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The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Admin on Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:29 pm

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Hi ScarZ,

Thank you for posting this information. Does any of David Flynn's material give any idea to the time-frames for the early events or historical figures that his research indicated?


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Post by Cyrellys on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:33 am

Hi ECU,

The guys are correct in what they have described for you.  I will confirm you are welcome to discuss any topic of your choosing here at OMF.  You may start your own threads and even your own blog if you like.  You will never hear me say you cannot discuss controversial topics like the issues with msm, or 9-11 truth, or anything else.  You are not limited to strictly ufo or paranormal related topics here.

Basically if I have done my job well, then each member no matter their takes on the universe or their personal truths, should be able to find their own niche here or create one to suit and it should be as comfortable for them as their own home.

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Post by Jake Reason on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:41 am

Ecu_365 wrote:
MD02 wrote:  The better question would be, from watching is what do you think its 'Agenda' is?

I lurked at the old OMF a few years ago. I was not a contributor - nor was I a sock. I was observing a few different UFO forums which all seemed to implode about the same time - from what I discerned to be manufactured drama from the same source. Therefore, I am a bit skeptical about what the overall agenda of the UFO/conspiracy community is.  
My first impulse was "That is a fascinating question".  Upon considering an answer however, I found there to be dozens of potential correct answers.  Perhaps the question is inadequate?

Like pondering what is the overall agenda of the French People.  We Canadians ponder it often, as we have a Province where half the people want to break away from Canada and create a new country.  But one could not say, there is an overall agenda of the French People.

The UFO/conspiracy community is comprised of numerous communities with different focus, interest and and intents.  As the UFO Paradigm encompasses every subject under the sun.

There is also the observer phenomena.  Whereas the observer's personal agenda acts as a lens that tends to focus the observer toward aspects of a community construct that may accommodate their own agenda in one aspect or another.  Thus they see and find what they were seeking.  Even though many other agendas were present that were not readily noticed by the observer.

Ecu, you have framed your query in this way.  By combining - forum imploding (contentions), 'manufactured drama', 'same source', you are framing the context of your query.  You have also prefixed your query with pre-defined conclusions, which would require any Answer to be framed within a context that presume your observational pre-suppositions are correct.

Therefore the query is more prone to prompt a debate than an answer.

Certainly one of the top "overall agenda" of the UFO/conspiracy community at large would be to Search for and discover truth.  Another top agenda would be - to pursue answers to who we are, where we came from and where are we going.  Another top agenda that motivates numerous people - to find out who and what is messing up our world as we perceive it, and how and why.

This community can and does provide many answers to these queries.

But perhaps neither of these would answer your question.  What do you think, Ecu?


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Post by Bard on Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:20 am

14 14 google search

I don't even know which was is up anymore. My apologies to everyone.


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Post by Cyrellys on Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:41 pm

Hey Bard the 14+14 thing I think was a reference to the cultural habits of the "illumined" ones (aka illuminati) who for some reason seem to have a penchant for doing things via number symbology. At least the ones tending toward the practice of satanism seem to have a requirement to broadcast what they do before they do it and there is usually some sort of numerology pattern involved. I know of this number correlation thing generally speaking but I don't know how it work well enough to explain it. I noted the reference to...reminded me of someone checking a cash back count on their fingers to see if it was accurate? I don't know. Maybe a misinterpretation on my part? I do know I've seen guys from the Christian fundamentalist traditions on some of the militia gather boards do that sort of thing and mention it from time to time with events for that sort of reason. I don't get it so I don't bother seeking that kind of correlation.


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Post by Nib on Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:09 pm

Cyrellys wrote:Hey Bard the 14+14 thing I think was a reference to the cultural habits of the "illumined" ones (aka illuminati) who for some reason seem to have a penchant for doing things via number symbology.


or if you put any set of numbers into Google such as:  15 12

John 15:12
New International Version (NIV)
12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.


or   12 6  = @ google

Romans 12:6-8
New International Version (NIV)
6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a] faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead,[b] do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

or  scarz favorite....     6 4

Romans 6:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

and so you see - it is interesting that no matter the #'s ~~~  scripture comes up on the first page.  


but 14 14

Exodus 14:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.”

means that you have a whole lot more #'s to put in that Google search..  Very Happy
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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by ScaRZ on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:00 am

Hey Nib,this is something you might find of interest. You and I both followed much of David Flynn's work. This video is an extension of the late David Flynn's work on the line 33.3 degree latitude where the sons of God first descended from heaven to earth at Mt Hermon.

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Post by ScaRZ on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:15 am

I listened to this yesterday and thought Peter Goodgame and Doug Hamp hit on a lot of areas related to The Antichrist and Babylon. I could tell Peter was in the zone by the way he was clicking along with his responses. Peter had much to say in only an hours time.

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http://smashedmedia.us/bruce/011614-according-to-the-scriptures-with-doug-hamp/


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Post by Jake Reason on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:11 am

touché Nib!  I hear you. And thoughtfully done.

Immanentizing (regardless of reason or faith) really ruffles my feathers, as when the Son weeps so do I.  That is why I was stern.  Sorry for not being more gentle.

May I explain more ...

The desire to implement a policy to actualize the Apocalypse (for whatever reason) is Anti-Christ philosophy.

