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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:39 pm

ScaRZ wrote:Jake when I read your post I thought of Billy Graham.

VERY interesting ScaRZ

http://www.billygraham.org/

Can An Evangelical Christian Vote for a Mormon?
http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=8998

Billy Graham, Mitt Romney Meet
http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=8983


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I didn't know this about Billy Graham, but it fits like-a-glove with the hypothesis I have regarding this election. Graham's action crystallizes it for me.

I hope Cyrellys is reading this, I'd like some feedback here.

Most Christian Americans would be surprised by Graham's vote for Romney. What!? has Billy gone senile? Mormons are declared a Cult by main stream Christianity. And ESPECIALLY Evangelicals! Obama is the supposed Christian in the White House! What is Graham thinking? This doesn't make sense.... Oh but it does;

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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:41 pm

I'd bet dollars-to-donuts that Colin Powell votes for Mitt Romney. Even though he endorsed Barrack Obama for President in 2008.

Yes I know this is an odd opening comment, but hopefully I can explain how this fits into the grand scheme of things.

We've got a 'War of the Worlds' raging on planet earth. And there is going to be a lot of Topsy-turvy Flip-flopping going on down here.

Digress...
I few months ago I felt the Romney campaign was a PtB farce designed to make it look like there was a Presidential race, when in fact it had already been determined Obama would be re-elected a second term. Even if it took rigging the votes, poor Gore. I thought putting a Mormon High Priest in the race, was part of the rigging to insure an Obama second crowning.

But things started to change. I saw signs of a hidden power behind Romney, and it wasn't simply the support of the Republican Party. There was something else. I couldn't figure out what it was, there was just some mysterious power quietly hovering over the waters.

No doubt the Democrat Election Dream Machine thought the heavens were on their side when a slick Mormon was picked to be their only competition. This race should be a cinch to win. And like most political analysts, I too thought that the Romney Team was only distancing itself from G.W.Bush for fear of lost votes. It seems so obvious. Even the Bush family remains reservedly mute to protect the party at all cost, even though they surely miss the lime-light of yesteryear.

But wait! Stop the Press, this looks all too neatly packaged. And you know what they say about appearances.

Yes, appearances are for the masses. Who are busy enough with their own lives, that they have little extra time to learn how things at-the-top are really run. Bill Clinton in a recent interview with Piers Morgan summed it up when he explained that a President can only hope to implement 2 percent of his campaign platform when in Office. How many people knew that?

The U.S. President and Commander-in-Chief, may well sign all orders, but he doesn't actually make all those decisions. He's an employee too. Most decisions are made for him. Assuming Clinton is right, a whopping 98 percent of Presidential Policy is effected by other powers of influence.

And who are these other powers of influence? Well that's complicated. Simplistically speaking its the people who put him in the chair. And who are they? Well you don't raise $6 Billion for a Presidential Race through citizen pledges and fund raising lunches. No typo, that's billion with a B. The majority of the costs are paid by 'powers' with no name. At least as far as the general public will ever know.

Let's cut to the chase as to where I'm going here. As I wrote in a previous post, "The PtB (Powers that Be) who financed and orchestrated the Bush administration, are the same PtB who financed and orchestrated the current Obama/Clinton administration."

Now I know that sounds hard to grasp, after all it was Republicans VS Democrats, two camps, worlds apart. Everyone knows that. Yes, but, let's take a closer look. To quote an oldy, "what you do speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying".

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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:42 pm

ScaRZ wrote:I wonder if Tom Cruise was running for President would Graham’s Evangelistic Association ease up on Scientology.

What other compromises would you be willing to make for political purposes?
Compromise? The answer I believe resolves on whose side one thinks the Man of Perdition will arise. IOW, Which PtB group will orchestrate that? Mr. Graham, me thinks, has a pretty good idea.

What's the difference between the Trilateralists and the Oath Keepers? With that hint dropped, I'll continue on with what I see unfolding ...

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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:43 pm

Jake Reason wrote:
What's the difference between the Trilateralists and the Oath Keepers?
This is where it gets tricky. As all philosophical groups contain people of differing views concerning the parts of the whole. There are good and bad in both. Some Trilateralists are Oath Keepers, and visa-versa. But there remain some stark differences between these groups.

