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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Immaterialism 4

Post by dan on Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:24 am

First topic message reminder :

This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 3 thread.......

The original topic reminder post http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
should be substituted here......

............

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Post by dan on Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:27 pm

Next I’m trying bobk......

News flash....... painterdoug has already contacted Lionel (Nation, YouTube) who is msm connected, about our follow up to the Nimitz story.  

Meanwhile bob has called back.  I’m just fostering a little media competition between bob and lionel to see who can get on the air faster with the Utah connections.  

That’s all.......

Any questions...... you all got my number....... I’m sitting at the phone very patiently.......

(cont.......)
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Post by smelly on Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:22 pm

What Love I have for Hermeneutics!

How I love to experience and connect with the Logos in its original illuminated non-dualistic form.


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Post by dan on Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:18 pm

Lengthy conversations with bob and nunia, mostly about q.

About how we get from point A to point B, more or less expeditiously.  

Clearly, donny doesn’t want to be left in anyone’s dust.


9........

It should be equally clear that donny has to do the heavy lifting.

The rest of us....... we’re just along for the ride.

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Post by @awestruckt on Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:31 pm

Q posts compiled at qmap.pub


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Post by Aaron on Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:23 pm

dan wrote:
About how we get from point A to point B, more or less expeditiously.

Why do you want to get to point B?

What’s point B got that point A doesn’t?

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Post by Aaron on Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:33 pm

Here Dan, try this... maybe a magic carpet can help you get to point B. Wink

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Post by dan on Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:59 am

Aaron,

A v B.........?

No difference in content.  It’s just that you might not have noticed that, yes, B is A, but......  inside out...... same difference?

Portals are exactly to immanentize the Eschaton....... turning the Monad inside out...... no, turning the Monad outside in.

That may also be what qanon is about, although approaching the Eschaton through the back door of pizzagate....... *ss backwards, in other words...... it’s a free world..... we’re free to be as stupid as possible.

God is back in smelly’s garden, smelly is trying to uneat the apple.  It got stuck in his throat.  

My ruminations on the Cosmic chirp from LIGO presented a similar, concave topology.  Can you turn a sphere inside out, without having to make a cut?  Yes, if the cosmic Soul is your fulcrum.  

Talk about a concave Earth....... and the Sun-spot.... etc.....

Any other clever ideas?  I’ll be heading to the Eastern shore.......


12:30.........

The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"

Can we remake the bed without disturbing the patient?  

Sure, if we use the dark web.  

In addition, Corsi has claimed that Trump is very familiar with the cover-up of information concerning UFO’s and Secret Space Programs. It’s therefore very possible that QAnon will be the means by which advanced technologies secretly developed in Unacknowledged Special Access Programs will be disclosed to the world.
We don’t say........

It looks like I’ve got major competition.

Well, we’ll have to see about that, won’t we, sports fans?

....


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Post by Aaron on Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:14 am

Turning the Monad outside in will be one hell of a magick trick.

The walrus and the carpenter are strolling down the beach. They will get their fill before time runs out, it's written in the stars.

Straight on.

Oh wait, no, the carpenter gets swindled.

Damn those slow fat lazy animals stealing all the food...

Yum!

Carpenters and their hammers, I wonder what they are building... I hope it's a magic carpet.



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Post by dan on Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:42 am

"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.

Jipped........?
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Post by Aaron on Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:07 am

Ha

Disney changed it from it's original form.

I wonder why they would do such a thing.

Shrug.

Who knows

I don't

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Post by dan on Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:48 am

Maybe Aquarius has some tricks up her sleeve yet...

This is operation Pied Piper.......
Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
How the music can free her, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll

There is no escaping reason perhaps
There is no escaping love........
Sooner or later, love is gonna get ya
Sooner or later, girl you got to give in
Sooner or later, love is gonna let 'cha
Sooner or later, love is gonna win

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Post by smelly on Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:27 am

It is not what you know.

What you know is limit.

In becoming comfortable with silence and uncertainty, we can walk with beginners mind.

Beginners mind coughs up the apple.

I do not pray to the unknown god.

I do not have a prophecy.

I honor it by living free.

Freedom from views is like a cleaning of the glass, a breath of fresh air. Zen master Shunryu Suzuki calls this open-mindedness “beginner’s mind.”

What could a master be but a child?

When we are free from views, we are willing to learn. What we know for sure in this great turning universe is actually very limited. Seung Sahn, a Korean Zen master, tells us to value this “don’t know mind.” He would ask his students questions such as

“What is love?

What is consciousness?

Where did your life come from?

What is going to happen tomorrow?”

Each time, the students would answer, “I don’t know.” “Good,” Seung Sahn replied. “Keep this ‘don’t know mind.’

It is an open mind, a clear mind.”

In close relationships, if we rely on assumptions, we lose our freshness. Whether as parents or lovers, what we see about those close to us is only a small part of their mystery. In many ways we don’t really know them at all. Through beginner’s mind we learn to see one another mindfully, free from views. Without views, we listen more deeply and see more clearly.

“For there are moments,” says Rilke, “when something new has entered into us, something unknown; our feelings grow mute in shy perplexity, everything in us withdraws, a stillness comes, and the new, which no one knows, stands in the midst of it and is silent.”