And it is written that a vision was seen in Heaven during the last days, where a great multitude that no one can number, dressed in long white robes stood before the Lamb.....

Rev:6:9-10  When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

As you can see.... they are not cheering on the Great Tribulation.  They are your kin.  You may even be among them.

We need be careful in our theology on how we approach the end-times.



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Post by Jake Reason on Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:51 am

Cyrellys wrote:Hey Bard the 14+14 thing I think was a reference to the cultural habits of the "illumined" ones (aka illuminati) who for some reason seem to have a penchant for doing things via number symbology.  At least the ones tending toward the practice of satanism seem to have a requirement to broadcast what they do before they do it and there is usually some sort of numerology pattern involved.
Yes!

However I have only studied the surface of it all and can not say exactly what is meant by the number.

These are occult practices.  They are in the realm of Sorcery.  To manifest a action/force that acts in many ways as a physical force. (example: a psychological wall has the same empowerment of a physical wall).  Demarcation is another form of manifest.  And when occult numerology is employed, it can act to manifest a marking of time/space with a similar empowerment of an actual physical event.  Demarcation/Sorcery.  A "time stamp" is a mark on time/space.  It becomes metaphysically real.

And so by selecting a target date in occult science, they are "time stamping" a metaphysical reality.  And therefore because it has been made real, it therefore exists in time/space = cosmos = part of creation.  

Additionally, in occult practice "permission" is required.  Yes, even Lucifer and Satan must act within the laws.  And a numerology/occult/sorcery - "time/date" has taken on a justification to exist.  Because G-d can not deny that which is part of his creation.

This does not mean G-d is blessing it.  The Creator G-d is impartial to that which takes place in creation within the laws of creation/cosmos.  Acts 10:34 - "G-d is no respecter of persons".    = Free Will sustained = a form of permission.  "Time stamped" so that it can not be denied to rightfully exist.

Occultists believe this form of sorcery empowers their acts to more likely occur.

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Now having said that, I did not label this story "1/14/14" for numerology reasons.  I simply looked at one of the articles and I noticed the date.  It struck me as an interesting number and so I did a simple numerology math reduction.....

14 reduces this way... 1+4=5  (reduces it to 1 number).

1 + (1=4=5) + (1+4=5)

1+5+5=11

and I stopped reducing there, as 11 happens to be a Master Number!

I highly suspect this is not a coinkidink.  And so I thought it should be noted.

Why?

Because it is the first time that Messianism has been reported and confirmed as a major pro-policy concern of USA's peace planning with Israel.

And the man who voiced it was not only the Secretary of State of the USA (highest authority on US policy) but a member of a most unusually important fraternity while a student in University.

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Jake Reason wrote:
Cyrellys wrote:Hey Bard the 14+14 thing I think was a reference to the cultural habits of the "illumined" ones (aka illuminati) who for some reason seem to have a penchant for doing things via number symbology.  At least the ones tending toward the practice of satanism seem to have a requirement to broadcast what they do before they do it and there is usually some sort of numerology pattern involved.
Yes!

However I have only studied the surface of it all and can not say exactly what is meant by the number.

These are occult practices.  They are in the realm of Sorcery.  To manifest a action/force that acts in many ways as a physical force. (example: a psychological wall has the same empowerment of a physical wall).  Demarcation is another form of manifest.  And when occult numerology is employed, it can act to manifest a marking of time/space with a similar empowerment of an actual physical event.  Demarcation/Sorcery.  A "time stamp" is a mark on time/space.  It becomes metaphysically real.

And so by selecting a target date in occult science, they are "time stamping" a metaphysical reality.  And therefore because it has been made real, it therefore exists in time/space = cosmos = part of creation.  

Additionally, in occult practice "permission" is required.  Yes, even Lucifer and Satan must act within the laws.  And a numerology/occult/sorcery - "time/date" has taken on a justification to exist.  Because G-d can not deny that which is part of his creation.

This does not mean G-d is blessing it.  The Creator G-d is impartial to that which takes place in creation within the laws of creation/cosmos.  Acts 10:34 - "G-d is no respecter of persons".    = Free Will sustained = a form of permission.  "Time stamped" so that it can not be denied to rightfully exist.

Occultists believe this form of sorcery empowers their acts to more likely occur.

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Now having said that, I did not label this story "1/14/14" for numerology reasons.  I simply looked at one of the articles and I noticed the date.  It struck me as an interesting number and so I did a simple numerology math reduction.....

14 reduces this way... 1+4=5  (reduces it to 1 number).

1 + (1=4=5) + (1+4=5)

1+5+5=11

and I stopped reducing there, as 11 happens to be a Master Number!

I highly suspect this is not a coinkidink.  And so I thought it should be noted.

Why?

Because it is the first time that Messianism has been reported and confirmed as a major pro-policy concern of USA's peace planning with Israel.

And the man who voiced it was not only the Secretary of State of the USA (highest authority on US policy) but a member of a most unusually important fraternity while a student in University.

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Exactly! All of it.

Just remember however, Source is on the move as well. And after watching all the interplay, I'm thinking we are looking at a dialog with comments and response going on.

