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Post by Cyrellys on Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:49 pm

listening to music and came across this:

Lyrics from the song...listen...next extract the general meaning implied in the video and insert the Contact Paradigm now see these from the end of the song:

"Man, you wouldn't believe the most amazing things that can come from some terrible lies..."

"The other night, you wouldn't believe the dream I just had about you and me...I called you up but we'd both agree..."

" It's for the best you didn't listen..."


I'm noticing there is a series of songs usually of inspirational caliber which mirror concepts and dialogs in the paradigm...

Just thinking aloud.

NOTE. Wrt skepticism we could generally dismiss an coincidence as what I'm pondering above until you take into account that many basic concepts under discussion with regards to the Contact issue are cropping up in movies. And when you also take in how Synchronicity tends to operate you have take a look at things like this.

It's why this is called Open Minds...

Cy


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Re: Intertwined: Secession and ET National Secrecy Paradigm

Post by Cyrellys on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:18 pm

From Email. By Chris Duane With Elias Alias
A Brief Thanksgiving Meditation

original published at: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/11/22/chris-duane-with-elias-alias-_-a-brief-thanksgiving-meditation/

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Chris Duane_Semper Fi!

It's Thanksgiving. Our forefathers were thankful to live on a newly-discovered continent, and later they were thankful to live as freemen who had escaped the British Empire's rule and control over their lives.

Today we are thankful for what yet remains of the traditions which have marked our country's greatness over two Centuries. But many of us are harried somewhat as we have noticed that our great country is drifting toward collectivism and away from the individualism which forged and formed America as the greatest nation on earth, in all of earth's human history. Now people in all fifty States are talking about secession. It's driving the communists mad. While enjoying our holiday, let's look into the idea of secession vs collectivism. It will do the Pilgrim proud to hold such contemplations on this very special day. It also would please the ghost of Henry David Thoreau, don't you agree?

Secession is in the wind today, experiencing a surge after the November 06, 2012 elections. Many on the "right" are very fearful of the agenda of those on the "left", and to those who are awake to, and aware of, the reality that
both sides are equally dangerous to American freedom, the whole messy political left-right-paradigm slime-bath is offensive and disgusting. Damn the Republicans and Damn the Democrats both to Hell, I say, and so do all three or four other Americans who've figured this out.

The idea of secession drives communists, socialists, and collectivists in general madly wild and passionately fearful. If you don't want to play their game of centralized control over society and culture, the average communist/collectivist sees you as a direct threat. He must control you via the state (government) or he sees you as a threat.

Most Americans showed clearly with the election that they want the collective way of life and they want a powerful central government to ensure that everyone, including those who do not wish to participate in their centralized government's authoritarian power games, must ante up and place their bets just like all the good little statist boys and girls. Your refusal to play their game is perceived as a threat to them, and it makes them defensive. Being as how defensiveness always attacks, they jab out at you for not joining into their view of societal adhesion.

To prove that I'm not exaggerating, I'll offer a novel idea which most Americans have never read, although it's a part of our heritage as Americans. It was written circa 1884 by an American libertarian philosopher named Herbert Spencer, in his immortal essay entitled "The Right To Ignore The State". I am predicting that the comments under this article shall be, uhm, er, "colorful" at the very least: Here is Spencer -

As a corollary to the proposition that all institutions must be subordinated to the law of equal freedom, we cannot choose but admit the right of the citizen to adopt a condition of voluntary outlawry.

If every man has freedom to do all that he wills, provided he infringes not the equal freedom of any other man, then he is free to drop connection with the state - to relinquish its protection, and to refuse paying toward its support. It is self-evident that in so behaving he in no way trenches upon the liberty of others; for his position is a passive one; and whilst passive he cannot become an aggressor. It is equally self-evident that he cannot be compelled to continue one of a political corporation, without a breach of the moral law, seeing that citizenship involves payment of taxes; and the taking away of a man's property against his will, is an infringement of his rights.

Government being simply an agent employed in common by a number of individuals to secure to them certain advantages, the very nature of the connection implies that it is for each to say whether he will employ such an agent or not. If any one of them determines to ignore this mutual-safety confederation, nothing can be said except that he loses all claim to its good offices, and exposes himself to the danger of maltreatment - a thing he is quite at liberty to do if he likes. He cannot be coerced into political combination without a breach of the law of equal freedom; he can withdraw from it without committing any such breach; and he has therefore a right so to withdraw.

