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Hello, Cy, hello, OMF II

Post by dan on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:35 pm

First topic message reminder :

Testing.......

Yes, it is working.

Congratulations to Cyrellys & Co.!

I will be continuing the BPWH blog from Compass Morainn, which was a continuation from the original OMF site on ProBoards, which is in the process of being re-archived from that site.



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Post by dan on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:56 am

From: Dan Smith 
Date: February 21, 2013 10:08:44 AM EST
To: Gary S Bekkum 
Cc: Ronald P and a dozen others...... 
Subject: Re: Malachy remote views "The End"???? (Ex-FBI man says DCI2B Brennan a Muslim)

(Someone might wish to forward this to Kit.  I have been on his email blacklist, for years......) 

I will single out, John P, however, for my special fickle finger award..... Crocodile tears, tiny tears....... 

If you can't stand the heat, John, then get the f*ck out of the kitchen, not to put too fine a point on it.  Gary is much too polite to come to his own defense.  

Reporting on the esoteric politics is bound to be a thankless task.  Gary gets my thanks, and then some.  

Ron says it, rather better than can any of us. 

And the soap opera will continue...... paraphrasing Kit.  



On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Kit wrote

Yes. But more often is a waste of time and harms people unfairly in balance to the gain. The rewards are tiny, the risks are great.

From: Ronald P
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:20 PM
To: Kit
Cc: ....... 
Subject: Re: Malachy remote views "The End"???? (Ex-FBI man says DCI2B Brennan a Muslim)

Hi Kit,

Not sure connection with reality matters much as this is an irrational discipline.  Decoupled from the need for logical connections between hypotheses and data sets, the story drives itself, sometimes in parallel with reality and at others along orthogonal dimensions.  The process sometimes reveals truths independent of the path, data, or characters.

Ron

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Kit wrote:

I have been constantly amazed by Gary over the years: on the positive
side, he once in awhile sends me articles of great interest to me in the
area of quantum cognitionŠwhich I value because I know so little about it.
He even introduced me to a nice man (Chinese sort of independent writer in
quantum mathematicsŠwho knew no physics nor physiologyŠbut was a great
guy. ) I had lunch with him twice and sponsored a seminar for him at the
Academy I worked at for a couple of years. It went well for true seminar,
but his colleagues never took him up because it was all abstruse and no
experimental end-point was possible. But it was GREAT theory and very
interesting. Just not valuable except as an intellectual exercise. That IS
important, though, sometimes..


On the other hand, Gary isn;t an analyst, reallyŠat east 75 % of what he
has written about me and Intelligence, what I do, what have done. And so
on is fictionŠbut it is clear where his misconceptions come from: loose
associations and no real investigative work with sourcing. ButŠa lot of
what he says IS trueŠjust that it is buried inside the 75% garbage. And
yepŠI cringe at what he writesŠbut I am luckyŠmy patients don't read his
material.

I gave up years ago caring: no one has ever asked me a thing about what he
has written about me. Gary is a very nice and good guyŠhe is just too
paranoid about nearly everything. SadlyŠhe is right about some thingsŠjust
not about people. Disentangling Gary and what he thinks, writes, and
believes is just not not possible in this lifetime for anyone who has a
day-job.

K

On 2/20/13 5:02 PM, "John P  wrote:

>Mr. Bekkum, I don't recall that we have ever met or had a significant
>communication in the past yet, over the years, you have repeatedly posted
>information on the Internet about me gleaned from anonymous "sources" that
>was both incorrect and damaging.  Although you had the means to do so, you
>didn't confirm the accuracy of those allegations nor, to my knowledge,
>even
>ask me if they were true.
>
>If I were to say that I had been told by unnamed "sources", as I have,
>that
>specific individuals on this list supposedly were in league with the
>mafia,
>and, in another situation had had sex with a coworker under the desk in
>their office, or any number of other rumors that I have heard, or if I had
>heard, as I haven't, that you were heavily into child pornography and
>really
>liked little boys and I published that information on the Internet without
>first, determining that it was accurate and second, considering what the
>potential personal damage that those allegations might generate for the
>individuals named, it would be irresponsible.  But that is what you have
>done repeatedly about me and my organization over the years.
>
>I can provide specific evidence that the untruths that you (and others)
>have
>spread about me have, on two if not three occasions, resulted in abrupt
>termination of relations with serious potential funders of my work and my
>organization.  (That statement should give you considerable pause. If not,
>look up the definition of libel.)
>
>As it turns out, Tom Drake showed up at Chris Robinson's front door in
>England about two weeks after 9/11, not giving him any information about
>the
>name of the U.S. agency where he worked but expressing an interest in the
>prediction that Chris had mailed to the American Embassy in London two
>weeks
>before 9/11.  You are in communications with Chris Robinson and could have
>confirmed that very easily if you had chosen to do so.
>
>I know no one, that I am aware of, who works for the NSA, nor have I ever
>had any material engagement with that agency, yet you have regularly
>suggested otherwise.  I met Tom Drake when Chris Robinson was visiting me
>here in West Virginia and Tom came out to chat with Chris.  Chris
>suggested
>that "this guy" was interesting and that I'd like to meet him, so I walked
>down to our little hotel and chatted with Tom for 20 minutes, mostly about
>our mutual admiration of Chris.  We suggested maybe getting together again
>sometime later.
>
>It was eighteen months later when I was in Washington on business that I
>had
>a lunch free and contacted Tom and we had lunch in a hotel restaurant
>there.
>It was then, for the first time, that I learned that his then former
>agency
>was chasing him in what he thought was a vindictive way and that he was
>now
>working at an Apple store.  I have had no further contact with him.
>
>You mention a Washington Post reporter.  Was it you who sent him fishing
>around me, calling me up and saying that "Tom Drake thinks so highly of
>you
>. . . "?  He seemed surprised to learn that I had only met Drake twice and
>had no significant relationship with him.
>
>I'm tired of this stuff, Mr. Bekkum, and I'd like to suggest that if in
>the
>future, in your continued pursuit of your Intelligence Reporter merit
>badge
>you have another requirement to muck around in the personal life of
>someone,
>you please stay away from me, my reputation and my livelihood.
>
>Thank you.
>
>John P
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary S Bekkum 
>Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:25 PM
>To: JACK SARFATTI; Gary S Bekkum
>Cc:....... 
>Subject: Re: Malachy remote views "The End"???? (Ex-FBI man says DCI2B
>Brennan a Muslim)
>
>John and Jack, and all:
>
>My source for this was vetted by another journalist working at the
>Washington Post. At the time, Drake was under indictment for espionage,
>and
>we agreed not to pursue the story further until after Justice dropped the
>espionage charges. Drake confirmed the Robinson connection and the
>pre-9/11
>psychic intelligence on Coast to Coast AM during an interview with George
>Knapp.
>
>Although Robinson's electronic devices had been stolen etc. and he thought
>he had lost all the emails from the time in question
>(2002-2004) he found hard copies he had printed inside of a book.
>Among those emails were discussions of the Rumsfeld OSD (Robinson says he
>never met with Rumsfeld but did meet with the Undersecretary).
>Drake confirmed on national coast to coast radio that Robinson's psychic
>intelligence had been shared within the U.S. intelligence community.
>
>I have far, far more than I have ever published or discussed within these
>email lists.
>
>In any event, Robinson's story is also consistent with information found
>in
>the 90,000 FOIA pages we have on file from U.S. and British intelligence
>sources.
>
>John needs to be more specific about the B.S. since we have Drake, a
>former
>senior NSA official, on the record.
>
>On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, JACK SARFATTI >wrote:

>> Indeed, Gary B frequently sees things that are not there and connects
>> dots in bizarre ways.
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: Gary S Bekkum 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:00 PM
>> To: d14947
>> Cc: .....
>> Subject: Re: Malachy remote views "The End"???? (Ex-FBI man says DCI2B
>> Brennan a Muslim)
>>
>>
>> For what it is worth, it is my understanding that Mr. Petersen's
>> Arlington Institute introduced U.K. psychic Chris Robinson to then
>> (covert) NSA official Tom Drake. Indeed, it was Eric Holder's Justice
>> Department that revealed Drake's NSA position to Robinson in the
>>espionage
>act indictment.
>> But it was Chris Mellon at Rumsfeld's OSD who was interested in
>> Robinson's potential as a walk-in source.
>>
>> Gary S. Bekkum
>> 

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Post by dan on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:49 am

(continued from the earlier post, on the previous page......)

This is about the battle on Earth, between hope and despair.........

Here are some points to keep in mind........

1.) Once hope arrives on the scene, time takes on a linear and finite trajectory. There cannot be hope, without a logical denouement....... kingdom come...... hurry, Lord..... Without hope, it's just one damned thing after another, in an Eternal return.

2.) How could I have forgotten Wilhelm L, my best possible hero?! He is #4 on the hit parade. How could the rest of us been so dense, for so long? When the fat lady sings, he is likely to be the #1 Philosopher. Me? Hey, I'm just the fat lady.

3.) Original sin.... fallen Nature? It was just a coverup. The original part of the Grand Deception, leading, quite logically, to our Great Apostasy, known as human history.

4.) Where is our Just Dessert? In the Sky, with diamonds? Well, God had to die, so that we could replace her. Or that is how the cosmic bootstrap must appear to us mortals. Be careful what we wish for? Well, methinks our fate was already written in the stars. Suck it up, everyone!


5.) As we have learned, so painfully, over so many years, the kingdom is within....... within our souls and within every atom. But, only in the End, could this be manifested, soon after the LHC uncovers the God particle. How soon would you like....... being careful what we wish for!

6.) Finally, then, is our Sapience natural or not? And I think I got you, either way! If it is unnatural, then you and I are, quite clearly, supernatural. If it is natural, then welcome to Danianity and transcendental pantheism!


From: Dan Smith 
Date: February 21, 2013 2:29:10 PM EST
To: Chris L
Cc: 8 others on Steve's list.
Subject: Re: Acting Clueless at Harvard about "ideas that matter"

Chris, 

I suppose I'm looking for something just a tad edgier.... That there is a story behind the story of our historical crisis.  

So, far, I'm the only one on Steve's list who is pointing in a transcendental direction.... Any true leadership must needs make a cosmic case of our human predicament.  

Why should the gods give a fig about us ingrates?  It is because we are caught between the two worlds...... feet on the ground, head in the clouds, through no primal fault of our own.  Yes, from day-one we have been the cosmic orphans, or b*stards, if you will.  Existentialism certainly gives voice to our state of abandonment, by Nature, and by the gods.  

Now, here we are, all dressed up in our space-suits, and nowhere to go, and quickly running out of supplies.  Pity us!  And where are the leaders, we all wonder.  

I suggest that the Cat has their tongue.  This is a cosmic problem, which rises above all mundane pay-grades.  If any of our potential leaders didn't get the memo, the kosmic kat has their number.  Why?  Simply because the existential issues are much too fraught, to leave to business as usual....... Who are we..... from whence did we come, and whither do we go?  

Can you imagine, Chris, any politician stepping up to that podium?  

But there does exist a tradition for such existential utterances.  Everyone on Steve's list knows exactly which tradition that is, but who amongst us will suck it up?  Who amongst us will step up to that podium? 

Is this a challenge?  Nah..........!  

And don't I look like just the perfect little prophet? Choose me..... choose me, I keep waving my hand.

In the meantime, where were we.....?

Head in the clouds, feet stuck on the ground...... waiting for the MoAPS. And then what? Well, we shall begin to appreciate that there is more under the Sun, than is dreamt of in our modern philosophy. Is there nothing in the world that is not reducible? Nay, is there anything that is? That's the challenge that I put out.


3:15--------

That we should be merely the passive mirrors of Nature makes precious little sense. Has nature got a vanity complex, or what? No, these waters run deeper than that. We are the magic mirror. We see above and beyond.

There is a kingdom within us, the atoms and all of creation. That kingdom ripens by the hour. We have only, somehow, to put our heads together, around that idea. We are lacking but for a midwife. No mean feat? Well, we need only rise to the challenge.