Especially with regards to the 'War of the Worlds' raging among the PtB.

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Back to Republican VS Democrat, and Bush Administration VS Obama/Clinton Administration. "what you do speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying".

Remembering the 2008 Election.
First there was the race between Obama and Clinton for the Democratic Candidacy. That race alone took up a year. Some may recall that the Mrs was the front runner for the longest time, she was the shoe-in, so it appeared. Her countenance exuded pre-confirmed confidence.

Ufologers might recall, she had a stroll in the park estate with Rockefeller. She was carrying a book, "Are We Alone?: Philosophical Implications Of The Discovery Of Extraterrestrial Life", by Paul Davies. Now I'm not going to turn this into a UFO story. This is about Presidential Politics, Power, Influence and Funding.

I'll never forget the look on her face when she found out that Obama won the Democratic Candidacy. She didn't believe the Reporter at first, when she was asked for her comment. Her perplexed contorted face said it all. She thought the race was already in the bag for her. Rockefeller among others was behind her. She felt double crossed, and deflated at once. From then on through the weeks that followed, her confident countenance turned to spite, avoiding reporters every chance she could.

But then Obama won the Presidency to the cheers of the whole world. And surprise surprise, Clinton was appointed the 2nd most powerful post in the Office.

Obama was the new savior. To take the world out of the mess that the Bush Administration left behind, as so many thought. Even awarded the Nobel Peace Prize "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". This only 9 months after taking office. Meanwhile Nobel Prizes are normally awarded years after a person's accomplishments are tested. But this is Politics, World Politics. Influence is everything!

Well we have avoided a global economic and military Armageddon over the past four years. So it hasn't been as bad as the doom sayers expected. And 2012 at this point doesn't look like the end of the world anymore. But have you paid attention to the Executive Orders the President has been issuing? Some conspiracy theorists have been found to be exaggerating them, warning that Obama has quietly created the foundations for a full-blown police state. While there remains concerns, one thing is not in dispute. Obama has not overturned or withdrawn the Bush Administrations systemic erosion of the Constitution of the United States. Surprisingly Obama, a Constitutional law expert, has upheld the Bush Administrations policies.

Now we are connecting the dots. Have you noticed that Bill Clinton and Bush Sr. are like two peas in a pod, joined at the hip, supporting the same global aspirations?


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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:45 pm

mdonnall2002 wrote:This just in: [re: Colin Powell]

http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/10/colin-powell-endorses-obama.html

Do they ship doughnuts from Canada to Ohio? Smile
Oh well, not much of a surprise. As I said, we'll be seeing a lot of Topsy Turvy Flip-flopping during the PtB war of Fiefdoms.

I note that, both Obama and Hillary exhibit classic emotional symptoms of trauma based coercion. Many leaders are not doing what they want to do, but rather what they are forced to do.
Considering Colin's knowledge, he too would be subject to coercion.

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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:47 pm

Admin wrote:The difference between the Trilateral Commission and oathkeepers is that the TC is designed to destroy national sovereignty through consolidation of financial power and resources around the world in favor of a one world government and oathkeepers/OathKeepers believe in preserving national sovereignty through maintaining their Oath to the Constitution.
Right on!

And that's the rub. For this cause (and a few other concerns), there are organizational powers of influence that are backing Romney.

Including Billy Graham

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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:23 pm

Jake Reason wrote:
...... Obama has not overturned or withdrawn the Bush Administrations systemic erosion of the Constitution of the United States.

Connecting the dots...

Have you noticed that Bill Clinton and Bush Sr. are like two peas in a pod, joined at the hip, supporting the same global aspirations?
To wrap this up....

The Obama and Bush camps are financed and supported by the same PtB group. And Hillary is of course in her hubby's camp. Same again.

To the surprise of most everyone, the current POTUS is virtually a carry-on of the G.W. Bush POTUS. Little has changed, policy wise, other than different spokesmen. However Obama is demonstrably superior in charisma.

