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meditation techniques

Post by solarsailor on Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:57 pm

well let's kick of this new section.

this is the meditation techniques. a follow up to the one on the prior OMF.

technique number one.

definition. what is meditation?

is it renting space and having classes?
not so fast. it is, in core, attuning to the true mind.

ahhh. the true mind. is there such a thing?

there may well be. surely it is not the simplest thing to know.

hence, technique. the strategy is to uncover this core genuine mind, and hopefully make it into something that serves rather than hinders.

where is the mind located? well it is the energy body, so really, it might be sourced in the hara area, the dantien. this seems most logical. from the energy nexus, the meridians emanate, the chakras and energy lines that course over the energy body and trace the pattern of the physical body.

mediation is the key to stilling the discursive so that the genuine might be rediscovered.

where does light come in?

light is energy. light is consciousness.

so light is the carrier of the meaning.

time for a break.


is sitting necessary?

most likely it is. sitting is what stops the senses from ruling the show. you decouple from the tyrrany of the sense input ... and ahhhh .... now you have a chance to breathe .... to observe.

and breathing and observing are the core functions of the meditative practice.

so you sit in the cross legged, with hands resting on lap or on knees, thumb touching index finger.

the first method is breathing. with observation you're able to see how the breath is not dependent on the discursive thinking. in time the monkey gives up and leaves. then you have found you.

this is one step to the genuine mind, the ally rather than the pest. it gets better as the technique becomes refined and done with rigor and discipline.

how long you sit in zazen is not important because the body will instinctively know when to get up. that is a major serendipity. you will know when you've done the job.

and when you do get up, it will be like - ok back to the carnival. you appreciate so much this blissful silence that you have been priviledged to.

because the world is a carnival, and the thinking is pulled this way and that way and soon you don't know what your own mind is doing. so this is the reason to meditate. to uncouple from the carnival. to find the foundation.

and light is a feature of the love that lies in wait in the grander scheme of things.


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Re: meditation techniques

Post by Admin on Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:19 pm

with regards to meditation what are your thoughts on "immediacy" being a constraint for expanded awareness?

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Re: meditation techniques

Post by solarsailor on Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:18 pm

Admin wrote:with regards to meditation what are your thoughts on "immediacy" being a constraint for expanded awareness?

hi bren ......................
not sure what you mean by immediacy but maybe you refer to circumstances and having to attend to duties.

well, apparently there is no competition for your time. having a meditation practice does not remove time from your schedule.

how could this be? well let's say you take 5 minutes to meditate, seated in lotus position (compared to some yogis who spend hours or days .... and you ask why would they do this, other than it is their job) ....

your sitting for 5 minutes allows you to observe yourself and watch how your time is used. same with sitting for 10 minutes, or 15. either way, you are observing, not participating in the drama of the world. but, in another sense you are participating on the mind level, by trying to unravel exactly what it is you're trying to do. exactly what your senses are getting you involved into.

I guess the idea is that you have the opportunity to ask - what could I have done the way I usually do it, in that 5 minutes (or hour) that would be better than doing this practice?

the interesting thing is the that the practice validates itself. it does not need to be justified to anyone, much like shopping validates that you needed some food and now you've got some...


so what kind of immediacy would constrain a practice? going to the bathroom?

well you don't need to put off the practice by doing that. you simply meditate while doing that function, even though your lotus position will have to require some dexterity.

I guess the main point is that your quest should be to observe the power trip aspect with amusement while always maintaining the quest for ideal character.

(I'm going to expand on this in a moment) (or soon)


on the subject of the Bible, I found more evidence that the book has been messed with pretty substantially as to some core meanings.

for example, Gen22 claims that "God" requested that this lurid crime be committed, whereas in the Torah, the word used is "Elohim" ..... quite a vastly different meaning. in other words, a demiurge / archon etc.

so why would the preachers of the land - and their parent orgs - decide to leave the word God in there, as though the source of infinity and balance would want to suddenly become its opposite and order a lurid crime?

does anyone know? is it conspiracy? is it to make the folks wary of trusting God? especially when placed at chapter 22 near the beginning of a big book that purports to be about God ..........

hmmmm .............. hmmmm ............


there's another interesting finding. apparently, Isaac the son of Abe was in his mid thirties when the event took place. and he was sitting around the house ... proverbially slouching ... not being much of the great prophecied lineage carrier as had been Abe's dream given to him by other mighty things.

so you'd think Abe had reason to agree so quick like? hmmmm ............ very curious indeed ... looks like quite the wake-up call there ..... hmmm ....