Remember a message went out to the PtB: "you are not allowed to reduce the population using weapons of mass destruction." Which is something the ptb have been actively trying to do and internal oathkeepers have been scrambling constantly to stop. And any message takes time in a complex system of layers to filter through to the intended party. Does this mean (including the notation of confusing behavior which Israel broadcasted) that the message finally hit home in some way?

And on the timestamping, setting metaphysical demarcations, the occultists are not the only ones who do that. It is also done in psychic process and I have personally caught Source through Synch doing it. Is this part of the mechanics on that level which DS likes to theorize about? Compare again: Mind is not limited by time, space, or place. But for Bri or Bau (energy forms) to be programmed you define it, define its purpose/intent, and define its outcome. Numerology is like wicca is to psychic acts. It is symbolic ritualism. An adept psychic has no need or use for ritualism and religion. But if a ritualistic people are involved in what is being discussed, a party who wishes to be effective in communication will speak the language of whoever is perceived to be the other. Hense if a message is meant to be profound then the language which is profound to the intended recipient might be used.

Now who made the first punch? And who were the responders? And in what way?

ET
Hellyer
whatdoesitmean.com
iran/FARS
israel
washington post
Bassett
2 appearing patriot sites
or the highest authority on US policy?

and how about peripheral seemingly unrelated events that could be construed as participation in the dialog linked through the observers?

What was the sequence? Date/time Anyone care to post it?

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British Museum: Prototype for Noah's Ark was round


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Post by Jake Reason on Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:22 pm

http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t175p270-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2#4943

dan wrote:Gary,

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And here is what I've learned from my years with GFC/SfA.......

Armageddon draws nigh.  It is presaged by the cauldron of postmodernism.  There are two possibilities.......

1.)  Physical Armageddon, or

2.)  Metaphysical Armageddon.  

And I'm Mid-trib wrt #2...... and the only one who can pull that off is X2.  No?  Yes, no!  Technically speaking, I am pre-trib wrt #2.  #2 will not be fully engaged until the anti-X makes the scene, who then turns out to be the X2, just the reverse of what the fundies are expecting, bless their hearts.  

No, we need to be more specific.  Fundies believe......

1.)  that the anti-X precipitates the Armageddon, and

2.)  only after that does the X2 appear.  

This sequence, however, turns out to have been a Bait&Switch.  This will then be understood as the greatest magic trick of all time.  And, yes, it will crucially involve MAJIC.  

No?  Tell me where I'm wrong.  


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Ok, so now we understand why Ron chose Lucien for LotP, tomorrow......[The guest will be Lucien Greaves of The Satanic Temple, recently in the news for having organized a satanic rite at the Westboro Baptist Church (godhatesfags.com) of Topeka. Here is an earlier interview.....
http://www.vice.com/read/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple

Clearly, one could view the rite performed in Topeka as a (reverse?) exorcism. This would characterize my view of the possibly positive role of TST, wrt society at large
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The Satanists worship the anti-X.  Nay, they hope to make straight the way for the coming of the anti-X, who, even according to their own sub-texts, will turn out to be the X2.  It's just that simple, sports fans.  

Ok, so let me spell this out.......

The predecessor of (postmodern) Satanism was Gnosticism who worshipped the Serpent in the Garden.....
The serpent replied that she would not surely die and that if she eats the fruit of the tree "then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
Hmmm........

So who was proven right, God or the Serpent?  

They both were, each in their own way.  But, yes, don't play with fire, and do beware of gifts from strangers.  

Also KIM that the next most important representations of the serpent are in the Caduceus and as the Ouroboros > CTC > SWH > BPWH.  


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dan wrote:

 Fundies believe......

1.)  that the anti-X precipitates the Armageddon, and

2.)  only after that does the X2 appear.  


The kings of the earth and their forces will be gathered......."Armageddon" is their gathering spot.

The three unclean spirits through working miracles influence the kings of the earth and their armies to assemble at this place called Armageddon and fight The Lord Jesus Christ as he returns to this earth.

This event will not be stopped,it will be fulfilled. It's about taking back the earth from dark forces. It's called the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


You speak of Gnosticism Dan. Gnosticism is really nothing more than "Watcher Theology".
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Post by Cyrellys on Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:37 am

ScaRZ said:  This event will not be stopped....


FEMA
Solicitation Number:
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Notice Type:
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a. This is a solicitation for a single indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract to obtain evacuation planning and operational support to facilitate a motor coach evacuation of the general population in response to Presidential-Declared Emergencies and Major Disasters within the continental United States.


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Post by Cyrellys on Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:23 am

Speaking of that FEMA solicitation....

On Dan's thread today:

Cy wrote:I seen one of the christian blogs note that omen about crows and seagulls attacking the vatican's doves on Monday.  Interesting that the Washington Post picks it up and relays it again.  Sort of like with what happened to FARS news commentary on whatdoesitmean.com's publishing of the original material declaring US Policy is influenced by extraterrestrial contact, and that nazism is deeply involved - gets picked up by Washington Post and parroted/commented on again; like groups having a long distance telephone call on a party line.  

Then Bassett swoops in and declares we should hunt down and shut down whatdoesitmean.com in that other event - will Bassett swoop in and do the same on the doves story?  Will he cheer on doves, or crows, or seagulls?  Because after all despite the fact that whistleblowing is a violation of national security and he makes an exception for Disclosure, will he then say for or against any of the other factions?