But none-the-less, the policies of diverting the masses from understanding what's really going on; Prevaricating about 9/11, Bin Laden, Afghan poppy seeds, Fukushima, Libya, etc, etc. And the systemic erosion of the Constitution of the United States, for your own protection, wink wink.

Same movie, same plot, only different co-stars. And the same PtB Directors.

But then enter stage left... Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Mitt Romney.

Mitt Who!? crowd laughs. A few in back applaud.

So what's Romney got that the other show hasn't?


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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:43 pm

Well it appears he doesn't have the U.S. Federal Reserve, nor the Trilateral Commission, the World Bank or the Gnomes of Zürich. Nor that he may have support of the British Powers, nor the Royal House of Saud.

So, should he throw in the towel?

Well that's not the 'Mormon way', to give up in the face of adversity. Nor is it 'the way' of competing PtB.

There are PtB who don't want a middle east war right now. And they don't like forced Population reductionist policies. They find this a tad immoral. And there are significant power brokers that don't want the U.S. to fall into a modern communist-style police state. Much to the grim of the money chipper want-a-bees. Nor do they want the U.S. to be 'program collapsed' and absorbed into a global socialistic New World Order.

Yes, it's fortunate that such moral people exist to resist these things. Even the Illuminists have competition.

Are these real concerns?, or only imaginations reserved for the fringe conspiracy theorists? Or is it the masses imagination that such diabolical evils do not exist in our world?

Could a Mormon President buy the world time, if these conspiracies are true? Could a Romney Administration divert these insidious plans?

Well the LaRouches and Billy Grahams of this world, seem to think him a good bet. These are significant socio-political players, with multi-generational global effect. If you're not sure who these groups are, check them out. Each one could individually sway 10's of millions of votes.

But that's not all. Romney has significant financial support as well. Remember, it costs $Billions to win the President's chair in the Oval Office. Who could these Influence Power Brokers be? And why do they invest?


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Post by Jake Reason on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:58 pm

When one is provided significant financial clout for their project (getting elected), they will always plug their benefactors. It's a way of saying thanks publicly, and also signals watchers to know whose behind them.

Both Romney and Obama have a couple/few major benefactors, and numerous smaller ones. And they plug them on the campaign trail. But in politics one can't outright name their major contributors, but rather subtly conceal them in their election platform promises.

Everyone became aware of one of Romney's main benefactors, when Obama famously spun it into one of the most brilliant punch-lines of the race, saying:
"...You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets!"

Hilarious as this is, it is also BINGO for those who may have wondered what power brokers are backing Romney. It highlights a $2 Trillion election promise to the builders of Naval Fleets.

What does this tell us? This division of the Military Industrial Complex represents a significant PtB group. But they are not the same group as the International Bankers who back Obama. They work together and use one another, but have different aims.

The Navy is unique. Just ask them, they'll proudly tell you how special they are. They are among the most loyal Keepers of their Oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

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I agree with this:
To wrap this up....

The Obama and Bush camps are financed and supported by the same PtB group. And Hillary is of course in her hubby's camp. Same again.

To the surprise of most everyone, the current POTUS is virtually a carry-on of the G.W. Bush POTUS. Little has changed, policy wise, other than different spokesmen. However Obama is demonstrably superior in charisma.

But none-the-less, the policies of diverting the masses from understanding what's really going on; Prevaricating about 9/11, Bin Laden, Afghan poppy seeds, Fukushima, Libya, etc, etc. And the systemic erosion of the Constitution of the United States, for your own protection, wink wink.

Same movie, same plot, only different co-stars. And the same PtB Directors.

But then enter stage left... Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Mitt Romney.

Mitt Who!? crowd laughs. A few in back applaud.

So what's Romney got that the other show hasn't?




Candidates visions differ on fleet size - WSJ.com :
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203406404578075070434508846.html


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What does this tell us? This division of the Military Industrial Complex represents a significant PtB group. But they are not the same group as the International Bankers who back Obama. They work together and use one another, but have different aims.