Necessity, and a vivid imagination, have been the mother of every other invention. Why stop now?

From whence springeth hope? In our hour of despair, how can we have faith in hope? In what can we place our trust? But why else would we be here, now? What else can we bring to this table?

And what about that pale blue dot, way beyond every pale? What does that tell us about hope?


4:40----------

Well, given that mind comes before matter, then space and time are no longer absolute. They are no longer receptacles. What then might they be? Well, could the starry night be something along the lines of a hologram, as are you and I? Can holograms bleed? Any reason why not?

Is this much too easy? Of course, it is. But I see no way around it. If there weren't the starry sky, what the heck would there be? God's pantaloons? Let's get serious!




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Poor Sam....... he has come up with a 16 page outline for the talk. I have had to ask him to please not hand it out, as it would be confusing, distracting and redundant. Much of it is just excepts from the wiki. I've suggested that we do lunch, and that I will continue with the 'outlining', right here, but that this is to be only for my use, thank you very much.
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Amongst that minuscule number of us with our eyes open to the future, there is a uniform despair. I claim to be the only rational exception to that despair. If the resulting BPWH is even in the right ballpark, that makes me eligible for the 4M/K/SoT/X2. And, it's truly amazing how little competition there is, even after all these years of despair.

It's just as if we spend trillions of dollars on despair, and not one penny for hope! There is a very simple and very good reason for that........ despair is cheap, hope is priceless, and it only comes along once, every few centuries, if you're lucky.

Hope does not grow on trees. Is hope unnatural? Well, therein hangs the story of civilization.


Where would civilizations be, without hope? Every civilization has had a seed, of some kind, some sort of cosmic/paranormal vision. Oh, yes, as with everything I will tell you this evening, there is a deconstructive, reductionist alternative explanation. I tell you it's a vision, and Jared Diamond will tell you that it is guns, germs and steel. For every minute of ecstasy, the are bound to that many dark hours of soul searching.

If we're not working from the same glossary, then all that we can do is shout at each other, and then it is simply might that makes right. That only ends in a nuclear version of deconstructive reductionism.

It is generally agreed, amongst those with the means to seriously ask, that we have not more than a generation to turn this juggernaut of global civilization on a dime, if we are to avert a catastrophic end.

I may not have a dime, but here is my nickel......... the BPWH. This is my vision. If it is not the best possible vision, then I want my nickel back!


11:20--------

Now, listen up, my friends, this only gets more simple........

My simple claim is that the BPWH embodies the only coherent theory of truth. The nearest competition is the ToE, theory of everything, which basically states that God is a mathematician.

Wonderful....... But, can there be a mathematician which is not also a person? Ask Srinivasa, perhaps. Well, Einstein did claim that God had no choice, so God could have just been a classical computer, on steroids.

But that depends upon two things...... your beliefs about artificial intelligence, and your understanding of panpsychism.

But here is one more big issue....... the Apeiron. Against your apeiron, I'll wager my Apokatastasis! Yes, it all comes down to that one bet. Our lives hang on that outcome.

Speaking of which, here is a real gem...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apeiron_(cosmology) See, if I don't get my act together, Jimmy W will beat me to the punch.


12:30---------

You just gotta love Jimmy/wiki........ it all comes down to Dikes, I kid you not! What stands against the abyss of the Apeiron, is just justice, Dike. And so Chicken Little, necessarily has his finger in the Dike, or is it a thumb on the Scale?! I suggest that you might also want your hard-hat.


1pm----------

You gotta read that entry. Evidently, apeiron is the flower in the crannied wall.

But, as I say, there is only one riposte, which is apokatastasis. Therein lies sapience, all else is mere sentience. There is only one thing that the Greeks failed to understand, which is that time is not absolute. They were newtonian, two millennia before Newton. Where was Wilhelm when we needed him? Yes, the Greeks had oracles, but they had no prophets? How could that have been, unless the God of revelation is also, necessarily, the God of concealment.

Here is the answer......
If I could save time in a bottle
The first thing that I'd like to do
Is to save every day
Till Eternity passes away
Just to spend them with you

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
I'd save every day like a treasure and then,
Again, I would spend them with you

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I want to go
Through time with....
This was written when Ingrid told Jim that she was pregnant. Yes, can you possibly believe me that time is just in a bottle, and that the Earth is pregnant. Does that have to be implausible? Only over my dead body.

Heed wiki, and my words, listen to the song, and then read the book, and you should know everything that we mortals have a need to know........ http://www.amazon.com/The-Testament-Mary-Colm-Toibin/dp/1451688385 .



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Poor Sam....... he has come up with a 16 page outline for the talk. I have had to ask him to please not hand it out,
ROTFLMAO

I presume his wife, long ago insisted she take care of the grocery list.

Is time running out? Last Pope?

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Post by dan on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:10 am

Jake,

Grocery lists.......?! Tell me about it? Sam and I had a two hour happy-hour, and seem to be kinda on the same page. Meanwhile, my mental outline is going every way, but Sunday.......

1.) The BPWH is fraught with loose ends and half-baked ideas........ after all, it is a home-brew. I don't wish to lead my poor, semi-captive audience into too many blind alleys, or cognitive labyrinths....... but I have fallen in love with the Apeiron..... the primordial Abyss! And I am only trying to keep my finger in that Dyke.

2.) My first priority is to keep folks fully engaged, without also overloading their circuits. With Danianity, that can be a fine line, between the devil and the deep blue sea. Yes?

3.) We face an existential crisis. There is no way to face up to that crisis without addressing our ultimate concerns.

4.) What are those concerns, and do we share them?

(And, hot off the press....... http://youtu.be/X6AjoyWO1tA )


Another day, another nickel.......
From: Dan Smith 
Date: February 23, 2013 3:24:19 PM EST
To: CoF........ 
Subject: Re: Existential Crisis...... ultimate concerns?

(cont.......6) 

I understand that I am playing Scheherazade..... within the mean streets of the CoF...... I need to close the deal, as I will tomorrow, at the BGF, wherein I have 45 minutes of rope, with which to hang myself.  