Washington Post = state dept under the table statements?  Maybe?

Nazis being adept bureaucrats and all....what was that Joseph Farrell noted about the post-war nazis having a bone to pick with the US, and their 'educating' of the muslims with their old documents.  


Take a close look at what company hires for the NSA et al surveillance grid personnel....what was their WWII connections? (Booz-Allen, Carlisle)  Oh, was that Nazi you say?


Now why would they need to be listening in on all convos?  Recording everything?  Even the German Chancellors dialogs and the average person?


And what's up with the Ukranians?  Who's benefiting there?  Or going to benefit?


Meanwhile FEMA is soliciting again:


Solicitation Number:
HSFE90-13-R-0013
Notice Type:
Solicitation
a. This is a solicitation for a single indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract to obtain evacuation planning and operational support to facilitate a motor coach evacuation of the general population in response to Presidential-Declared Emergencies and Major Disasters within the continental United States.

And while I'm thinking about it, Obama's old mentor Bill Ayer's has a biographical query in the headlines about his 're-education camps'....

Other than that, in the wake of Obama's purges in the military, the Bush/Obama buddy Tester of Montana is backing nuclear forces review because "I think it's the right thing to do.  Let's get it figured out."  And no one needs to be too concerned because Tester is confident it won't impact the future of Malmstrom AFB.

I wonder if Tester was on the memo recipients list from ET, that the ptb are not allowed to use weapons of mass destruction to depopulate?  Probably not, but then it's doubtful anyone would present the std litmus test to him about if he would fire a weapon on unarmed civilians if so ordered...him being a Senator and all, he doesn't get his hands that dirty.

I just come from making my monthly Toastmasters speech laying this stuff out for the local intellectuals & political/business leaders.  And to illustrate my layout I almost attended wearing my barn clothes.  They've been rightly concerned lately about the people's "consent to govern."  So if I'd worn my barn clothes I could have said in my speech that the whole paradigm was dirty and really stinky.  But I didn't because I gave them the credit due that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that part out.

And I was right.  They were already there.

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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Cyrellys on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:36 pm

Cy wrote:Re: Uncommon Thoughts on Common Things - Cyrellys
 Today at 11:42 am by Cyrellys (Online)

Well, during homeschool today I have been assaulted by teenage discoveries in "your mama" quips from the internet including ones like this:

Your mama is so fat, that when she went swimming out in the Pacific ocean a group of whales came swimming along singing we-are-family! even though you're bigger than me!!!

Your mama is so fat, that when she went swimming in the Atlantic ocean and Spain claimed her as a new world.

And then there were a series of similar ones that exceed re-publishing discretion and decency.

MEANWHILE

Putin is reported as slamming 'morally bankrupt America who is godless now'.

 http://patdollard.com/2014/01/putin-slams-morally-bankrupt-america-whos-godless-now/


Whelp there is nothing sane nor sacred these days.  Maybe. 

But then Putin is still focused on the recent policy topic (01-14-14 ?):

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”

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compare to the list of events provided in date order within my speech here:  http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t158p330-uncommon-thoughts-on-common-things-cyrellys#4975

as well as to several subsequent events where I've tracked the dialog on the 'policy announcement'.

QUOTE:

As part of this defense of “Christian values,” Russia has adopted a law banning “homosexual propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to “insult” the religious sensibilities of believers.

The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscow’s largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Church’s support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the group’s “demonic” protest was funded by “some Americans.”

Mr. Putin’s views of the West were echoed this month by Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow, the leader of the Orthodox Church, who accused Western countries of engaging in the “spiritual disarmament” of their people.

END QUOTE  Source:  http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2014/01/putin-slams-morally-bankrupt-america-whos-godless-now-2798146.html


BACKSTORY:  One of the things Russia has been criticized about (topic russian troops in America for martial law scenario - pre staged here) is that Russia is believed to have ulterior conquest motives and be morally bankrupt because they are led by a former KGB agent - this is per comments from talking heads in the patriot community who swear if a martial law scenario occurs here and Russian troops emerge from the places they've been identified as hiding in, that Russia will not be getting those bodies back, not even in body bags.  But much of the patriot community has not been doing what I've been doing which is tracking the extraterrestrial wild card in the mix and the 01-14-14 events/dialogs in the back channels.  

Looking at that article put out by pat dollard and the comments by Putin, it seems to me that those taken along side of a recent letter to America is designed to communicate something to the conservatives, patriots, christians, libertarians, constitutionalists et al in America.  A stance he has taken.  Putin never seems to be someone who goofs around.  So if he publicly takes a stance there's a reason behind it.

He's communicating being a supporter of traditionalist, principled values that are uniform to our conservative constitutional patriotic values.  He's recommending to the world sticking to those values.  Is this a response to the accusations leveled at him and his nation for the presence of Russian troops?  Are we looking at a possible meeting on the proverbial battlefield of ideas something akin to the Irish turning and shaking hands with the hero of the tale of Braveheart of Scotland?

The answer to that may be in who controls the troops stationed here in the US.  Is it the globals or is it Putin?  The hard part in answering that question however is that someone outside of those in the American liberty movement who know of them, would have to first admit they are here.

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Post by ScaRZ on Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:56 am

As I've said many times before,"I look for events to play out much differently than how most are seeing it today."