The Navy is unique. Just ask them, they'll proudly tell you how special they are. They are among the most loyal Keepers of their Oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

But that still isn't enough to get me to change my mind about not voting...I'm not interested in compromising further about the Constitution which is why many like myself will not be voting at all. Romney may not be Obama but he is not a retraction of the situation nor a sound money candidate. I'm part of the population who wants the system and its inhabitants cleaned up not temporarily diverted. That particular faction may be throwing in here to get Romney elected but they've stuck their nose in the air with regards to the patriot community and others who stand with the Constitution. They're proverbially going it alone. Maybe they'll be successful but no one is expecting any reversion to the Constitution if Romney gets the election. He's just another side to the same coin. So if he is different, THEY didn't sell the rest of us on it. And comments like 'well listen to what he says' doesn't count because candidates will say anything to get elected. Big whoop. Therefore, I'm neither a believer nor sold to that. And then there's the other little bit about many of us being so fed up with the election rigging that we don't even listen anymore. Shrug. Cy



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Post by Jake Reason on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:27 am

Jake Reason wrote:The Navy is unique. Just ask them, they'll proudly tell you how special they are. They are among the most loyal Keepers of their Oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

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Finally have some time to complete this...

The above is imo probably the biggest Ace Romney has to play. However he's doing it subtly. There is a connection to his faith, Mormonism.

The White Horse Prophecy. There are two parts to this prophecy. The first is a belief that the "White Horse" in the biblical prophecy book of Revelation (one of the four horseman) is referring to the Mormons. If you read that link, you'll find that Mormons today do not subscribe to this prophetic theory concerning them. It was believed in the 1,800s but it is no longer official Church Doctrine.

However the second part of the White Horse Prophecy is widely believed among Mormons. That concerning the United States Constitution. -

Brigham Young 1855: "When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the 'Mormon' Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it."

Orson Hyde 1858: wrote that Smith believed "the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and ... if the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of [the LDS] Church".

George Romney, President of American Motors, Governor of Michigan, and Father of Mitt Romney said in 1967 when asked about the White Horse Prophecy;

"I have always felt that they meant that sometime the question of whether we are going to proceed on the basis of the Constitution would arise and at this point government leaders who were Mormons would be involved in answering that question."

Because of this, there a number of prominent popular Christian leaders who are putting aside their concerns with the Mormon religion in favor of concerns over the erosion of the Constitution.

I haven't time to name and provide links to these Christian Leaders, but Google can help anyone who wishes to delve deeper into this.

There are other apologetic reasons that are providing Christians a motive to support Mitt Romney for President. The top being:
1. Both Mitt and his Catholic Running Mate are "pro-life".

2. And Mitt Romney is a strong supporter in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a women. And that the traditional family is the foundation of a nation.

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And so in consideration of these issues, it is not surprising that the Billy Graham Organization would not only drop their listing of Mormonism as a cult, but also publicly support voting Mitt Romney to be the next President of the United States.


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Admin wrote:But that still isn't enough to get me to change my mind about not voting...I'm not interested in compromising further about the Constitution which is why many like myself will not be voting at all. Romney may not be Obama but he is not a retraction of the situation nor a sound money candidate. I'm part of the population who wants the system and its inhabitants cleaned up not temporarily diverted. That particular faction may be throwing in here to get Romney elected but they've stuck their nose in the air with regards to the patriot community and others who stand with the Constitution. They're proverbially going it alone. Maybe they'll be successful but no one is expecting any reversion to the Constitution if Romney gets the election. He's just another side to the same coin. So if he is different, THEY didn't sell the rest of us on it. And comments like 'well listen to what he says' doesn't count because candidates will say anything to get elected. Big whoop. Therefore, I'm neither a believer nor sold to that. And then there's the other little bit about many of us being so fed up with the election rigging that we don't even listen anymore. Shrug. Cy

I hear you. Historically 'Silent Defiance' toward elections has been an effective modem of influence. Political analysts pay close attention to this.

I won't be voting either. But then I'm a Canadian Smile

However if I were American, I would have voted for Obama in 2008, and Romney in 2012.


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Well I have admit now hearing about their supporting him, and hearing this White Horse Prophecy wrt the Mormons, it now has my attention. I'm listening. But I still have to sit this one out...there's something else going on which I don't understand yet and it's a Synch thing to stay back. But if they really are trying for a rally around the guy, I won't diss it.