Ok, then, here's the deal....... 

There is a cosmic deal...... you and I are bellied up to the cosmic crap table..... but I'm here to tell you that life is not a crap-shoot.  I'm here to tell you that we are not playing this 'game' against the House.  The dice are loaded.  Les Jeux Sont Fait!  Would you and I be here if they weren't, and if it wasn't?  Yes, that is a rhetorical question, as are all the questions I have ever asked.  

IOW, we have not outsmarted Nature.  Nature knows exactly how to deal with us, and She knew that, from long before you and I were a gleam in Her eye.  Are these the death throes or the birth pangs?  Are we a cancer or a chrysalis? 

So, do you hold to you unshakeable skepticism, like Steve K?  Then I have to ask you...... if we can't trust Nature, who can we trust?  

Dan 


On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

(cont.....5) 


Am I making this sound difficult, or somehow unobvious?  Well, it's not!  

It is simply that, in the Nature that we thought we had outsmarted, there is a depth that is untouched by our predations and ratiocinations.  Behind and beneath the environmental movement there has been the ancient wisdom of our very deep attachment to all of life, and even to the stars.  

There was something, very intangible, that was touched by the Silent Spring.  John Muir and Rachel Carson came 'years' before we had any thought of peak oil, etc.  They remain the heart and soul of the environmental movement.  All else has merely been selfish interest.  It is to that Root that I turn your attention....... 

How could it be that we, cosmic interlopers, can still manage to feel connected?  Modernism and science are all about our being cogs in the machine.  But what then of the Zen of Motorcycle Maintenance?  Is there a soul, even in our machines?  There is an ecologically blasphemous thought.  You see, just when you thought I was leading you down a familiar, primrose path, into the depths of ecology, I have to remind that we have bigger fish to fry...... We have ultimate concerns to confront, one way or another.......!  


(cont......6) 



On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Dan Smith  wrote:

(cont......4) 

Every philosopher knows, by now, that there is just one rock left unturned by science.  That is you and me....... from dust we come.... to dust we shall return?  That used to be taken to be only an individual admonition.  But, now, just with the CoF, there are a handful of us who are waking to the ultimate nightmare....... our strutting upon this stage is finished, one way or the other. 

Are we going to roll over for scientific reductionism?  Are going to be defined as meat machines..... as atoms swerving in the dark, on the third rock from a dwarf star?  Is that all she wrote.  May the very patient fat-lady now, finally, sing?  Where is the hope, if it is not buried in our subconscious?  

Thinking outside of this box is not necessarily reaching for the stars..... it might also be probing the depths of our psyches.  At this late hour, can we be other than pearl divers?  Where is the pearl of great price, the one that we are not supposed to cast before the swine?  


(cont......5) 



On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Dan Smith  wrote:

(cont......3) 


MoAPS.......?  The mother of all paradigm shifts!  

Why 'Mother'?  Quite simply because, when you stop to think what it must entail, you come to realize that we have run out of little paradigm shifts.  The very first paradigm shift, the one that defined science and modernism, was the Copernican Revolution.  Every shift since then has only tended to amplify the point that life must be an absurdity in a meaningless universe...... that you and I are cosmic orphans, and, in light of the prevalent view that we are a cancer upon the planet, third rock from the sun, that you and I are cosmic b*stards, to boot!  

How much further can we go into the wilderness of absurdity and bastardy?  How much closer can we come to the brink of our annihilation?  I, for one, am not inclined to push that paradigm a whole lot further!  


(cont.......4) 



On Feb 23, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Dan Smith  wrote:

(cont......2) 

There is only one place left to look..... where, quite obviously, the truth is being hidden in plain sight....... 

Actually, it is what, at first sight, appears to be eight very separate places....... MoAPS/4M/K/SoT/X2......??!! 

What I am pointing to is simply that every belief system, including especially science, necessarily/logically contains the seeds of it's own overthrow or usurpation.  

Surely, you have heard of paradigm shifts and revelations...... Yes, every belief system, worth its salt, that has endured the test of time, necessarily contains an escape clause.  Some may be harder to find than others, but, hey, trust me, this is not rocket science.  

And here we all sit, cursing the darkness, when eight candles burn brightly before us!  



(cont.....3) 


On Feb 23, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Smith  wrote:

(cont.......) 


Is science going to help us here?  Science appears to be failing us, in our hour of need.  It promised us a perpetual, material progress, and, while reaching for the stars, we trip in the ditch of our present crisis. 

Religions fail us, in as much as they appeal to our selfish and/or tribal interests, or to any sort of narrow, sectarian, devil take the hindmost, attitude.  

If we rule out science and religion, then where are we?  Where is anything that we can hang onto?  Is it possible that we will have to think outside the Box?  Oh, no!  What a scary thought that is!  Being 'forced' to think outside the box is almost worse than having an existential crisis! 

No, my friends, having an existential crisis is just that....... thinking beyond our normal lives and or normal thoughts!  

It is exactly that point at which we are forced to ask....... Who are we, from whence did we come..... and whither do we go?!  If we cannot, together, come up with a heartfelt, mindful answer to those question, then, let's just take our last bow..... 


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On Feb 23, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

CoF, 

Do we not face an existential crisis?  Perhaps we can muddle through...... perhaps there is a prosperous way down, but many in this Circle are skeptical.  

Perhaps we can, as Jack sincerely hopes, find our way through this crisis, simply by appealing to our unselfish(?!) self-interests.  Again, more than a few of us are skeptical.  

If we cannot appeal merely to our lowest common denominator of selfish-interest, then our only recourse is to appeal to our ultimate concerns, which may, or may not, turn out to be shared.  

If we cannot find a way to share our ultimate concerns, then we truly are up a narrow creek, without a paddle.  

What are the chances........? 