To assess one's predisposition toward being either a statist or an individualist, one merely need read that passage over again about three or four times and think on its meaning. How one ultimately perceives the logic and philosophy contained in that brief mental exercise determines in a recognizable way one's predisposition as a statist or as an individualist.

No collectivist can enjoy reading the writings of this nation's Founders, or the writings of the 19th Century libertarians, while any individualist derives intense joy and hope in so reading. The Founders spoke of "unalienable rights" which come from Nature or Nature's God, and they codified those rights as coming from, deriving from, a higher authority than any man-made government.

Collectivists, especially collectivists of the communist and socialist bent, hate and fear that kind of consciousness. To the statist, the very idea of a soul seceding from the collective government is a threat and must be eliminated. Hence Homeland Security's inherent psychological premise, and hence its hell-for-leather assault on patriotism and Constitutionalism and individualist dissent within our American society today.

For the strong in spirit, for the individualist, I'll offer this little brief film by Chris Duane of
Don't-Tread-On-Me. It's about personal secession from the futility of the "madding crowd".


iSecede


Enjoy, and -- Happy Thanksgiving!

With a 'Salute!' to Chris Duane,
Elias Alias, editor


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Re: Intertwined: Secession and ET National Secrecy Paradigm

Post by Jake Reason on Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:39 am

Cyrellys wrote:listening to music and came across this:

I'm noticing there is a series of songs usually of inspirational caliber which mirror concepts and dialogs in the paradigm...

Just thinking aloud.

NOTE. Wrt skepticism we could generally dismiss an coincidence as what I'm pondering above until you take into account that many basic concepts under discussion with regards to the Contact issue are cropping up in movies. And when you also take in how Synchronicity tends to operate you have take a look at things like this.

It's why this is called Open Minds...

Cy
I love this song. Turn the speakers up!

Contact paradigm, synchronicity?

Hi Cyrellys,
I didn't get any feeling that the singer/writer had this in mind. However I do see a great deal of Contact acclimatization interjected into media and movies.

This song rather reflects the emotions of a soldier that wonder's what and why he is doing this for. Feeling he is wasting his life and bringing sorrow to his family, but then torn between having to 'suck-it-up' and do his best while he's in it. Reaching for answers to the yearnings of his soul, in the face of potential futility.

Are the same feelings aroused while pondering the Contact paradigm? I guess in a way.

Great song!

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Post by Cyrellys on Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:40 pm

Jake Reason wrote:
Cyrellys wrote:listening to music and came across this:

I'm noticing there is a series of songs usually of inspirational caliber which mirror concepts and dialogs in the paradigm...

Just thinking aloud.

NOTE. Wrt skepticism we could generally dismiss an coincidence as what I'm pondering above until you take into account that many basic concepts under discussion with regards to the Contact issue are cropping up in movies. And when you also take in how Synchronicity tends to operate you have take a look at things like this.

It's why this is called Open Minds...

Cy
I love this song. Turn the speakers up!

Contact paradigm, synchronicity?

Hi Cyrellys,
I didn't get any feeling that the singer/writer had this in mind. However I do see a great deal of Contact acclimatization interjected into media and movies.

This song rather reflects the emotions of a soldier that wonder's what and why he is doing this for. Feeling he is wasting his life and bringing sorrow to his family, but then torn between having to 'suck-it-up' and do his best while he's in it. Reaching for answers to the yearnings of his soul, in the face of potential futility.

Are the same feelings aroused while pondering the Contact paradigm? I guess in a way.

Great song!



Yes I agree with you on the surface meaning but if you read it at the interconnected level Synchronicity operates at what you see are words that reflect concept themes that are dual purposed...consider you are seeing a music writer who is sensitive to the collective consciousness of humanity on a higher self level. When a people are going through a family of collective experiences on a substantial enough level (this has been theorized to be a 3% or higher of the population to cause a thematic focus experiencing something collectively) then mirroring of collective themes begins. That set of themes will first occure within the contexts routine for the lives of the individuals. i.e. the theme with the shirt tails of religion or the shirt tails of ethics in science or the shirt tails of subject matter available to them for writing music, i.e. the soldier under conflict circumstances as the material for the theme to practice in. This is the multi-tiered way Synchronicity patterns out work and interactions. Only the exterior is common context, the base subject is the collective experience which decides or indicates the themes needed for introspection. You have to hold an immense amount of data points to be able to pattern multi-tiered to see the correlations. Some people currently refer to it as cross-correspondences.