If the words or teachings become too popular then be very watchful, it could turn out to be nothing more than "Fools Gold."

Always keep in mind,"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" .........Here we see once again that the broad way (Most traveled or most popular way)........leads to destruction.

As the revelation continues,it will increase in swiftness until the final outcome. Faith in the Word of God will drop off more and more. A revealing will take place at the right time and the right place.

A small remnant will not be asleep in their minds and will not be deceived because they are children of the day. The vast majority are childern of the night and they sleep in their minds.

1Thessalonians 5:4-6

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.



True believers will be nothing more than outcast looked upon as fools who believe in nonsense. The birth pains will intensify as time draws near for the gathering of forces.

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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Bard on Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:47 pm

ScaRZ wrote:

Always keep in mind,"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" .........Here we see once again that the broad way (Most traveled or most popular way)........leads to destruction.

Where exactly is the narrow gate or for that matter - what does it look like?  Some who walk alone in their quest towards God, are always being suggested to, that they are not on the narrow path.  Who defines the narrow path? Men? Christians? Pastors? Who has the authority to claim they 'know' the narrow way or does God naturally have that function?

Does God speak to us all in the same manner? Are all our walks the same?

If perse one Billion Christians, profess to Christ and the Father in prayer, how many are on the narrow way? All? Some? Few? Is it all of them vs a world that does not?  

What exactly is the 'most popular way'? How do you define this?

Should we return to the days of stoning as punishments for gathering sticks on Sabbath as Moses did - or did Christ bring us something more to consider – something far greater?  

Questions, normally unacceptable within church walls, asked here, should naturally be asked.


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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by ScaRZ on Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:36 pm

Bard wrote:

Where exactly is the narrow gate or for that matter - what does it look like?  Some who walk alone in their quest towards God, are always being suggested to, that they are not on the narrow path.  Who defines the narrow path? Men? Christians? Pastors? Who has the authority to claim they 'know' the narrow way or does God naturally have that function?

Does God speak to us all in the same manner? Are all our walks the same?

If perse one Billion Christians, profess to Christ and the Father in prayer, how many are on the narrow way? All? Some? Few? Is it all of them vs a world that does not?  

What exactly is the 'most popular way'? How do you define this?

Should we return to the days of stoning as punishments for gathering sticks on Sabbath as Moses did - or did Christ bring us something more to consider – something far greater?  

Questions, normally unacceptable within church walls, asked here, should naturally be asked.

The words were from Jesus Christ. A great teaching from The Lord that I believe show those "Of The World" and those who are "Not Of The World". It's all about the childern of darkness......."Those of the night" and the childern of the light........"Those of the day".

As Jesus Christ said........"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."(Matthew 7:14) Jesus Christ is teaching using prophecy of how only a few will receive the gift of eternal life. Remember Jesus Christ is The Way..........."He is the Narrow". The vast majority take the "Broad" way that is not Jesus Christ and it leads away from eternal life and ends with destruction. The Adversary is the Broad......."The Destroyer".

I used the term "The Most Popular" because I believe it fits very well in our thinking of today. It is suited to the means of the majority or widely accepted.
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Post by Bard on Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:48 pm

ScaRZ wrote:
The words were from Jesus Christ. A great teaching from The Lord that I believe show those "Of The World" and those who are "Not Of The World". It's all about the childern of darkness......."Those of the night" and the childern of the light........"Those of the day".

As Jesus Christ said........"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."(Matthew 7:14) Jesus Christ is teaching using prophecy of how only a few will receive the gift of eternal life. Remember Jesus Christ is The Way..........."He is the Narrow". The vast majority take the "Broad" way that is not Jesus Christ and it leads away from eternal life and ends with destruction. The Adversary is the Broad......."The Destroyer".

I used the term "The Most Popular" because I believe it fits very well in our thinking of today. It is suited to the means of the majority or widely accepted.

Thinking internally:

So, only those who profess to be Christian, are on the Narrow way? All Christians despite the actions they take through life? Wearing one face - but presenting another? Are they also the narrow-walkers?  

Theologically speaking, we know that as long as you ask for forgiveness for that action, you will be absolved, but what if it is chronic? Two cheek limits?

If a holy-man, peeks through your windows day/night, with a pseudo-omnipotence, technologically speaking, does this take them further or closer to the narrow-way?

Did Jesus promote the practice of temple spies in the name of the Lord and or the Father?  I honestly need to find an answer to that one question.

A verse, anyone?

What of those who kill in His name or for His name?

I wonder if the Snow-Down affairs and how light moves through Prisms may have been inspired.  If it were - hypothetically speaking, what would covering it up amount to?  Of course there is no real way of knowing for sure so that does provide some insulation to those in charge of its refractory nature.

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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

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Bard wrote:

So, only those who profess to be Christian, are on the Narrow way? All Christians despite the actions they take through life? Wearing one face - but presenting another? Are they also the narrow-walkers?

ScaRZ wrote:
People can profess anything but does that make it so?......"No it doesn't". A person must truly be "In Jesus Christ". Lip service isn't worth much,it's about bearing good fruit. No Christian however is perfect,we do all fall short......"We do sin,we are hard headed,we don't listen,we act before we think,we rebel". Just like human parents needing to chastise their childern so to does The Father need to chastise his childern at times. Sometimes we stray and need only a good firm yank to get us back in line facing the right direction. Many times it takes more than a good firm yank.
 