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Science as Religion
Terry: you raise some interesting points about religions and cults, and I agree with you. Citing Goldman Sachs as a cult seems particularly insightful. I would, however, add a couple more to your list—how about fundamentalist science, ala Richard Dawkins, and fundamentalist atheism, ala Sam Harris? These, too, are cults, it seems to me. In fact, any group at all that believes it is the owner of the One True Truth amounts to a kind of religion. I like the bumper sticker that reads: “I don’t know and you don’t know, either!” That is intellectually honest. To pretend you know when you really don’t, well…that gets to be like religion, and takes a leap of faith. In the face of uncertainty, many are willing to take that leap. I stand with those who can handle uncertainty. Maybe the Universe is meaningless and all random chance. Maybe there is a god who watches each sparrow fall and is concerned with the destiny of men. I tend not to believe in either of these propositions. But I don’t know, and I don’t know who really does.
Gary
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From: Terry 
To: Robin 
Cc: ...... 
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: Thinking - Acting Clueless at Harvard

Robin:

Let's not forget Goldman Sachs, CCP (Chinese Communist Party) and the Military-Industrial -Consumer complex.

When do cults or similar entities become Religions? Who decrees such things? The Pope? And is there any difference  between national cults and religions? Not much, I believe, in purpose or methods.

And so it follows, will  the real freedom fighters please rise?

Cheers 

Terry

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1YxczPEPrs for ca, with just a feather or two.

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Post by dan on Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:24 am

If I were a mere mortal, I imagine I would have been disappointed by the lack of response, yesterday, but I do seem to be an energizer bunny, and I remain determined to go out like my sister, with her boots on.

Instead of disappointment, I feel that I've held up my end of the SoT bargain. I've pushed every button and pulled every string, within reach, for the last 36 years, and there is still not one person who has made a significant or sympathetic effort to understand the BPWH. That ball is no longer in my court.

Within the week, I'll be meeting with Ron, for the first time since Aliyah suggested that it was time for me to take my boots off, and that was some weeks before Rome. Well, it turns out, according to the Footman, that she was only concerned that I might once again have tracked Milan/dog poop into the house. So I'm certainly glad that we have cleared up that little misunderstanding!

Right now, Chris L owes me an email. My last string is to urge Ron to get on the phone again with Larry, to see if he can't sponsor a meeting between Chris, Jack S, and me. If the three of us were to get on the same page, even just as a temporary expedient, it could, with a little extra backing from Ron and Larry, be broadcast as a noteworthy eventuality. That is the last trick I have up my sleeve. The rest will just be business as usual.

And guess who invited me to lunch today? Bill S of GFC/SfA. I'm more than a bit nervous at this prospect. It turns out that GFC has virtually disowned the SfA, and I was certainly instrumental in that outcome. To get back in the good graces of Grace, it is quite likely that Bill will urge me to discontinue my attendance at the SfA. What should my response be? Before tendering my resignation, I may request a consultation with my CIA handler. There will then be two items on the agenda, for later this week.


11:20-----------

As far as my talk went, yesterday, even though I had a little more than an hour to talk, all I was able to do was give a partial outline of the BPWH and its possibly strong relation to our existential crisis. One really does need to paint a picture, and there was liberal use of a whiteboard. There continues to be a paucity of positive feedback, so it remains difficult for me to assess what, if anything, is getting through. All I can do is pray, and try to keep my boots on.


From: Dan Smith
Date: February 25, 2013 3:52:30 PM EST
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Existential Crisis...... ultimate concerns?

Chris, 

I spent some hours studying your material, some weeks ago.  I understood significant portions of it then, but very little has stuck with me, and I'm not the dumbest guy in town.  The clear idea that I did come away with is that you might be my best possible collaborator.  

I believe, Chris, that I pay rather more attention to the pedagogy and immediacy relative to my thinking.  I am an eschatologist, and I make rational arguments for the immediacy of significant aspects of the Omega.  I gear my arguments as much as possible to 'average' intelligence.  

I may be wrong about the timing of Disclosure or Revelation, but I consider myself to be on-call for explaining it to the public.  I am hereby asking you to assist me in this preparedness drill.  

Is there anything that ought to have a higher priority, for any of us, beyond individual, daily survival?  

Yes, it is very important that we especially include intellectuals in our outreach, and this I why I am coming to you, to help with that aspect of this endeavor, unless, of course, you can direct me to someone better suited.  I have looked far and wide.  Can you think of anyone who might be better suited to understanding the BPWH, and explaining it to academia? 

I will be meeting with Ron on [...], for the first time since his recent meeting with the departing Pope.  Would there be anything that Ron could say to you or Larry that might further expedite our collaboration?  

Dan 

BTW, Bill did not ask me to tender my resignation, but I never did find out the purpose of the meeting. However, when I made some strenuous effort to recruit him as my tutor in Christian philosophy, he did not jump up and down with joy. Nonetheless, mutual understanding appears to have been broadened.

He pointed me to the notion of the Aseity of God, and my glossary failed me, until.....
A winter's day
In a deep and dark December;
I am alone,
Gazing from my window to the streets below
On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don't talk of love,
But I've heard the words before;
It's sleeping in my memory.
I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.
Then I got it!



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Jake wrote:

Well here I stand
all by myself,
Like a lonely streetlamp
in my home town.
All is still
the world's asleep,
As trash blows me down the street
at the will,
the will of the wind.

All seems so futile,
what can I do?
a voice -
Listen now and I 'll tell.

Come to Jesus,
quit playing the role,
Come to Jesus,
and cut the act.
Come to Jesus,
right now,
and he'll make you whole.



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Post by dan on Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:08 pm

Jake,

I'm not sure we're totally on the same page here. A gather that you are siding with Aliyah. It's time for me to remove my boots, whether or not I've stepped in dog-poop, or maybe that is part of your premise?
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Since Dan took it upon himself to post this thread (below) I will post my reply to John Petersen:

Hi John,

I apologize if there has been any misunderstanding, but let me here
and now be very clear about the information we received, and any other
information that has been reported involving the Arlington Institute.

The primary information I have received, as reported, was that your
futurist think-tank institute is the nexus for many individuals with
common interests, in particular, precognitive contact (perhaps via
non-human intelligence) and the ability to predict the future.

Some of those individuals have been associated with various activities
and nebulous links to certain intelligence agencies; by association at
a minimum.

