of the subject.


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Post by Admin on Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:54 am

Interview with Ed Komarek by TJ Morris ET Radio.
Compass Morainn member and active mediator with civilian contactee experiencers.

TJ has not yet assigned an individual link to it yet that I can see. I will return to replace this link when an individual one is available.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/tjmorrisetradio/2013/01/12/tj-morris-aco-mysteries-of-the-ascension-age-metaphysics






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Post by Admin on Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:55 am

Additional observation on the mediation/communication front:

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Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) Validates & Confirms The Lake Erie UFOs Are The Real Deal!

So, how does Robert Bigelow come into the picture in regards to the Lake Erie UFOs?

Well, in the midst of all happenings in Michael Lee Hill's life, he was contacted by Investigator Gary Hernandez, who said he was looking into the Lake Erie phenomenon. In August of 2010, Hernandez sent a message on Michael's facebook page, inquiring about what Michael knew about the Eastlake UFOs. In short, they communicated some back and forth, and Michael was sharing some information with the investigator, because he wanted the story to come out in the open as much, and as soon as possible.

In November, curiously enough, Investigator Hernandez, in a facebook message I have in my possession, told Michael there were certain things he couldn't tell him due to the nature of a contract Hernandez had signed. He added, "I don't want to disappear now!", indicating that he was at great risk if he told Michael about classified things. A few days after that he wrote: "In regards to BAASS I am the only investigator who has been revealed through the Isles of Capri, Fla., Niagara Falls, Canada , the Lake Erie incident and the skin walker ranch .org website [Wes' emphasis] under whos [sic] involved (it just so happened that I was an aggresive [sic] investigator and was written about often). If the report is viewed by the screeners I will be identified. I would like to speak about it but we must keep BAASS out of it for it is a keyword in the system."

Apparently, Hernandez wanted to keep the Skinwalker Ranch in low profile as well, breaking up the web address in several parts (see bold emphasis above). We will discuss that place a little bit as well in a moment, but first, let's see what he meant when he was telling Michael about being the 'aggressive investigator'. Let's back up a little bit.

Eugene Ehrlikh of Cleveland, Ohio, had filmed some UFOs over Lake Erie, and the media got involved in the case, just like it had with Michael Lee Hill. So MUFON thought they should get involved as well, and sent an investigator named Tom Wertmen to the sighting spot. MUFON's conclusion over what they saw was planet Venus, but they changed their minds saying that what Ehrlikh had filmed was aircraft coming in and out over Lake Erie from Hopkins-Cleveland International Airport. Investigator Wertmen allegedly had spoken to traffic controllers at the airport, but no references or names were disclosed. This event has been documented by Lon Strickler on his blogspot.

Strickler continues to report that both Ehrlikh and Hill simultaneously had filmed the same UFO event over the lake, without any knowledge of each other. Both were then presenting their material on 'The Alien Agenda' radio show. A few days later, on April 8, 2010, Ehrlikh was called by someone who introduced himself as an investigator from BAASS, something which was later confirmed as being correct. The caller introduced himself, and although Strickler doesn't mention him by name, the investigator was Gary Hernandez. Hernandez then demanded that Ehrlikh gave him the exact coordinates where the sighting had taken place, and when Ehrlikh started questioning the caller, Hernandez told him that these lights were not of terrestrial origin, but alien, and that there was big money involved in trying to get this technology. Ehrlikh then hung up the phone. Ehrlikh didn't have any particular problem, allegedly, to talk to MUFON or some other UFO investigative organization, but like Strickler says, when someone calls, beings quite 'aggressive', and demanding information from the witness, it is indeed time to question the motives of the caller.

So, Hernandez is calling both Ehrlikh and Hill to investigate the sighting, and he reveals to the first that this is alien technology that we are seeing in the skies above the lake (and if he is correct, in other parts of the world, too), and that there is a lot of money invested in this. And indeed, although he seems to have had more cold feet when talking to Michael, in the beginning of their communication he hinted at the same thing, saying (and I quote): "In Regards to the Lights over Lake Erie I am not absolutely convinced that they are coming from conventional aircraft. As an investigator I must be completely objective with any UFO reports which has had multiple witnesses. BAASS employees are paid professionals, all the investigators are formal Law enforcement detectives who have a higher level set of skills and experience. MUFON Takes anyone who pays the money and passes the test and works for free. That does not make them a credible source for information for me to except [sic] they're [sic] conclusion."