    "....... the 2 Jesuses, - the anti semetic firebrand opposing the Jews, and the soft shepherd of Judah with no interest in proselytizing gentiles , are completely irreconcilable.

    One is authentic, the other manufactured.

    There can be little doubt that the Pauline editors changed the story, erasing Rabbi Jesus and inventing Jesus the anti- semite to substantiate their claim that Jesus came to replace Judaism .....

    Jesus's opposition of his people was a tragic and malevolent fabrication that later justified Roman antipathy towards Judaism for rejecting Christianity ..."

(from Kosher Jesus by Shmuley Boteach , page 136)
(also Matt 10:5-6)

looks like a lot of religion, plus the books of religion, get used and flavored to suit the objectives of the various "interests" at work ..... hmmmm ........


this story at Genesis 22 is called "the binding" or "Akedah" to Jewish scholars. many interpretations exist.

(interestingly ... The Latin word (religare) from which the English word "religion" is derived means "to bind ...")

1) the first lesson on good friday in the church of england is the Akedah. in the catholic service the story of Gen22 is recited on the holy saturday.

2) Bruce Fieler claims that the request (by Elohim) was to make an offering, a symbolic act, not a ritual execution. (Abraham, page 87)

according to Swedenborg .............

    ... The statement that God tested is according to the literal meaning, in which tests/temptations are attributed to God along with many other things. But according to the inner meaning God never tests. He is constantly freeing us from temptations whenever it is possible, or whenever that freeing would not do us harm. He is constantly focusing on the good into which he is leading the person being tempted. This is the only sense in which God concurs with temptations; and even though it is said that he allows them, this is not according to the concept we have of permission ... that the one who gives permission also wants to. Rather, it is the evil we do that leads us into temptation. Its cause is never in God ...

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Re: meditation techniques

Post by solarsailor on Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:33 pm

meditation ideally should be about a "shift".

the shift is from a messy confusion, to a clear coherent set of purposes.

let's imagine that you teach a 5 year old child (or an adult) how to meditate, if only for 5 minutes at a time.

will the situation improve for such a child? or the adult? I'd say it would. it would change from being a robotic "Reactor", to more like a considering co-creator.


by saying this I'm imagining what it might have been like to have been taught how to mediate at the age of 5.

I'm thinking of what kind of differences it might have made.
clearly, having been taught mostly through beliefs and language does not empower in certain ways quite the same.

there's a lot of ways to look back and imagine some changes that would have changed things for the better. of course you have to do this in imagination, but the process is interesting.

(I'm going to expand on that a bit later ...)


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Re: meditation techniques

Post by Cyrellys on Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:53 am

Hi Solarsailor

That was me who asked the question under Admin. Bren has not returned yet. I'm surrogate shepard for OMF along with a few others - JakeReason and Animal2012.

Anyway back to the question. I've been meditating since before I was five. In the advanced mind states I've used I moved beyond needing to sit to initiate it years ago. I can disconnect while doing menial tasks quite easily especially if it is a repetative task that doesn't require any thinking i.e. washing dishes or folding laundry.

My question about "immediacy" refers to information that can flood into the receptive observing part of the mind during the altered state of mind in meditation. Some information from the complex matrice within which Synchronicity operates carries a high rate of immediacy that demands attention and tracing. While it doesn't interfere with the meditative state it does take up resources immersing in the multi-dimensional web of patterns surrounding said information. There is in the expanded awareness a juxtaposition of knowing both broader and in greater detail at the same time which after the influx the subconscious mind processes for a few hours before the non-meditative mind later can adequately react to.

Basically what I'm asking is expansion beyond the state that allows "kenning" which is an old term meaning "knowing" which is what I attempted to describe above..."kenning" is a more complex version of observation than simple "remote viewing", does the "immediacy" generated by the avatar of Synchronicity, that sometimes accompanies "kenning" constrain further expansion in awareness?

This stage of mind state is already highly versitile. For instance not only the capacity to observe self, observe the mental state itself, observe the environment, receptive and observative of "kenning", but also capable of juxtaposing consciousness states of being...by which I mean if you use this state while sitting on a tree branch in the woods you can 'adjust' your consciousness to 'be' the pattern of the tree branch and thus blend in from the perspective of any passerby who has not yet registered your presence as a person. I use this example to illustrate the mind/consciousness state involved as I'm not well versed with written literature on the subject to explain my question more clearly.


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