Regarding Mr. Drake, it was clearly stated that it was the nexus of
your activities at Arlington Institute, perhaps via other individuals
of our acquaintance, which provided an "introduction" to the
precognitive Mr. Robinson.

Let me state here I do not contest your version of events regarding
Drake and Robinson, as they are more or less consistent with my
primary sources on this particular story (that is, primarily Drake and
Robinson). Indeed, there is some minor inconsistency between their two
accounts of events.

Also, I have now read through a large portion of the declassified STAR
GATE documents released by the CIA. Your institute was identified in
at least one document concerning a potential leak of the then still
classified program effort (and at that time many previous program
members were talking, seemingly in violation of their security oath,
as noted in memos from program head Dr. Ed May).

Although some sources remain protected in the files, there is a
surprising amount of information about methods used by the Agency and
others to conceal their domestic activities in the paranormal
community. I have suggested nothing more is involved with respect to
Arlington Institute.

There are other stories, of course, provided by numerous sources who
have had contact with your organization. Each provides their own
personal, colored and highly biased viewpoint of their experiences
(Laura Eisenhower and Catherine Austin Fitts come to mind, among many
others).

I have only reported on statements made by others, already published
online, and have never endorsed any negative information concerning
yourself, or Arlington Institute, beyond stating on the record that we
hold you in high regard for your efforts.

Regarding the Washington Post reporter, I turned to the Post for
confirmation of Robinson's claim of working with Drake, which he
revealed to me after Drake had been indicted under the espionage act.
Drake's method is eerily similar to methods outlined in the CIA
approach to the "phenomenology problem" as found in the STAR GATE
files.

The other odd accusations (in particular, Laura Eisenhower's
recruitment story) are consistent with both intelligence agency
methods in STAR GATE and with the best (or worst) of Hollywood
imaginings. In either version of events, there has never been any
indication that you or your institute were involved outside of the
nexus of persons of possible interest to the intelligence community.

I hope that clears up my position on these matters and any confusion
that I have or had accused you or your institute of anything.

And for the record, I have over the years brought some of my concerns
regarding the alleged intelligence activities to the FBI and CIA. FBI
responded to me from the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF).

---

Again, as I have stated in the past, I personally hold Mr. Petersen
and his effort in the highest regard. That Mr. Petersen's institute
might have been a useful deflection from NSA-sponsored activity would
not be surprising, given methods recorded in the official record for
the previous paranormal programs run by the intelligence community.

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[[Gary then appends a copy of my lengthy post #901, dated Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:56 am, seen at the top of this page, composed of the relevant email thread. I have removed that lengthy redundancy. Dan]]



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From: Ronald Pandolfi 
Date: February 26, 2013 7:31:05 PM EST
To: Dan Smith 
Subject: Chronicles

Dan,

Select one paragraph from the Chronicles and post to your blog with an explanation of how it relates to your issues.

Ron

From: Foot Man
Date: February 24, 2013 10:07:02 PM EST
To: .......
Subject: Chronicles of the Little Princess -- December 2012 Edition

Friends of Aliyah,

Chronicles of the Little Princess documents the life lessons of Aliyah and her quests for Justice, Best Possible Marriage, Best Possible Family, and Best Possible World.  These quests will lead her on a difficult path that only the bravest and purest will follow.  I hope you will enjoy reading about the Little Princess, and that you will be motivated by her spirit to do a little more to improve the World.

Editor in Chief -- Chronicles of the Little Princess


Dear Brothers, Sisters, and Friends of the Princess,

This month the Chronicles focuses on Travel, the process through which the Princess bridges  time and space.  From the time she was a small child, the Princess enjoyed travelling.  Her travels this month took her to Greece, Italy, Malta, and Turkey -- the origins of her genetic diversity and an important step in the long journey she must take to return home.  Readers this month are invited to submit stories of the Little Princess travelling along the high mountain passes of Kashmir, riding on a brave Yak among a herd of Blue Goats.

Arrival.  The Princess advises that travel often brings about unanticipated changes.  The weather was warm and sunny leaving the Great Falls, but it was wet and freezing upon arrival in Rome.  The Princess, Kashmir, and entourage including butler, footman, and porter set out by bus from Leonardo da Vinci Airport towards Rome.  They arrived still early in the morning at Hotel Cressy, a small Hostel where the Princess and Kashmir could rest.  Although the hotel lacked heat, hot water, or room service, the Little Princess settled in while the butler prepared meals from fresh local produce.

[...]

Well, I was a bit at a loss to find a particularly relevant paragraph. In general, however, I do support the nuclear-free Kashmir initiative that is alleged to lie behind this peripatetic liaison, as well as the private visit with the departing Pope, as recounted earlier in this thread.

However, the topic of all of my posts is the BPWH/MoAPS/4M/K/SoT/X2. The relevance thereto, of the many other details, remains obscure to me. It would be most gratifying, if Ron were to explain these to us.
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11:10--------

Here is a partial, preliminary version of the handout/glossary, prepared by Sam, that accompanied my talk to the BGF, on Sunday. I highly recommend even this version........

http://www.baltimoregreenforum.org/documents/Dan_Smith_Handout_20130224.pdf
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From: Ronald 
Date: February 27, 2013 11:20:46 AM EST
To: Dan Smith 
Subject: Re: Chronicles