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Admin wrote:I'm listening. But I still have to sit this one out...there's something else going on which I don't understand yet and it's a Synch thing to stay back.
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In my earlier years I refrained from voting at all, until I realized I was being hypocritical in criticizing government political philosophies, while remaining mute at the polls. So now I quietly 'check the box' of what I see as the lessor evil. I empathize with your dilemma.

In America's case, I highly doubt Romney will win anyway. The PtB behind Obama are utterly ruthless as to the extent they will go to insure their puppet spokesman gets the job.

The recent brutal cold blooded murder of CNBC Executive Krim's 1 and 6 year old girls and their nanny, has scarred the bejebus out of all Media Execs around the world. And all he did was publish an article about the $43 Trillion law suit filed in New York against the Bankers. Of course he erased it from the News the next day. Now at least, he has one daughter and his wife left alive.

There is a window of opportunity for the Luciferian goal of enslaving the world, with a totalitarianism that has been inconceivable until this age. And they will stop at nothing to take full advantage of the situation. They know that if they can't succeed now, they will have to postpone until another generation has passed. This is the biggest game on earth and it has taken 6,000 years to get this close to fruition.

Back to the election.... if Romney's team is able to pull off a win, it will be expensive for Obama's team. And that will have ramifications. And if Romney is unable to gather sufficient family and self protection, he will not be able to reverse the erosion of the Constitution without significant personal sacrifice.

I see the next 4 years as your only hope of a restoration of your Constitution. If Obama wins, the signs in the sky say the levy will go dry. Either that, or a mutiny and civil war.

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Headline today from Israel

"Security chiefs refused order from PM in 2010 to prepare military to strike Iran within hours if necessary."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-and-barak-ordered-the-military-to-be-ready-within-hours-for-strike-on-iran-in-2010-but-security-chiefs-rebuffed-them-tv-report-says/


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Gen Clark:

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Jews in Iran?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-Bhl3TyDGBo&feature=endscreen


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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:16 pm

mdonnall2002 wrote:Headline today from Israel

"Security chiefs refused order from PM in 2010 to prepare military to strike Iran within hours if necessary."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-and-barak-ordered-the-military-to-be-ready-within-hours-for-strike-on-iran-in-2010-but-security-chiefs-rebuffed-them-tv-report-says/




and the question about who Colin Powell will endorse has been answered. Seen a t.v. comment from him today endorsing Obama...

but even more interesting in relation to it is two other commentaries out there...

first is from one Aaron O'Connell about the effort to bring the financial situation wrt the military above board and what Eisenhower said?

and second this: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/nov/2/support-kill-list-and-ndaa-make-obama-and-romney-u/

what gets me is the scattering of white-hats across every faction? I suppose I should be thankful they're finally speaking up at least.


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Post by Jake Reason on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:47 pm

Thanks for the links and videos, Mdonnall and Cy. I liked the Gen Clarke interview. Kudos for him to have the gutts.
And the Israel Security Chiefs,.. wow! I think the US has a few Generals and Admirals willing to do the same. Just a hunch. That's why I thought Colin Powell would switch back. He seemed very disenchanted at the way he was forced to command the war against Iraq.

And the Jews in Iran.... interesting how the Jewish Prime Minister in Israel wants to bomb Tehran without any regard to his own kind. There are Jews who know this, but it will never hit the News in Israel. Ever wonder why Lord Conrad Black went to jail in the US for six years? He owned the Jerusalem Post. But not anymore!


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Post by Bard on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:37 am

Anti-Zionist Jews for Palestine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLilgYMEXxw&feature=share NY Jews protest FOR Palestine

Their life - their way:

The anti-Zionist Jewish organisation Neturei karta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTmw9F9f-2c&feature=related Part 1 of 5


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Re: Politics, Religion and PtB Influence

Post by Bard on Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:00 pm

Palestine - becomes the 194th Nation-Tribe on Earth.

Look at how the world voted.

Only 9 NO votes.

http://en.avaaz.org/1170/see-who-voted-for-palestine


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