Theologically speaking, we know that as long as you ask for forgiveness for that action, you will be absolved, but what if it is chronic? Two cheek limits?

ScaRZ wrote:I believe anyone can stray too far and not care of returning too The Lord. I believe The Lord will never leave or foresake me but I believe I can leave and foresake him. I believe a Christian can "Fall Away". Apostasy isn't apostasy if one can not choose abandonment.


If a holy-man, peeks through your windows day/night, with a pseudo-omnipotence, technologically speaking, does this take them further or closer to the narrow-way?

ScaRZ wrote:If he isn't genuine he is already far from The Narrow.


Did Jesus promote the practice of temple spies in the name of the Lord and or the Father?  I honestly need to find an answer to that one question.

ScaRZ wrote:Lay it out more clearly in words....."Explain in greater detail what you are referring to."




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Just curious if Jesus condoned, spoke about, or discussed spies.

How would he view them?


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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Nib on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:27 pm

Bard wrote:Just curious if Jesus condoned, spoke about, or discussed spies.

How would he view them?

Dude- where are you going with this?


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Jude 1:4 ESV / 6 helpful votes

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Ecclesiastes 10:20 ESV / 5 helpful votes

Even in your thoughts, do not curse the king, nor in your bedroom curse the rich, for a bird of the air will carry your voice, or some winged creature tell the matter.

2 Peter 2:1-22 ESV / 4 helpful votes

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

1 Timothy 4:3 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

John 12:48 ESV / 3 helpful votes

The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Joshua 7:1-26 ESV / 3 helpful votes

But the people of Israel broke faith in regard to the devoted things, for Achan the son of Carmi, son of Zabdi, son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, took some of the devoted things. And the anger of the Lord burned against the people of Israel. Joshua sent men from Jericho to Ai, which is near Beth-aven, east of Bethel, and said to them, “Go up and spy out the land.” And the men went up and spied out Ai. And they returned to Joshua and said to him, “Do not have all the people go up, but let about two or three thousand men go up and attack Ai. Do not make the whole people toil up there, for they are few.” So about 3,000 men went up there from the people. And they fled before the men of Ai, and the men of Ai killed about thirty-six of their men and chased them before the gate as far as Shebarim and struck them at the descent. And the hearts of the people melted and became as water.

Jude 1:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

Hebrews 4:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Ephesians 6:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

For anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Ephesians 5:1-6:24 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

John 14:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 8:31 ESV / 2 helpful votes

So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,

John 3:36 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Luke 6:46 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

Mark 13:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

Mark 10:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes

But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.

Mark 7:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes

In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Matthew 18:16 ESV / 2 helpful votes

But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.

Matthew 16:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 7:17-27 ESV / 2 helpful votes

So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Ezekiel 3:17 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me.

Jeremiah 26:2 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“Thus says the Lord: Stand in the court of the Lord's house, and speak to all the cities of Judah that come to worship in the house of the Lord all the words that I command you to speak to them; do not hold back a word.

Jeremiah 23:29 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?

Proverbs 3:5-6 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

Psalm 146:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.

Psalm 100:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Know that the Lord, he is God! It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Psalm 97:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes

O you who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the lives of his saints; he delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Psalm 91:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.

Psalm 50:15 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.”

Psalm 28:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes

The Lord is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him.

Psalm 14:1 ESV / 2 helpful votes

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

Psalm 11:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes

If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?”

1 Kings 18:28 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their custom with swords and lances, until the blood gushed out upon them.

Joshua 6:17 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she hid the messengers whom we sent.

Joshua 6:1-27 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Now Jericho was shut up inside and outside because of the people of Israel. None went out, and none came in. And the Lord said to Joshua, “See, I have given Jericho into your hand, with its king and mighty men of valor. You shall march around the city, all the men of war going around the city once. Thus shall you do for six days. Seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark. On the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. And when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, when you hear the sound of the trumpet, then all the people shall shout with a great shout, and the wall of the city will fall down flat, and the people shall go up, everyone straight before him.”

Joshua 5:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the Lord. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?”

Joshua 5:1-15 ESV / 2 helpful votes

As soon as all the kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan to the west, and all the kings of the Canaanites who were by the sea, heard that the Lord had dried up the waters of the Jordan for the people of Israel until they had crossed over, their hearts melted and there was no longer any spirit in them because of the people of Israel. At that time the Lord said to Joshua, “Make flint knives and circumcise the sons of Israel a second time.” So Joshua made flint knives and circumcised the sons of Israel at Gibeath-haaraloth. And this is the reason why Joshua circumcised them: all the males of the people who came out of Egypt, all the men of war, had died in the wilderness on the way after they had come out of Egypt. Though all the people who came out had been circumcised, yet all the people who were born on the way in the wilderness after they had come out of Egypt had not been circumcised.