That moment is always now.

What is going to happen?

What does what is happening mean?

Don’t know, but I feel it.

Straight on.
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Post by Aaron on Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:38 pm

Instead of transcending everyday life or discovering an everlasting Zen calm that will shield you from life’s ups and downs, Zen is about developing a sense of intimacy and connection with life, including its difficulties and including ourselves and finding beauty in the imperfection and experience of a thing.

Susan Murphy writes in her book Upside Down Zen: “Zen is the practice of agreeing to live with a mind and self as alive and fluid as breathing itself: accepting the offer of each moment, yielding to the passing of each moment.”

Zen practice is ultimately a way of life: “It’s all about living in the here and now. But you can live in the here and now in a very self-centred way, or you can live in the here and now in a very compassionate, unselfish way. True Zen is definitely the latter. Zen is not a philosophy and it’s not an explanation for life — it’s a way of life, and without meditation practice, you’re still living in your head, thinking Zen thoughts.”

Above all, Zen is simple and direct. It invites us to let go of all we know and think we know, about everything, including Zen, to better appreciate this precious life. As the late Shunryu Suzuki, who founded San Francisco Zen Centre in 1962, wrote in Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind, “Zen is not some fancy, special art of living. Our teaching is just to live, always in reality, in its exact sense.”
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Post by Cuan Scott on Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:51 pm

Dan,

Aquarius?

That sounds rather good Smile


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Post by smelly on Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:57 pm

The ancients thought differently than us, a lot of smart dudes and mystics think we used to experience things as they are using active imagination and our world today is just a shell of what it was.

In my study and experieence of the rational and irrational, the literal and psychotic, I see two dragons meeting Zen and Prophecy.

I feel prophecy is a true sincere accounting of the irrational mind to the rational mind, which may be closer to the real.

I experience this.

We make religions of them though in error, science and all religions were birthed from the underworld.

It is the current that runs under all time and being, Psyche is the primary.

We have missed something, that nothing is truly real, but all things are always on and off until observed or tangled with and this is all just a big tangle of particles appearing as the real making time, but only a projection on the screen of Psyche.

So we are all actors fools and frauds.

Now to connect to these psychotic prophet visions, Zen is most effective ironically using open beginners mind. They go wide open. They ignore many of the visions, but note the patterns and let the experience blow through them like wind.

I find this process very interesting and relaxing to let the visions and metaphors rise and fall in Psyche.

I only report it happens and we seem to appear here together but that is not what is only happening.

I have found a great correspondence between Zen beginner mind and the presocratic meditation practice of incubation.

Both bring psychic healing similar to how psychedelics are helpful.

Changing states of mind and going out of your head is required to be a whole human being, you have to find the swing in the dance and dance to find that swing. We just do it, we don’t only learn to do it.

About 500 BCE our minds changed, it is always changing, but something exploded in our heads and is still happening and echoing in our heads metaphorically and literally.

It is good we learned not to take the irrational as literal and now we learn to use irrational states to balance rational ones, but we can exclude neither or we would be suffering psychosis. This was known by the ancients.

The ancient dead are the ones teaching me. It is beyond my understanding.

Jung believed most humans to be insane and I agree.

We have to heal ourselves first.

UFOs are just a new mythic symbol the underworld is using to speak to and know itself.

History and the prophetic are just reflections of reality, they are fulfilled now in spontaneous being, that’s the world Jesus meant to die and be born again into.

Just my opinion, man, and we know how little Dan thinks about that.


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Post by dan on Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:59 pm

Scott,

I don’t know Aquarius. I know Aquarium.
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Post by Aaron on Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:02 pm

I recently beat the video game "portal".

I discovered the cake was a lie.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=the%2bcake%2bis%2ba%2blie&=true

Actually, the real cake is getting out of the testing facility, if a cake can help to motivate the test subjects that's fine.

The cake is a lie, a noble lie.

There is a fire at the end though.



This person figured out how to escape the fire.
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https://youtu.be/Y6ljFaKRTrI
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Ha

Love those ending credits.

Funny song!
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Post by dan on Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:47 pm

The ancients thought differently than us, a lot of smart dudes and mystics think we used to experience things as they are using active imagination and our world today is just a shell of what it was..........
We suffered the breakdown of the bicameral mind.

In the BPWH, that psychotic break is healed.

Wake up, smelly, and smell the coffee.

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Post by Cuan Scott on Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:57 pm

In the Gospel According to Thomas Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move away,' and it will move away."

Dan,

Is this quote referring to the Bicameral mind and the healing you are speaking of? (e.g. BPW)
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If you cannot move Mohammed to the mountain, move the mountain to Mohammed.
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Post by Aaron on Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:27 pm

We do love to play Chess with ourselves!

And button button who's got the button.

Who is more wise, who has it right?

I wonder.

The silent dark is grinning as the backdrop to the stage.

How does darkness grin?

Don't know, I suppose she may be magic...
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Post by Foot Mann on Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:25 pm

A swim in the Lake, an oyster Bake, the council has met and eaten Cake. Lights coming down, or up from the ground, somewhere there is a big round Mound. WCM arrived at the Lake, a dog in his hand, and one more to Take. For the POGJ the time has come, for all in the lab to enjoy a barrel of Rum.

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