Very strange selection. I anticipated you would select the paragraph that includes dialog between the Princess and Deacon or perhaps that one that more directly reflects on cosmology.
Ok........
Papal Guidance.  Requests for guidance come to the Princess from many dimensions, and she responds in kind, sometimes with a personal visit.  Returning to Rome, the Princess came across a young Deacon walking quickly down the sidewalk.  The Marine briefly detained the Deacon, as was his duty, then allowed the young man to pass through to the Princess.  “What is your reason for becoming a Priest,” she asked.  “To help people, he replied.”  “Then why did you walk past that homeless man sitting in the freezing rain without appropriate clothing?” she questioned.  The Deacon suddenly realized with whom he was speaking.  “Should I welcome this man into your home?” he questioned.  “I welcome all with good intentions into my home,” she replied.  The Footman then led the Princess to her suite at the Rome Cavelieri where she was presented with a green Amethyst Ring as a token of remembrance of her Papal Guidance.
I'm sorry, but these references are escaping me. Is Ron giving me some of my own medicine? And I'm have trouble locating the cosmology references, but here are some more paragraphs........
Boarding.  During times of greatest danger, the Princess often advances alone, certain of victory.  The following morning she headed out into the cold, wet, and windy streets of Rome in search of new carriage for Kashmir, while the butler, footman, porter, and Marine waited in relative comfort at Cressy.  Several hours later the Princess suddenly appeared with a bright new carriage.  With Kashmir safely enclosed, the Princess advanced again with her entourage to the local train station and then on to Civitavecchia, the Port of Rome.  Arriving at the Port, the Footman suddenly dropped to his knees and offered the following dedication:

We embark now on an important step in the long journey you must take to return home.  Inspired by your beauty, people of ancient times built great structures and gardens.  Inspired by your charity, they developed the basis of modern democracy.  Inspired by your intellect, they created great works of science, engineering, and literature.  With your return they will be inspired to achieve a just end and renewal.  

The Princess then graciously accepted a round cut Pink Topaz and Morganite Ring.





Safety.  The Princess encourages members of the Court to establish good relationships with others who can provide service.  The Princess was invited on the ship to ensure safe passage.  Once on the ship, the Princess set about to create a network of friends who could ensure her passage was Royal.  She discussed international restaurant business with the Maître D, proper hygiene with the Cabin Steward, and entertainment industry with the ship Singer.  This set into motion a series of adjustments that ensured the Princess received Royal care in the restaurant, cabin, and during entertainment.

Wedding.  Next on the agenda was preparing for the big wedding.  On 12/12/12 the Princess and her Footman were married on a remote Greek Island under the watchful eyes of Peafowl, Geese, Ducks, and of course Feral Cats.  These are the Gods that called the Princess to Greece, helped her atop Mount Olympus, and guided her to the Lost Island.  Kashmir selected among the Cats several suitable to participate in the wedding party, and the West Coast Marine performed the ceremony within a blooming garden of roses.

Peacocks guided us to this remote Island where cats have ruled since the Gods departed.  They welcomed your return with songs of pleasure and helped Kashmir with her training.  You granted me another opportunity to dedicate myself as protector of your feet, guardian of the boots that guide you among the flowers.  Please accept the Black Diamond of Rupee as a token of my commitment to your ascendence to the Throne of Roses.

Kashmir handed the Giant Black Diamond with Emeralds to the Footman who placed it on the finger of the Princess.



Touring.  The Princess encourages all who have strayed to seek a return to the correct path.  Among the Greek Islands the Princess met many people who were seeking such a return, and she provided them with guidance on how to adjust their lives and open their minds and hearts to wisdom.  Artisans abound on the Islands providing connections to a glorious past and opportunities for a brighter future.

Anniversary.  A few days after the Wedding, the Princess and her Footman celebrated their anniversary, and= event that Kashmir enjoys as well with song, dance, and refreshments.  It was a  private affair, providing the Princess with some rest from her daily Royal Obligations.

When first we met you opened my mind to all time, the greatness of your past, difficult times among humanity, and tranquility of your future.  A bright light dissolving the boundaries between mass and energy, time and space, past and future, and with it a separation of good and evil.  At your feet I will ride, with Kashmir at your side, and the many rings and rules they must abide.

The Footman then presented the Princess with a small token of appreciation for her role in dissolving boundaries and creating separations, a Morganite Starburst Ring.

From: Dan Smith 
Date: February 27, 2013 12:10:25 PM EST
To: Ronald 
Subject: Re: Chronicles

I'm having trouble understanding the various references in the Deacon paragraph. 

I posted that, and several other paragraphs that may or may not be cosmological.  Any further tips would be appreciated. 

2:20-----------

In the past few months I have been skimming Thomas Nagel's 'Mind and Cosmos'. I was just digging deeper into it, when Gary B, recommended it to me, earlier today. I do highly recommend it.


From: Dan Smith 
Date: February 27, 2013 3:49:58 PM EST
To: Chris 
Cc: Larry, Ron 
Subject: Re: On the potential for limited collaboration at some point

Chris,

All of my communications with Ron have been open to public inspection, as you may see from today's posting.  This has been true from day one, back in September of '91, as may be readily verified on the Internet.

Feel free to access my akashic record, at your convenience.  That Ron or anyone else may have a sequestered portion of such record, is beyond my understanding or belief.  

I place all of my trust in God.  If God wishes to have a Judas or a Ron betray me, that is God's prerogative.  Is that not the usual Christian understanding of human trust?  

Some seemingly anonymous person once asked me if I would trust my life to my CIA 'handler'.  My response was something to the effect that I was not aware that there was a choice.  

But, yes, in a very early encounter, I was directed to a midnight meeting at a deserted boatyard on the Potomac.  Did I hesitate, or ask questions?  Ask Ron.  

Yea, though I walk through the valley......... What more can anyone say or hope for?  

I have never asked Ron for specific information.  I have asked him, however, to facilitate my contact with you.  

Please feel free to ask further questions.  I'm not aware that I've held anything back, from you or from anyone else.

Dan
On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Ronald wrote:

The boatyard was deserted because it was midnight.  The purpose was attempting to catch catfish from the dock.  Catfish feed at night, so night fishing for catfish is advisable.  Dan did arrive on time with fishing pole, but he quickly tangled his line on some rocks.  I do not recall if he caught a fish. 
I recall no entanglement. Did I catch a Catfish? The jury may still be out. Or was that the 'entanglement'. Some have compared me to a terrier, with its teeth in a pant-cuff. Do I resemble that remark?



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dan wrote:Jake,

I'm not sure we're totally on the same page here. A gather that you are siding with Aliyah. It's time for me to remove my boots, whether or not I've stepped in dog-poop, or maybe that is part of your premise?
That wouldn't fit the intended interpretation.
...it is meant to be taken literally.