Joshua 4:1-24 ESV / 2 helpful votes

When all the nation had finished passing over the Jordan, the Lord said to Joshua, “Take twelve men from the people, from each tribe a man, and command them, saying, ‘Take twelve stones from here out of the midst of the Jordan, from the very place where the priests' feet stood firmly, and bring them over with you and lay them down in the place where you lodge tonight.’” Then Joshua called the twelve men from the people of Israel, whom he had appointed, a man from each tribe. And Joshua said to them, “Pass on before the ark of the Lord your God into the midst of the Jordan, and take up each of you a stone upon his shoulder, according to the number of the tribes of the people of Israel,

Deuteronomy 4:2 ESV / 2 helpful votes

You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.

Numbers 21:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Therefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, “Waheb in Suphah, and the valleys of the Arnon,

Numbers 13:26 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And they came to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation of the people of Israel in the wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh. They brought back word to them and to all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land.

Leviticus 16:16 ESV / 2 helpful votes

Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.

Leviticus 16:15 ESV / 2 helpful votes

“Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.

Genesis 6:1-22 ESV / 2 helpful votes

When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 1:1 ESV / 2 helpful votes

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Post by Bard on Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:08 am

Maybe two of the extensive list were related to spying. Thanks for trying, though.

Do you have an opinion Nib - beyond questioning the intent of the question?

Does one require a destination when they walk out the door?
Does a question have to have an end purpose?  
Questions are asked when we are naturally without answers and seek better understanding.

Can you mentally put your 'OWN' personal belief or feelings into thought here, for us, related to the question?

Do you feel men of God and or those that profess to be of the Lord - are sanctioned to pry into the private lives of anyone they chose - For whatever reason they deem appropriate?

I realize you enjoy your one liners, and that is fine, but is there more in you than that? Do you have a voice deeper than one liners? I'm certain Scarz does not need someone to pat him on the back or to agree with him when he 'lays it out'. Why don't you take some time to lay out your feelings and soul - like the many others here. You might actually find it - educational.

In defense of you own - silence - I did sit for years before speaking openly. So, do understand, I 'understand' if you can't illuminate us further.





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Post by ScaRZ on Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:48 am

Bard wrote:Just curious if Jesus condoned, spoke about, or discussed spies.

How would he view them?

I don't remember Jesus Christ using anyone to spy or teaching a topic on spying.

We know in scripture that some spies were used by men of God for reasons I believe accomplished God's will. Many times we don't understand the full picture but God uses people to reach certain goals. Getting someone to turn to God is number one on the list I believe.

Here below is a very good read about why I said what I did.

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Joshua 2 - The Salvation of Rahab



A. Spies sent to the city of Jericho.

1. (1a) Joshua sends forth spies.

Now Joshua the son of Nun sent out two men from Acacia Grove to spy secretly, saying, “Go, view the land, especially Jericho.”

a. Remember that all this takes place during the three days Joshua has commanded the nation to wait on the banks of the Jordan (Joshua 1:11). God has a special purpose for these three days.

b. Joshua the son of Nun sent out two men from Acacia Grove to spy secretly: This kind of careful preparation shows faithfulness, not a lack of faith. God’s promises of success to us should never lull us into inaction. They should spur us on to a step out in godly activity.

i. We aren’t told who the two spies are, but Jewish tradition - speculation, really - says they were faithful Caleb and the High Priest Eliezer.

c. To spy secretly: Joshua also shows wisdom by sending them secretly. The last spies that went out publicly turned out badly for Israel, when a majority of the spies came back with a discouraging report (Numbers 13).

d. Go, view the land, especially Jericho: God has greater things in mind for this spy mission; it will fail as a mission of military reconnaissance, but it will succeed in God’s purpose.

2. (1b) The spies at Rahab’s house.

So they went, and came to the house of a harlot named Rahab, and lodged there.

a. Came to the house of a harlot named Rahab: Through the history of Christianity, it has embarrassed some Bible interpreters that these two spies went to the house of a prostitute. Some have tried to say that Rahab was simply an “innkeeper,” but the language is clear enough. She was a harlot.

i. In the second century Origen wrote: “As the first Joshua sent his spies before him and they were received into the harlot’s house, so the second Joshua sent his forerunners, whom the publicans and harlots gladly received”.

ii. It is great when sinners receive Jesus; not those who deny their sinfulness or don’t know what they are capable of apart from Jesus - the gospel is for those who know they are sinners.

b. And lodged there: Why did they go to the harlot’s house? Though it was an awkward place, it must be admitted that it was a perfect place to hide out and remain anonymous, and this was necessary because the city was on strict guard.

i. There isn’t even the hint of immorality with Rahab. Anyone who assumes that there was immoral conduct forces their own bias on the text.

3. (2-7) Rahab hides and protects the spies.

And it was told the king of Jericho, saying, “Behold, men have come here tonight from the children of Israel to search out the country.” So the king of Jericho sent to Rahab, saying, “Bring out the men who have come to you, who have entered your house, for they have come to search out all the country.” Then the woman took the two men and hid them. So she said, “Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they were from. And it happened as the gate was being shut, when it was dark, that the men went out. Where the men went I do not know; pursue them quickly, for you may overtake them.” (But she had brought them up to the roof and hidden them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order on the roof.) Then the men pursued them by the road to the Jordan, to the fords. And as soon as those who pursued them had gone out, they shut the gate.

a. Then the woman took the two men and hid them: In the culture of that day, there was a strong tradition of hospitality. If someone was a guest in your house, you had a strong duty to protect them and care for them. Even considering this, Rahab went much further than the respect of cultural traditions regarding hospitality. She put her own life on the line for these men.

b. Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they were from: The Bible simply reports Rahab’s lie; it does not praise it or excuse it. Perhaps if she had beforehand determined in her heart to not lie in obedience to God, He would have made a way for her to preserve the life of the spies without lying.

c. Rahab’s lie is not justified, but it does show courage. Consider that she was a pagan sinner in a city and culture wholly given over to the worship of false gods and immorality, with no previous contact with the word of God or the things of God. What is your excuse?