However, as time went by and he apparently got more confident with Michael, he told Michael that they knew what the Lake Erie phenomenon is, because it is the exact thing that is happening in Hessdalen, Norway. But not only there; these object were also flying over Utah Skinwalker Ranch, which is owned by Robert Bigelow! He said that his conclusion regarding these orbs is not that they are what people think and expect, which would be 'physical metal, nuts & bolts UFOs', as he put it, but instead more like portals and have to do with time travel. These were Hernandez' own words, according to Michael Lee Hill.

The results from years of study at the Skinwalker Ranch was released in a book called, 'Hunt for the Skinwalker', by Colm A, Kelleher and George Knapp[15]. I need to add the synopsis of the book here, as presented at amazon.com. It's pretty interesting:

"The author of the controversial bestseller Brain Trust brings his scientific expertise to the chilling true story of unexplained phenomena on Utah's Skinwalker Ranch -- and challenges us with a new vision of reality.

For more than fifty years, the bizarre events at a remote Utah ranch have ranged from the perplexing to the wholly terrifying. Vanishing and mutilated cattle. Unidentified Flying Objects. The appearance of huge, otherworldly creatures. Invisible objects emitting magnetic fields with the power to spark a cattle stampede. Flying orbs of light with dazzling maneuverability and lethal consequences. For one family, life on the Skinwalker Ranch had become a life under siege by an unknown enemy or enemies. Nothing else could explain the horrors that surrounded them -- perhaps science could.

Leading a first-class team of research scientists on a disturbing odyssey into the unknown, Colm Kelleher spent hundreds of days and nights on the Skinwalker property and experienced firsthand many of its haunting mysteries. With investigative reporter George Knapp -- the only journalist allowed to witness and document the team's work -- Kelleher chronicles in superb detail the spectacular happenings the team observed personally, and the theories of modern physics behind the phenomena. Far from the coldly detached findings one might expect, their conclusions are utterly hair-raising in their implications. Opening a door to the unseen world around us, Hunt for the Skinwalker is a clarion call to expand our vision far beyond what we know."[16]

And this place is owned by billionaire Robert Bigelow! Can anybody sense a bigger story here?

BAASS means 'Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies', and sounds like a government organization. However, it is not. It is a company, owned by real estate billionaire Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas, Nevada.[12] In late 2009, Robert Bigelow made a deal with MUFON (the 'Mutual UFOs Network), which is officially a non-profit organization which investigates UFO sightings. It is one of the largest and oldest UFO organizations in the United States. Bigelow has promised to provide MUFON with whatever they need to find actual hardcore proof of the existence of alien spacecraft (and of course, alien beings). This means, foremost, alien debris of crashed UFOs etc. For many UFO enthusiasts, this is met with both positive and negative responses. Positive in the sense that MUFON now have the funding they need to expand their investigations, and negative in the sense that some feel that MUFON is now owned by Bigelow. And MUFON has been working as an independent research group, allegedly.

Figure A-13. Billionaire Robert Bigelow, big UFO 'enthusiast'?

However, the above debate is probably not even what is the most relevant. In a policy from the U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration, Order JO 7110.65U with effective date, February 9, 2012, it says under Section 8. Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Reports:

9-8-1. GENERAL

a. Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity should contact a UFO/ unexplained phenomena reporting data collection center, such as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) (voice: 1-877-979-7444 or e-mail: Reporting@baass.org), the National UFO Reporting Center, etc.

b. If concern is expressed that life or property might be endangered, report the activity to the local law enforcement department.[13]

This should be quite concerning for the serious UFO enthusiast and researcher, because it shows a definite link between Robert Bigelow's BAASS and the Federal Government. So the FAA, as of February 2012, wants us to report UFO sightings to a private company, under the disguise of a very government sounding name (similar to the 'Federal Reserve', which is not Federal at all, but privately owned by International bankers, such as the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers). And of course, if we follow the trail, we find MUFON on the other side, collecting funds from Bigelow, who has his government connection. So, privacy and integrity is therefore most likely to go out the window, although I'm sure MUFON hasn't been working in public interest for many, many years. This is all, as usual, just the tiniest tip of the iceberg.



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