It's an equation. The closing stanza, answers the 2nd stanza' question, to the opening quandary.

Playing the role,
the act,
Is what holds you back

It is not yours to play
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Jake,

This is my blog, and I'll be ambiguous if I want to........
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dan wrote:Jake,

This is my blog, and I'll be ambiguous if I want to........
I added to the above post.

You don't need stop being ambiguous. That should continue as its purpose requires.

The song is for the internal you.
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re today's posts;

It appears the catfish is coming out of the waters

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Post by Jake Reason on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:57 pm

Dan wrote:
11:10--------

Here is a partial, preliminary version of the handout/glossary, prepared by Sam, that accompanied my talk to the BGF, on Sunday. I highly recommend even this version........

http://www.baltimoregreenforum.org/documents/Dan_Smith_Handout_20130224.pdf
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Thank you and Very well done, Mr Hopkins

Apologies for my earlier premature comments.

This is an excellent piece of work.

Not too shabby, as Dan would say

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Post by dan on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Minimally, perhaps.

Yes, what is my role, other than to be droll, like the laughing Buddha, and God's other clowns?

A/O....... Well, maybe I'm the warmup act.......
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Post by dan on Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:54 am

The latest brouhaha is that Larry wishes to remote view our higher selves, just to reassure himself that we are of the right stuff........ but he claims to need our permission to do so, and that once this permission is granted, it cannot be withdrawn. Wowser!

Me and my spirit are as innocent as the driven snow, with nary a cloud in the sky. Permission granted!!

Ron......? I'm not so sure about the Ronster/Catfish. I try to keep my eye on him. And, since I am his spiritual overseer, Ron told Larry that he would have to get that additional permission from me. But does this not raise issues of national security? What Level of clearance does Larry's higher self have, we'd like to know? It may take a few more days to sort out the security protocols in these higher dimensions.

But we do have to sympathize with poor Larry....... Here he is, about to venture into the Belly of the Beast. Wouldn't you want to make extra sure that your asbestos skivvies were fully operational? No doubt about it.
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I'm enjoying the first chapter of David Berlinski's the Devil's Delusion, reading it in parallel with Thomas Nagel's Mind and Cosmos.




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From: Dan Smith 
Date: March 1, 2013 11:32:32 AM EST
To: Chris 
Cc: .....
Subject: Re: On the potential for limited collaboration at some point

Chris, 

Over twenty years of BBQ-buddyship, I would reluctantly admit to some degree of trust.  But I'm not sure that is the point of the erstwhile Aquarium or the sputtering R&D show.  It may be more akin to two guys in a foxhole.  It is what it is....... wysiwyg, well, that's on my side.  I act as a kind of buffer.  It may also be a bit of the good and bad cop thing.  

You and Larry need have no contact with Ron, if that is your preference.  I have nothing to hide in regard to R&D, as should be readily clear, from my conversation and manner.  Our interests and the government's interests presumably and legitimately overlap.  Should we request that Ron be replaced?  Be my guest.  I would only submit that the devil we half-know, is probably better than the one we don't know at all.  

Ron tells me that he told Larry to seek my permission relative to any spiritual contact.  On behalf of myself and Ron, I am perfectly comfortable with that.  

It might raise an issue or two of security clearance, but, hey, there are plenty of folks who are sniffing in these precincts, with no such permission.  So, again, the devil we know.......  If you happen to stumble into the wrong skeleton in the wrong closet, I imagine that you will be properly forewarned.  There are stories....... The self-revealing God is also, necessarily, the self-concealing God.  Me?  I just trip through the tulips.  

Dan 

As any questions arise, do not hesitate for you or Larry to call.  


From: Dan Smith 
Date: March 1, 2013 12:11:54 PM EST
To: Chris 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: On the potential for limited collaboration at some point

BTW....... 

Early on, in the R&D show, I did attempt to legitimate my contact with Ron, first by going to the Bush family, through my sister.  That ran into a peculiar roadblock.  I then went to the SSCI, and ended up speaking with a Chris Straub, ranking staff member, and former Jesuit.  After a few weeks, and a special briefing, Chris met with me twice, and then included Ron in our third meeting.  I asked him if he was familiar with eschatology.  He said he was.  Toward the end of that first meeting, he told me that he could not report on anything ad-hominem, but that he could assure me that I was dealing with some very competent people.  

Has that situation changed?  Possibly, but in the Internet age, and my big mouth, it would be rather difficult to take R&D rogue.  No?  

Dan 



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Re: Hello, Cy, hello, OMF II

Post by Mur on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:25 pm

Greetings Omies and "Dannies"

I hope you all are well.

I've not read the thread in a while, but I'm interested in comments regarding the upcoming "black pope"

I'd much appreciate a good link.

I'd certainly entertain opinions also.

These are intriguing times

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Re: Hello, Cy, hello, OMF II

Post by dan on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:47 pm

I have a call into Andy.

Am listening to Tori Amos, while still reading DB.


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I have conversed with Mur, and I note the following article....... http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/02/white-smoke-for-a-black-pope.html

Yes...... interesting times.......

And I am supposed to look into Pandora's box, on TOP.


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Post by Mur on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:51 pm

It was nice to speak with you again Dan.

If someone can link the page where the footman met the grand poohbah last month...I'd appreciate it


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http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1132-Pandora-s-Box-The-Disclosure-Lite-Program
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Re: Hello, Cy, hello, OMF II

Post by dan on Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:16 pm

Andy,

See post #875 on page 59........

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Post by Mur on Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:48 pm

Someone sent me this about the last 10 popes

http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm


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Post by Mur on Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:17 pm

dan wrote:Andy,

See post #875 on page 59........

That's a post after the fact...after the meeting....do you have a post prior to the RP/PB audience announcing such?

Another thing...is there any proof such meeting took place?

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Post by dan on Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:02 pm

Andy,

I believe there may be such a post....... see the post concerning ufos in Kashmir. And, yes, there were phone conversations. But, in my life, I have told lies, so I suggest that you walk on by........! Your cynicism will be quite intact. You continue to look for the smoking gun. I pray that I am not that...... certainly not for you, Andy.


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