Synchronicity basics 101.

Cy


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Post by pman35 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:25 pm

This is something I wrote years ago and when u read it you will see how current it still is enjoy Smile


Bloodied Bitterness
In this land we run,
We look behind us ,
Run straight into a gun.

Back ways , danger ways,
New ways , old ways,
Hatred , bitterness,
Bloodied bitterness.

What is this for ,
this bloody civil war.
A cry, a far-off cry is heard,
Another one slain.
Why do we deserve this.

One side , two sides,
They’re all in this ,
Bloody game.

Killing costs lives,
So what is it ,
I’ll tell you what it is,
It’s time to stop , this killing.


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It is nice to see everyones creative flair coming forth recently.




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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:34 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/30/senate-strips-indefinite-detention-from-2012-ndaa/

The system's biggest fear is implosion. So stability is the goal between now and 2017 etc. Since the public's biggest concern is security without tyranny, it seems the threat of secession finally sunk in about the tyranny:

The U.S. Senate approved an amendment on Thursday that strips a controversial provision from the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act that allows the “indefinite detention” of American citizens within the U.S. by the military.

Will they clean up the TSA behavior next?

The issue of secession is not about the US breaking up into individual states like some unfamiliar with the patriot movement believe. No, it's about isolating the corruption, house-cleaning, and if necessary expelling D.C. from the Union in order to accomplish the clean-up.

Many in the Patriot movement are well aware of the ET/UT acclimation process in progress. However the standing opinion is that the tyranny and corruption in the national and planetary leadership areas is no longer tolerable and are of a higher priority. This issue will be dealt with prior to unambiguous contact. ET is seen as procrastinators.


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FEMA Orders 200,000 Death Certificates–What For?


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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:56 pm

The system sees multiple issues as the impetus to create a strong (read tyranny) security state. After 9-11 (false-flag to justify the NWO global governance consolidation plan) that action was used to justify a security state apparatus and continuity of governance policies in action. They went from theory to operational. The message from ET to disclose or else they will (unambiguous contact) put the security state apparatus on steroids. The American Public in particular is problematic for its independent thinking, self-sufficiency, and natural capabilities. This public was deemed necessary to be taught how to submit to a highly structured security state which would also enable a future effort toward the population stablization problem (population reduction). Hense the TSA sexual groping at airports due to the high percentage of mid-level workers and leadership who utilize air travel and once submissive would set the example for the rest of the population to follow. In America's Judeo-Christian umbrella culture the most invasive thing which can be done publicly to Americans is the crossing of sexual contact boundaries as part of the submission to the system process.

The system seems to believe that prevention of societal and social implosion requires complete control of the population and full submission to social and political policy. This has occurred due to an intellectual rift between the general population and governance in which neither trusts nor understands the other. This disconnect prevents a unified approach to unambiguous contact and sets the stage for corruption to conscript any ET/UT effort at the top of the food chain to self-serving purposes and present an adulterated version of the accounting of the experience. The disconnect also prevents the system from having access to the brightest minds, most creative skills and thinking with which to explore the contact experience. It also enables a continuation of misunderstandings in how public perception manifests and how system perception manifests. History is withheld and then adulterated to present what is deemed only the most palatable portions which enables corporate system subjects to continue to benefit from the paradigm without oversight in a now theoretical republic gone oligarchy. This by and large changes Contact and involvement in the Greater Community into a situation which has little to no beneficial effects for the general population as was originally intended and if not corrected ensures continued friction and may eventually accentuate a predilection toward infighting over knowledge, resources, and control.


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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:12 pm

animal2012 wrote:This is something I wrote years ago and when u read it you will see how current it still is enjoy Smile


Bloodied Bitterness
In this land we run,
We look behind us ,
Run straight into a gun.

Back ways , danger ways,
New ways , old ways,
Hatred , bitterness,
Bloodied bitterness.

What is this for ,
this bloody civil war.
A cry, a far-off cry is heard,
Another one slain.
Why do we deserve this.

One side , two sides,
They’re all in this ,
Bloody game.

Killing costs lives,
So what is it ,
I’ll tell you what it is,
It’s time to stop , this killing.