B. Salvation for Rahab.

1. (8-14) Rahab’s confession of faith.

Now before they lay down, she came up to them on the roof, and said to the men: “I know that the LORD has given you the land, that the terror of you has fallen on us, and that all the inhabitants of the land are fainthearted because of you. For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were on the other side of the Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed. And as soon as we heard these things, our hearts melted; neither did there remain any more courage in anyone because of you, for the LORD your God, He is God in heaven above and on earth beneath. Now therefore, I beg you, swear to me by the LORD, since I have shown you kindness, that you also will show kindness to my father’s house, and give me a true token, and spare my father, my mother, my brothers, my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death.” So the men answered her, “Our lives for yours, if none of you tell this business of ours. And it shall be, when the LORD has given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with you.”

a. I know that the LORD has given you the land: This surprising outburst of faith shows how God had a plan in bringing Rahab and the spies together. It is the same kind of thing we see when God supernaturally brings us to people who are believers or open to the gospel.

b. Rahab’s declaration He is God in heaven above and on earth beneath is proof of her faith. It is not strong faith and it is not perfect faith, but her faith is commendable nonetheless (Hebrews 11:31 and James 2:25).

i. We may be appalled at the fact that Rahab was a prostitute, or that she was a liar. But the fact is that she was not saved by her works, but by her faith. She knew who God was, she knew who she was, and she trusted God for her very life.

c. That you also will show kindness to my father’s house: Rahab’s desire to see her family saved, and the length she goes to in order to save their lives shows that her love should be noticed, as well as her faith.

d. Swear to me by the LORD: This shows that Rahab longed for assurance by asked for an oath. She wanted to leave her sinful life and culture and come with God’s people.

2. (15-21) The means of Rahab’s salvation: the scarlet cord.

Then she let them down by a rope through the window, for her house was on the city wall; she dwelt on the wall. And she said to them, “Get to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you. Hide there three days, until the pursuers have returned. Afterward you may go your way.” So the men said to her: “We will be blameless of this oath of yours which you have made us swear, unless, when we come into the land, you bind this line of scarlet cord in the window through which you let us down, and unless you bring your father, your mother, your brothers, and all your father’s household to your own home. So it shall be that whoever goes outside the doors of your house into the street, his blood shall be on his own head, and we will be guiltless. And whoever is with you in the house, his blood shall be on our head if a hand is laid on him. And if you tell this business of ours, then we will be free from your oath which you made us swear.” Then she said, “According to your words, so be it.” And she sent them away, and they departed. And she bound the scarlet cord in the window.

a. Bind this scarlet cord in the window: This was the signal to the army of Israel that the people in this home were to be spared. Despite Rahab’s desire, despite her faith, despite the promises of these spies, she would have perished unless she put her trust in a blood red cord cast down from her window. Without the scarlet cord, she could not have been saved.

i. As early as the first century, commentators such as Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, Ireneaus, Origen and more saw this scarlet cord as a symbol of the blood of Jesus.

b. And she bound the scarlet cord in the window: Rahab immediately put her faith into both the identification and safety of the scarlet cord. She also trusted in the ones who made the promise about the scarlet cord (according to your words, so be it).

i. Joshua would be a savior for Rahab, but a judge of the rest of Jericho. In the same way Jesus is a savior for those who trust Him, but a judge for those who reject Him.

c. Rahab’s destiny was to marry one of the princes of Judah and be found in the lineage of King and David and Jesus Himself.

3. (22-24) Mission accomplished.

They departed and went to the mountain, and stayed there three days until the pursuers returned. The pursuers sought them all along the way, but did not find them. So the two men returned, descended from the mountain, and crossed over; and they came to Joshua the son of Nun, and told him all that had befallen them. And they said to Joshua, “Truly the LORD has delivered all the land into our hands, for indeed all the inhabitants of the country are fainthearted because of us.”

a. And told him all that had befallen them: Considering how God will have them conquer the city of Jericho, how did the information from these spies help in the battle for Jericho? Jericho was one of the strongest and most heavily fortified cities of Canaan; if Israel could conquer it, the whole land would be before them - but how did this reconnaissance help them with the eventual battle? It didn’t help them at all!

b. Truly the LORD has delivered all the land into our hands, for indeed all the inhabitants of the country are fainthearted because of us: The reconnaissance mission didn’t help with military strategy, but it did help in encouraging the faith of these spies and the whole nation. This was far more important than a good battle plan.

i. There was another purpose at work in sending the spies: to save Rahab. In this, we see the extent God goes to in bringing one woman and her father’s house to salvation - Someone seemingly “impossible” to save.

ii. You may know some that seem “impossible” to save, but God’s hand is not short to save people like Rahab, and He can work in amazing ways to bring salvation.

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