Thank you Animal for reminding us of what a long-lived Rift looks like. Eire's current experience should paint a very graphic picture. We should also be mindful that the Christian doctrines which sit at the core of the rift behavior are NOT NATIVE to the land nor the people. It is an adopted construct as far as the culture is concerned. If you go back into Irish history you learn that Christianity was adopted primarily due to insecurity and control of the population. It was a convenient vehicle to both leadership and caregivers for problems of that time. Later centuries and the current have introduced additional issues resulting in a rift structure and a bloody conflict.

Insecurity is not solved by Control. This is a prime example.

The same is true of the current American problem. Insecurity is not solved by Control. Control becomes the vehicle for perpetual friction and conflict. And conflict amid those who will not live by tyranny is the bloodiest of all.


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FEMA Orders 200,000 Death Certificates–What For?


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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:30 pm

Cyrellys wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/30/senate-strips-indefinite-detention-from-2012-ndaa/

The system's biggest fear is implosion. So stability is the goal between now and 2017 etc. Since the public's biggest concern is security without tyranny, it seems the threat of secession finally sunk in about the tyranny:

The U.S. Senate approved an amendment on Thursday that strips a controversial provision from the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act that allows the “indefinite detention” of American citizens within the U.S. by the military.

Will they clean up the TSA behavior next?

The issue of secession is not about the US breaking up into individual states like some unfamiliar with the patriot movement believe. No, it's about isolating the corruption, house-cleaning, and if necessary expelling D.C. from the Union in order to accomplish the clean-up.

Many in the Patriot movement are well aware of the ET/UT acclimation process in progress. However the standing opinion is that the tyranny and corruption in the national and planetary leadership areas is no longer tolerable and are of a higher priority. This issue will be dealt with prior to unambiguous contact. ET is seen as procrastinators.


and then again?

The Government Can Still Black Bag Any American

Travis Holte
Lew Rockwell Blog
Dec 1, 2012

The Senate passed the much ballyhooed Feinstein-Lee amendment last night, which supposedly partially nullifies the provision in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) allowing for Americans to be kidnapped by the government and disappeared without any charge or due process. Senator Rand Paul put out a press release declaring victory. But as Congressman Justin Amash points out, the wording of the amendment effectively codifies tyranny:

The heart of the Feinstein amendment:
“An authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the United States, UNLESS AN ACT OF CONGRESS EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZES SUCH DETENTION.”
Well, that Act of Congress is the 2012 NDAA, which renders the rest of the Feinstein amendment meaningless.

I have some questions. Why are Americans who are traveling, working, living abroad left out of this legislation? Does one only have his rights when he’s within the sanctified borders of the U.S.? Why is it not being argued that ALL PEOPLE have the right to due process? Why are there libertarians celebrating this passage when rather than making us more free it really only further enshrines the idea that the State grants (and denies) us our rights?

Senate May Repeal Secret Arrest Provision in the NDAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ohLUOOa4Ijc



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FEMA Orders 200,000 Death Certificates–What For?


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Post by pman35 on Thu May 02, 2013 6:36 am

Bloodied Bitterness
In this land we run,
We look behind us ,
Run straight into a gun.

Back ways , danger ways,
New ways , old ways,
Hatred , bitterness,
Bloodied bitterness.

What is this for ,
this bloody civil war.
A cry, a far-off cry is heard,
Another one slain.
Why do we deserve this.

One side , two sides,
They’re all in this ,
Bloody game.

Killing costs lives,
So what is it ,
I’ll tell you what it is,
It’s time to stop , this killing.

Cy wrote
Thank you Animal for reminding us of what a long-lived Rift looks like. Eire's current experience should paint a very graphic picture. We should also be mindful that the Christian doctrines which sit at the core of the rift behavior are NOT NATIVE to the land nor the people. It is an adopted construct as far as the culture is concerned. If you go back into Irish history you learn that Christianity was adopted primarily due to insecurity and control of the population. It was a convenient vehicle to both leadership and caregivers for problems of that time. Later centuries and the current have introduced additional issues resulting in a rift structure and a bloody conflict.

Insecurity is not solved by Control. This is a prime example.

The same is true of the current American problem. Insecurity is not solved by Control. Control becomes the vehicle for perpetual friction and conflict. And conflict amid those who will not live by tyranny is the bloodiest of all.


Sorry Cy I just saw the reply to this Sad


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